My IDEAL Rival In Pokemon...
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- The rival conversation in the series has been around forever now, so I'd like to throw my two cents in, lets talk about my ideal rival for the next major Pokemon game!
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Wally is timid in the beginning of the story, but he does grow more confident as the story progresses. I don't know how explicitly it was stated, but I always thought Wally being timid was a result of how sickly and frail he is.
I think it actually was by his uncle and aunt in rse or something? Or perhaps I misremember , but yes, Wally had one of the best growths(it seemed natural as well, like a timid chikd becoming a more assertive teen)
Id like a rival that doesn't constantly think they have a chance against me or try to tell me i know my type matchups.
Strong as nemona, chill like penny/hau, and has strategy for each battle.
For my region, i have one called Otto. A chill dude who uses set up moves and hazards to challenge the player.
Now THATS what I’m talkin about, a VERY solid blend 😤😤
I like to see a Rival that is a mix of Hugh and Barry.
Fun but prone to failure and able to learn, I like that
Can you do a similar video, but for champions. Personally, I would like a character related to the player, the opposite gender player character or a duo of champions.
Sounds dooable to me actually 🧐
I actually really liked Nemona. Having someone that was already good at pokemon training, deciding to handicap themself and and battling you until you've both reached your peak... its a very fun dynamic (though I don't think it should happen every game, it being a one-off would make it more special)
yeah, a rival is often misunderstood at times, I mean to say that a rival doesn't need to be someone you don't get along with, it's someone who challenges you and pushes your limits, they don't need to be jerks or someone who can be seen as the villain, they just need to be the person who challenges you the most, both in terms of how frequently they challenge you in pokemon battles and how difficult they are to beat
Yup, Nemona was already developed when we started. It isn't great for storytelling or something that should happen frequently. But that was also refreshing for the player:
- She was alone and bored at the top and, not only was no one a match for her anymore, but people started resenting her for her prowess and no one wanted to be around her anymore... again...
- She lived in the shadow of her family her whole life until she made a name for herself, and once that happened, people started downplaying her success because once again, her family overshadowed her efforts.
- Worked hard and obsessed for pokemon training for years, grinding her way to her champion status to be once again being labeled as a natural talented genius who got everything easily because it was born that way or had a golden spoon in her mouth.
But suddenly, the player shows up and she sees potential to be someone who will be able to push her once again, and being an experienced champion with a lot of knowledge and passions, she wants to mentor the player until he can climb to the top to face her as equals.
She has no development, she IS the development, there's nothing she can change or improve, but we do and she has nothing better to do with her free time.
Idk, I kinda liked how the game gave us NOTHING about her story and can integrate her arc in the background without shoving nothing down our throats. Anything other than that would be a disaster, another Mary Sue girl power bs, the perfect strongest champion and how hard she worked and how good she is and bla bla bla.
Instead of that, we see an obsessed creep that stalks us everywhere we go, but it doesn't take much effort to put ourselves in her shoes and see the weight she was carrying the whole time.
Scarlet&Violet has one of the best and worst writings of the whole series, it is superficial at the point of people dismissing and not carrying about anything going on, but so deep and heavy take make us angry for not doing a lot more with what they are giving us. Larry is deep in so many levels, the professors are something out of this world.
Alright, gonna stop here because my honeymoon period with these games started a few weeks ago and I still can't believe this is a pokemon game and how great the writing and music is. I wonder how much better it could be if it had at least 4 years of development and wasn't a Nintendo game.
@@MrKoutsuko this sounds about right, and I felt that from her
I thought they actually did very well with Nemona and Arven.
Oh I agree, but I feel like I’d feel a bit more strongly for someone like Arven if he WAS the main rival, and even more for Nemona if she had actual development like Arven
You see my dilemma?
I want a rival that is sarcastic but humorus but also hides who he truly is and once revealed it could change every expectation you had with him and his team will play with this ideas also a important to the main plot
Hopefully we'll have some good rivals in the future! 😊
I think Lear from Pokemon Masters actually fits some of your ideals. Character, strained relationship with father due to dead mom + getting punked out by Red and sorta makes the plot of the game, and grows in the main story.
Comment before watching: I’d like to see a rival that’s like, a family member, like a big bro or sis. That would be something we’ve never experienced.
Something like a spouse would be a very different take too, but thats waaaay less likely, since “haha PokémonIsForKids” 😂
In defense of them not going into Silver's backstory, how would they even do that? Silver actively hates his father and team rocket and doesn't associate with them at all. Giovanni isn't in the original games and was only added as a cutscene in the remakes. The team rocket of GS is all 2nd/third rate grunts banding together to reignite the group and call the boss that abandoned the team to come out of hiding: there's no way they had contact with or even knowledge of an estranged child. Literally no-one is going to talk to the player about this.
Blue/Green being a cocky guy who mocks you doesn't really need an explanation: it's the type of youthful rivalry young kids, especially boys have. Him being the high drive aggressive type is meant to drive the player forward, and it does. If anything, he gets more character than most for remakes, extra appearances, and being the base for the anime's Gary.
Gens 3(Wally excluded, because he's great) and 6 are the weakest links to me: 3 they aren't actually your rival but a professor's aide, and they stop popping up midway through the original games. You dunk on Hau and Hop, but there was little mention or footage of the five from 6. If May and Serena weren't anime favorites, they would be viewed much worse.
I think the best for me was gen 5? Bianca is that soft friendly character, Cheren is the combative strategist, and you get the uniqueness that is N on top. They each get their own arc, and even some payoff in the sequels. Combat wise, i think Blue and Silver are peak, when rivals were meant to be gut checks, before they started reducing team sizes and difficulty.
Hugh. Not too friendly. Not too edgy/jerkish. Has his own character arc rather than just being a part of yours, and it's not TRASH like Hop's. Picks the starter strong to yours, forcing you to play around him rather than being a joke like rivals starting from Gen 7. The ideal Rival.
Hugh is one of the most one note of the rivals. He’s not edgy or friendly he doesn’t really have anything except his shallow plot line where it’s like “stealing is bad!” Like okay right. Worst of the three gen 5 rival storylines
@@srimightbeshady What they're trying to say is Hugh hits the sweet spot that a lot of rivals don't (Barry & Cheren are more instances of that c2m).
I wanna add to OP by also saying he doesn't appear & asks for fights so often that you become uninterested in seeing him (far apart from the double H happy-go-luckies). 1 of the main complaints about the other G5 rivals (Cheren & Bianca) is their constant reappearances & battles, combined with 3 rivals total (counting N), creates a lot of stop & go, which was accounted for in BW2 by only having Hugh while the former two just marginally show up. He wants to get stronger, but competing with the player isn't his central goal, using us & the stolen cat as the main motivator & means to reach new heights that he might not have considered doing otherwise. The true supportive neutrals to the player are what we need more of.
Bede had a decent story he had deeply respected Rose and got dropped by him when he wasn’t useful to him anymore. The fairy gym leader saw potential in him and she took him in.
Rivals aren't a guarantee. PLA didn't have one. Of course the only people who COULD have been our rival are Ingo and Volo (who would probably say we were his rival, but "rival for Arceus's attention" isn't a rival category aaaaa)
Nemona does explain her story. Unfortunately it's mostly in the part in Area Zero whre you're walking and the text for some reason speeds through things faster than people can read it. And then later she tells you more in the school store.
2:12 They need to have Undertale OST - Hopes and Dreams
I wish loss were a bigger part of our story in the game because being a canonically undefeated savant trainer who is not allowed to be bad at anything makes EVERYONE unrelatable, at least in a ludonarrative sense.
If it’s gonna be like that, gimme a rival that calls out the fact that my inability to lose means their story of growth means something as they grow and triumph and find something to do with their lives as a Pokémon trainer. And maybe stop making our rivals settling for being a professor if they can’t be champion, because it’s been proven in the past that you can be both and more than that with Kukui.
Honestly the really bad thing in 9 is that the rival "gangs" are lacking, team star is fine but it really lacks conviction to have no "true evil" groups that can affect the narrative like team Rocket.
Yes, Hop has his own character. I found it really interesting how his losses get to him. Like, it seems Hop grew up in an environment where he was constantly compared to Leon, maybe even indirectly considering everyone constantly talks about the undefeated Champion.
It made him feel like he had to follow the standard that Leon has set, and become just as strong as him if not stronger. But when he fails to reach this goal, it starts to upset him. He's afraid that he's not good enough, and that if he isn't as strong as Leon, he isn't good for anything, and getting crushed by Bede really affected him in that regard.
That's why the more he loses, the more his insecurities are showing. But at the end of the game, he finally realizes that this whole thing, it wasn't his goal. It was what he thought he had to do in order to feel like his existence is valid, only now realizing that it was always valid, and that he should pursue what truly makes him happy, not what he thinks he has to do to justify his existence.
You compared Hop and Hau, but Hau had no such concerns. Sure, there were flaws in the execution of Hop's character, I'm not denying that. But saying Hop is barely distinguishable from Hau is factually false (well except when it comes to that one animation, you know the one).
And Hop walked and stumbled so incredible characters like Kieran could run. Another character with insecurities who is affected by his losses, but who is executed better. Well it wasn't perfect either but it's mostly the fact that we're forced to lie to Kieran and that Carmine doesn't apologize for her mistakes.
Kieran's character itself is perfectly written, and I guess you could say that they were testing the water with Hop. So yes, Hop is good and Hop is important. He is not great, the execution has flaws, but he isn't a bad character either.
Oh. You actually said it yourself later on in the video. Well see ? Hop's character is good. I really don't like people who don't take the time to analyse a character properly only to call it bad. But you actually went back and acknowledged the good in Hop's character. It's more than what we can ask of most people in the community.
You talk about lacking development while showing Cheren and you don't even mention him bruh 😢 Cheren, when he started, thought that strength was everything, but as he travels, he interacts with people and starts to learn that there is more to Pokémon training than becoming stronger.
His interaction with Alder on Route 5 was such an interesting moment, seeing their opposing views clash and leaving Cheren with something to think about.
I think that Nemona is just fine the way she is. Pokémon Scarlet has some pretty tragic characters, especially compared to the other games.
So I feel like having a character like Nemona who's excitable, happy-go-lucky and probably doesn't even know what trauma means to counteract characters like Penny, Arven and Kieran was a pretty good choice.
Nemona struggles with her family quite a bit. Her parents overlook her for her sister because her sister is the company heir, and so she latched onto battling, but her obsession with it made her so strong that she's often dismissed as a natural talent despite having to work super hard to get where she is, so it alienates her peers.
@@BJGvideos Yeah I know (except for the fact that she has a sister, I had no idea) but she's not on the same level of trauma as Arven for example, and she's also not letting it get her down, she's still as excitable as ever unlike the others, who's personal struggles led them to be more closed off. Not that it's wrong to react that way (that's how I am too) but Nemona instead she keeps being open and friendly.
@@Oceane1803 The sister stuff is easily missed since it's in that part where the text is really fast for some reason.
Nobody is on the same level of trauma as Arven except maybe the robot.
So, like, N?
Y-yeah…