There is zero direction as soon as you beat the final boss in cruel, just send you to the refuge with a single object of completing 10 tier 1 maps like you are already supposed to know what they are and how to use them.
I think they've taken a stripped back approach to make the game more approachable to new players, but there isn't enough hand holding to help them through what is still a very complex game.
i kinda like the old map system better, but sure the game is better and the bosses are better and everything is better. BUT..... the endgame map system is mostly annoying. You want to find Bosses and +irradiated +corrupt so you can play T16 maps and get monster level 82 and kill bosses. The only way is to get alot of towers and put irradiated and hope they are corrupted and bosses... so like 1 in 20 maps you get all 3 with Monster level 82+boss... still i cant find any T5 items really. not a single T5 bow has dropped and im lvl 90 at the end end game. SOO.. The end game is Step 1: Farm 20 maps and clear towers around a good area with alot of Boss nodes + Corrupted(+1 area level) Step 2: Make all Boss+Corrupt areas IRRADIATED so they are now +2 level + boss maps. Step 3: Make a T15 map Rare with 3suffix and prefixes and SLAM it with Vaal orb to make it T16(around 1 in 5 maps i have slammed so far? more or less) Step 4: play your T16 maps with a Boss+Corrupt+Irradiated for the best chance to get your loot fianlly! (VERY EXPENSIVE AND HARD TO GET ALL THIS, YOU MIGHT GET 3 CHANCES IN AN ENTIRE DAY OF FARMING) Step 5: Die to a 1 shoot and loose your map.... Suggestion. DONT BRICK MAP ON DEATH PLEASE.
Forcing me to play mediumcore honestly stresses me the fuck out so much that I don't even want to play. I hated labyrinth for the exact same reason. I can't play this game when I am under the weather. I can't play this game when I am unconcentrated. I can't play this game when I am tired. So the game is just ... nah. Thanks. And the biggest problem, it ruined PoE1 for me. I can't possibly go back. :/
@@Commandelicious Honestly the biggest problem is loosing your map if you die, i dont care about loosing XP when i die, thats all good but loosing a super good expensive map makes me not want to try.
So I been thinking what will the atlas map look like after 6 months of mapping your going to be spending a half hour scrolling around it just to find were your areas are all du to this map being infinite
Thanks for the view of what's ahead, pretty much confirms my takes from early tier maps. While we wait for relief from Jonathan, happily playing with lateral builds in campaign. Happy Holidays mate.
I'm new to POE. I'm currently level 91, beat the breach boss, trial master, and that's it. You hit the nail right on the head. They throw us into maps with 0 explanations. I've never found a citadel, and I was doing T10+ maps when I found out 1. Citadels existed 2. How to encounter the pinnacle bosses 3. Wtf breach, expedition, map boss, etc was 4. How to get skill points in the league mechanics 5. How to juice maps and more none of this is explained in game. I had to go outside the game and follow many yotuubers who broke everything down. I have time to do that. Most people don't. Half the maps also suck. I think it def needs to be streamlined and explained more, and citadels NEED to be easier to find. I mean you need 3 different ones to challenge the arbiter once.. like I'm done with t15 maps, Have done many t16s and still have no citadel in sight..
I am sure there are alot of underlying PoE2 frustrations for you to deal with, bearing this in mind, I think you did very well to present this video with a smile on your face!😵💫
The joys of an early access game. Although some of the bugs I've run into (Like whole passive skills, end game important ones) simply not working. Would have preferred less end game systems like Delirium and them to all be working!
This game at the moment has no end game. No point of upgrading ur gear. U can do 15+ in almost any gear. U get killed not by mobs, but by 1shots. Also atlas forces u to solo play. Only host recieves the bonuses. Its so stupid. I want to play with friends but its just a time waste in grp
Absolutely, it's impossible to figure out a good farm for the limited time people can actually play. Even now I'm struggling to see how my "low budget" build is actually that considering my play time :(
The time sink has been my biggest issue with the game since I first started PoE 1 back in 2016. I wish they would allow for a "casual" league so I didn't have to choose between my job and the game. I love both games but the time requirement is just not reasonable unless you are spending all of your free time on them. The atlas does look nice visually but the poe 1 version was a lot clearer and easier to navigate. The best of both worlds really would be, as mentioned in the video, to have set maps and simply place waystones in and play whichever map you want.
same here. I want to enjoy this game but it has done everything to do the exact opposite. I have about given up . The lack of end game activities makes me regret starting to play. I do hope there is more exploration and variety. That is seriously lacking . They touted this game as a long term game, but if there is nothing to do except run the same maps with broken mobs and horrible corridors, than I am going to invest my time elsewhere.
@@neofelisherod2947 Maybe it's because it's not even a complete game yet? There are swaths of the game that make no sense because some mechanics have not been implemented yet.
y i have the same feeling. game looks good, fighting mechs were good in campain. but then you are forced to get a broken build so you can rush through maps and press 3 keys, you skip all boss mechanics. if you do boss mechanics, you get one hitted and lose exp and the map. the atlas is very bad designed, as you describe it. late game is very bad in this game. campain is OK, especially first act when ppl dont have broken bullshit, it was fun. there is no point late gaming this game. campain is therefore to short. in late game, there are almost no cool bosses ec. no epic fights. they cant be epic because you cant learn boss mechanics because you get one hitted and die ec. there is no point playing this game beyond 150 hours, which is good because you can use your time better than playing poe.
The game is nowhere near done lol .. people are so dumb .. Atlas system is great and will get even better with more content… only thing they need to change is ascendancy trials .. that stuff is cancer
I really like that they have tried to make the campaign to end game tranisition more.. coherent. It's just the amoun of dead space and finding specific things (E.g. Citadels) that need some major improvement going forward. The towers are a neat idea but a) their map sucks b) it means you are constantly having to path to the next place to juice. It definitely needs someway to highlight or search the maps in a way
Something less, click and draggy... for sure... Not sure about others, but my PC is just putting big ol' grey squares over large chunks of the map for some time now.. Any potato enjoyers are probably having a sad time with the interface :(
@@FswithFarham Yeah, sometimes I have to open and close the map as it just renders in only the tile I first have loaded which is a bit of a pain as my map grows, still EA though so I don't mind some performance/bugs like this honestly. It's more the systems I that concern me that are core to the gameplay
I think no one is really enjoying this endgame. It needs a complete overhaul, we won't eb seeing a release in 2025, I'm 100% sure of it and if we do well it won't be a great game.
I feel like this is what is going to make PoE2 “free-to-play”. Those games are outright known to be purposefully made to NOT respect the players time I would GLADLY pay a premium for the game just to avoid ALL the inevitable pitfalls this game has and will have because they chose “free-to-play” GREED HAS RUINED MY FAVORITE GAMING GENRE 😢
Are you assuming that they will have pay to win mechanics just because they will eventually be "free-to-play?" Or are you not aware that poe 1 is also free to play and basically runs on the same principle? Poe 2 has a lot of work to be done for sure, but it is still in early access. A lot of good mechanics in later leagues have not been properly implemented yet.
After the 6 month EA, the majority of players will be pretty burned out. And when the game launches, only the hardcore dudes will be there to ruin the currency for the mass of 1st time playing casuals. GGG fumbled it.
There is nothing in this game that is better than it is in poe1. The main idea when making this game was to make everything annoying as much as possible and make people suffer while playing
Heres the simple question. Is this a game for everyone? I work have kids i dont have time for this kind of bullshit timegate. Simply not worth it. Let thia game be for his auudience. Young unployment boy who lives with his mom.
![[PoE2] Endgame like a Pro! How I sustain waystones in Path of Exile 2](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/R1Hjp1yV31Q/mqdefault.jpg)
There is zero direction as soon as you beat the final boss in cruel, just send you to the refuge with a single object of completing 10 tier 1 maps like you are already supposed to know what they are and how to use them.
I think getting your own basic hideout and a conversation with Alva could help that.
Wait…. That was pretty much how this entire game worked though 😅
I think they've taken a stripped back approach to make the game more approachable to new players, but there isn't enough hand holding to help them through what is still a very complex game.
@@FswithFarham i agree but should be able to fix everything, its still early access and alot of bosses and stuff are amazing.
Lol yah that's PoE for u. They expect u to be psychic.
i kinda like the old map system better, but sure the game is better and the bosses are better and everything is better. BUT..... the endgame map system is mostly annoying. You want to find Bosses and +irradiated +corrupt so you can play T16 maps and get monster level 82 and kill bosses. The only way is to get alot of towers and put irradiated and hope they are corrupted and bosses... so like 1 in 20 maps you get all 3 with Monster level 82+boss... still i cant find any T5 items really. not a single T5 bow has dropped and im lvl 90 at the end end game.
SOO.. The end game is
Step 1: Farm 20 maps and clear towers around a good area with alot of Boss nodes + Corrupted(+1 area level)
Step 2: Make all Boss+Corrupt areas IRRADIATED so they are now +2 level + boss maps.
Step 3: Make a T15 map Rare with 3suffix and prefixes and SLAM it with Vaal orb to make it T16(around 1 in 5 maps i have slammed so far? more or less)
Step 4: play your T16 maps with a Boss+Corrupt+Irradiated for the best chance to get your loot fianlly! (VERY EXPENSIVE AND HARD TO GET ALL THIS, YOU MIGHT GET 3 CHANCES IN AN ENTIRE DAY OF FARMING)
Step 5: Die to a 1 shoot and loose your map....
Suggestion. DONT BRICK MAP ON DEATH PLEASE.
Forcing me to play mediumcore honestly stresses me the fuck out so much that I don't even want to play.
I hated labyrinth for the exact same reason.
I can't play this game when I am under the weather.
I can't play this game when I am unconcentrated.
I can't play this game when I am tired.
So the game is just ... nah. Thanks. And the biggest problem, it ruined PoE1 for me. I can't possibly go back. :/
@@Commandelicious hopefully they will fix all if not most of these problems in 6 months
@@Commandelicious Honestly the biggest problem is loosing your map if you die, i dont care about loosing XP when i die, thats all good but loosing a super good expensive map makes me not want to try.
So I been thinking what will the atlas map look like after 6 months of mapping your going to be spending a half hour scrolling around it just to find were your areas are all du to this map being infinite
Thanks for the view of what's ahead, pretty much confirms my takes from early tier maps. While we wait for relief from Jonathan, happily playing with lateral builds in campaign. Happy Holidays mate.
anyone got an idea how to find the canal hideout? i know it's random but maybe there's a visual hint around it?
I can't even find where it was on my map now, was looking for the icon...
I'm new to POE. I'm currently level 91, beat the breach boss, trial master, and that's it. You hit the nail right on the head.
They throw us into maps with 0 explanations. I've never found a citadel, and I was doing T10+ maps when I found out
1. Citadels existed
2. How to encounter the pinnacle bosses
3. Wtf breach, expedition, map boss, etc was
4. How to get skill points in the league mechanics
5. How to juice maps
and more
none of this is explained in game. I had to go outside the game and follow many yotuubers who broke everything down. I have time to do that. Most people don't. Half the maps also suck. I think it def needs to be streamlined and explained more, and citadels NEED to be easier to find. I mean you need 3 different ones to challenge the arbiter once.. like I'm done with t15 maps, Have done many t16s and still have no citadel in sight..
I am sure there are alot of underlying PoE2 frustrations for you to deal with, bearing this in mind, I think you did very well to present this video with a smile on your face!😵💫
The joys of an early access game. Although some of the bugs I've run into (Like whole passive skills, end game important ones) simply not working.
Would have preferred less end game systems like Delirium and them to all be working!
spot on mate
This game at the moment has no end game. No point of upgrading ur gear. U can do 15+ in almost any gear. U get killed not by mobs, but by 1shots. Also atlas forces u to solo play. Only host recieves the bonuses. Its so stupid. I want to play with friends but its just a time waste in grp
No, that is entirely build dependant.
That said, the endgame feels like work, not like a game I like to play. I just quit :/
I feel like this game is not respecting the time of the player. It assumes we are hardcore gamers that have 12+ hours a day.....
Absolutely, it's impossible to figure out a good farm for the limited time people can actually play.
Even now I'm struggling to see how my "low budget" build is actually that considering my play time :(
The time sink has been my biggest issue with the game since I first started PoE 1 back in 2016. I wish they would allow for a "casual" league so I didn't have to choose between my job and the game. I love both games but the time requirement is just not reasonable unless you are spending all of your free time on them. The atlas does look nice visually but the poe 1 version was a lot clearer and easier to navigate. The best of both worlds really would be, as mentioned in the video, to have set maps and simply place waystones in and play whichever map you want.
@@FenrirNox i wish i could have 2 different game to play, unfortunatly, poe 2 will just become poe 1...2. Your time is saved.
In what World a Game has to respect your time? Maybe you Go and choose a Game you have enough time for and stop crying.
@@mymox4679not everyone is a lazy pos who lives with his mommy like you. Some people actually have to work.
Problem are the bad map layout and honestly running maps nets you very little currency even when juicing. All the money is in everything but maps
Yes….. yes it does suck. I legit can’t see any “normal” person getting to lvl 100
I got to maps and it sucked ALL of the fun out of the game for me 😢
same here. I want to enjoy this game but it has done everything to do the exact opposite. I have about given up . The lack of end game activities makes me regret starting to play. I do hope there is more exploration and variety. That is seriously lacking . They touted this game as a long term game, but if there is nothing to do except run the same maps with broken mobs and horrible corridors, than I am going to invest my time elsewhere.
@@neofelisherod2947 Maybe it's because it's not even a complete game yet? There are swaths of the game that make no sense because some mechanics have not been implemented yet.
y i have the same feeling. game looks good, fighting mechs were good in campain. but then you are forced to get a broken build so you can rush through maps and press 3 keys, you skip all boss mechanics. if you do boss mechanics, you get one hitted and lose exp and the map. the atlas is very bad designed, as you describe it. late game is very bad in this game. campain is OK, especially first act when ppl dont have broken bullshit, it was fun. there is no point late gaming this game. campain is therefore to short. in late game, there are almost no cool bosses ec. no epic fights. they cant be epic because you cant learn boss mechanics because you get one hitted and die ec. there is no point playing this game beyond 150 hours, which is good because you can use your time better than playing poe.
The game is nowhere near done lol .. people are so dumb .. Atlas system is great and will get even better with more content… only thing they need to change is ascendancy trials .. that stuff is cancer
Sweeping generic monsters and mostly no bosses just rare monsters in maps as endgame is boring ngl.
Great campaign but bland endgame.
yes agree
I really like that they have tried to make the campaign to end game tranisition more.. coherent. It's just the amoun of dead space and finding specific things (E.g. Citadels) that need some major improvement going forward. The towers are a neat idea but a) their map sucks b) it means you are constantly having to path to the next place to juice. It definitely needs someway to highlight or search the maps in a way
Something less, click and draggy... for sure...
Not sure about others, but my PC is just putting big ol' grey squares over large chunks of the map for some time now.. Any potato enjoyers are probably having a sad time with the interface :(
@@FswithFarham Yeah, sometimes I have to open and close the map as it just renders in only the tile I first have loaded which is a bit of a pain as my map grows, still EA though so I don't mind some performance/bugs like this honestly. It's more the systems I that concern me that are core to the gameplay
I think no one is really enjoying this endgame. It needs a complete overhaul, we won't eb seeing a release in 2025, I'm 100% sure of it and if we do well it won't be a great game.
Just finding doing the content I want to do a pain to find, which is weird, there is a limited amount of content!
i dont enojy the end-game, because its poe 1 all over again.
I feel like this is what is going to make PoE2 “free-to-play”. Those games are outright known to be purposefully made to NOT respect the players time
I would GLADLY pay a premium for the game just to avoid ALL the inevitable pitfalls this game has and will have because they chose “free-to-play”
GREED HAS RUINED MY FAVORITE GAMING GENRE 😢
Are you assuming that they will have pay to win mechanics just because they will eventually be "free-to-play?" Or are you not aware that poe 1 is also free to play and basically runs on the same principle?
Poe 2 has a lot of work to be done for sure, but it is still in early access. A lot of good mechanics in later leagues have not been properly implemented yet.
TLDR: Poe 2 endgame sucks!
casue its all poe 1 end-game mechanics.
After the 6 month EA, the majority of players will be pretty burned out.
And when the game launches, only the hardcore dudes will be there to ruin the currency for the mass of 1st time playing casuals.
GGG fumbled it.
The market didn't take long to get the point of 12+ hour farm for an upgrade.
Although, possible I'm farming wrong.
Lmao .. The Atlas is the best part of the game
Oof, a scathing review of the rest of the game! XD
There is nothing in this game that is better than it is in poe1. The main idea when making this game was to make everything annoying as much as possible and make people suffer while playing
lol
Heres the simple question. Is this a game for everyone? I work have kids i dont have time for this kind of bullshit timegate. Simply not worth it. Let thia game be for his auudience. Young unployment boy who lives with his mom.
I'm glad you think I look young, honest to god, I needed this today.
xoxo