I can’t talk much about 587, but I will tell you this, you guys don’t have to worry she’s not gonna get scrapped. 587 is in good place at Kentucky steam, know since I am a member.
I don’t want to be a downer, but I recently spoke with someone who was formerly partly in charge of Kentucky Steam. The gentleman said he left because of some shady tax stuff. He showed me how multiple people were working on it, getting paid for it. Handsomely. Plus, the numbers they said they spent made no sense, especially on the C&O Kanawaha. Over 200k spent, with false leads. He said they’d finish the T1 before the Kanawaha.
The fact the engine was taken off the national register scares me because that usually means something that was once on the register is going to be destroyed, and yes that has happened plenty of times not just to buildings but to Vehicles as well
587 will always hold a special place in my heart. My father went to high school at Broad Ripple High School right down the street from where she sat in the park, and would sometimes go over to the park and hang out around the engine with some friends of his. Fast forward about 20 years or so, and my dad and I were riding the Indiana State Fair Train - behind the very same engine. She was part of both my father's childhood as well as my own. That whistle always gave me chills, too. There's almost nothing quite like it. I hope and pray she gets up and running again - even if it's in another state. I'll go visit her if I have to. I just want to see her running again.
One of the first steam trains I remember running as a kid. Was always a treat when it would pull the Indiana State fair train. I really hope it gets back on the rails!
I first knew of the 587 when I watched steam in the summer by Railway Productions. And I felt shocked when I found out that she got disassembled after the ITM was evicted. I fear that the same thing that happened to the 5629 could happen to the 587, but I'm just praying that that doesn't happen, it would be a severe loss.
The private individual in question I will not name though i do have some insight this will not happen this person cares deeply about steam and I will say does amazing work on them. Trust us in the Industry when I say she is in wonderful hands and by no means is getting jensoned Love your videos Darkness keep ‘em coming
A nice fact to know is that she, as being built as class H6-A for one of the subsidiaries of the New York Central, the Lake Erie & Western Ry that she survived being scrapped by the fact she was sold to the Nickel Plate Road. There was also a highly modified version built for the French National Railways, the SNCF, as class 141R which were a very reliable and good performing class of locomotives, hauling trains ranging from heavy freight to all passenger trains not exceeding 100km/h or 62mph.
Hey! I'm a fan of 587. I didn't know she had been disassembled though. I'm also surprised that you didn't mention the movie she starred in: 587: The Great Train Robbery. I always liked that film. Were you somehow not aware of her movie?
You wanna know a sad thing? Before this video, I hadn't even HEARD of 587! But now that I have, I wanna start up a Kickstarter to buy her off of that mysterious owner and bring her back to glory! like, dude, I know the economy sucks right now, but YOU HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY! YOU CAN REBUILD HER!
Not one mention of 587's Broken whistle (which is now reparied and ALSO in storage but recently blown in Ravenna). That history is in the dark i guess.
I tend to watch that movie on the First Day of Summer for me. ^^ I mean... it would make sense for the main timeframe of the movie to be somewhere around during the summer season, when the kids are out of school and all that. :)
"...about the only modification that was ever made to her happened in late 1943 when she was given castings from Lima locomotive Works instead of her originals..." Can someone elaborate on this? Castings for what, exactly? Did he mean builder's plates?
just to show how good the design was, in 1946 France puchased 1500 updated versions of these light Mikados, one of which i operate on in Switzerland (1244 141r) and ran them until 1975
please do a video on the porters steam loco the Japanese class d5, the Chinese QJ 2,10,2 or just exsamples of asian trains how do gear trains work something on saddle bolier and side tanks (like the big water boxes) tank engines double ended diesel trains (and electric) eletric trains American and European switches other then the British class 07-09 what to do if the train stalls one talking about the different types of steam funnles and there uses, a video on steam locomotive combination breaks (steam and vacuum brakes) a short video on how a Armstrong turn table works what did train flagman do what did trains (mostly steam) do when going in tunnels, ive heard of gas masks or just useing a wet cloth, or did they bring in other engines like later on they used electric trains, or were there no bigv tunnels. evaluation of electric trains why are some trains wagion tops (the stream lining thing to boilers) railway terms abd slang one on the meaning of flag and lantern colors like green on rear engine means theres another one coming soon, the different types of cut offs/reversers/Johnson bar some are a big lever, some are a big valve wheel, and ive also seen some that are like rods, one exsample is train sim world 3 and im not sure where to find the other reverser and how much water do steam trains take usually, and how much would the crew drink
I would suggest looking into the history of sumpter valley 19 and 20 Last two locomotives built brand new for their railroad, eventually go to Alaska while the tenders go to Central America, almost was gonna be put into a bay and then both are back on pretty much home track with their original tenders. Not to mention roundhouse fire and a major wreck for one of them
I was visiting Kentucky Railroad Museum back in 2022, I had heard of locomotives being restored to operational condition and saw the Nickel Plate Road tender. The following day I had dinner on the RJ Corman "My Old Kentucky Dinner train" when I saw some merch and heard some conversation, and then later discussed with an employee. The rumor I heard was that RJ Corman Co. was in the planning stages to acquire a steam locomotive. I don't know how much of that is true, considering it's me hearing rumors and then putting 2 and 2 together....
Kentucky Railway Museum is currently in the restoration of its own steam engine, the L&N 152. As for R. J. Corman, they donated their locomotive, Old Smokey, to KSHCO. Therefore, I wonder why they would restore 587.
I have some experience with the National register, and don't think anything nefarious is going on there. Most likely the nomination was done by the State of Indiana listing the locomotive as having local or regional significance. Once the locomotives permanent location wasn't in Indiana, it would automatically be de-listed. It is now upto Kentucky/the new owner to relist it in Kentucky. If it is even eligible.
How much of a factor is it that the locomotive is no longer in its home state? Does location matter when it comes to the National Register? Because that could play a role in why it was removed.
On their website, The Indiana Transportation Museum claimed that Logansport IN was the new headquarters. I sent them a message offering to donate my time to relocate, but I did not get a response.
Actually, 4501 didnt always look like that, when it was first built it looked diffrent, and it wasnt until 1930 it was modefied to its aperance we all know it as today
@@DMIRyellowstoneFan that's not what I meant, SOU did later modify their engines to a more USRA appearance but in turn the USRA based the light mikes off of the Ms, particularly 4501
I don't care for his identity, he has a right to his privacy. But the preservation community has long memories about private individuals who owns steam locomotives and either leaves it in a state of neglect or worse, cut it up for proverbial razor blades, thus the concerns from many individuals about # NKP587 is understandable.
They could've just moved 587 to the Fort Wayne railroad historical Society with 765 was located or the reading & northern they restored 2102 but why not 587 if the owner won't fix her.
Don't know to whom you refer to as "they" as old owner ITM was broke, etc and had no means to do anything hence the sale of 587 to get desperately needed funds for more pressing priorities. You also have to determine if Ft Wayne, or R&BM, or whoever had space and other resources to take in a non-owned loco along with their other requirements. The sale to private owner and move to KY Steam Heritage was, at the time (which was an extreme emergency situation), the best of of a bad lot of choices. For the immediate time being 587, though "in limbo" is NOT in danger of ceasing to exist.
if this anonymous is related to jenson...lets just say...if 587 goes "missing"...this person should...how to put this..."watch his back" if ya know what i mean.
I can’t talk much about 587, but I will tell you this, you guys don’t have to worry she’s not gonna get scrapped. 587 is in good place at Kentucky steam, know since I am a member.
Are you still contracted to do the restoration time permitting...or has that since changed? Or do you not even know that was a thing?
@@zaklex3165 I don’t know
@@therectorrailroad2716 Thanks for the reply, I only asked because that was one of the things mentioned when the deal to store at KHSC was made.
@@geraldmcfarlane5937 no problem!
I don’t want to be a downer, but I recently spoke with someone who was formerly partly in charge of Kentucky Steam. The gentleman said he left because of some shady tax stuff. He showed me how multiple people were working on it, getting paid for it. Handsomely. Plus, the numbers they said they spent made no sense, especially on the C&O Kanawaha. Over 200k spent, with false leads. He said they’d finish the T1 before the Kanawaha.
Finally, a video of my favorite locomotive of ALL TIME! I hope she gets a chance at running again. She deserves better.
The fact the engine was taken off the national register scares me because that usually means something that was once on the register is going to be destroyed, and yes that has happened plenty of times not just to buildings but to Vehicles as well
Likw USS Cabot?
@@vaclavmacgregor2464 and clamagore amoung others
So off topic... but heh... thoughts on of course for of 587 when she appeared in the Old 587: The Great Robbery movie? :)
@@jimmyhook4852I have the movie and enjoyed it and why did they show the Lost engines of Roanoke in the opening
@@RailPreserver2K Good question in regards to why they showed the Lost engine of Roanoke in the opening.
587 will always hold a special place in my heart. My father went to high school at Broad Ripple High School right down the street from where she sat in the park, and would sometimes go over to the park and hang out around the engine with some friends of his. Fast forward about 20 years or so, and my dad and I were riding the Indiana State Fair Train - behind the very same engine. She was part of both my father's childhood as well as my own. That whistle always gave me chills, too. There's almost nothing quite like it. I hope and pray she gets up and running again - even if it's in another state. I'll go visit her if I have to. I just want to see her running again.
One of the first steam trains I remember running as a kid. Was always a treat when it would pull the Indiana State fair train. I really hope it gets back on the rails!
I first knew of the 587 when I watched steam in the summer by Railway Productions. And I felt shocked when I found out that she got disassembled after the ITM was evicted. I fear that the same thing that happened to the 5629 could happen to the 587, but I'm just praying that that doesn't happen, it would be a severe loss.
All in favor of kentucky steam buying the engine ?
@@RailPreserver2K Aye
Can someone ATLEAST donate 587 to a god damn museum? -_-
3:12 I didn't know 587 had a Mars light!
I like 587, maybe they might restore her after restoration of C&O 2816 is completed.
The private individual in question I will not name though i do have some insight this will not happen this person cares deeply about steam and I will say does amazing work on them. Trust us in the Industry when I say she is in wonderful hands and by no means is getting jensoned
Love your videos Darkness keep ‘em coming
"Jensoned", huh? That's a good one!
Let's just pray that doesn't go downhill like with a certain usra light Pacific
And that would be?
@@daskriegsman7013 I think he means Grand trunk western 5629
GTW 5629
@@theark-la-missrailfan I thought so
@@Iliketrains444 Oh right
*sigh*
Goddamn you Metra.....
I'm glad that you're here to drag Jensen's name through the mud for all eternity Darkness.
I love Nickel Plate Road #587 ❤
Me too
Rode behind her on a Detroit-Bellevue trip, sweet loco.
A nice fact to know is that she, as being built as class H6-A for one of the subsidiaries of the New York Central, the Lake Erie & Western Ry that she survived being scrapped by the fact she was sold to the Nickel Plate Road.
There was also a highly modified version built for the French National Railways, the SNCF, as class 141R which were a very reliable and good performing class of locomotives, hauling trains ranging from heavy freight to all passenger trains not exceeding 100km/h or 62mph.
Hey! I'm a fan of 587. I didn't know she had been disassembled though. I'm also surprised that you didn't mention the movie she starred in: 587: The Great Train Robbery. I always liked that film. Were you somehow not aware of her movie?
That's what I noticed as well.
@@jimmyhook4852 Finally, folks of culture!
@@alastornightly3312 Heh =3
I have a place in my heart for 587
hope 587 come back sometime in the future she needs a chance to shine and maybe double head with 765
As much as we want 587 to run again, I’d rather her remain retired and on display rather then in pieces in a restoration taking as long as CN 7312
Nah Boston and Maine 3713 has been the longest restoration that’s still going on since 95
Illinois Railway Museum?🤔3rd working steam loco would be nice!👍🏻🚂
You wanna know a sad thing? Before this video, I hadn't even HEARD of 587! But now that I have, I wanna start up a Kickstarter to buy her off of that mysterious owner and bring her back to glory! like, dude, I know the economy sucks right now, but YOU HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY! YOU CAN REBUILD HER!
Do you have the space?
Do you have a long term plan for raising money and maintaining the engine?
Not one mention of 587's Broken whistle (which is now reparied and ALSO in storage but recently blown in Ravenna). That history is in the dark i guess.
And also not one mention of the movie that 587 starred in. :/
587 ran with 624's whistle due to the repairing of its' original. It has since been returned to the Fort Wayne Historical Society, which has 624.
Hey Darkness, can you do a video of Union Pacific Challenger #3985?
An idea for the next video, you should cover pennsey 1361
Who remembers 587's iconic cracked single-note banshee whistle
Dsb R946 was in the same situation and ended up being scrapped
Can you please do a video of Timken 1111? I really want to see a video of the four aces locomotive.
If you know of *Nickel Plate Road **#587* because of *Old No. 587: The Great Train Robbery* from back in 2000, leave my comment a like.
That how I found about her
I tend to watch that movie on the First Day of Summer for me. ^^ I mean... it would make sense for the main timeframe of the movie to be somewhere around during the summer season, when the kids are out of school and all that. :)
She started running during the bicentennial of British settlers coming to down here in Australia
Should do a video on Dierks Forest 207
"...about the only modification that was ever made to her happened in late 1943 when she was given castings from Lima locomotive Works instead of her originals..." Can someone elaborate on this? Castings for what, exactly? Did he mean builder's plates?
I'm honestly surprised ye didn't mention her movie. That's how I knew of her.
Me too
Good looking, well proportioned. If it happened once it can happen again. She'd make an ideal runner for someone.
The 587 is privately owned in Kentucky and the owner has plans for restoration.
I’m more of a 786 and 745 fan, but I do see some significance 587 has here.
That was fast
No mention of her hilarious cracked whistle
just to show how good the design was, in 1946 France puchased 1500 updated versions of these light Mikados, one of which i operate on in Switzerland (1244 141r) and ran them until 1975
please do a video on
the porters steam loco
the Japanese class d5,
the Chinese QJ 2,10,2
or just exsamples of asian trains
how do gear trains work
something on saddle bolier and side tanks (like the big water boxes) tank engines
double ended diesel trains (and electric)
eletric trains
American and European switches other then the British class 07-09
what to do if the train stalls
one talking about the different types of steam funnles and there uses,
a video on steam locomotive combination breaks (steam and vacuum brakes)
a short video on how a Armstrong turn table works
what did train flagman do
what did trains (mostly steam) do when going in tunnels, ive heard of gas masks or just useing a wet cloth, or did they bring in other engines like later on they used electric trains, or were there no bigv tunnels.
evaluation of electric trains
why are some trains wagion tops (the stream lining thing to boilers)
railway terms abd slang
one on the meaning of flag and lantern colors like green on rear engine means theres another one coming soon,
the different types of cut offs/reversers/Johnson bar
some are a big lever, some are a big valve wheel, and ive also seen some that are like rods, one exsample is train sim world 3 and im not sure where to find the other reverser
and how much water do steam trains take usually, and how much would the crew drink
Can you do a video on the General Electric U50 diesel’s?
I would suggest looking into the history of sumpter valley 19 and 20
Last two locomotives built brand new for their railroad, eventually go to Alaska while the tenders go to Central America, almost was gonna be put into a bay and then both are back on pretty much home track with their original tenders.
Not to mention roundhouse fire and a major wreck for one of them
I want to see a video on the progress of C&NW steam locomotive 1385
10:50 me neither! Especialy since 587 is my favorite steam locomotive.
My grandfather work on the Nickel plate rail road and he run 587 Michcity to Indianapolis
I was visiting Kentucky Railroad Museum back in 2022, I had heard of locomotives being restored to operational condition and saw the Nickel Plate Road tender. The following day I had dinner on the RJ Corman "My Old Kentucky Dinner train" when I saw some merch and heard some conversation, and then later discussed with an employee. The rumor I heard was that RJ Corman Co. was in the planning stages to acquire a steam locomotive. I don't know how much of that is true, considering it's me hearing rumors and then putting 2 and 2 together....
Kentucky Railway Museum is currently in the restoration of its own steam engine, the L&N 152. As for R. J. Corman, they donated their locomotive, Old Smokey, to KSHCO. Therefore, I wonder why they would restore 587.
@@danielgoreham6656 ah thank you for the clarification. I wasn’t entirely sure what the scuttle butt was
Surprised the Valley RR in CT hasn’t gotten their hands on it since they love to buy mikados
(Double commenting cause YEET :3)
Still hoping for the video on Frisco 1522. ^^
Relax man, 587's in VERY good hands at KSHC.
Plot Twist:
Jenson pulled a William Afton and came back, and he’s the unidentified individual
I actually have a friend of mine who's relatives knew him, He's also in contact with Ross Rowland founder of the AFT and High Iron Company
@@Railhog2102 Intresting
@@TheGs4_4449 Thomas Dyrek, He's on YT as The Station Agent
Frankly people will happily volunteer our time to help fix these trains .
You used footage from the Indiana Southern Railroad from Indianapolis to Worthington
Can you do the story of 587 sister engine nkp 624
could you do a video of GWR Cathedral Class?
I believe that if the NKP 587 is scrapped. We will see Darkness....... Well.... He will make Darth Vader look like a very nice guy..
It's not scraped in today. It is planned to be restored
I have some experience with the National register, and don't think anything nefarious is going on there. Most likely the nomination was done by the State of Indiana listing the locomotive as having local or regional significance. Once the locomotives permanent location wasn't in Indiana, it would automatically be de-listed. It is now upto Kentucky/the new owner to relist it in Kentucky. If it is even eligible.
YEEEES
FINALY
Cuz of course she was bought by a private individual... Well, we won't see her steam ever again
I swear, I can’t think of this engine without thinking about that dopey low budget movie it was in way back when
How much of a factor is it that the locomotive is no longer in its home state?
Does location matter when it comes to the National Register? Because that could play a role in why it was removed.
On their website, The Indiana Transportation Museum claimed that Logansport IN was the new headquarters. I sent them a message offering to donate my time to relocate, but I did not get a response.
I still remember the movie called the great 587 train robbery
My favorite part about the usra light mikes is they're based on 4501
Actually, 4501 didnt always look like that, when it was first built it looked diffrent, and it wasnt until 1930 it was modefied to its aperance we all know it as today
@@DMIRyellowstoneFan that's not what I meant, SOU did later modify their engines to a more USRA appearance but in turn the USRA based the light mikes off of the Ms, particularly 4501
Can you make a video on someting from eastern Pennsylvania
9:03 you said 581
Neat! I'm dumb.
581 was probably a scrapped sister
You forgot to mention that 587 appeared in the 2000 children's movie... aka Old 587: The Great Train Robbery, @History in the Dark :/
I have a very bad feeling about this. A private person owning her might just decide to scrap her. That would be heart breaking.
I know who owns her he is involved with the leadership of 2716 but I won't say any more about it.
I don't care for his identity, he has a right to his privacy. But the preservation community has long memories about private individuals who owns steam locomotives and either leaves it in a state of neglect or worse, cut it up for proverbial razor blades, thus the concerns from many individuals about # NKP587 is understandable.
@@kristoffermangila if you knew who it is then you would know it is in good hands
@@OldIronVideoThat’s good to hear.
The good news...I know who the owner is.
The bad news...it's the ghost of Alfred E. Perlman!!!
U serious
@@RailPreserver2K Absolutely, positively NOT. I was hoping to "trigger" out hooooooooost into making some off-the-wall short! 🤡🤡🤡💩
Worst is she may become static display
They could've just moved 587 to the Fort Wayne railroad historical Society with 765 was located or the reading & northern they restored 2102 but why not 587 if the owner won't fix her.
Don't know to whom you refer to as "they" as old owner ITM was broke, etc and had no means to do anything hence the sale of 587 to get desperately needed funds for more pressing priorities.
You also have to determine if Ft Wayne, or R&BM, or whoever had space and other resources to take in a non-owned loco along with their other requirements.
The sale to private owner and move to KY Steam Heritage was, at the time (which was an extreme emergency situation), the best of of a bad lot of choices.
For the immediate time being 587, though "in limbo" is NOT in danger of ceasing to exist.
if this anonymous is related to jenson...lets just say...if 587 goes "missing"...this person should...how to put this..."watch his back" if ya know what i mean.
Hey Jensen was better than Gettysburg
If 587 gets scrapped I will level the KY steam area with some NS trains (for legal reasons that is a joke)
Why would a steam locomotive be on a register of historic places? A locomotive is not a place, its a locomotive.
don't care for your metrics ... talk American
You know these videos are for a worldwide audience, right?
@@kristoffermangila it is what it is✌