There are many others that do same. But regardless, there is so much he doesnt mention that skews the results, one being so many of them here have been modified with rivets, which they dont come stock with, and he didnt say that, but you can see them on many of them. Another is what mic and preamp were used, and what placement, as there is an odd transient attack to all these that is missing in real life and from more neutral mics and/or preamps, so that skews things too. Whatever mic and or preamp he used is adding a coloration to them that is not there, or there was post rocessing added. Also NO two cyms are the same sound even if they are same weight. So you see these types of tests are not very reliable, you must do them yourself in real life unless you dont really care much, but jazz guys and jazz rides are a very personal thing for many players. You will never get same results from anyone elses tests. Also never revealed by any YT tests is how a cymbal FEELS to play (rebound, dynamics, etc) which is very important especially for jazz, to the point that no matter how it "sounds", if the "feel" is not the way you want, it doesnt matter how good it sounds, and you wont like it. So you must do your own tests in real life on the exact cymbal you want. The best tests are by mycymbal memphis drumshop as they are very consistent and you are getting that EXACT cymbal they demo. Any other one will sound different.
The first video where I actually enjoyed the sound of Sabian cymbals. And it is Artisan series only. But Bosphorus Special 3sw sounds simply phenomenal!
I bought a couple Bosphorus rides, I'm convinced they are the best out there right now, Turk 22 and SW 22, amazing. Also, a dream 22 Flat Earth, maybe my favorite of them. Thanks for this!
Great comparison and playing. Love the 2 zildjians in the beginning. I bet they complement each other well. The bos 3sw is great too. And of course the Lauritsens. Craig is a great guy and btw a killer beatmaker and producer as well
This,is the super correct way of Demonstrating Cymbals Viva La difference. Not the way the stores and drum places and others Do it . Thanks for an excellent show...
The only ones I didn't care for were the 18" Istanbul and that last Bosphorus. Every other one had great qualities that speak with their own voice and complement the music in their own special way. I absolutely loved the first two Zildjian models. The K Custom Dry Complex was exactly what I always thought they should sound like although not all of them are this good. I've heard several that were simply harsh but this particular one really had those characteristics of the vision Bill Stewart had for this model. The 22" K Con Bounce is a much more spread out version of the 20" that I play. That's a really nice ride that would fit any Jazz style. I'd have loved to also hear a K Con Renaissance up against those other two. Those are magnificent in their own right. But again, all of these really are beautiful instruments.
Very interesting. It shows how different cymbals can be, even if they’re of similar size and weight. And it’s also interesting how the same cymbal model can vary from one to another. I also use a Sabian Artisan Light, but it weighs almost 300g more! Another thing I love is how different the old Ks are. I don’t care for the first one, but I looove the second one. Very unique sound!
Thanks for doing this. Cool to see some cymbals I've never heard of (the Australian fellah) and hear some specific stuff compared. Nice job with the audio and video and playing!
Craig Lauritsen is definitely someone worth checking out. Some other great "private" cymbal smiths are Matt Nolan, Matt Bettis, Kruno Levacic, Jesse Simpson and Lasse Funch
Great demo. I prefer the sound of the 2nd cymbal played for it's blend of wash and sticking. I'm talking about the famous Zildjian K Constantinople Bounce Ride 22".
This was freaking awesome! By far the best comparison I’ve ever seen. Definite A+ quality. I’d give it A++ if it had a listing of times do you could jump around between the rides for instant comparison
The Bosphorus Special 3sw ride and the Paiste for me. The 20" Sabian AA was surprisingly great in this context. On the other end, the Bounce Ride and the Master Turk was a big disappointment.
That artisan light ride is sick Never played one because I’ve been satisfied with me Sabian dry raw bell ride But I’ve played a few artisan crashes and they’re amazing
I liked the totally broken K Istanbul more than the other K Istanbul LOL! I like the first two and the Lauritsens too, and that HHX O-Zone ! That Artisan Elite cymbal sounded DULL. Where's the personality in that one? Especially for the price. Awesome video!
Excellent! 'Been playing since Nixon got elected. I liked them all really. Rides will make you crazy. Some of the best paying gigs are lay'n back there and keeping time!!!
Excellent way to demo cymbals. I would like to hear them with a less buy pianist, to hear more of the cymbal. This is the first time of heard of Lauritsen, the 2308 would be my first choice.
This varies daily :P Sometimes a cymbal sounds great and the next day it sounds absolutely terrible. Been mostly using the 2308g 22" Lauritsen and the broken old K. I also acquired a 22" Funch flat ride a few months back and been using that on the left too.
It's crazy good! Everythings for sale if the price is right ;) However this cymbal is valuable to me and I doubt that anyone would wanna pay alot for a broken cymbal :P
@@randomdude6378 i personally don’t have anything on sale on reverb atm. I just meant that u shud keep a lookout for dry complex rides cus people sell them there every now and then
@@cvcgac hey man. Still selling dry complex ride? I am quite interesting about yours lol. If you are considering to sell it plz let me know the details Thx and great playing!!
Man, hard to pick a favorite. They all have their places. Lately I've been using the heavier Lauritsen and the broken old zildjian as a pair. Still looking for the perfect ride...
@@cvcgac no such thing as the perfect ride. Over the years I’ve learned that the ears change and I swap around a lot. I’ve got 30 plus ride cymbals (various brands) and right now It’s the Istanbul Agop 30th anniversary series. 20, 22, and 26 and 15” hats Yes, a 26. It’s awesome, it doesn’t get away from me either. Well controlled I really liked the Bos Lyric though in your collection, along with that broken up old K
@@cvcgac Yeah, it literally sounds like someone has their hand choking the cymbal while playing it. I can't believe what Sabian is asking for that cymbal. $600. Wow.
You're the only person on the internet who understands how to demonstrate a ride cymbal. You RIDE them in context . Thank you.
Haha! I appreciate the feedback
There are many others that do same. But regardless, there is so much he doesnt mention that skews the results, one being so many of them here have been modified with rivets, which they dont come stock with, and he didnt say that, but you can see them on many of them. Another is what mic and preamp were used, and what placement, as there is an odd transient attack to all these that is missing in real life and from more neutral mics and/or preamps, so that skews things too. Whatever mic and or preamp he used is adding a coloration to them that is not there, or there was post rocessing added. Also NO two cyms are the same sound even if they are same weight. So you see these types of tests are not very reliable, you must do them yourself in real life unless you dont really care much, but jazz guys and jazz rides are a very personal thing for many players. You will never get same results from anyone elses tests. Also never revealed by any YT tests is how a cymbal FEELS to play (rebound, dynamics, etc) which is very important especially for jazz, to the point that no matter how it "sounds", if the "feel" is not the way you want, it doesnt matter how good it sounds, and you wont like it. So you must do your own tests in real life on the exact cymbal you want. The best tests are by mycymbal memphis drumshop as they are very consistent and you are getting that EXACT cymbal they demo. Any other one will sound different.
But nothings gonna sound bad until you try to crash it or ride the bell.
I find a comment like this under almost every Cymbal demo i've ever watched, where are all these terrible demo videos you must've seen?
The first video where I actually enjoyed the sound of Sabian cymbals. And it is Artisan series only. But Bosphorus Special 3sw sounds simply phenomenal!
Bosphorus Master Vintage and Zildjian Constantinople
Bosphorus Master Vintage, great stick, buttery feel that you can see, controlled wash with nice jazzy harmonics. But all sounding great in your hands!
I bought a couple Bosphorus rides, I'm convinced they are the best out there right now, Turk 22 and SW 22, amazing. Also, a dream 22 Flat Earth, maybe my favorite of them. Thanks for this!
I'm a straight up Bosphorous lover.
They're great cymbals!
Bosphorus , nice rides and lower price
Great comparison and playing. Love the 2 zildjians in the beginning. I bet they complement each other well. The bos 3sw is great too. And of course the Lauritsens. Craig is a great guy and btw a killer beatmaker and producer as well
This,is the super correct way of Demonstrating Cymbals Viva La difference. Not the way the stores and drum places and others Do it . Thanks for an excellent show...
Thanks! I appreciate it
@@cvcgac All in .Do more . I have a very Rare EAK -18 that has a pancaked bell .Think pre Gaddo and Weckyl..
The only ones I didn't care for were the 18" Istanbul and that last Bosphorus. Every other one had great qualities that speak with their own voice and complement the music in their own special way. I absolutely loved the first two Zildjian models. The K Custom Dry Complex was exactly what I always thought they should sound like although not all of them are this good. I've heard several that were simply harsh but this particular one really had those characteristics of the vision Bill Stewart had for this model. The 22" K Con Bounce is a much more spread out version of the 20" that I play. That's a really nice ride that would fit any Jazz style. I'd have loved to also hear a K Con Renaissance up against those other two. Those are magnificent in their own right. But again, all of these really are beautiful instruments.
Those 2 are also probably my least favorite. The dry complex sounded pretty harsh at first but it sort of grows on you and now it's super awesome!
Lots of good stuff here. One stand out for me was the Bosphorus Special ride. Never seen that one before. Nice work. Thank you
Very interesting. It shows how different cymbals can be, even if they’re of similar size and weight. And it’s also interesting how the same cymbal model can vary from one to another. I also use a Sabian Artisan Light, but it weighs almost 300g more! Another thing I love is how different the old Ks are. I don’t care for the first one, but I looove the second one. Very unique sound!
Videos like this are so helpful! Thank you so much for taking the time to make this.
I find myself drawn to the Bospohorus and old Zildjians.
that wash on that Constantinople bounce ride is IT.
Thanks for doing this. Cool to see some cymbals I've never heard of (the Australian fellah) and hear some specific stuff compared. Nice job with the audio and video and playing!
Craig Lauritsen is definitely someone worth checking out. Some other great "private" cymbal smiths are Matt Nolan, Matt Bettis, Kruno Levacic, Jesse Simpson and Lasse Funch
Grrrreat Demo!!! What fun!!! The 20 in. Sabian AA to my ears.👍
Great demo. I prefer the sound of the 2nd cymbal played for it's blend of wash and sticking. I'm talking about the famous Zildjian K Constantinople Bounce Ride 22".
Best demos I have heard
My dream rides are this Paiste Masters and the Masters Swish. This video proved to me that any ride with rivets sounds good.
Love that ride angle and height, exactly how I use my ride
This was freaking awesome! By far the best comparison I’ve ever seen. Definite A+ quality. I’d give it A++ if it had a listing of times do you could jump around between the rides for instant comparison
you didnt say you added rivets to about half of them tho, so those are not stock cyms anymore
Go cat daddy go!! *snaps fingers*
That Lauritsen Kontro -WOW!
Then again the Sabian Artisan Elite very similar
such a BIG difference on those cymbals!! Greeat comparison
The Bosphorus Special 3sw ride and the Paiste for me. The 20" Sabian AA was surprisingly great in this context. On the other end, the Bounce Ride and the Master Turk was a big disappointment.
Yea it seems like the bounce ride has lost all it's tension despite being over 2400g
Yeah the bosphorus 3sw was my top pick next to the k dark
Master Turk would be on my left for a big change up. Most drummers get “matched” sets and end up without a color palette.
I love my old Paiste 602 and a Bosphorus Turk that is very similar to the Masters you play in the end.
Very good job 👍 congratulations
Great video!!!
That artisan light ride is sick
Never played one because I’ve been satisfied with me Sabian dry raw bell ride
But I’ve played a few artisan crashes and they’re amazing
I liked the totally broken K Istanbul more than the other K Istanbul LOL! I like the first two and the Lauritsens too, and that HHX O-Zone ! That Artisan Elite cymbal sounded DULL. Where's the personality in that one? Especially for the price. Awesome video!
Good taste! The broken K is one of my faves. I hope the cracks just don’t spread any further
Thank you so much bro!!
Bosphorus Lyric Series ftw
That first dry complex ride reminds me of the Sabian Hammer ride. It's got that same howling wash.
Great comparison! Which is your favorite?
Excellent! 'Been playing since Nixon got elected. I liked them all really. Rides will make you crazy. Some of the best paying gigs are lay'n back there and keeping time!!!
Excellent way to demo cymbals. I would like to hear them with a less buy pianist, to hear more of the cymbal. This is the first time of heard of Lauritsen, the 2308 would be my first choice.
Zildjian bounce ride is the holy grail
u are really swingin, which cymbal(s) did you personally like the most ?
This varies daily :P Sometimes a cymbal sounds great and the next day it sounds absolutely terrible. Been mostly using the 2308g 22" Lauritsen and the broken old K. I also acquired a 22" Funch flat ride a few months back and been using that on the left too.
cvcgac yes that 2308g Lauritzen and the cracked K sound beautiful, Funch is the real deal please post a video of that flat ride!!!!! 😍
Great man! What is that interface that you are using?
Thanks! That’s a Roland octa-capture. Decent preamps and easy to use
great video!
how old is that Master Turk ride? is it a previous series to Master Vintage?
I bought it around 2011-2012. I believe that it’s the predecessor to the Master Vintage series. The finish is slightly less brilliant
Interesting but why not the other half - hihat foot?
Dry complex ride!
Holy. The new stamp 1880g sounded best. Up for sale??
It's crazy good! Everythings for sale if the price is right ;) However this cymbal is valuable to me and I doubt that anyone would wanna pay alot for a broken cymbal :P
@@cvcgac haha 😄 that has your name all over it anyways. Happy hunting :)
Nice demo.
❤🎉😊
The Bill Stewart ride is really unique, right?
Yea, low bell but super high profile, doesn’t really sound like any other ride but it’s awesome!
Someting close to it that you can easily get is the Meinl Monophonic ride. Has similar profile and sound.
Новый Штамп райд бедный весь на вырезах😳
Бля.. ну конечно вышел Пайсти и всех уделал ! Кристальный звук 😍
Would you consider selling the Dry Complex II? Amazing drumming, super swinging!
Thanks! Everything is for sale if the price is right ;) you should keep an eye out for these on ebay and reverb. They might go for as low as $300
cvcgac what’s your shops name on reverb?
@@randomdude6378 i personally don’t have anything on sale on reverb atm. I just meant that u shud keep a lookout for dry complex rides cus people sell them there every now and then
cvcgac Ah I see, yeah I’ve been looking for one for a while now haha. That being said, is there a “right price” for that dry complex at the moment?
@@cvcgac hey man. Still selling dry complex ride? I am quite interesting about yours lol. If you are considering to sell it plz let me know the details Thx and great playing!!
Музыка будто из фильма конца шестидесятых с Вициным 😆
Paiste Masters all the way! ... and the way it wobbles compared to the others... Its basically a living thing.
Great demo! Which is your favorite of the group?
Man, hard to pick a favorite. They all have their places. Lately I've been using the heavier Lauritsen and the broken old zildjian as a pair. Still looking for the perfect ride...
@@cvcgac no such thing as the perfect ride. Over the years I’ve learned that the ears change and I swap around a lot. I’ve got 30 plus ride cymbals (various brands) and right now It’s the Istanbul Agop 30th anniversary series. 20, 22, and 26 and 15” hats
Yes, a 26. It’s awesome, it doesn’t get away from me either. Well controlled
I really liked the Bos Lyric though in your collection, along with that broken up old K
I'd be interested in that first C. Lauritsen cymbal, if available.
АА сырой райд такой тонкий или кажется . Он аж вибрирует весь изгибается
Paiste
Yeah the paste was nice not my top choice but definitely up there.
I really like the Sabian Artisan Elite... Just 450€... :p
Nice playing- the Artisan Elite was very very dry....
Lol yea super dead cymbal. Was pretty good for ultralow volume gigs though
@@cvcgac Yeah, it literally sounds like someone has their hand choking the cymbal while playing it. I can't believe what Sabian is asking for that cymbal. $600. Wow.
Кароче по сравнению с пайсти мастерс все звучат глухо или очень глухо
Are any of the old Ks for sale?
Not really, unfortunately. Unless I'm offered a ridiculous amount of money :D
I know I'm being picky but I think all the cymbals should have been the same diameter. One inch more or less does make a big difference.
ААХ омни звучит както топорно по сравнению с предыдущими. Хотя чего ещё ожидать от Сабиан🙄
ХХХ граммов. Улыбнуло .весы сломались шоль🤭
hahahaa música chata
Great video!
Bosphorus , nice rides and lower price