I just want to complain about the music: it's of the depressing/brain is melting variety. I almost couldn't watch the video - had to break it into 3 pieces. Good work otherwise ruined by the sound guy who apparently needs to switch meds? Or, is Utah that bad... I wonder.
I mean, all the people complaining aside, this is very informative since I never really bowl with balance holes. My friend does, but that's because his ball is illegal without a balance hole (the purple Track Paradox, so god only knows what's happening to that ball); I haven't really seen a need for a balance hole, I don't really bowl too seriously to care. I just have my USBC membership so I can compete in local tournaments and meet new people and enjoy the sport and hobby that I love. It's still nice to see how the balance hole affects all the dynamics of the ball though, even though I might never have a need for balance holes.
Love these information videos they help me a lot on my game. I have a couple of balls with and without the weight hole and I can see how much it takes away the angle with the weight hole and without it hooks so much more
Aj Angotti depends on the drilling. If you had paid attention, the 5x5x2 was weakened by the balance hole. Where as the layout previous to the 5x5x2 was enhanced. Balance holes have their place in Symmetrical cores. With this new rule , I hope the companies will have various coverstocks with assymetrical cores of varying strength PSA’s.
So I am a two-handed bowler who bowls with no thumbhole but I throw a house ball for my spares. Am I able to throw the house ball without violating the new rules? Thanks in advance.
I guess the next logical question is: Do you think you can repeat that performance with a ball that didn't have a balance hole? If the answer is "No", then we most likely need the rule.
what Jon said but i also believe it was to make your physical game more important that just putting a hole in the ball and letting that make your adjustment than having to have a decent arsenal in your bag and having a better touch to make adjustments ie not having 5 of the same ball with different layouts where you stand on the same boards and release them all the same to get the different results as seen.
They claim that bowling is too easy that is Chad Murphy and the Usbc. So to bring back the fairness to the game, Aug 1st 2020 bowlers won't be able to use weight holes anymore. The only holes will be for your fingers and thumbs. Also Aug 1, 2019 bowlers in leagues and tournaments only will be able to use ball cleaner before and after match play, not during leagues or tournaments.
My understanding is removing weight holes helps prevent balls from having too high a differential. Total differential basically defines the strength of a bowling ball core, and has a set maximum by usbc (0.060 I believe). Putting a weight hole in the proper position can increase a balls differential to go above the set maximum. I believe usbc wants to remove weight holes so more drilled balls stay under the max differential that ball manufacturers have to follow.
@@stevengugudan9225 Any ball that has been approved by the USBC can be used in USBC competition, which includes your LT-48. Since there's no weight hole in your ball, the new weight hole rule won't apply to that ball.
They already do with the crazy weight cores they are putting the balls. As long as they don't throw the ball completely out of center via the weight then i'm good with it.
Maybe not - but some people are running out of lane much sooner than used to happen. I wish the USBC had simply moved on oil absorption rates in balls first - see how that played out in preserving lane conditions longer, then looked at reducing flare if necessary. Doing both at the same time may prove to become a future argument as coverstocks get reformulated and improved. You're right about one thing: just because user tunability is diminished does not mean manufacturers won't do the exact same thing for them out of the box.
Rule doesn’t say you can’t drill a weight hole.. just that you can’t have a weight hole in competition. Just drill the same weight hole and plug it. The density of plug is less then the material you are removing.
The USBC should learn from the failures of USGA and walk back this proposed rule. Ball companies will simply adapt manufacturing processes to allow for the same level of performance. The proposed changes will have absolutely no effect on pro or high level bowlers. It will, however, pose a huge burden on typical league bowlers who will need to have new equipment drilled and old equipment plugged. Further, the rule will reduce profit margins for pro shops as custom spec balls will need to be ordered more frequently and it will be difficult to turn old stock over. At the end of the day, similar to the groove rule or the anchoring ban in golf, the rule will have little to no appreciable impact on the high level bowlers for which it was intended. Jason Belmonte will still hook the entire lane with ease, EJ Tackett will still have an insane rev rate that rips racks, the old heads will still complain that the new technology has marred the game -- none of that is going to change. All this rule is going to do is make the sport of bowling a little less accessible and a little more encumbering for the average league bowler (aka the people who keep the lights on).
Spot on. This is the big picture result and something that no one is talking about. Our governing body is supposedly "Growing the Sport" .... how does this help attract new bowlers or even retain the basic level league bowler that averages 150-175 and makes up nearly 90% of our players..??
I truly doubt the rule change is going to significantly affect the typical average league bowler. While I have been away from the game for the last three years or so prior to this fall, balance holes have been the literal unicorn sighting for me over the last twenty years. The only people who will miss the balance holes are those people who are knowledgeable enough about the game to understand the effect of a balance hole, which isn't the majority of the 150-175 average bowlers. I see most of the complaints coming from people who either have a significant collection of balls with balance holes *or* people who pine for the nostalgia and tradition of "the way it used to be". I don't disagree with either position...I just don't feel either reason justifies avoiding evolution altogether. I've been bowling for 37 years. I've never used a balance hole, and I've averaged in the mid-190s since 1999. I also didn't participate in many tournaments during that time, either, which may be contributing to my lack of dissent regarding this decision. However, if I were, I would likely be right there with the naysayers, which is exactly the reason why this rule change is most likely needed.
The sky is falling the sky is falling This rule change isn't what Is wrong with bowling, the USBC isn't what is wrong with bowling, not conditions, and equipment are not what is wrong the only issue with bowling is the BOWLERS! Making baseless statements with 0 knowledge of what is actually going on.
Does this rule include vent holes? For thoes confused, vent holes are small shafts drilled at an angle from the surface of the ball into the bottom of the thumb home to release air so your thumb comes out cleaner.
Guess I'll just be a little ahead of the curve. I only play on house shots and the random sport pattern the center puts down when a group of us play for cash. I came into the game way too late to ever think about anything much more than that.
When the thumb hole is drilled in a symmetrical ball, the PSA or mass bias moves the the thumb hole. PSA is not strong enough in a symmetrical ball to counteract the mass removed by the thumb hole.
I have to say, many of these comments are quite entertaining, yet at the same time are precisely why the sport-not the recreation-of bowling is in a steep decline...as someone who's been bowling since the age of 7 in 1970, I've seen all the changes in ALL the technologies in bowling, such as: --- 3-piece pancake weight blocks to offset drilled-out material to sophisticated 2-piece cores; --- shell materials, from rubber to polyester to urethane to reactive resins; --- lane bed materials and coatings, from wood to synthetic, and lacquer to water-based; --- lane conditioning patterns, from spray gun and mops to Century 100s with shims and blockers to Kegels, and 45 feet to 30/26 feet and back to 40 feet; and, --- lane conditioners / oils, from light mineral-oil based to silicones to thick, glue-like blends. Further, at various times over the past 36 years, I've worked every position in a bowling center, with one exception-ownership, and I've seen thousands of bowlers of every skill level roll millions of games. That said, the number one reason for bowling's decline was the introduction of resin balls in the early 1990s, and their approval by the ABC...while the debut of urethane balls in the early 1980s caused a slight upward tick in averages and honor scores, the explosive increase caused by reactive resin made a mockery of the record books, and is the definition of insanity. How so, you ask? When plastic succeeded rubber, and later urethane dominating the landscape, higher scoring was still dependent on SKILL OF THE PARTICIPANT...140-160 average bowlers remained at that level, and 180+ bowlers saw modest increases. However, when resin came along, bowlers of ALL skill levels saw their averages leap 10-20+ pins without changing their physical game...and, when the decent-but-not-great 180 bowler starts averaging 200+ overnight, all of a sudden he/she thinks they're actually a really good bowler...the problem is that such a bowler-who has some inherent flaws in their game, which is why they were averaging 180 and not 210-makes really poor shots that even the high-tech resin ball can't save, they get mad when they score poorly, and the usual deflection blame game begins-"These lanes suck!" These so-so bowlers today-who actually post 220+ averages-would probably average 175 if you took away their high-tech nuclear missles, because they have little knowledge or understanding of the basics of this sport...for example, how many of them could actually tell the differences in these leaves AND WHY? --- A standard, run-of-the-mill solid 10 pin; --- a soft 10 (deflection at the pocket, whether due to ball speed or lack of revs); and, --- a "behind the headpin" 10 pin, due to the ball breaking too late with a steep entry angle. Dick Weber's landmark book-"Weber on Bowling"-discusses this subject and much more, and the concepts in this book are just as relevant today as they were when first published in 1981...you can find it here: www.amazon.com/Weber-bowling-Dick/dp/B0007212NU I quit bowling in competitive scratch leagues back in the early 2000s, because the attitudes of many of the young guys (under 25) coming in these leagues were horrible; the lack of respect for other bowlers, the "I'm a great bowler, how dare any pins remain standing, these lanes / this house sucks!" nonsense just became too much.
Your take just isn't born out by facts. Higher scores INCREASE viewership and participation rates. For every one old school guy that enjoyed a tough 2:1 ratio shot and a hard fight to get a clean 184 there's a half dozen who want to grip it and rip it to 237+, or just watch EJ Tacket rifle off 279-268-300.
this is a pretty good post...I've been bowling since the 80's as a kid and I've seen how the introduction of more powerful bowling balls have ruined the sport. These balls are so aggressive now days it make lane play super tough with all the new drill techniques and oils we use. I find it better and funner to bowl with low end equipment with basic drills for most bowling until sport shots are applied. USBC is actually bringing bowling back to a normal sport. The sport has lost a lot of credit due to equipment and lane match up. Every shot on a tough tournament where you don't strike much and bowling becomes more normal....Basic spare game, and mental lane play become the factor of skill and applied technique. I have a slow finesse game learned from the early days and a high rev rate...13 MPH with 400 revs...very tough to match up on the lanes with every company selling balls that are almost the same strength no matter what. Hence why I can find older equipment and I can roll with it so much better than most balls made in the last 5 yrs. Guess I should pick my speed up and change my layouts to accommodate, HA another battle in itself...
You're joking, right? The FACTS don't bear your claim out..."USBC will see the same type of modest decline we have seen each year for the last 15 years. At this point, the data shows the dues increase had no measurable impact on the membership. USBC membership has been declining at a rate of 4.9% to 6.4% each year. It looks like we will end this season with a decline of 5.8% or less." www.bowl.com/A_Future_for_the_Sport/A_Future_for_the_Sport_Home/A_Future_for_the_Sport_Update_-_2017_Recap,_2018_Preview/
Anyone that claims to have had their finger in the bowling game for as long as you should know that once most of these 200-220 league bowlers get to any shot outside of a Typical House Shot they come back down to earth REAL QUICK. Which makes the people the average 220 in actual competition all the more impressive. Resin Balls did nothing but make the sport more accessible. The reason a lot of the attitudes get thrown around is many of these people have NEVER thrown on anything besides a THS, and they get used to shooting 700 at will, and when you ring a 10 pin it can ruin a run, especially when there's usually a couple hundred bucks on the line. I'm sure you have kicked a few ball returns in your day. Not to mention, a crappy attitude is a crappy attitude no matter what, and has nothing to do with a the game, or the equipment (hang around an adult softball league sometime). Its also worth noting that there's many houses out there that do nothing to help in the realm of promoting a consistent shot. You have pin setting equipment from the 70's that's been recycled from 3 different houses over the years that can't set a pin in the same place 2x in row if doing so would make boobies rain from the sky. You have mechanics that cant do more than collect dead wood, let alone properly adjust a backstop, and THATS not going to get any better considering they get paid next to minimum wage. What don't bear out in the numbers is this. While USBC membership has been on the decline there's lots and lots of unsanctioned leagues out there, and the recreational side of bowling is alive and well. Look at the successes of places like the "Lucky Strike" franchises. There's two of them in the Metro Detroit area and you cant get anywhere near them on the weekends. The biggest problem I see to the expansion of the sport as a whole is the bickering between over things like balance holes, and the sanctioning bodies providing almost NOTHING for the average league bowler, they don't reward honor scores anymore, they don't hold the centers to any REAL standard, and yet they cause increased line fees year after year. Now I understand that a lot of that has to do with them cutting back because of lower membership numbers and its a negative feedback loop that is probably to far gone to reverse itself, but there HAS to be some kind of utility they provide that they just don't do as well anymore, especially with the more casual turn the game has taken.
If other countries are not governed by the USBC, why are they following the USBC rules and regulations? For example: Japan is governed by the JBC, The Philippines is governed by the PBF, Taiwan by CTBF and etc.
Makes it easier if international tournaments are all on the same page re:equipment. You don't want 63.5 foot lanes in Europe, 32in balls in South AMerica, etc.
heres another source to look for 2 hander layouts, mo pinel developed the dual angle layout system radicalbowling.com/tech-docs/a-radical-look-into-no-thumb-drill-patterns obviously this is still to old rules but those layouts dont require weight holes, but i guarantee you everyones already working on it with 3oz allowed, basically its going to take that document and probably stretch out cg placement (i would guess) another 2 inches however, if you get a ball with less than 3 oz of top weight, its basically impossible to violate the new weight restrictions, i.e. you could get a 2.5oz top weight and put the cg on the pap if you wanted and it wouldnt violate the new 3 oz rule
I just bought a ball and I couldn't get a balance hole in of course and I noticed a huge difference in the shape of the ball that doesn't have a balance hole vs a ball that does have a balance hole. The one without a balance hole didn't even try to hook even throw I got a pretty aggressive layout on it. It might just be the ball but I compared it to a ball with the same core but different cover stock. It might just be the lane pattern I was throwing it on too. I am yet to throw it on a fresh shot because my center can never oil there lanes. But if that is the case with the ball reaction then I am scared. If I were you guys, don't pay to plug your balance holes until a little bit later on because USBC might see that this rule is trash and revert it back to the way it was.
So big deal. Drill a deep balance hole and plug it with light weight material. Personally I think the oil absorption of the cover is a much bigger issue. Why not drastically limit that so that proprietors can use much less oil? Save them some money. What other reason do they have for the high volume of oil other than how fast the balls suck it up?
One other item to note: Unlike years ago, to compare bowling to golf today is utterly ridiculous...yes, there have been numerous improvements / enhancements in golf technology with clubs and balls, but ask yourself this question: How many weekend duffers do you see or know who go out and shoot 65-70 after buying the latest gear? NONE. After decades of PGA events, there has been all of ONE score of 58, and eight 59s, so why haven't more crazy low numbers been registered? The answer says it all: In golf, it still boils down to SKILL OF THE PLAYER...in modern bowling, it's all about having the right ball, not the right technique. There have been 34 900 series shot in bowling; it isn't a coincidence that all of them have taken place since the introduction of reactive resin. THAT is what is ruining this sport; a 300 game or an 800 set used to mean something; not anymore, and that's really sad.
They all came after a lot of other factors too: A) League can now use a 20:1 oil ratio. Miss by four boards? No problem. Huge difference from older patterns. B) Knowledge is MUCH higher as you can get coaching from things like youtube instead of finding a random pro and paying for lessons. C) Sports medicine advances, much better surgeries, and therapies. An ACL tear used to mean you never picked up a ball again in any sport. Now you're just out for a season. D) PEDs. If you think pro players weren't on the sauce, go look at the players before and after testing was introduced...
I used to think that 2-handers were a joke not too long ago. I believed that they simply took advantage of the oil in the center, i.e., stand as far left as possible, rev it up. and throw it right. But then I started seeing these young guys on the tour - and even a few local guys - and I was amazed how the really good ones can play down 10, or on the ditch, etc. They are amazing! I've tried it a couple of times (I'm a righthander and a million years old) and the ball gets to the arrows at about one mile per hour and then hooks left into the ditch. There have my respect ("not that anyone cares").
Most of the time? Haha u clown the men don’t whoop him most of the time he’s the best bowler in the world and I hate two handed bowling but bowling is a sport u win like 2% of the time u clown
Why is everyone blaming the balls all the time. Sure they have an extreme amount of power at the pocket but what about the path created to the pocket by the great wall of China 10 to 10 lane condition created in the 70's. I'm so tired of all these whiny ass bowlers thinking they need to average 230 or more and never pick up a ball and have to do some good old fashioned practice. Take the wall down and and average what you should or start practicing. Just saying,old school buda.
Mark Mester one flaw in your point about practicing, when a game will cost a bowler $3.00 to $4.00 it’s hard to get any consistent practice because most people have been priced out.
This is a bull$hit rule. I like to use weightholes to get the ball roll sooner and smoother. Nice job USBC. The sooner you role this back the better. Allow the 3oz of static weights - who cares. I just want to keep the equipment I have as I like it. Plugging the stuff is not an option. What it comes down to is the people who have played by the rules will now have to change. The cheating 2 handers with their “thumb” holes and flipping the ball 180’ have made this rule a requirement. Perhaps address the 2 handed stuff before going after the majority of us.
@@jonwhite3221 actually the elimination of balance holes is all about the 2 handers using the thumb hole they don't use as another weight hole then flipping the ball around. That is why part of the rule will be that 2 handers must mark their equipment to show which direction it is to be thrown.
@@AverageLeagueHack ok well I have never done that and always throw my ball the way it needs to be. I am a two hander and the only reason I've had to put a weight hole in my ball is to follow the current rules of how the ball needed to be balanced at the time. And I don't have a problem with filling in those weight holes because of the new usbc guidlines. And I'll continue throwing my equipment the way should it should be.
The degree of over-editing on this video is outstanding. It's like they send to a video editing student who went overboard trying to impress a teacher by throwing in so much stuff. Just some basic visuals so we can see the difference would be fine. I stopped watching this b/c of the music specifically. I do like the concept behind the video though.
while i do agree the specific song choice here isn't the best choice, music definitely brings life to otherwise uninteresting videos. it helps to break the monotony of parts that people would otherwise skip through.
Funny how the USBC worries about ball cleaners and balance holes but has nothing to say about 2-handed bowling that is ruining fairness in leagues and the PBA.
TraumaER that’s what they are trying to do now is eliminate 2handers and you can suck it dude if your good enough you should be able to beat anyone regardless how they bowl. 2handers have no advantage whatsoever!
kyle dotson keep telling yourself that. All I know is that if I learned to bowl 2-handed, my average would easily be 220 instead of the 200-210 range. That extra revs = better carry = fewer 10 pins = more strikes. It's physics 101 and this is undisputed. Funny how they don't allow you to switch hands during competition, but let you use 2 at the same time.
TraumaER ej tacket has been clocked to have higher revs than jason belmonte...look how small he is! If you can’t get that many revs mabey you need to hit the gym.
kyle dotson you don't sound like you even bowl with those statements. EJ has high rev rate because he has the perfect release. Similar to how some of the smallest guys on PGA Tour have the longest drives. His timing and use of his entire body into the revs on the ball is perfection. Has nothing to do with the gym. And Robert Smith was made by God. If you look at how he releases the ball, it is very similar to a yo-yo. No one else can release it like him. And I doubt him hitting the gym would have added any more revs to the ball. Size doesn't matter. Timing and leverage and wrist position is what creates revs.
I'm just here to read people complain about 2-handers.
I just want to complain about the music: it's of the depressing/brain is melting variety. I almost couldn't watch the video - had to break it into 3 pieces. Good work otherwise ruined by the sound guy who apparently needs to switch meds? Or, is Utah that bad... I wonder.
My new invention, 500 grit microfiber towels...lol
love the different ball layouts shown and how different they react!
sorry i am new to this i would like to know what would be the best to drill 4*4*2, 5*3*4 or 5*5*2. for jackal motiv that is illegal ball. thank you
I mean, all the people complaining aside, this is very informative since I never really bowl with balance holes. My friend does, but that's because his ball is illegal without a balance hole (the purple Track Paradox, so god only knows what's happening to that ball); I haven't really seen a need for a balance hole, I don't really bowl too seriously to care. I just have my USBC membership so I can compete in local tournaments and meet new people and enjoy the sport and hobby that I love.
It's still nice to see how the balance hole affects all the dynamics of the ball though, even though I might never have a need for balance holes.
What is that orange ball in the background at 6:10 ?
can't wait for the next video. Informative
Love these information videos they help me a lot on my game. I have a couple of balls with and without the weight hole and I can see how much it takes away the angle with the weight hole and without it hooks so much more
Aj Angotti depends on the drilling. If you had paid attention, the 5x5x2 was weakened by the balance hole. Where as the layout previous to the 5x5x2 was enhanced. Balance holes have their place in Symmetrical cores. With this new rule , I hope the companies will have various coverstocks with assymetrical cores of varying strength PSA’s.
Continuation defines ball reaction. How the ball goes through the pins and where the ball leaves the pindeck defines carry.
So I am a two-handed bowler who bowls with no thumbhole but I throw a house ball for my spares. Am I able to throw the house ball without violating the new rules? Thanks in advance.
Scott Niu no not with the new rules
Does this go into affect with PBA as well or just USBC?
Love the informative videos!
Man I love this video
It's really knowledgeable
I quit bowling in 2004, but only ever had one ball with a balance hole. I had my all time high series with it. 783.
One hell of a night,take all 7 lol
I guess the next logical question is: Do you think you can repeat that performance with a ball that didn't have a balance hole? If the answer is "No", then we most likely need the rule.
The USBC is now 1 step closer to killing bowling once and for all...
TraumaER Exactly. The USBC is the reason why bowling is dying sport.
Nope the only problem with bowling is the bowlers...not the USBC not the equipment or conditions just the bowlers themselves
Can anyone tell me why the USBC doesn’t allow balance holes
from my understanding it gives different play styles an advantage
what Jon said but i also believe it was to make your physical game more important that just putting a hole in the ball and letting that make your adjustment than having to have a decent arsenal in your bag and having a better touch to make adjustments ie not having 5 of the same ball with different layouts where you stand on the same boards and release them all the same to get the different results as seen.
They claim that bowling is too easy that is Chad Murphy and the Usbc. So to bring back the fairness to the game, Aug 1st 2020 bowlers won't be able to use weight holes anymore. The only holes will be for your fingers and thumbs. Also Aug 1, 2019 bowlers in leagues and tournaments only will be able to use ball cleaner before and after match play, not during leagues or tournaments.
My understanding is removing weight holes helps prevent balls from having too high a differential. Total differential basically defines the strength of a bowling ball core, and has a set maximum by usbc (0.060 I believe). Putting a weight hole in the proper position can increase a balls differential to go above the set maximum. I believe usbc wants to remove weight holes so more drilled balls stay under the max differential that ball manufacturers have to follow.
Floating Lasgna Creature that's true as well.
That 5x5x2 looks nasty with that ball without balance hole.
I have a Brunswick LT 48 can I still use this bowling ball for League Bowling (Sanction)?
This Brunswick LT48 has no side weight hole drilled
@@stevengugudan9225 Any ball that has been approved by the USBC can be used in USBC competition, which includes your LT-48. Since there's no weight hole in your ball, the new weight hole rule won't apply to that ball.
Dumb rule. The manufacturers will just manipulate the static weight accordingly to have the same reactions.
They already do with the crazy weight cores they are putting the balls. As long as they don't throw the ball completely out of center via the weight then i'm good with it.
Maybe not - but some people are running out of lane much sooner than used to happen. I wish the USBC had simply moved on oil absorption rates in balls first - see how that played out in preserving lane conditions longer, then looked at reducing flare if necessary. Doing both at the same time may prove to become a future argument as coverstocks get reformulated and improved. You're right about one thing: just because user tunability is diminished does not mean manufacturers won't do the exact same thing for them out of the box.
@@flinch622 Can the coverstock be made porous but not permeable, so it doesn't even absorb oil, yet has plenty of hook potential?
Rule doesn’t say you can’t drill a weight hole.. just that you can’t have a weight hole in competition. Just drill the same weight hole and plug it. The density of plug is less then the material you are removing.
Yes and no, weight holes as of Aug 1 2020 will not be allowed only holes for gripping will be allowed as stated in the video.
Unless you go to nationals they don’t allow plugged balls
Is that going to be a new rule? Every ball I have is plugged and I have never had an issue.
start bowling at 1:35.
The USBC should learn from the failures of USGA and walk back this proposed rule. Ball companies will simply adapt manufacturing processes to allow for the same level of performance. The proposed changes will have absolutely no effect on pro or high level bowlers. It will, however, pose a huge burden on typical league bowlers who will need to have new equipment drilled and old equipment plugged. Further, the rule will reduce profit margins for pro shops as custom spec balls will need to be ordered more frequently and it will be difficult to turn old stock over. At the end of the day, similar to the groove rule or the anchoring ban in golf, the rule will have little to no appreciable impact on the high level bowlers for which it was intended. Jason Belmonte will still hook the entire lane with ease, EJ Tackett will still have an insane rev rate that rips racks, the old heads will still complain that the new technology has marred the game -- none of that is going to change. All this rule is going to do is make the sport of bowling a little less accessible and a little more encumbering for the average league bowler (aka the people who keep the lights on).
Spot on. This is the big picture result and something that no one is talking about. Our governing body is supposedly "Growing the Sport" .... how does this help attract new bowlers or even retain the basic level league bowler that averages 150-175 and makes up nearly 90% of our players..??
I truly doubt the rule change is going to significantly affect the typical average league bowler. While I have been away from the game for the last three years or so prior to this fall, balance holes have been the literal unicorn sighting for me over the last twenty years. The only people who will miss the balance holes are those people who are knowledgeable enough about the game to understand the effect of a balance hole, which isn't the majority of the 150-175 average bowlers. I see most of the complaints coming from people who either have a significant collection of balls with balance holes *or* people who pine for the nostalgia and tradition of "the way it used to be". I don't disagree with either position...I just don't feel either reason justifies avoiding evolution altogether. I've been bowling for 37 years. I've never used a balance hole, and I've averaged in the mid-190s since 1999. I also didn't participate in many tournaments during that time, either, which may be contributing to my lack of dissent regarding this decision. However, if I were, I would likely be right there with the naysayers, which is exactly the reason why this rule change is most likely needed.
I agree, Rob.
The sky is falling the sky is falling
This rule change isn't what Is wrong with bowling, the USBC isn't what is wrong with bowling, not conditions, and equipment are not what is wrong the only issue with bowling is the BOWLERS! Making baseless statements with 0 knowledge of what is actually going on.
Would those layouts be legal under the new rules without the hole?
Monk Amani yes, as long as none the static are more than 3 ounces.
Can you recommend anyone in England to buy hand have a ball drilled from?
Does this rule include vent holes? For thoes confused, vent holes are small shafts drilled at an angle from the surface of the ball into the bottom of the thumb home to release air so your thumb comes out cleaner.
Just started bowling 5 months ago, never used a balance hole and bowling just fine.
Guess I'll just be a little ahead of the curve. I only play on house shots and the random sport pattern the center puts down when a group of us play for cash. I came into the game way too late to ever think about anything much more than that.
Jeramie Scott I'm only 14 and bowling a 208 average. I've still got plenty of time
@@travisferral8688 lol
Why are you using an Asymmetrical ball for this test? The larger issue is with symms, IMO.
Byron Franek I agree absolutely.....
When the thumb hole is drilled in a symmetrical ball, the PSA or mass bias moves the the thumb hole. PSA is not strong enough in a symmetrical ball to counteract the mass removed by the thumb hole.
I have to say, many of these comments are quite entertaining, yet at the same time are precisely why the sport-not the recreation-of bowling is in a steep decline...as someone who's been bowling since the age of 7 in 1970, I've seen all the changes in ALL the technologies in bowling, such as:
--- 3-piece pancake weight blocks to offset drilled-out material to sophisticated 2-piece cores;
--- shell materials, from rubber to polyester to urethane to reactive resins;
--- lane bed materials and coatings, from wood to synthetic, and lacquer to water-based;
--- lane conditioning patterns, from spray gun and mops to Century 100s with shims and blockers to Kegels, and 45 feet to 30/26 feet and back to 40 feet; and,
--- lane conditioners / oils, from light mineral-oil based to silicones to thick, glue-like blends.
Further, at various times over the past 36 years, I've worked every position in a bowling center, with one exception-ownership, and I've seen thousands of bowlers of every skill level roll millions of games.
That said, the number one reason for bowling's decline was the introduction of resin balls in the early 1990s, and their approval by the ABC...while the debut of urethane balls in the early 1980s caused a slight upward tick in averages and honor scores, the explosive increase caused by reactive resin made a mockery of the record books, and is the definition of insanity.
How so, you ask? When plastic succeeded rubber, and later urethane dominating the landscape, higher scoring was still dependent on SKILL OF THE PARTICIPANT...140-160 average bowlers remained at that level, and 180+ bowlers saw modest increases. However, when resin came along, bowlers of ALL skill levels saw their averages leap 10-20+ pins without changing their physical game...and, when the decent-but-not-great 180 bowler starts averaging 200+ overnight, all of a sudden he/she thinks they're actually a really good bowler...the problem is that such a bowler-who has some inherent flaws in their game, which is why they were averaging 180 and not 210-makes really poor shots that even the high-tech resin ball can't save, they get mad when they score poorly, and the usual deflection blame game begins-"These lanes suck!"
These so-so bowlers today-who actually post 220+ averages-would probably average 175 if you took away their high-tech nuclear missles, because they have little knowledge or understanding of the basics of this sport...for example, how many of them could actually tell the differences in these leaves AND WHY?
--- A standard, run-of-the-mill solid 10 pin;
--- a soft 10 (deflection at the pocket, whether due to ball speed or lack of revs); and,
--- a "behind the headpin" 10 pin, due to the ball breaking too late with a steep entry angle.
Dick Weber's landmark book-"Weber on Bowling"-discusses this subject and much more, and the concepts in this book are just as relevant today as they were when first published in 1981...you can find it here: www.amazon.com/Weber-bowling-Dick/dp/B0007212NU
I quit bowling in competitive scratch leagues back in the early 2000s, because the attitudes of many of the young guys (under 25) coming in these leagues were horrible; the lack of respect for other bowlers, the "I'm a great bowler, how dare any pins remain standing, these lanes / this house sucks!" nonsense just became too much.
Your take just isn't born out by facts. Higher scores INCREASE viewership and participation rates. For every one old school guy that enjoyed a tough 2:1 ratio shot and a hard fight to get a clean 184 there's a half dozen who want to grip it and rip it to 237+, or just watch EJ Tacket rifle off 279-268-300.
this is a pretty good post...I've been bowling since the 80's as a kid and I've seen how the introduction of more powerful bowling balls have ruined the sport. These balls are so aggressive now days it make lane play super tough with all the new drill techniques and oils we use. I find it better and funner to bowl with low end equipment with basic drills for most bowling until sport shots are applied. USBC is actually bringing bowling back to a normal sport. The sport has lost a lot of credit due to equipment and lane match up.
Every shot on a tough tournament where you don't strike much and bowling becomes more normal....Basic spare game, and mental lane play become the factor of skill and applied technique. I have a slow finesse game learned from the early days and a high rev rate...13 MPH with 400 revs...very tough to match up on the lanes with every company selling balls that are almost the same strength no matter what. Hence why I can find older equipment and I can roll with it so much better than most balls made in the last 5 yrs. Guess I should pick my speed up and change my layouts to accommodate, HA another battle in itself...
i totally agree with your assessment
You're joking, right? The FACTS don't bear your claim out..."USBC will see the same type of modest decline we have seen each year for the last 15 years. At this point, the data shows the dues increase had no measurable impact on the membership. USBC membership has been declining at a rate of 4.9% to 6.4% each year. It looks like we will end this season with a decline of 5.8% or less." www.bowl.com/A_Future_for_the_Sport/A_Future_for_the_Sport_Home/A_Future_for_the_Sport_Update_-_2017_Recap,_2018_Preview/
Anyone that claims to have had their finger in the bowling game for as long as you should know that once most of these 200-220 league bowlers get to any shot outside of a Typical House Shot they come back down to earth REAL QUICK. Which makes the people the average 220 in actual competition all the more impressive. Resin Balls did nothing but make the sport more accessible. The reason a lot of the attitudes get thrown around is many of these people have NEVER thrown on anything besides a THS, and they get used to shooting 700 at will, and when you ring a 10 pin it can ruin a run, especially when there's usually a couple hundred bucks on the line. I'm sure you have kicked a few ball returns in your day. Not to mention, a crappy attitude is a crappy attitude no matter what, and has nothing to do with a the game, or the equipment (hang around an adult softball league sometime). Its also worth noting that there's many houses out there that do nothing to help in the realm of promoting a consistent shot. You have pin setting equipment from the 70's that's been recycled from 3 different houses over the years that can't set a pin in the same place 2x in row if doing so would make boobies rain from the sky. You have mechanics that cant do more than collect dead wood, let alone properly adjust a backstop, and THATS not going to get any better considering they get paid next to minimum wage. What don't bear out in the numbers is this. While USBC membership has been on the decline there's lots and lots of unsanctioned leagues out there, and the recreational side of bowling is alive and well. Look at the successes of places like the "Lucky Strike" franchises. There's two of them in the Metro Detroit area and you cant get anywhere near them on the weekends. The biggest problem I see to the expansion of the sport as a whole is the bickering between over things like balance holes, and the sanctioning bodies providing almost NOTHING for the average league bowler, they don't reward honor scores anymore, they don't hold the centers to any REAL standard, and yet they cause increased line fees year after year. Now I understand that a lot of that has to do with them cutting back because of lower membership numbers and its a negative feedback loop that is probably to far gone to reverse itself, but there HAS to be some kind of utility they provide that they just don't do as well anymore, especially with the more casual turn the game has taken.
If other countries are not governed by the USBC, why are they following the USBC rules and regulations? For example: Japan is governed by the JBC, The Philippines is governed by the PBF, Taiwan by CTBF and etc.
Makes it easier if international tournaments are all on the same page re:equipment. You don't want 63.5 foot lanes in Europe, 32in balls in South AMerica, etc.
they need to make 1 for 2handers. layouts for 2handers are probably going to be very different
have you been apart of bowling for about 1 day?
Yeah cause come 2020 we will have no thumb holes either for 2 handers unless you put your thumb in
So stupid all they are doing is trying to eliminate 2handers
Usbc can kiss it!
heres another source to look for 2 hander layouts, mo pinel developed the dual angle layout system
radicalbowling.com/tech-docs/a-radical-look-into-no-thumb-drill-patterns
obviously this is still to old rules but those layouts dont require weight holes, but i guarantee you everyones already working on it with 3oz allowed, basically its going to take that document and probably stretch out cg placement (i would guess) another 2 inches
however, if you get a ball with less than 3 oz of top weight, its basically impossible to violate the new weight restrictions, i.e. you could get a 2.5oz top weight and put the cg on the pap if you wanted and it wouldnt violate the new 3 oz rule
I only own one ball without a balance hole, my No Rules Pearl. I know the pro shops are eager for the extra money from plugging balance holes.😂😂
I got made fun of because I didn't like or want balance holes. Now i can laugh a little
I just bought a ball and I couldn't get a balance hole in of course and I noticed a huge difference in the shape of the ball that doesn't have a balance hole vs a ball that does have a balance hole. The one without a balance hole didn't even try to hook even throw I got a pretty aggressive layout on it. It might just be the ball but I compared it to a ball with the same core but different cover stock. It might just be the lane pattern I was throwing it on too. I am yet to throw it on a fresh shot because my center can never oil there lanes. But if that is the case with the ball reaction then I am scared. If I were you guys, don't pay to plug your balance holes until a little bit later on because USBC might see that this rule is trash and revert it back to the way it was.
Asymmetrical bowling ball. Because we all know the symmetrical ball wont bresk without the side hole
I actually bowl better without a balance hole because I finally shot my first 700 series.
Lawrence Betterson it’s personal preference some live and die by them but the new static rules will allow different layout options than we had before
So big deal. Drill a deep balance hole and plug it with light weight material. Personally I think the oil absorption of the cover is a much bigger issue. Why not drastically limit that so that proprietors can use much less oil? Save them some money. What other reason do they have for the high volume of oil other than how fast the balls suck it up?
Or even require players to use urethane or something that absorbs no oil once they start drying up.
Here's why I go label drill: if they EVER ban that layout I'll just quit all together.
What's label drill
@@dejabowler873 before today's layouts in the days of plastic rubber balls label drill was used.
@@bryanallen5470 how do you do that plz tell me
Some of thses comments are fucking hilarious
One other item to note: Unlike years ago, to compare bowling to golf today is utterly ridiculous...yes, there have been numerous improvements / enhancements in golf technology with clubs and balls, but ask yourself this question: How many weekend duffers do you see or know who go out and shoot 65-70 after buying the latest gear? NONE.
After decades of PGA events, there has been all of ONE score of 58, and eight 59s, so why haven't more crazy low numbers been registered?
The answer says it all: In golf, it still boils down to SKILL OF THE PLAYER...in modern bowling, it's all about having the right ball, not the right technique.
There have been 34 900 series shot in bowling; it isn't a coincidence that all of them have taken place since the introduction of reactive resin.
THAT is what is ruining this sport; a 300 game or an 800 set used to mean something; not anymore, and that's really sad.
They all came after a lot of other factors too:
A) League can now use a 20:1 oil ratio. Miss by four boards? No problem. Huge difference from older patterns.
B) Knowledge is MUCH higher as you can get coaching from things like youtube instead of finding a random pro and paying for lessons.
C) Sports medicine advances, much better surgeries, and therapies. An ACL tear used to mean you never picked up a ball again in any sport. Now you're just out for a season.
D) PEDs. If you think pro players weren't on the sauce, go look at the players before and after testing was introduced...
A 300 game and 800 series means something as long as the shot isn't walled. My home centre's Shot isn't walled at all. You miss right, you miss right.
완벽한..
Banning weight/ balance holes with kill league nights... This is terrible.
Interesting video. But, most annoying background music ever🤨
Omg yes the music ruins it ….dam I know it’s old vid but still I’m trying to listen to the info……crappy music anyway
I dont see where two handed has the advantage. They don't always win. Heck the ladies could woop Belmonte most of the time.
I used to think that 2-handers were a joke not too long ago. I believed that they simply took advantage of the oil in the center, i.e., stand as far left as possible, rev it up. and throw it right. But then I started seeing these young guys on the tour - and even a few local guys - and I was amazed how the really good ones can play down 10, or on the ditch, etc. They are amazing! I've tried it a couple of times (I'm a righthander and a million years old) and the ball gets to the arrows at about one mile per hour and then hooks left into the ditch. There have my respect ("not that anyone cares").
Most of the time? Haha u clown the men don’t whoop him most of the time he’s the best bowler in the world and I hate two handed bowling but bowling is a sport u win like 2% of the time u clown
Why is everyone blaming the balls all the time. Sure they have an extreme amount of power at the pocket but what about the path created to the pocket by the great wall of China 10 to 10 lane condition created in the 70's. I'm so tired of all these whiny ass bowlers thinking they need to average 230 or more and never pick up a ball and have to do some good old fashioned practice. Take the wall down and and average what you should or start practicing. Just saying,old school buda.
Mark Mester one flaw in your point about practicing, when a game will cost a bowler $3.00 to $4.00 it’s hard to get any consistent practice because most people have been priced out.
good info, but please stop the funky background soundtrack
This is a bull$hit rule. I like to use weightholes to get the ball roll sooner and smoother. Nice job USBC. The sooner you role this back the better. Allow the 3oz of static weights - who cares. I just want to keep the equipment I have as I like it. Plugging the stuff is not an option.
What it comes down to is the people who have played by the rules will now have to change. The cheating 2 handers with their “thumb” holes and flipping the ball 180’ have made this rule a requirement. Perhaps address the 2 handed stuff before going after the majority of us.
Hahaha cheating 2 handers?? Really?
Jonathan White - really
Alrighty then if you say so
@@jonwhite3221 actually the elimination of balance holes is all about the 2 handers using the thumb hole they don't use as another weight hole then flipping the ball around. That is why part of the rule will be that 2 handers must mark their equipment to show which direction it is to be thrown.
@@AverageLeagueHack ok well I have never done that and always throw my ball the way it needs to be. I am a two hander and the only reason I've had to put a weight hole in my ball is to follow the current rules of how the ball needed to be balanced at the time. And I don't have a problem with filling in those weight holes because of the new usbc guidlines. And I'll continue throwing my equipment the way should it should be.
Hey Storm, stop with the annoying background music. If I want to listen to music I'll watch a music video, not a bowling video.
The degree of over-editing on this video is outstanding. It's like they send to a video editing student who went overboard trying to impress a teacher by throwing in so much stuff. Just some basic visuals so we can see the difference would be fine. I stopped watching this b/c of the music specifically. I do like the concept behind the video though.
while i do agree the specific song choice here isn't the best choice, music definitely brings life to otherwise uninteresting videos. it helps to break the monotony of parts that people would otherwise skip through.
Saul Marcus, ND Wow. Just wow.
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Funny how the USBC worries about ball cleaners and balance holes but has nothing to say about 2-handed bowling that is ruining fairness in leagues and the PBA.
TraumaER that’s what they are trying to do now is eliminate 2handers and you can suck it dude if your good enough you should be able to beat anyone regardless how they bowl. 2handers have no advantage whatsoever!
kyle dotson keep telling yourself that. All I know is that if I learned to bowl 2-handed, my average would easily be 220 instead of the 200-210 range. That extra revs = better carry = fewer 10 pins = more strikes. It's physics 101 and this is undisputed. Funny how they don't allow you to switch hands during competition, but let you use 2 at the same time.
TraumaER ej tacket has been clocked to have higher revs than jason belmonte...look how small he is! If you can’t get that many revs mabey you need to hit the gym.
TraumaER Robert Smith. Around before 2handed was even big or existed at the time and hooked it just as much if more than 2handers today.
kyle dotson you don't sound like you even bowl with those statements. EJ has high rev rate because he has the perfect release. Similar to how some of the smallest guys on PGA Tour have the longest drives. His timing and use of his entire body into the revs on the ball is perfection. Has nothing to do with the gym. And Robert Smith was made by God. If you look at how he releases the ball, it is very similar to a yo-yo. No one else can release it like him. And I doubt him hitting the gym would have added any more revs to the ball. Size doesn't matter. Timing and leverage and wrist position is what creates revs.