This was one of those chapters that I constantly had to stop and ask myself "how can someone write like this? How can the mind think of putting these sentences on paper?" Dostoevsky is on his own level in my eyes, I'm reading TBK for the second time in 2 months now 😂
The Geological Cataclysm is placed so perfectly in the devil’s dialogue. Even he knows how ridiculous it is and laughs at Ivan’s misery. Pure logic only takes one so far. But even so, the argument is so strong and the poem itself is beautiful. Dostoevsky is a treasure for humanity.
I've read this novel once in arbaic, i have terrible memory. But I remember this chapter, I wanted to hear it again, I am very thankful that you read it to us without a bias. A simple recounting. You have made my week
When he says its ur brother coming .. that’s what gets me …if it was a figment of only his imagination how would he know it was Alyosha? Or could perhaps be both .. the devil within and an external entity ? Both tormenting him
Came here from your reddit post in r/Nietzsche linking this video. I read that passage and thought the same exact thing! I knew I couldn’t have been the only one
One of my favorite passages from TBK. I find the detail and specificity in the description of the devil - particularly his social history, the exact nature of his being a once wealthy man but now reduced to cycling through his acquaintances - lends the devil just enough detail to seem real, but since we know he’s the result of brain fever, he crosses over into the literary equivalent of the uncanny valley. It makes the entire conversation so much more ominous; it makes you feel like the devil could be lurking behind the mustache any bourgeois acquaintance in your own life.
i just finished this book today, 2 weeks chipping at the old block during quarantine. when i read this scene i felt like i'd been hit by a blue-forked bolt of lighting! absolutely incredible, there was a kind of white noise in my room, a streak in the silence, which almost made me feel myself like i was being visited by a supernatural entity as i was reading it because i was so gripped and electrified. it was the knock-out blow so to speak because in the previous scene when he learns the truth from smerdyakov regarding the murder i genuinely was trembling a bit because i had slipped into Ivan's skin to to such a degree. (perhaps because I also am of the disposition to be afflicted by anxieties and paranoias about my own actions and the like, etc., and i empathised just purely.) also filled with revulsion and extreme curiosity in observing the verbal duel between the son and the bastard brother.
Excellent breakdown. Would love to hear your thoughts on a story the Devil told Ivan. Of the man who walks a quadrillion miles. Why does (the atheist) wait and not follow the afterlife order to walk the quadrillion miles?
I think it ties in with dostoevsky's notion that suffering is the only way to be happy in life and that everyone needs to suffer in order to get into heaven. Basicallyhe thinks atheists don't humble themselves enough to suffer.
I found the scene with smerdyakov, the chapter previous, just as chilling, if not more so. The way Smerdyakov toyed with Ivan's guilt.
He was a representative of Ivan’s true doctrine made manifest. Something Ivan was not prepare to accept in reality only In His philosophy
@@TheGreekCatholicufff...chilling. I felt so scared during that scene before Ivan left for Tchernashnya.
This was one of those chapters that I constantly had to stop and ask myself "how can someone write like this? How can the mind think of putting these sentences on paper?" Dostoevsky is on his own level in my eyes, I'm reading TBK for the second time in 2 months now 😂
The Geological Cataclysm is placed so perfectly in the devil’s dialogue. Even he knows how ridiculous it is and laughs at Ivan’s misery. Pure logic only takes one so far.
But even so, the argument is so strong and the poem itself is beautiful. Dostoevsky is a treasure for humanity.
I'm gonna watch this again. Pearls of wisdom sir. Pearls of wisdom.
I've read this novel once in arbaic, i have terrible memory. But I remember this chapter, I wanted to hear it again, I am very thankful that you read it to us without a bias. A simple recounting. You have made my week
What is the name of the book in Arabic? Akhi Karamazov?
@@nowshadk07 al ikhwa karamzov, look for Sami's translation
When he says its ur brother coming .. that’s what gets me …if it was a figment of only his imagination how would he know it was Alyosha? Or could perhaps be both .. the devil within and an external entity ? Both tormenting him
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Came here from your reddit post in r/Nietzsche linking this video. I read that passage and thought the same exact thing! I knew I couldn’t have been the only one
One of my favorite passages from TBK. I find the detail and specificity in the description of the devil - particularly his social history, the exact nature of his being a once wealthy man but now reduced to cycling through his acquaintances - lends the devil just enough detail to seem real, but since we know he’s the result of brain fever, he crosses over into the literary equivalent of the uncanny valley. It makes the entire conversation so much more ominous; it makes you feel like the devil could be lurking behind the mustache any bourgeois acquaintance in your own life.
I had a very intense nightmare after reading this chapter.
i just finished this book today, 2 weeks chipping at the old block during quarantine. when i read this scene i felt like i'd been hit by a blue-forked bolt of lighting! absolutely incredible, there was a kind of white noise in my room, a streak in the silence, which almost made me feel myself like i was being visited by a supernatural entity as i was reading it because i was so gripped and electrified. it was the knock-out blow so to speak because in the previous scene when he learns the truth from smerdyakov regarding the murder i genuinely was trembling a bit because i had slipped into Ivan's skin to to such a degree. (perhaps because I also am of the disposition to be afflicted by anxieties and paranoias about my own actions and the like, etc., and i empathised just purely.) also filled with revulsion and extreme curiosity in observing the verbal duel between the son and the bastard brother.
Yeah, I can relate. This is definitely one of my favorite books of all time. Thanks for the comment!
This chapter was heavy, haunting
🙏thank you
My favourite chapter of the book
I love the new principles
man is only responsible for what he does and not for what he wishes for.
I loved this book and chapter. I have a little sympathy for the D...l now . I don't like anything scary though . Peace
Excellent breakdown. Would love to hear your thoughts on a story the Devil told Ivan. Of the man who walks a quadrillion miles. Why does (the atheist) wait and not follow the afterlife order to walk the quadrillion miles?
Thanks Alex! That's a great question you ask, I'll have to think about it!
@@ami1649 you better have a good answer
I think it ties in with dostoevsky's notion that suffering is the only way to be happy in life and that everyone needs to suffer in order to get into heaven. Basicallyhe thinks atheists don't humble themselves enough to suffer.
You look like Ivan don't you
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