I think the additional wrist action you describe here happened yesterday when playing. I felt total freedom in the serve and couldn't stop the wrist movement happening. It works, a great explanation.
@@xyzzyx5209 Continental Grip...Grip as loose as possible. Almost feel the racket is going to fly out of your hand. A tight grip destroys the whipping motion. You'll muscle the ball. Something you don't want to do. Focus on effortless power. That comes from a loose grip. The same applies to your groundstrokes.
Also, I found the looser your grip the less chance of tennis elbow, I am still too tight though, so watching this is a great way of not just remembering that it should be loose but how it should be loose. Another great video Mr 1MT
I tried this and I feel that separation and “thrown-away” feelings on my pinky and/or right side of my hand (not thumb!) - what am I doing wrong? Is everyone else feeling on thumb?
Good video, but your terminology seems a bit strange - e.g. “biceps eccentric contraction” to describe extension of the biceps… that’s relaxation/releasing of the muscle not a contraction. Do you mean something different by that term, or are you just trying to emphasize the released energy of the eccentric movement? (Technically, the eccentric release of the biceps contraction often DOES involve a contraction too - of an antagonist muscle (e.g. triceps), but it doesn’t have to. Also flexion/eccentric motion CAN involve resistive contraction (e.g. flexed arm hang, or lowering a weight slowly)… but that’s not what happens in a throw/serve, so I’m pretty sure that’s not what you mean…)
Same puzzlement with the terms for me. Seems like I would want to let the eccentric contraction of biceps go completely loose to let the weight of the racket fly forward. In any event this is a fantastic video for getting the feel of the released energy.!
Without the racket I just noticed that my thumb has a jerky fast movement when finishing pointing down after pronation if this thumb is separated from the rest of the open hand. A good indication of good violent pronation?
It is not a matter of "violent pronation". It is a matter of employing sufficient Internal Shoulder Rotation *(ISR).* There are two separate movements. Closely related, but independent movements. Forearm pronation and Internal Shoulder Rotation *(ISR).* (1) Stick your right arm out straight ahead in a "Thumbs up" position.👍Thumb pointing straight up. Palm facing left. (2) Now, *rotate your forearm inwards so your thumb points to the left.* That movement is forearm pronation with very little to no *ISR.* Go back to the thumbs up position. 👍 (3) Now, *internally rotate your shoulder so your thumb points to the left.* In both cases, you have achieved the exact same "thumb pointing to the left" position. In the first case, the position was achieved through forearm pronation with little to no ISR. In the second case, the same position was achieved by internally rotating the shoulder. *Important Note:* _When you internally rotate the shoulder, it also causes the forearm to pronate._ On a serve you want to emphasize _internal shoulder rotation_ *ISR* . If you perform ISR correctly, the forearm pronation will also happen. Why? Because it is not possible to internally rotate the shoulder to contact on a serve without also pronating the forearm. *The common rec player error is employing too little ISR and over-relying on forearm pronation.* This is not optimal because the stronger shoulder muscles are not being effectively used by properly employing ISR .
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This is very interesting. Just been watching pro players. And your right.. Great explanation
I think the additional wrist action you describe here happened yesterday when playing. I felt total freedom in the serve and couldn't stop the wrist movement happening. It works, a great explanation.
Awesome video. Totally new to me
I‘m wondering how tight the grip is during the different phases of the serve. I tend to have a tight grip all the time.
That's exactly what I was wondering. Thanks for phrasing it.
@@xyzzyx5209 Continental Grip...Grip as loose as possible. Almost feel the racket is going to fly out of your hand. A tight grip destroys the whipping motion. You'll muscle the ball. Something you don't want to do. Focus on effortless power. That comes from a loose grip. The same applies to your groundstrokes.
Also, I found the looser your grip the less chance of tennis elbow, I am still too tight though, so watching this is a great way of not just remembering that it should be loose but how it should be loose. Another great video Mr 1MT
Question: do you prescribe to the forearm and wrist moving in the same manner on the flat, slice, and topspin serves?
Can you tell where to point the elbow? Should ir point to the side or more in front? If i were using a hammer I'd point it noite to the front I think.
I tried this and I feel that separation and “thrown-away” feelings on my pinky and/or right side of my hand (not thumb!) - what am I doing wrong? Is everyone else feeling on thumb?
Good video, but your terminology seems a bit strange - e.g. “biceps eccentric contraction” to describe extension of the biceps… that’s relaxation/releasing of the muscle not a contraction. Do you mean something different by that term, or are you just trying to emphasize the released energy of the eccentric movement?
(Technically, the eccentric release of the biceps contraction often DOES involve a contraction too - of an antagonist muscle (e.g. triceps), but it doesn’t have to. Also flexion/eccentric motion CAN involve resistive contraction (e.g. flexed arm hang, or lowering a weight slowly)… but that’s not what happens in a throw/serve, so I’m pretty sure that’s not what you mean…)
Same puzzlement with the terms for me. Seems like I would want to let the eccentric contraction of biceps go completely loose to let the weight of the racket fly forward. In any event this is a fantastic video for getting the feel of the released energy.!
Without the racket I just noticed that my thumb has a jerky fast movement when finishing pointing down after pronation if this thumb is separated from the rest of the open hand. A good indication of good violent pronation?
It is not a matter of "violent pronation". It is a matter of employing sufficient Internal Shoulder Rotation *(ISR).*
There are two separate movements. Closely related, but independent movements.
Forearm pronation and Internal Shoulder Rotation *(ISR).*
(1) Stick your right arm out straight ahead in a "Thumbs up" position.👍Thumb pointing straight up. Palm facing left.
(2) Now, *rotate your forearm inwards so your thumb points to the left.* That movement is forearm pronation with very little to no *ISR.*
Go back to the thumbs up position. 👍
(3) Now, *internally rotate your shoulder so your thumb points to the left.*
In both cases, you have achieved the exact same "thumb pointing to the left" position.
In the first case, the position was achieved through forearm pronation with little to no ISR.
In the second case, the same position was achieved by internally rotating the shoulder.
*Important Note:* _When you internally rotate the shoulder, it also causes the forearm to pronate._
On a serve you want to emphasize _internal shoulder rotation_ *ISR* . If you perform ISR correctly, the forearm pronation will also happen. Why? Because it is not possible to internally rotate the shoulder to contact on a serve without also pronating the forearm.
*The common rec player error is employing too little ISR and over-relying on forearm pronation.*
This is not optimal because the stronger shoulder muscles are not being effectively used by properly employing ISR .
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