Mr. Rucker: if you don't know Shopdogsam, he's on RUclips and has HUNDREDS of that type of engine. If you need parts, expertise, etc., I would talk to him.
Shopdogsam. After working on Hit and Miss type engines for a lifetime. Hands down the number one old school engine ICON on RUclips. Anyone that buys some ones collection of100 engines that had been sitting outside for decades, brings them home, takes them apart so that no two pieces are left together and every part is worked with a file puts it back together and they run just factory fresh. That is the man you want to learn from.
Ajax engines like this were capable of running with rings so loose that you could see light when looking in the crankcase when the plug was removed. They are remarkable for the ability to help children sleep.
I would like to think I might be the inspiration for the ice cream trailer. If you still have my card give me a call and I will be happy to help you with the engines. I have three of the FMZ engines. I will shoot you an email.
I remember pulling a brand new engine out of the old F-M plant in Beloit, WI a few years ago. I’ll never forget the multitude of employees outside watching while beaming with pride.
Rookie error. When starting any stationary engine you must keep your thumb on top of the handle, not around it else if you get a kick back you could lose your thumb. Even the spring loading handles like yours can jam.
Some oil wells here in Texas still use these engines to power the pumps. Fairbanks Morris has been a house hold word in the oil business for almost 100 years. thanks for sharing.
Why don’t you talk to Tubalcain. He has restored several of them and he really enjoys the engines and I think you guys would enjoy each other he is also you tuber as well. Just an idea
Here is a tip on starting the larger hit&miss style engines: hold the intake valve down untill you get some speed up on the flywheels, then release it and the engine starts. The faster cranking speed also makes the magneto have a hotter spark, thus helping the firing up of the engine. The radiator on the FMZ is actually a condenser. As the engine gets hot, the water steams and goes up in to the condenser where the cool air changes the steam to water and it falls back down in the water hopper. A lot of these late engines had fans to speed up the process. After Fairbanks quit making these engines, a company called Arrow machinery made them for a long time.
Arrow still makes heavy engines for oilfield service - they also they use them as prime movers for AC - there also used to generate voltage on pipe lines instead of using anodes so they don't eat out - Those Z engines and arrow engines run about 5 yrs between ring and bearing change out if there running above 500 RPMs - many z engines are still on jack pumps today or small bore wells - The cooling we called thermal siphon - they have large cast iron radiators and used oil for cooling instead of water
Love those old engines. I am currently refurbishing a 1-1/2hp Hercules hit & miss engine. Rudy Calin at www.rebuiltmags.com can help you out with the mag on your 3hp engine.
I had a 4hp Cushman once.. Used a coil and battery.. Coil much like a Model T coil....Magnetos are simple as dirt to work on.. I wish I knew how many I have repaired in the last probably fifty years... I think I still have a magneto lurking around in the shop for one of those old engines ..Cheers from Louisiana...Mike
You had me at “Ice Cream” :) It’s so lovely that you take care of preserving and restoring these items! How wonderful to have a line shaft in the shop - even if steam is a few steps too far (for now...) I would really like to watch you design and put in the line shaft!
Cool stuff! I just wanted to let you know that there is in face a big difference between Hit n Miss engines and Throttle governed engines. People commonly confuse them and refer to throttle governed engines as hit miss engines but they are not. Throttle governed engines hit every time. Your may miss occasionally when its not under a load but it is not a hit miss engine. True hit miss engines have no throttle shaft in the carburetor and use a flyweight governor and a series of levers to hold open the exhaust valve when they get up to speed. This kills compression, spark, and no fuel is sucked in and they coast until they slow down enough where the governor weights come back in and it releases the exhaust pushrod and fires again. It's basically a very early way of governing the speed. Throttle governed engines, like most modern engines today, use a throttle shaft in the carburetor and a governor to regulate the speed of the engine. The reason your seems to miss is probably due to the governor being a bit slugish to react, but I bet if you put it under a load it with smooth right out. Again I'm not attacking you or anything, I just wanted to let you know that there is a difference between them. :) Either way they are very cool engines!
keith i have watched a lot of your videos but i am a person that does not say to much or comment to often but my uncle has restored a lot of the hit and miss engines he might be able to help you out
I have a very similar Fairbanks Morse “Z” 3 hp. The belly tank is typically for a cheaper fuel after its warmed up. (Kerosene, coal oil) It is a suction system, no pump. The small tank on the carburetor is for warm up fuel (gasoline). You can also hold down the intake to make them easier to get cranked up. Neat engines!!! 👍🏻👍🏻
The old engines were indeed fascinating. I had one for a while. Brother-in-law wondered if it was getting fire, so he told me to crank it. When he stoppec yelping he said yes. When used go to Oil Creek State Park which had an excellent presentation the early petroleum. I ncluded was Drake's Well, the first production oil well in the US.
9:19 sure looks like that spark plug is loose and moving around. Fairbanks Morse built some monster engines as well, all slow reving long lasting stuff.
Zc118 and 208 engines were usef all over this county on pumpjacks.had one on the family farm from 1963 till the 90's. Also used Witte and Ajax engines. The ajax was on a farm 1/8 mile away with a 6 inch x10 foot exhaust pipe. Loved to hear that beast bark at night. Back then i could ride my bike back the service roads and watch the engines run. This was mid to late 70's rural central Ohio.
Where I grew up I was told that they didn’t run electricity there until the late ‘50s. Right where we put our trailer, there was an old house, built right around 1900, and people lived in it in the 1960s, and it never had power. We ran power up there in 1974.
Great stuff, Keith. My obsession with old 'n' slow singles went in the direction of the Lister diesel from England. They were ubiquitous throughout the Commonwealth, and are still manufactured new in India to this day. I'd love to acquire a Witte diesel at some point, which seems to be as close to an American-made equivalent of the Lister as possible.
Hold the intake valve in while cranking. When you have made a couple of revolutions let the valve go. The hole in top of the air cleaner was for squirting gasoline in to get it started and keep it running until you got the casing head gas and the air damper adjusted. That is a gasoline carburetor that has a vacuum fuel pump in it. If you did not have a good casing gas supply from the well casing they would run the engines on drip gas. Drip gas was the condensate usually collected by running the natural gas going to the flare by simply running it thru a 55-gallon barrel so the heavier parts of the gas would condensate from the lighter gases. Drip gas would then be used for many purposes. During WWII when gasoline was rationed people would use drip in their automobiles. It was so dry, basically naptha, that you had to mix a little oil in with it to lubricate your upper cylinders. Drip had a very distinctive smell. The revenuers were always trying to catch drip gas sales or users as there was not road tax being collected on it. Wish you would have set the governor speed control spring down to the lowest idle speed and the sound of and the governor action would have been very special as it would get to do the on and off throttle that made the sound we used to hear in oil field country. That was caused by the well pumper just being too lazy to adjust the counterbalance weight so the weight of the lift pump downhole and the column of oil being lifted was equal. That rare 18" pulley would be great for mounting it on an old garden tractor and having a unique ride to pull a butt-buggy around events. A small diameter pulley would be great for the lower speed needed for a line shaft. Driving a line shaft to power your planer would really be old school as much as steam. Steam was great but it required a lot of time and gas engines just required giving them a crank. The 118ZC was splash oiled and the radiator where vapors rose up and were condensed back to liquid by the fan air being pushed thru the radiator meant you did not have to keep adding water all day.
I am really impressed with how smooth that old engine runs. Those old engines were very simple and ran forever. Something that can't be said for today's engines except for the extremely large engines.
Funny how things happen... I was looking for a chunk of cast to complete a shaper restoration and stumbled across another shaper in the scrapyard. Now I have 2 restored shapers.
Enjoyed this video. It reminded me of a late friend who had a Bean Sprayer engine similar to the open water jacket engine you have. His engine came from his parents farm. He rebuilt the engine, then extend the frame of a WheelHorse lawn tractor that he had and mounted the engine of that tractor to power it. To ease starting he added a switch to change the spark advance. Occasionally he would throw this switch while the engine was running and it would throw a foot long flame out the muffler. He suffered from MS so used this tractor to get around Edwardsville, IL. He also fabricated chains for the drive wheels and pulled his daughter on a saucer sled through the snow.
Keith, just a little FYI, when opening a LP gas tank, when you open the valve, you need to open it all the way, the valve is back seated, and if you don't gas will escape out around the stem.
Thanks for the video! Great to see you enjoying your new acquisitions. People are commenting about the starter crank. I was wondering about what would happen when you grabbed the rotating clutch handle. Must have been a little exciting.
Used to collect these engines myself until health issues got in the way. Fairbanks are very solid and reliable and parts are everywhere on eBay ect. Small engine mechanic and Shopdog Sam are good recommendations. Someone said something about not having your thumb around the crank, very good advice! If it kicks back when starting you will have at least a broken thumb. We used to hold the intake valves to spin them up, it lessens the chance of kickback. If it's at the wrong position on a kickback they can break your arm! Other thing I noticed, you didn't crank it too fast (the Z) but you always want a plug wire connected to something else with a magneto. If a mag produces spark and isn't connected to something the spark can spike and ruin the mag. Never do that on an impulse mag (like on the 118) because they wind up to give full spark at low RPM's for easier starting (that's the clicking you hear when cranking it). Nice engines, I agree, not steam, but still very neat.
Your tip about not causing the mag to spark when the plug wire is not connected is huge. That mistake would cause the “average” owner to have to buy a new $500.00(?) mag!
i want one.. a small one to run a small pumping unit in the yard. 3 hp???? i got 3 HP briggs motor... it isnt 1/10th that size??? the flywheels must provide LOTS OF OFF IDLE TORQUE
when i was a kid up in the ventura county mountains.. the hit and miss engine had a failure and ran away.. going crazy fast. it ran our water well .. so mom took the head off and it became my play toy from age 3 to 9.. i have never seen another like it as it had intake and exhaust valves in the block as i could watch the piston move and the intake and exhaust valves open and close with the head off.. the other play toy on my carpet was a model twenty cat and a cat pull behind road grader .. it was the former county road grader.. with Pnumatic tires and spoked wheels. a family down the road has the road grader in their front yard as a decoration with a fence around it.. the twenty has been sitting with a bush growing around it since 1965.. baking in the hot sun and freezing nights for the past 55 years.. seized engine.. seized throw out bearing. missing parts that somebody took off it.
There is no fuel pump on your 3hp Z. There is a check ball in the tank, however. A magneto rebuild (or new rebuilt one) is about half the value of the whole engine, ~$200-300, whereas the machine is worth about $600-700. You're not gonna screw it up restoring the engine, even if you work on it yourself, you've got more than enough restoration experience, they're not that complicated. They are very forgiving as well in terms of timing as long as you're in the ballpark it should run. Biggest issues currently plaguing mine -- magneto internal component physical wear and intake valve sticking on a different one. Check valve likes to stick too, definitely clean the tank.
I enjoyed your video with the fairbanks running . I have a 1930 s international harvester 2 1/2 300 to 600 rpm just learning a little about it . It runs but quits after 30seconds . Anyway im a new subscriber will keep watching
Hello Mr Rucker, I have a FM engine, 1 1/2 horse, dishpan flywheels. It doesn't seem to have a gas needle valve. The gas is sucked from the tank directly into the carburetor. Can you tell me how to regulate the gas flow ? It floods out now.
I looked him up thanks to your comment. Thank you so much. Hes been making you tube videos for ten years and looks like Gandalf. Hes so awesome, god bless him
One of my classmates in grad school grew up in rural Nebraska. He was born about 1965. He insisted that the water pump motor ran continuously for the entire 18 years he lived at home. I grew up in Michigan, in a city with a big GM factory, and could not imagine how an engine could do that. But these engines are NOT automobile engines. Both are varieties of internal combustion engines, but that is like saying an whale and a mouse are both mammals.
What to do with the engine - plans to run the planer....... Well, if it's the only engine you've got, I'd suggest you instal line shafts to all the machines so you can run any ONE machine with it ! For example, if you have 12 machines - say 3 machines per line shaft, have a pulley clutch to each line shaft, so you can select which line shaft to run then same pulley clutches to feed the individual machines. Maybe it'd run several shafts and several machines for demonstration purposes but if you planned to actually use a machine, I guess you'd need to be able to isolate all the machines you're not using so all the available power is just going to the one machine. I think that would be a great feature (of the museum).
I sent my American Bosch AB-33 mag to rebuiltmags.com. It was completely dead with a burned armature and bad condenser. It works great now. Mine is on a hoist. See it at: ruclips.net/video/bFjLS5duynw/видео.html 6 mins in. Just a tip. Do not hold the intake valve open to stop the motor. It will backfire thru the carb and blow out the intake plate on the carb. It can also remove the carb from the head. Fair warning.
My dad just got done putting a 2 hp Z engine back together. It was my great grandfathers. We are looking for a spark plug for it, and looking for someone that works on magnetos..
There are few things neater than a shop run off of a line shaft. I've seen awesome ones in Albany MN and Rollag MN. It's something few have seen and most people are in awe when you explain it to them.
I would say about 1/4 or maybe 1/3 of the oil wells up here in Southern Illinois are still ran with these types of engines, most (that I know of) are run on propane. Neat little engines to listen too while you're waiting on a deer to come by deer hunting!!
That’s not a radiator, it’s a condenser. Notice there is no filler cap on top of it. Also, these throttle governed engines will run a nice smooth constant speed without load, once you have the gas pressure dialed in on that zc118. As far as the 3hp z, it too will run constant speed fast or slow, again once everything is correct.
Arrowengine.com still makes a similar engine for the oil fields. Their Type C engine looks like your FM oilfield engine. There is a guy who post videos of oil wells in Kansas. Most have switched to electric motors but there are still a few running hit and miss engines off of well gas. I love that set up, instead of burning it off as a flare you get free energy. If the power grid and the internet goes down those old wells will still keep pumping.
Those engin3s remind me of the ones seen for sale along rural highways in India. They propel anything that needs motive power, and some of the strangest looking homebrew vehicles I've ever seen.
If the tank is good next check the foot valve on the end of the gas tube that go to the carb hook a wire and check for spark then it should run once you have spark a little gas in carb boil and your running. There’s gas engine magazine the has much info . I have had gas engine since the 1960 and now and steam traction engine . Thats the only reason I took machine classes back when line shafts were the way to keep my old iron running
Would it not be feasible to power a standby generator with one? For those living in tornado or hurricane country they might be great given their simplicity and reliability.
They still run them here in Oklahoma in rural areas .We always called them Acme engines in the oilfield i got to work on a few ours are actually gas pressure started from well head pressure . They run for years unattended .
If you need any parts I go to flywheel supply they got about everything you will need if you can't make it they got it and alot if the time it's cheaper for me to buy the parts the for me to make them
I was in Texas a couple weeks ago attending the Canton Trade Days event. There is an ice cream shop on the Trade Days ground that makes their ice cream there with an engine just like that and it was driving two of those ice cream makers just like the ones you picked up.
My grandparents had one of those the lighter green one but much bigger to pump water up to the 3 story tank house, it ran on natural gas from there oil well.
That is not a radiator. If you look there is no place to add water at the top. It is a condenser so that you would not need to add water. I always enjoy your videos. Thanks for posting your videos
Keith we used to have them for pumping farm water and the old ronaldson tippets used to rust out the water jackets not as bad as it sounds but something to look at
Mr. Rucker: if you don't know Shopdogsam, he's on RUclips and has HUNDREDS of that type of engine. If you need parts, expertise, etc., I would talk to him.
Shopdogsam. After working on Hit and Miss type engines for a lifetime. Hands down the number one old school engine ICON on RUclips. Anyone that buys some ones collection of100 engines that had been sitting outside for decades, brings them home, takes them apart so that no two pieces are left together and every part is worked with a file puts it back together and they run just factory fresh. That is the man you want to learn from.
Ajax engines like this were capable of running with rings so loose that you could see light when looking in the crankcase when the plug was removed. They are remarkable for the ability to help children sleep.
I would like to think I might be the inspiration for the ice cream trailer. If you still have my card give me a call and I will be happy to help you with the engines. I have three of the FMZ engines. I will shoot you an email.
Yours is one that I have made some mental notes about every time I have seen it for sure!
I remember pulling a brand new engine out of the old F-M plant in Beloit, WI a few years ago. I’ll never forget the multitude of employees outside watching while beaming with pride.
Rookie error. When starting any stationary engine you must keep your thumb on top of the handle, not around it else if you get a kick back you could lose your thumb. Even the spring loading handles like yours can jam.
I thought the same thing.
@@etheroar6312 Same thing used to happen with old cars, injury was known as a "chauffeur's fracture"
These had a impulse magneto which at low speed fired after top dead center. Almost no chance of a kick back.
Some oil wells here in Texas still use these engines to power the pumps. Fairbanks Morris has been a house hold word in the oil business for almost 100 years. thanks for sharing.
Dude- Watch out for that hanging apron over the clutch! The would make a helluva an episode....
That apron scared me too as well as the way he held the crank.
Why don’t you talk to Tubalcain. He has restored several of them and he really enjoys the engines and I think you guys would enjoy each other he is also you tuber as well. Just an idea
Here is a tip on starting the larger hit&miss style engines: hold the intake valve down untill you get some speed up on the flywheels, then release it and the engine starts. The faster cranking speed also makes the magneto have a hotter spark, thus helping the firing up of the engine. The radiator on the FMZ is actually a condenser. As the engine gets hot, the water steams and goes up in to the condenser where the cool air changes the steam to water and it falls back down in the water hopper. A lot of these late engines had fans to speed up the process. After Fairbanks quit making these engines, a company called Arrow machinery made them for a long time.
Arrow still makes heavy engines for oilfield service - they also they use them as prime movers for AC - there also used to generate voltage on pipe lines instead of using anodes so they don't eat out -
Those Z engines and arrow engines run about 5 yrs between ring and bearing change out if there running above 500 RPMs - many z engines are still on jack pumps today or small bore wells -
The cooling we called thermal siphon - they have large cast iron radiators and used oil for cooling instead of water
Should have called this episode “Christmas comes early” really cool stuff, I love watching your channel and look for it daily!
Love those old engines. I am currently refurbishing a 1-1/2hp Hercules hit & miss engine. Rudy Calin at www.rebuiltmags.com can help you out with the mag on your 3hp engine.
I had a 4hp Cushman once.. Used a coil and battery.. Coil much like a Model T coil....Magnetos are simple as dirt to work on.. I wish I knew how many I have repaired in the last probably fifty years... I think I still have a magneto lurking around in the shop for one of those old engines ..Cheers from Louisiana...Mike
You had me at “Ice Cream” :)
It’s so lovely that you take care of preserving and restoring these items! How wonderful to have a line shaft in the shop - even if steam is a few steps too far (for now...) I would really like to watch you design and put in the line shaft!
Cool stuff! I just wanted to let you know that there is in face a big difference between Hit n Miss engines and Throttle governed engines. People commonly confuse them and refer to throttle governed engines as hit miss engines but they are not. Throttle governed engines hit every time. Your may miss occasionally when its not under a load but it is not a hit miss engine. True hit miss engines have no throttle shaft in the carburetor and use a flyweight governor and a series of levers to hold open the exhaust valve when they get up to speed. This kills compression, spark, and no fuel is sucked in and they coast until they slow down enough where the governor weights come back in and it releases the exhaust pushrod and fires again. It's basically a very early way of governing the speed. Throttle governed engines, like most modern engines today, use a throttle shaft in the carburetor and a governor to regulate the speed of the engine. The reason your seems to miss is probably due to the governor being a bit slugish to react, but I bet if you put it under a load it with smooth right out. Again I'm not attacking you or anything, I just wanted to let you know that there is a difference between them. :) Either way they are very cool engines!
The expert on RUclips about Hit and Miss engines is shopdogsam.
Good score! I've had my 1916 model Z adorning my family room for 30 years now without the wife complaining...Well not too much.
keith i have watched a lot of your videos but i am a person that does not say to much or comment to often but my uncle has restored a lot of the hit and miss engines he might be able to help you out
Who gives a video like this a thumbs down? Must be a few really miserable people out there.
I actually think that doing stuff that they can moan or have a problem with is making them happy too, It's their favourite thing to do.
Someone who doesn't own 2 desirable hit'n'miss engines.
Keith, you may want to collaborate with SmallEngineMechanic. He did a lot of hit and miss engine stuff.
It would be tons of fun to watch he and Keith work together.
I'm in!
I have a very similar Fairbanks Morse “Z” 3 hp.
The belly tank is typically for a cheaper fuel after its warmed up. (Kerosene, coal oil)
It is a suction system, no pump.
The small tank on the carburetor is for warm up fuel (gasoline).
You can also hold down the intake to make them easier to get cranked up.
Neat engines!!! 👍🏻👍🏻
That's pretty neat. Love your channel. I am no machinist but enjoy watching you do your thing. Have a great day. Thanks
I know you gotta be familiar with SmokStak - lots of expertise on there and probably someone near you.
My great-grandfather in mid-coast Maine had one of these engines in his garage. He was using it to power the tools that he was using to build a house.
The old engines were indeed fascinating. I had one for a while. Brother-in-law wondered if it was getting fire, so he told me to crank it. When he stoppec yelping he said yes. When used go to Oil Creek State Park which had an excellent presentation the early petroleum. I ncluded was Drake's Well, the first production oil well in the US.
9:19 sure looks like that spark plug is loose and moving around. Fairbanks Morse built some monster engines as well, all slow reving long lasting stuff.
Apparently in the oil patch where I live in Alberta, there are still a few wells running on these engines.
"shop dog sam" (You tube ) for any thing hit/miss and magnetos
Shop dog Sam can help check his you tube channel
Zc118 and 208 engines were usef all over this county on pumpjacks.had one on the family farm from 1963 till the 90's. Also used Witte and Ajax engines. The ajax was on a farm 1/8 mile away with a 6 inch x10 foot exhaust pipe. Loved to hear that beast bark at night. Back then i could ride my bike back the service roads and watch the engines run. This was mid to late 70's rural central Ohio.
Where I grew up I was told that they didn’t run electricity there until the late ‘50s. Right where we put our trailer, there was an old house, built right around 1900, and people lived in it in the 1960s, and it never had power. We ran power up there in 1974.
Man, I would love to get my hands on one of these one day
Great stuff, Keith. My obsession with old 'n' slow singles went in the direction of the Lister diesel from England. They were ubiquitous throughout the Commonwealth, and are still manufactured new in India to this day. I'd love to acquire a Witte diesel at some point, which seems to be as close to an American-made equivalent of the Lister as possible.
There many Wittys still in service in the oil field
Hold the intake valve in while cranking. When you have made a couple of revolutions let the valve go. The hole in top of the air cleaner was for squirting gasoline in to get it started and keep it running until you got the casing head gas and the air damper adjusted. That is a gasoline carburetor that has a vacuum fuel pump in it. If you did not have a good casing gas supply from the well casing they would run the engines on drip gas. Drip gas was the condensate usually collected by running the natural gas going to the flare by simply running it thru a 55-gallon barrel so the heavier parts of the gas would condensate from the lighter gases. Drip gas would then be used for many purposes. During WWII when gasoline was rationed people would use drip in their automobiles. It was so dry, basically naptha, that you had to mix a little oil in with it to lubricate your upper cylinders. Drip had a very distinctive smell. The revenuers were always trying to catch drip gas sales or users as there was not road tax being collected on it.
Wish you would have set the governor speed control spring down to the lowest idle speed and the sound of and the governor action would have been very special as it would get to do the on and off throttle that made the sound we used to hear in oil field country. That was caused by the well pumper just being too lazy to adjust the counterbalance weight so the weight of the lift pump downhole and the column of oil being lifted was equal.
That rare 18" pulley would be great for mounting it on an old garden tractor and having a unique ride to pull a butt-buggy around events. A small diameter pulley would be great for the lower speed needed for a line shaft. Driving a line shaft to power your planer would really be old school as much as steam. Steam was great but it required a lot of time and gas engines just required giving them a crank. The 118ZC was splash oiled and the radiator where vapors rose up and were condensed back to liquid by the fan air being pushed thru the radiator meant you did not have to keep adding water all day.
I am really impressed with how smooth that old engine runs. Those old engines were very simple and ran forever. Something that can't be said for today's engines except for the extremely large engines.
Funny how things happen... I was looking for a chunk of cast to complete a shaper restoration and stumbled across another shaper in the scrapyard. Now I have 2 restored shapers.
Enjoyed this video. It reminded me of a late friend who had a Bean Sprayer engine similar to the open water jacket engine you have. His engine came from his parents farm. He rebuilt the engine, then extend the frame of a WheelHorse lawn tractor that he had and mounted the engine of that tractor to power it. To ease starting he added a switch to change the spark advance. Occasionally he would throw this switch while the engine was running and it would throw a foot long flame out the muffler. He suffered from MS so used this tractor to get around Edwardsville, IL. He also fabricated chains for the drive wheels and pulled his daughter on a saucer sled through the snow.
We have spare parts for the 118. Let me know as we have rebuilt many FM engines of this size.
my favorite hit n miss guy is Shopdogsam
Keith, just a little FYI, when opening a LP gas tank, when you open the valve, you need to open it all the way, the valve is back seated, and if you don't gas will escape out around the stem.
Not in the modern age !!
Thanks for the video! Great to see you enjoying your new acquisitions. People are commenting about the starter crank. I was wondering about what would happen when you grabbed the rotating clutch handle. Must have been a little exciting.
Right when you said natural gas, I noticed the gas canister standing there and I thought to myself: Great, he is going to start it!
very good video keith..thanks for your time
Used to collect these engines myself until health issues got in the way. Fairbanks are very solid and reliable and parts are everywhere on eBay ect. Small engine mechanic and Shopdog Sam are good recommendations. Someone said something about not having your thumb around the crank, very good advice! If it kicks back when starting you will have at least a broken thumb. We used to hold the intake valves to spin them up, it lessens the chance of kickback. If it's at the wrong position on a kickback they can break your arm! Other thing I noticed, you didn't crank it too fast (the Z) but you always want a plug wire connected to something else with a magneto. If a mag produces spark and isn't connected to something the spark can spike and ruin the mag. Never do that on an impulse mag (like on the 118) because they wind up to give full spark at low RPM's for easier starting (that's the clicking you hear when cranking it). Nice engines, I agree, not steam, but still very neat.
Your tip about not causing the mag to spark when the plug wire is not connected is huge. That mistake would cause the “average” owner to have to buy a new $500.00(?) mag!
youtube channel shopdogsam would be a great source of info on your hit and miss engine.
He recently did a couple videos on those magnetos also
Denton N.C. has a threshers reunion yearly. They have hit and miss engines, steam engines,and all types of farming equipment.
We had a couple like the small one for hauling fishing nets back in the 50-60's They have very cool sound when running.
i want one.. a small one to run a small pumping unit in the yard. 3 hp???? i got 3 HP briggs motor... it isnt 1/10th that size??? the flywheels must provide LOTS OF OFF IDLE TORQUE
Keith, when you were demonstrating the clutch 7:30, the open spinning clutch with the bottom of your apron seemed to me to be a unsafe situation.
Lovely old machines. Love them. My little version is coming on slowly. Hope it runs as good as yours.
Regards.
Steve.
when i was a kid up in the ventura county mountains.. the hit and miss engine had a failure and ran away.. going crazy fast. it ran our water well .. so mom took the head off and it became my play toy from age 3 to 9.. i have never seen another like it as it had intake and exhaust valves in the block as i could watch the piston move and the intake and exhaust valves open and close with the head off.. the other play toy on my carpet was a model twenty cat and a cat pull behind road grader .. it was the former county road grader.. with Pnumatic tires and spoked wheels. a family down the road has the road grader in their front yard as a decoration with a fence around it.. the twenty has been sitting with a bush growing around it since 1965.. baking in the hot sun and freezing nights for the past 55 years.. seized engine.. seized throw out bearing. missing parts that somebody took off it.
wonderful bit of machinery... great ideas and technology just slips by like water through a sieve in our thirst for bright and shiney...
A number of folks have mentioned ShopDogSam, I would like to cast my vote for him as well. He is an absolute wealth of information on these Engines.
There is no fuel pump on your 3hp Z. There is a check ball in the tank, however. A magneto rebuild (or new rebuilt one) is about half the value of the whole engine, ~$200-300, whereas the machine is worth about $600-700. You're not gonna screw it up restoring the engine, even if you work on it yourself, you've got more than enough restoration experience, they're not that complicated. They are very forgiving as well in terms of timing as long as you're in the ballpark it should run. Biggest issues currently plaguing mine -- magneto internal component physical wear and intake valve sticking on a different one. Check valve likes to stick too, definitely clean the tank.
I enjoyed your video with the fairbanks running . I have a 1930 s international harvester 2 1/2 300 to 600 rpm just learning a little about it . It runs but quits after 30seconds . Anyway im a new subscriber will keep watching
Hello Mr Rucker,
I have a FM engine, 1 1/2 horse, dishpan flywheels. It doesn't seem to have a gas needle valve. The gas is sucked from the tank directly into the carburetor. Can you tell me how to regulate the gas flow ? It floods out now.
I believe you were backwards on your 118s clutch controls. My 118 is still in pieces but my 208 runs great. Always loved playing with these engines.
hey i have a Faribanks-Morse Model Z Hit and Miss engnie1-1/2 hp but i can't start it up maybe is out of timing how to timed it thanks
Shopdogsam is a hit n miss guru
I looked him up thanks to your comment. Thank you so much. Hes been making you tube videos for ten years and looks like Gandalf. Hes so awesome, god bless him
One of my classmates in grad school grew up in rural Nebraska. He was born about 1965. He insisted that the water pump motor ran continuously for the entire 18 years he lived at home. I grew up in Michigan, in a city with a big GM factory, and could not imagine how an engine could do that. But these engines are NOT automobile engines. Both are varieties of internal combustion engines, but that is like saying an whale and a mouse are both mammals.
What to do with the engine - plans to run the planer.......
Well, if it's the only engine you've got, I'd suggest you instal line shafts to all the machines so you can run any ONE machine with it ! For example, if you have 12 machines - say 3 machines per line shaft, have a pulley clutch to each line shaft, so you can select which line shaft to run then same pulley clutches to feed the individual machines. Maybe it'd run several shafts and several machines for demonstration purposes but if you planned to actually use a machine, I guess you'd need to be able to isolate all the machines you're not using so all the available power is just going to the one machine. I think that would be a great feature (of the museum).
I used to start and run those every day for over 30 years while working in the oilfields of Ohio. They're very dependable engines.
I sent my American Bosch AB-33 mag to rebuiltmags.com. It was completely dead with a burned armature and bad condenser. It works great now. Mine is on a hoist. See it at: ruclips.net/video/bFjLS5duynw/видео.html 6 mins in.
Just a tip. Do not hold the intake valve open to stop the motor. It will backfire thru the carb and blow out the intake plate on the carb. It can also remove the carb from the head. Fair warning.
There are engines like those out in the cotton fields of Arizona that have been pumping water for more than 50 years. Amazingly reliable.
Like to have one to run a electric power head for them blackout times.😂😂😂
U-tuber Shop Dog Sam can help you out with that engine. I agree they are fun just to have. You can have a set up at the Florida flywheelers.????
My dad just got done putting a 2 hp Z engine back together. It was my great grandfathers. We are looking for a spark plug for it, and looking for someone that works on magnetos..
There are few things neater than a shop run off of a line shaft. I've seen awesome ones in Albany MN and Rollag MN. It's something few have seen and most people are in awe when you explain it to them.
I would say about 1/4 or maybe 1/3 of the oil wells up here in Southern Illinois are still ran with these types of engines, most (that I know of) are run on propane. Neat little engines to listen too while you're waiting on a deer to come by deer hunting!!
If it's 118 cubic inch displacement, then it's essentially a 2 Litre engine.
That’s not a radiator, it’s a condenser. Notice there is no filler cap on top of it. Also, these throttle governed engines will run a nice smooth constant speed without load, once you have the gas pressure dialed in on that zc118. As far as the 3hp z, it too will run constant speed fast or slow, again once everything is correct.
Arrowengine.com still makes a similar engine for the oil fields.
Their Type C engine looks like your FM oilfield engine.
There is a guy who post videos of oil wells in Kansas.
Most have switched to electric motors but there are still a few running hit and miss engines off of well gas.
I love that set up, instead of burning it off as a flare you get free energy.
If the power grid and the internet goes down those old wells will still keep pumping.
Mustie1 would have that second engine running by lunchtime!
Exactly what I thought
He'd be checking for spark! Clean the points.
Dribble some fuel, crank it over, and after it fired, give his laugh of accomplishment!
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They were made until the 80's?? I would have never imagined.
Those engin3s remind me of the ones seen for sale along rural highways in India. They propel anything that needs motive power, and some of the strangest looking homebrew vehicles I've ever seen.
Yeah, a company in Texas bought remianing parts and stopped using Fairbanks Morse name. I don't remember new name .
Send that mag to Weaver Magneto in Shiloh Ohio.... Top notch folks...
Nice Fairbanks Morse is still up here in Beloit, WI they manufacture large engines for ships.
If the tank is good next check the foot valve on the end of the gas tube that go to the carb hook a wire and check for spark then it should run once you have spark a little gas in carb boil and your running. There’s gas engine magazine the has much info . I have had gas engine since the 1960 and now and steam traction engine . Thats the only reason I took machine classes back when line shafts were the way to keep my old iron running
Does anyone have something in the WI MN area that works they'd like to part with? I've always wanted one of these to play with...
Shop Dog Sam
Or, you can take that working one and feed a belt to a generator so if you loose line power you can start that up and get the lights back on.
Would it not be feasible to power a standby generator with one? For those living in tornado or hurricane country they might be great given their simplicity and reliability.
I bet you could run your metal planer off that LNG engine.......
Hey buddy, you autta head up to the tri state show up in Portland Indiana next August
You would love it
Big swap meet in May too
They still run them here in Oklahoma in rural areas .We always called them Acme engines in the oilfield i got to work on a few ours are actually gas pressure started from well head pressure . They run for years unattended .
@7:30, yeah a clutch that not only works the pully but also will remove a couple of fingers if your not careful.
If you need any parts I go to flywheel supply they got about everything you will need if you can't make it they got it and alot if the time it's cheaper for me to buy the parts the for me to make them
NICE, I've always wanted a hit & miss engine but never found one I could afford.
Look up shopdogsam and smallenginemechanic on youtube.
I was in Texas a couple weeks ago attending the Canton Trade Days event. There is an ice cream shop on the Trade Days ground that makes their ice cream there with an engine just like that and it was driving two of those ice cream makers just like the ones you picked up.
My grandparents had one of those the lighter green one but much bigger to pump water up to the 3 story tank house, it ran on natural gas from there oil well.
That is not a radiator. If you look there is no place to add water at the top. It is a condenser so that you would not need to add water.
I always enjoy your videos. Thanks for posting your videos
右のエンジン冷却水ポンプで循環してるのかな?
こんなエンジン扱ってると250ccで12000rpmとか回る日本のバイクのエンジン信じられないだろうね。
SHOPDOGSAM
Keith we used to have them for pumping farm water and the old ronaldson tippets used to rust out the water jackets not as bad as it sounds but something to look at
Keith, do you think the 3hp would run your metal planer? I'd love to see you try.
Loved the episode Keith, can’t wait for the restoration videos
I love the ice cream trailer idea.
My friend's dad had a Fairbanks on a sawmill that he used to saw scaffold boards about 40 years ago.. Mike
keith if you interested u can reach me on facebook eather by my name or fassettsgarage
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Contact Shopdodsam, he's a hit and miss junkie!