My apologies for not knowing the lock washer size. However this is a great alternative. This will keep your take down screw from back out. www.amazon.com/M1-9x3-8-Buna-N-ring-Durometer-Round/dp/B00595MG6M
Anthony Attuso I just sent mine back as well. Bent the shit out of the wrench the shipped it with. Told me on the phone they had a batch go out way too tight.
Yep, the o-ring has solved any issue I might have had. (I put one in before I ever shot the gun.) Now, if I can only figure out to solve the "bumped safety" problem. I hate having to hold my right thumb down with my left thumb.
A lock washer is NOT a good idea! It can scar the frame, and makes the screw too high. Instead, go to the plumbing section of Lowe's or Home Depot and. Get a pack of rubber o-rings (5/16" OD x 3/16" ID x 1/16"). Pop one on and you can remove and replace the screw easily, but it holds fine. I've been using one on each of my Victories for the past year or so.
I wonder if a little teflon tape would work. Thin white tape you put on pipe threads to kept from damaging brass fittings. It's cheap, 99cents for a roll of it. Cheap enough to use every time you take down the gun and you don't have to worry about it falling to the ground and getting lost.
FYI...The O-ring fix. A #61 O-ring is a 9/32" od 5/32" id 1/16" wall. Don't try to find it by the #61 designation because you won't find one (at least I couldn't after visiting several hardware stores and Home Depot). You can find them by the SIZE above at a good hardware store. I picked up several today at Ace Hardware at ,59 cents apiece. Like someone said in the threads, I would hesitate using a lock washer unless it came from Smith and Wesson and they approved it. Don't want to bugger up the screw seat. And I don't want to use blue thread lock or fingernail polish when it is, after all, a assembly/disassembly screw. So I went with the O-ring solution. I took it to the range today and it works great so far! Fired a couple of hundred rounds and the assembly screw was still tight. But, it's your choice. Further, I LOVE my Victory! I've had a lot of .22 pistols, and this is my very favorite, Yes, the assembly screw does get loose after firing a few clips of ammo, but the o-ring fixed that. The only thing I don't like now is the magazine safety. So, I ordered a magazine disconnect replacement along with a Victory trigger, and a Halo charging ring from Tandemkross. Expecting delivery this week.
I just picked up the Victory late last week and went to the range today, I did give it a clean and lube (per the manual) and every other shot would not eject? Maybe every 2 shots. Super frustrating! Was shooting CCI AR 22LR 1200FPS Brought it back to my gun shop and he said it was to dry, I told him I lubed it per manual and he said that is not enough and gave the slide a decent amount of Preppers Choice White Grease. I will take it to the range tomorrow to test it out. The shots that I was able to get to the target was bullseye from 15 yards on a splatter target. Love the trigger and accuracy with just the basic sights (no fiber optic sights on this MA compliant S&W Victory)
For anyone still having this problem a couple layers of teflon tape around the threads on the takedown screw fixes this. 200 rounds through it and the screw did not come loose.
I shot 150 rounds through mine yesterday and found that it had worked it's way out even WITH an added spring washer installed! I also found that mine doe NOT like 'Winchester M22' ammo, did not chamber all the way multiple times, 2 other cheap brands had no problem. Locktite for me from now on. Love the pistol though, too much fun!
The nord-lock washer is a far better option over the split lock washer. Not to many people know about them but they are used heavily in industrial and aerospace. Check em' out, well worth it.
Joe Barry: Thanks to you, I found the Nord Rings on the eBay site. There are two sizes: 5/8" & 3/8". Which one should I buy for the Victory barrel screw. Please respond, Joe. Thanks again.
Called S&W today, they have a fix and are sending me a new screw that has a nylon insert that keeps the screw from backing out. Call S&W customer service.
After almost breaking my wrist I was able back out the screw...I had the same problem at the range but it would back out after only 10-15 rounds...went to my local hardware store and the owner looked at the screw and said the 1st couple threads looked stripped so no wonder it was backing out...looks like I will be on the loctite train! I had suggested the Victory to a friend at my club and he purchased one and S&W recommends cleaning first but both of us could not get the screw out and our local gunsmith could not get it out! My friend called S&W and they told him ship it back but it would take 4-6 weeks to get it back....S&W REALLY needs to address this situation...
I used your suggestion and so far it has worked on the SW Victory. Ran 350 rounds through and take down screw neverloosened. The washer idea works great. SW should pay you for the idea.
That lock washer did not fit into the recess of the gun frame. The washer OD can not exceed the width of the socket head cap screw or known as the head of the takedown screw which is 0.314". We are currently in development of a perminant fix to this problem which will be introduced in a week or so. Thank you. Wayne
Don't have any problems like that with my Ruger 22/45. Some people say it's hard to take apart, but that's only true for the first few times. After that it comes apart easy. Must be a break in period for the disassembly.
You are losing a lot of screw skank length like that. There is a much thinner type of lock washer with very fine, small teeth on it which would be better.
Mine came with a screw with the small red plastic/nylon nub close to the end of the screw that goes in the gun that helps keep it in. Can't find the name but we used a lot of them building pumps. It came out snug (not tight)until the plastic/nylon plug cleared the gun and than it spun on out. Just got it and haven't shot it yet so I'm not sure if it will stay tight after repeated firing.
The black take-down screw did not come out of mine Victory. The entire screw assembly unit -- grey screw that threaded into the barrel and black take-down just loosed up together, and I was able to lift the barrel off. Can't tell if this is good or not and/or S&W made some kind of change to keep the smaller black take-down screw from falling out. Appreciate any insights.
It will be very helpful if you can tell us the size of the lock washer. I have been looking for one for months and cannot find one. I am currently using a rubber o-ring and it seems to working but I think a lock washer would be better.
i bought my victory the month they first went on the market and had the loosening screw issue from day one. S&W said there was nothing wrong with it. Really? why then are so many consumers trying to figure out ways to keep it tight?
One more issue that happened to me is that the screw broke in half. It appears to be a cast screw? It Just snapped off. also I noticed the piece that the screw goes into was loose on mine and in your video it was on yours. S&W has no wrench available to fix that. I made one. They did send me a new screw but I am less than happy but I loved this gun right until this happened.
I would think the split washer will eat into the aluminum frame. I would rather try a rubber O-Ring like you use on 1911 grip screws. That would not cause any damage to the frame.
The problem is if the spanner nut that the screw goes into is loose. I see yours was loose when you cleaned it, needs to be tighter then screw and then you have no problem. Loc tight both in place and it's just as easy as a lock washer...
Nord-Lock Group does not manufacture a washer that will fit the S&W Takedown screw. Our company is close to introducing a simple fix to this common problem and will be introducing it in a week or two. Thank you. Wayne
Go to www.fixvictory.com to purchase the Upgrade Takedown screw combination pack. The Fix: It is a permanent solution to the Takedown screw and Barrel set screw vibrating loose. It is the most inexpensive upgrade for the Smith & Wesson Victory 22LR.
I was looking at this alternative to using the lock tight or the locking washer. my question is when I go to amazon link have everything been selected? or do I need to get the other information? (size, diameter, thickness) just asking...thanks again
Looks like you lost 1 1/2 to 2 threads using the lock washer to me. Looks like the coarseness of the threads should have 1 1/2 times the diameter for length of actual engagement. It looks like the female threads are in a loose piece and could possibly be replaced with a new one with finer threads along with a matching screw.. Oh wait that would entail a recall.
Exactly. This is the easiest thing to do and doesnt cause any issues at all. Once there is loctite on the screw, it will still hold fine after removal and reinstall without applying more. It dries on the threads and holds it my experience. Anyway, its an easy fix to this issue
I purchased a new victory and the takedown screw was so tight I could not remove it.I sent it back and it came back super tight.I cut off some of a handle wrench got it off and then went to the hardware store.I found a washer the right diameter but had to grind the inside of he washer to fit the screw. It now holds tight but also comes out.
Just picked mine up yesterday and wanted to clean and lube it before using... but the takedown bolt was too tight. I twisted the longer 1/8" hex wrench that I had in the tool box, I put a vice grips wrench on the supplied hex wrench but that didn't grip enough and just came off. Took the pistol to my mechanic and his hex wrench bent. He took it next door to the machine shop and their hex wrench twisted. We finally put the pistol in a vise and used an electric heat gun on high for probably... oh... at least three minutes. Maybe five, being careful to shield the plastic parts. Tried it once more and with a mighty push we heard a "crack" and the bolt broke free. After the pistol cooled for about 15 minutes I still needed to go outside and grab a handful of snow to cool down the barrel so we could touch it. We found traces of red on the threads and the barrel where it made contact with the frame. I can't say it was red loctite from the factory but I can assure you it was a red thread locker of some sort. When I reassemble it I will use a socket with a 1/8" hex head on a torque wrench and set it to 40 inch pounds to see if it stays tight. If not, then we try the alternatives. So..... if at first you don't succeed - heat heat heat. Then push!
It's been three weeks since that post. This has been the most accurate pistol I've shot, especially when I put an inexpensive FieldSport red dot on it for my old guy eyes so I am not going to change the barrel or trigger. It functions with everything from hyper velocity to subsonic stuff without a hitch so far but I haven't tried CB or BB caps. To stay away from the dreaded "barrel coming loose on its own" problem that some experience, I just carefully cleaned the male and female threads associated with the barrel screw with alcohol to take all the lube off and it stays tight. Think of your car's wheels... you do not put lube on the lugs and the nuts do not come loose. So clean the threads and don't lube them and you may be happily surprised.
The problem with my Victory was not a loosening takedown screw but a screw that I could not remove! It was over-torqued at the factory (Smith admits this is a problem) and the hex wrench provided does not loosen it. Tried a better allen wrench, heat, etc. and still could not get the screw to budge. A major design flaw in an otherwise fine pistol. Buyer beware!
I just got my victory 2 days ago and I had the same exact issue! I couldn't loosen the takedown screw no matter how much force I was using. I finally had to get out the longest hex wrench I had so I could get a better grip and just went for it and cranked on it until it broke loose. I thought I broke the bolt at first to be honest, but luck was on my side for this one. Smith & Wesson definitely needs to fix this issue ASAP because it's the only flaw with this pistol in my opinion, yet it is a huge issue!!!
My apologies for not knowing the lock washer size. However this is a great alternative. This will keep your take down screw from back out. www.amazon.com/M1-9x3-8-Buna-N-ring-Durometer-Round/dp/B00595MG6M
My apologies for not knowing the lock washer size. However this is a great alternative. This will keep your take down screw from back out. www.amazon.com/M1-9x3-8-Buna-N-ring-Durometer-Round/dp/B00595MG6M
At 1:38, when you start to clean the threads, it looks like the plate with the 3 holes turns when you started. Is this something that can come loose as well?
You are losing thread contact by using the lock washer with the same screw. Are you using a torque wrench to tighten the screw? They are very tight from the factory and should be this way after you reassemble it.
My apologies for not knowing the lock washer size. However this is a great alternative. This will keep your take down screw from back out. www.amazon.com/M1-9x3-8-Buna-N-ring-Durometer-Round/dp/B00595MG6M
Why don't you just torque the screw down to 40 inches like the manual says? They did give you a torque wrench with the gun didn't they and a holster to carry the wrench around in to keep it title for when your shooting?
you are correct. i just spoke with S&W yesterday. i couln't even remove the fuxxing take down screw with Brownells allen wrench. had to send to Mass. to have them remove it. they said "SNUG" . i now use a small "o" ring to keep from getting loose. works. 40" 's is b.s.
I shoot mine a couple hundred rounds before cleaning & one time it wouldn't feed 'cause the screw was loose.Loc tie cured the problem.What's the big deal? The Ruger mk.4 is also a good gun. (Buy the Hunter,it's pretty & shoots great.Got both & I still like my $1,100 S&W 41.)
The replacement screw that S&W will send you has a Nyloc Patch on it. Very hard to put in and hard to remove, still the same 1/8" hex head. I know they sent me two of them. Not a good fix. For the Volquartson of takedown and barrel set screws go to www.fixvictory.com the least expensive upgrade you can do for the SW22 Victory.
The Fix also comes with new barrel set screws with a permanent Nylon patch The barrel will not come loose. The Fix for the S&W Victory 22 Takedown screw is now available at www.fixvictory.com Thank you. Wayne
My apologies for not knowing the lock washer size. However this is a great alternative. This will keep your take down screw from back out. www.amazon.com/M1-9x3-8-Buna-N-ring-Durometer-Round/dp/B00595MG6M
Yes I have ----waiting on S+W to tell me the lugs thread size so I can tighten it down with another nut from the hardware store to get it off the screw
This is a very lousy product for a new intro. C'mon fellas, adding O rings and comoression washers to a new pistol to keep it from loosening up in normal use? Does any one out here consider this acceptable performance ? How dumb do you think we are Smith & Wesson ? BYE, BYE
Poor design from S&W, especially on a 22 pistol that must be kept clean due to the dirty 22 Ammo....give me a Ruger any day of the week.... any model, no tools and never come loose ......
Any gun that needs a utensil to do a field strip is a bad gun in my oppinion. And adding washers and home made fixes to a new gun? S&W should be ashamed of themselves
I call BS on your "lock washer fix"! First off there is no room for a lock washer to seat in the screw channel on this pistol(that can also be seen when you go to tighten it up in your video, then you edit the part out where you take the lock washer off and tighten up the screw) Your rubber ring fix is what you came up with after you realized your "lock washer fix" was bulll. A drop of loc tite is all you need it's not messy and the screw comes right out when you need to clean it.
It is ironic that Ruger has come out with a new (Mk 4) pistol that is easier to take down about the time this Victory model gun was released. This coupled with the silly safety on the S/W double action revolvers that can jam when using hot loads, has really shown that S/W has brain dead managers. So glad I no longer own their products.
At TWICE the price. I don't see how it is worth twice the price. But if you have unlimited funds, go to it. I have 6K rounds through my Victory without a hiccup. It looks almost identical to the Ruger. What does a revolver have to do with the Victory? BTW, the Victory came out seven months ago. Not at the same time as the MK IV. Their new design is kind of admitting that the earlier Mark design sucks, IMO.
My apologies for not knowing the lock washer size. However this is a great alternative. This will keep your take down screw from back out.
www.amazon.com/M1-9x3-8-Buna-N-ring-Durometer-Round/dp/B00595MG6M
Anthony Attuso I just sent mine back as well. Bent the shit out of the wrench the shipped it with. Told me on the phone they had a batch go out way too tight.
Rex0915 no shirt they told me it's put in bye a machine
Yep, the o-ring has solved any issue I might have had. (I put one in before I ever shot the gun.)
Now, if I can only figure out to solve the "bumped safety" problem. I hate having to hold my right thumb down with my left thumb.
I just picked up one of these, the take down screw has been completely re-designed and comes apart very easy & doesn't come loose at all now :)
What year was yours made?
A lock washer is NOT a good idea! It can scar the frame, and makes the screw too high. Instead, go to the plumbing section of Lowe's or Home Depot and. Get a pack of rubber o-rings (5/16" OD x 3/16" ID x 1/16"). Pop one on and you can remove and replace the screw easily, but it holds fine. I've been using one on each of my Victories for the past year or so.
I wonder if a little teflon tape would work. Thin white tape you put on pipe threads to kept from damaging brass fittings. It's cheap, 99cents for a roll of it. Cheap enough to use every time you take down the gun and you don't have to worry about it falling to the ground and getting lost.
FYI...The O-ring fix. A #61 O-ring is a 9/32" od 5/32" id 1/16" wall. Don't try to find it by the #61 designation because you won't find one (at least I couldn't after visiting several hardware stores and Home Depot). You can find them by the SIZE above at a good hardware store. I picked up several today at Ace Hardware at ,59 cents apiece. Like someone said in the threads, I would hesitate using a lock washer unless it came from Smith and Wesson and they approved it. Don't want to bugger up the screw seat. And I don't want to use blue thread lock or fingernail polish when it is, after all, a assembly/disassembly screw. So I went with the O-ring solution. I took it to the range today and it works great so far! Fired a couple of hundred rounds and the assembly screw was still tight. But, it's your choice.
Further, I LOVE my Victory! I've had a lot of .22 pistols, and this is my very favorite, Yes, the assembly screw does get loose after firing a few clips of ammo, but the o-ring fixed that. The only thing I don't like now is the magazine safety. So, I ordered a magazine disconnect replacement along with a Victory trigger, and a Halo charging ring from Tandemkross. Expecting delivery this week.
www.williamsacehardware.com/products/-61-o-ring%7C48470.html
Zen999t
Ordered 20 on Amazon for $7!
I just picked up the Victory late last week and went to the range today, I did give it a clean and lube (per the manual) and every other shot would not eject? Maybe every 2 shots. Super frustrating! Was shooting CCI AR 22LR 1200FPS Brought it back to my gun shop and he said it was to dry, I told him I lubed it per manual and he said that is not enough and gave the slide a decent amount of Preppers Choice White Grease. I will take it to the range tomorrow to test it out. The shots that I was able to get to the target was bullseye from 15 yards on a splatter target. Love the trigger and accuracy with just the basic sights (no fiber optic sights on this MA compliant S&W Victory)
As a new owner of a Victory the washer is a quick easy fix, Thank you
For anyone still having this problem a couple layers of teflon tape around the threads on the takedown screw fixes this. 200 rounds through it and the screw did not come loose.
I shot 150 rounds through mine yesterday and found that it had worked it's
way out even WITH an added spring washer installed! I also found that
mine doe NOT like 'Winchester M22' ammo, did not chamber all the way
multiple times, 2 other cheap brands had no problem.
Locktite for me from now on. Love the pistol though, too much fun!
The nord-lock washer is a far better option over the split lock washer. Not to many people know about them but they are used heavily in industrial and aerospace. Check em' out, well worth it.
Agree, they are the duck's guts. A big no to using a soft washer though.
What size ?
Joe Barry: Thanks to you, I found the Nord Rings on the eBay site. There are two sizes: 5/8" & 3/8". Which one should I buy for the Victory barrel screw. Please respond, Joe. Thanks again.
@@82luft49 - Good grief, between $17 -$20 for one washer.
Called S&W today, they have a fix and are sending me a new screw that has a nylon insert that keeps the screw from backing out. Call S&W customer service.
After almost breaking my wrist I was able back out the screw...I had the same problem at the range but it would back out after only 10-15 rounds...went to my local hardware store and the owner looked at the screw and said the 1st couple threads looked stripped so no wonder it was backing out...looks like I will be on the loctite train! I had suggested the Victory to a friend at my club and he purchased one and S&W recommends cleaning first but both of us could not get the screw out and our local gunsmith could not get it out! My friend called S&W and they told him ship it back but it would take 4-6 weeks to get it back....S&W REALLY needs to address this situation...
I used your suggestion and so far it has worked on the SW Victory. Ran 350 rounds through and take down screw neverloosened. The washer idea works great. SW should pay you for the idea.
That lock washer did not fit into the recess of the gun frame. The washer OD can not exceed the width of the socket head cap screw or known as the head of the takedown screw which is 0.314". We are currently in development of a perminant fix to this problem which will be introduced in a week or so. Thank you. Wayne
Don't have any problems like that with my Ruger 22/45. Some people say it's hard to take apart, but that's only true for the first few times. After that it comes apart easy. Must be a break in period for the disassembly.
Does the trigger has adjustment options? I read trigger pull was 4.x pounds? Nice fix bte
You are losing a lot of screw skank length like that.
There is a much thinner type of lock washer with very fine, small teeth on it which would be better.
Mine came with a screw with the small red plastic/nylon nub close to the end of the screw that goes in the gun that helps keep it in. Can't find the name but we used a lot of them building pumps. It came out snug (not tight)until the plastic/nylon plug cleared the gun and than it spun on out. Just got it and haven't shot it yet so I'm not sure if it will stay tight after repeated firing.
The black take-down screw did not come out of mine Victory. The entire screw assembly unit -- grey screw that threaded into the barrel and black take-down just loosed up together, and I was able to lift the barrel off. Can't tell if this is good or not and/or S&W made some kind of change to keep the smaller black take-down screw from falling out. Appreciate any insights.
It will be very helpful if you can tell us the size of the lock washer. I have been looking for one for months and cannot find one. I am currently using a rubber o-ring and it seems to working but I think a lock washer would be better.
The S&W Victory takedown screw Fix is now available. You can purchase The Fix at www.fixvictory.com
i bought my victory the month they first went on the market and had the loosening screw issue from day one. S&W said there was nothing wrong with it. Really? why then are so many consumers trying to figure out ways to keep it tight?
One more issue that happened to me is that the screw broke in half. It appears to be a cast screw? It Just snapped off. also I noticed the piece that the screw goes into was loose on mine and in your video it was on yours. S&W has no wrench available to fix that. I made one. They did send me a new screw but I am less than happy but I loved this gun right until this happened.
Thanks appreciate it...getting my washer today...!
I used a little lock washer mine stays tight now. Get a few of them in case u loose it. Lock tite isn't as good it's a one time solves it.
A 5/32 wave lock washer works good to.
I would think the split washer will eat into the aluminum frame. I would rather try a rubber O-Ring like you use on 1911 grip screws. That would not cause any damage to the frame.
So what size of washer is that? Don't they make a million different sizes? For anyone who knows, the info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
The problem is if the spanner nut that the screw goes into is loose. I see yours was loose when you cleaned it, needs to be tighter then screw and then you have no problem. Loc tight both in place and it's just as easy as a lock washer...
Nord-Lock Group does not manufacture a washer that will fit the S&W Takedown screw. Our company is close to introducing a simple fix to this common problem and will be introducing it in a week or two. Thank you. Wayne
what is the size of that lock washer?
What about a star washer? One better than the other ?
Go to www.fixvictory.com to purchase the Upgrade Takedown screw combination pack. The Fix: It is a permanent solution to the Takedown screw and Barrel set screw vibrating loose. It is the most inexpensive upgrade for the Smith & Wesson Victory 22LR.
THIS is the THE way to go and the best $12 you'll spend on yer Victory.
Shouldn’t smith&wesson fix it?
I was looking at this alternative to using the lock tight or the locking washer. my question is when I go to amazon link have everything been selected? or do I need to get the other information?
(size, diameter, thickness)
just asking...thanks again
Wonder if they fix it?
What size bit or screw is it
Looks like you lost 1 1/2 to 2 threads using the lock washer to me. Looks like the coarseness of the threads should have 1 1/2 times the diameter for length of actual engagement. It looks like the female threads are in a loose piece and could possibly be replaced with a new one with finer threads along with a matching screw.. Oh wait that would entail a recall.
Lmao seems too many people have issues. One drop of blue locktite solves this. Theres always a new engineer
Exactly. This is the easiest thing to do and doesnt cause any issues at all. Once there is loctite on the screw, it will still hold fine after removal and reinstall without applying more. It dries on the threads and holds it my experience. Anyway, its an easy fix to this issue
I purchased a new victory and the takedown screw was so tight I could not remove it.I sent it back and it came back super tight.I cut off some of a handle wrench got it off and then went to the hardware store.I found a washer the right diameter but had to grind the inside of he washer to fit the screw. It now holds tight but also comes out.
same with mine had to send it back to s&w. they gave me an extra mag n take down screw n allen wrench.
The split washer I am using is 5mm inside and measures just slightly over 8mm on the outside. Don't know if that helps anyone.
Just picked mine up yesterday and wanted to clean and lube it before using... but the takedown bolt was too tight.
I twisted the longer 1/8" hex wrench that I had in the tool box, I put a vice grips wrench on the supplied hex wrench but that didn't grip enough and just came off. Took the pistol to my mechanic and his hex wrench bent. He took it next door to the machine shop and their hex wrench twisted. We finally put the pistol in a vise and used an electric heat gun on high for probably... oh... at least three minutes. Maybe five, being careful to shield the plastic parts.
Tried it once more and with a mighty push we heard a "crack" and the bolt broke free.
After the pistol cooled for about 15 minutes I still needed to go outside and grab a handful of snow to cool down the barrel so we could touch it. We found traces of red on the threads and the barrel where it made contact with the frame. I can't say it was red loctite from the factory but I can assure you it was a red thread locker of some sort. When I reassemble it I will use a socket with a 1/8" hex head on a torque wrench and set it to 40 inch pounds to see if it stays tight. If not, then we try the alternatives.
So..... if at first you don't succeed - heat heat heat. Then push!
It's been three weeks since that post. This has been the most accurate pistol I've shot, especially when I put an inexpensive FieldSport red dot on it for my old guy eyes so I am not going to change the barrel or trigger. It functions with everything from hyper velocity to subsonic stuff without a hitch so far but I haven't tried CB or BB caps. To stay away from the dreaded "barrel coming loose on its own" problem that some experience, I just carefully cleaned the male and female threads associated with the barrel screw with alcohol to take all the lube off and it stays tight.
Think of your car's wheels... you do not put lube on the lugs and the nuts do not come loose.
So clean the threads and don't lube them and you may be happily surprised.
I called s&w today and they do not recommend a lock washer or o ring on the bolt
The problem with my Victory was not a loosening takedown screw but a screw that I could not remove! It was over-torqued at the factory (Smith admits this is a problem) and the hex wrench provided does not loosen it. Tried a better allen wrench, heat, etc. and still could not get the screw to budge. A major design flaw in an otherwise fine pistol. Buyer beware!
I just got my victory 2 days ago and I had the same exact issue! I couldn't loosen the takedown screw no matter how much force I was using. I finally had to get out the longest hex wrench I had so I could get a better grip and just went for it and cranked on it until it broke loose. I thought I broke the bolt at first to be honest, but luck was on my side for this one. Smith & Wesson definitely needs to fix this issue ASAP because it's the only flaw with this pistol in my opinion, yet it is a huge issue!!!
Maybe use a allen key set thats thats not designed for push bikes
S&W has since added a band of blue lock-tite to the screw. Mine has not backed out after 500+ rounds. Just say'n.
you need too keep the barrel air pressure at 15psi and that screw will never back out
What is that Cmore cover ?
It's called scope coat. I got it on eBay for $10
I have the same issue. I have a #10 washer that doesn't fit into the frame. What # washer did you use?
My apologies for not knowing the lock washer size. However this is a great alternative. This will keep your take down screw from back out.
www.amazon.com/M1-9x3-8-Buna-N-ring-Durometer-Round/dp/B00595MG6M
It would be nice to put the size of the lock washer your using to make it easier for others who own this firearm and want to do the same.
My apologies for not knowing the lock washer size. However this is a great alternative. This will keep your take down screw from back out.
www.amazon.com/M1-9x3-8-Buna-N-ring-Durometer-Round/dp/B00595MG6M
I found a lock washer close enough and it's working nice . Thanks.
At 1:38, when you start to clean the threads, it looks like the plate with the 3 holes turns when you started. Is this something that can come loose as well?
I immediately noticed the same thing.
You are losing thread contact by using the lock washer with the same screw. Are you using a torque wrench to tighten the screw? They are very tight from the factory and should be this way after you reassemble it.
How well is that washer working for you? Any loosening issues now?
+Photo Guy 2013 So far its holding up
+The Shooter's Mindset Thanks, what size washer are you using?
+Photo Guy 2013 Ive had mine on since January, hasnt come lose at all.
I just bought one a few days ago. I remove the screw and it had red loctite.
What is the size of lock washer? brought my screw to the hardware store and couldn't find anything that fit right.
My apologies for not knowing the lock washer size. However this is a great alternative. This will keep your take down screw from back out.
www.amazon.com/M1-9x3-8-Buna-N-ring-Durometer-Round/dp/B00595MG6M
A star washer will take less space then lock washer. I am just saying.
If so how did you fix it.
I was just about to ask about the outer and inner diameter of the lockwasher lol
I've got the reverse problem! Try as I might, I can't get the take down screw loosened on my brand-new for Christmas SW22. Any suggestions?
13noman1 just sent mine back to S&W last week for the same thing
use fingernail Polish on the threads. it won't let the screw back out yet it is easy to break loose for cleaning.
has to be pink
Why don't you just torque the screw down to 40 inches like the manual says? They did give you a torque wrench with the gun didn't they and a holster to carry the wrench around in to keep it title for when your shooting?
That's not a "torque"wrench.
their is no torque settings in the manual. none. says snug, wtf.
There's no torque spec in the manual, unless it has been changed. It just says, snug.
you are correct. i just spoke with S&W yesterday. i couln't even remove the fuxxing take down screw with Brownells allen wrench. had to send to Mass. to have them remove it. they said "SNUG" . i now use a small "o" ring to keep from getting loose. works. 40" 's is b.s.
I shoot mine a couple hundred rounds before cleaning & one time it wouldn't feed 'cause the screw was loose.Loc tie cured the problem.What's the big deal? The Ruger mk.4 is also a good gun. (Buy the Hunter,it's pretty & shoots great.Got both & I still like my $1,100 S&W 41.)
The replacement screw that S&W will send you has a Nyloc Patch on it. Very hard to put in and hard to remove, still the same 1/8" hex head. I know they sent me two of them. Not a good fix. For the Volquartson of takedown and barrel set screws go to www.fixvictory.com the least expensive upgrade you can do for the SW22 Victory.
one moment, the address quoted in the video text points to an o-ring, not a swasher .....
The Fix also comes with new barrel set screws with a permanent Nylon patch The barrel will not come loose. The Fix for the S&W Victory 22 Takedown screw is now available at www.fixvictory.com Thank you. Wayne
Thanks for the info.
+MyHollowpoint Thanks for watching
What is the size of the washer?
My apologies for not knowing the lock washer size. However this is a great alternative. This will keep your take down screw from back out.
www.amazon.com/M1-9x3-8-Buna-N-ring-Durometer-Round/dp/B00595MG6M
The Shooter's Mindset v
Pelb21, I just found out. 3/8" Nord washer. Strong metal, tight carbon steel. can take the weight of over 6000 ibs.!!
Tks. Bought one of those 22 victory pistols. A real bitch to loosen screw first time. Gun fine now.
Have any of you had the barrel lug come off the barrel?
Yes I have ----waiting on S+W to tell me the lugs thread size so I can tighten it down with another nut from the hardware store to get it off the screw
your problem is, the mounting point is loose
This is a very lousy product for a new intro. C'mon fellas, adding O rings and comoression washers to a new pistol to keep it from loosening up in normal use? Does any one out here consider this acceptable performance ? How dumb do you think we are Smith & Wesson ? BYE, BYE
They offer a free Nylok replacement screw.
This is a product that has not been totally engineered. See me in 2 years S & W. BAD
Poor design from S&W, especially on a 22 pistol that must be kept clean due to the dirty 22 Ammo....give me a Ruger any day of the week.... any model, no tools and never come loose ......
Any gun that needs a utensil to do a field strip is a bad gun in my oppinion. And adding washers and home made fixes to a new gun? S&W should be ashamed of themselves
I call BS on your "lock washer fix"! First off there is no room for a lock washer to seat in the screw channel on this pistol(that can also be seen when you go to tighten it up in your video, then you edit the part out where you take the lock washer off and tighten up the screw) Your rubber ring fix is what you came up with after you realized your "lock washer fix" was bulll. A drop of loc tite is all you need it's not messy and the screw comes right out when you need to clean it.
Loctite is still better lol
It is ironic that Ruger has come out with a new (Mk 4) pistol that is easier to take down about the time this Victory model gun was released. This coupled with the silly safety on the S/W double action revolvers that can jam when using hot loads, has really shown that S/W has brain dead managers. So glad I no longer own their products.
At TWICE the price. I don't see how it is worth twice the price. But if you have unlimited funds, go to it. I have 6K rounds through my Victory without a hiccup. It looks almost identical to the Ruger.
What does a revolver have to do with the Victory?
BTW, the Victory came out seven months ago. Not at the same time as the MK IV. Their new design is kind of admitting that the earlier Mark design sucks, IMO.
Recoil Spring I wish I would have bought a ruger