WHO IS THE TOUGHEST TRAITOR PRIMARCH TO BEAT RIGHT NOW?
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As for that Saturnine duel, this is Dorn's post-analysis:
Dorn nodded. ‘And I mark it as such,’ he admitted. He looked at his brother
ruefully. ‘You know the real irony? Fulgrim could have taken the wall. The
power he has, the Legion strength. The unimaginable daemon gifts. He cut
the wall wide open, brother, wide open. But for a… a stroke of fortune, I
held it closed. Fulgrim got deeper, and faster, than any of them so far.
Excess was his undoing, as ever. The brazen confidence of over-strength.
He threw his whole damn Legion into a space too small.’
Dorn shook his head. He smiled at the Angel sadly.
‘I tell you this plainly, brother,’ he said. ‘If the Warmaster or the Lord of
Iron had ever managed to harness him, he would have won this for them in
a matter of days. He could have been their greatest weapon.’
And it goes to show why the lord of iron when sabotaging the siege first used Fulgrim as the first to fall and then the elite of Horus.
He also got a bit of fun at Fulgrim doing what his legion was forced to do for so long.
I thought that was such a cool part of the book. I really like though how they frame it that the ascended primarchs are so strong but they're always going to get in their own way. It's like a double-edged sword you get the power but there's always a price
@@silent_stalker3687 Perturabo didn't deliberately sabotage the Siege efforts. Where did you read that?
The problem I have with Fulgrim being at the top of the list is that Fulgrim is all Potential. Potentially, he's the greatest theat. Potentially, he could do the most damage. Potentially, he's the toughest to beat... potentially... potentially.
But he's also the one Primarch who might *literally* get bored when he's stymied and then bugger off (potentially a literal statement) somewhere else. NONE of the other Primarchs are as flighty. And that can't be handwaved away. Angron will keep fighting until he's banished because he's the ultimate Jobber of Warhammer 40k - his role is NOT to win, but to make whoever he's fighting look good. Lorgar is underrated because of the Corvus memes, but he's also unrated because he's never written from the perspective of a Warrior. (nor even as a General) Magnus has too great of a weakness - overreliance on Psychic ability - so a suitable squad of sisters of silent is going to counter him hard enough to let someone do the stabby stabby. Perturabo was insanely powerful prior to demonhood ... though let's be a bit honest with ourselves, the Black Library writers were the first Perturabo fanboys and wrote him to be the one carrying the Heresy and Siege on his back, so him taking down Fulgrim AND Angron in one-on-one confrontations is a little bit suspect.
So. Mortarion.
Mortarion is the toughest traitor Primarch to beat. He has one thing none of the others do - the death aura. With EVERY other Traitor Primarch, you can adopt a number of strategies, but with Mortarion, you HAVE to beat him quickly. You can't get into a fight of attrition. You can't try to draw it out. You can't do a death-by-a-thousand-cuts. You have to beat him quickly. You have to beat him decisively. Every second you're in combat with him you're fighting off damage. Every second you're in his vicinity, you're taking damage - double damage when he's monologuing. You spring forward, slice him, spring back - you're taking damage. You parry his blows as you try to maneuver him into a worse position - you take damage. You duck behind a wall - you take damage. You think "Why is a D4 shaped like a caltrop?" - you take damage. Etc. And as of late... it effectively takes the Emperor to banish Mortarion.
I agree. He won against Guiliman and Perturabo.
@@WildGuyNate Dude is at an anime protag level at this point.
I can’t argue with Angrons losses, but I feel like my man has been done dirty. The loss to
lion- lion is very experienced fighting monsters
Sanguinius- it’s Sanguinius.
Perterabo- Angron was new born and from my understanding, perterabo wore him down with his legion first.
For me, I feel like Angron deserves better showings/ writing. Angron only really has combat as a skill. His brain was mutilated. Making him not one of the heavy hitters takes away a lot at value of the character.
Not counting his loses in 40k...
you forgot to mention his loss to Russ although Angron isn't smart enough to realise it.
@@ZooKeeper-pk2xqhe beat russ
@@Khorne__ naw, Russ played possum and led Angron into a death trap. Angron was at Russ's mercy and would have been ended right there but for Russ's big brother attitude. Russ knew exactly how to beat Angron from get go [as he says to Alpharius]. When Lorgar read Angron's mind later his words were along the lines of "never seen a primarch beaten so easily" and still Angron didn't get it. Angron is unfortunately the jobber of the primarchs, and i agree he deserves better, he should ditch the balrog rip off and go back to his original look, much more bad ass, would be taken much more seriously
Lion also had an artifect that was perfect for fighting Angron and led him into a place where Angron couldn't fly.
I'm a Fulgrim fan boy, but I would move Magnus up a little in the list because his defeat against Gulliman was only possible because of the Sisters of Silence. Even GW has said so.
A named space wolf soloed his ass on fenris.
I'd put magnus below spacemarine level.
Yeah, but Khorne helps that wolf @@FROSTAFRICA
Caiaphis no-diffs him solo with bad sleep and poor feng shui
To be fair, GMan still did all the heavy lifting.
I still refuse to believe Alpharius is dead. Mostly for the narrative reasoning, but also the lack of the, for lack of a better term, fireworks.
Same
He isn't dead. Omegon died
Honestly the writing for Alpharius in that book was pretty crap. I just disregard it until they have a better writer address it.
Alpharius and Omegon.
Because every time you think you did.
No you didn't.
Hydra Dominatus
The only certain thing about the Alpha Legion and its primarchs is that Alpharius is dead and the legion is coping.
@@Matihood1 his body died, his mind is in his captain.
@@NemFX xDDD
Considering that when they shared blood with those officers they gained a portion of their power and memories the Primarchs could be said to be living through their legionnaire. @@NemFX
Perturabo
Discounting, Omegon, Alpharius and Horus ...
But not Konrad? 🦇
Let's just be thankful he's not here to be the dummy of the week like all the other daemon primarchs. He died as he lived, like an insane badass.
Pertarabo has never had his ass kicked... he whooped Deamon primarch Angron and smashed Fulgrims face. Pertarabo first among equals and the Lord of Iron!😡
@@derekbidelman2442 Pertarabo had to use his fully armor space marine guard to fight a newly reborn angron....he didn't do it alone. And the only reason he beat fulgrim was because he attacked him from behind. Plus fulgrim was playing him like a violin the whole time.
@zerotwoeto3123 they all wear armor, Perterabo was just smarter, and he bitch slapped Fulgrim and cowed him.
Now he is Chaos undivided like Horus but he knows how to take what they give and not be their slave.
@@derekbidelman2442sorry bro, but hes a bitter old man seething away through the centuries.
@@derekbidelman2442 True, though Mortarion and him fought later on in a battle between the Death Guard and Iron hands, and while it was a fairly even fight, Mortarion won.
@@Mr.WheezerAnd now that has happened and Perturabo has had time to apply his mind to it I expect their next meeting will go differently.
Magnus has never lost in combat to a Great Wolf. Ironhelm was killed by him and Logan landed a single blow before being swept away.
All of the Primarchs get so much plot armour used on or against them there is no real way to compare or score this
For me its absolutly perturabo as the question was stated. He would mastermind destruction like non other. Fulgrim loose alot by being Fulgrim. One sec he is there, then gets bored and leave. That knocks him down to last for me. Mortarion is my nr2
You can't really count his performance at the Siege against Fulgrim. He didn't want to be there; didn't care about any of it, and had the be "true-named" to force his compliance. Give him a scenario that's important to him or Slaanesh and he focuses right up.
Most certainly Perturabo
Any answer other than Perturabo is wrong
Sadly all the traitor primarch are being made to look weaker and weaker as writers use them to prop up other characters because they can't really die.
The Kaldor Drago defeat came from Drago using Mortarions real name. It wasn't a straightforward duel.
Which is stupid considering Perturabo always knew his real name was Perturabo
@@giorgigogolashvili3097 Daemon real names are not their names. They are dozen-syllables hell-words.
Magnus without a doubt
my money is on Pert
I constantly rag on my Imperial Fists buddy, but I do need to give Dorn his due. The principal problem with the Dorn-Fulgrim fight at Saturnine is that we have had almost zero development of Dorn as a swordsman.
The Imperial Fists are known stalwarts of defence, fleet engagements, and Sigismund and the Templar Brethren. The first is the most obvious, the second made clear with the Phalanx, Polux at Phall, and space borne chapters post Heresy. We also saw some of the fleet skill in the Dorn Primarch novel. Outside of the duel in Praetorian of Dorn, which, since it was against Alpharius, is comparatively easy to dismiss, we really do not have examples of Dorns skill with a blade.
I felt Dorns victory over Fulgrim was unearned, but I don't blame Dorn - I blame the writers for never giving Dorn a chance to show why he's the father of the Templars.
Fulgrim would be the toughest in a campaign, but Purty would be the toughest threat overall if he took command.
Magnus only lost on luna due to the aid of the sisters of silence
FULGRIM, he had already outsmarted Guilliman before and he is a duelist he can give an old and slower lion a hard time
The Lion is only old and slower in that novel. He isn't in the "real" lore.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansenbruh.....you are tripping
@@zerotwoeto3123 nope. It is not so much as mentioned once in Arks of Omen or the new Codex. It was a flavor detail in Mike Brooks novel...
Not something the major Lore sources are bound by.
And by that I only refer to slower. He is older in the major Lore too.
No way
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen in my 9 years in the hobby, you are the first person I heard separate the books from the novels in terms of lore.
fullgrim record is simply too clean ... i agree with you he is the hardest to deal with .
He got his ass savagely beaten by Dorn
@@tedhodge4830 he was being a drama queen that day .
I have to cape for my guy Angron a little bit.
Him losing as he does is purely, 1000% narrative copium infused ceramite plot armor for his opponents.
If he were a fighter, a pure killer, as he has been described, there would be too many dead or crippled loyalists for the story to persist in the way the authors want. Sure, all primarchs are mighty, but Angron can't be both the unbridled furious titan of terror raised mutilating opponents in a gladiatorial arena AND be incapable of finishing fights as a victor.
It doesn't make any sense. If the authors were forced to back up the description he is given, he would be undefeated, and I'm bitter about it.
Blood for the blood god, skulls for the skull throne...!!!
Fulgrim got sploded by a vegetable and barely has any sons left, or at least ones that will follow him. Perturabo or Mortarian should be top - hell, it took the Emperor himself possessing Gulliman's dead body to defeat Mortarian
The thing about Magnus is that GW can make him more powerful whenever they want without messing up the lore in any terrible ways. He could just find more of his shards.
Plus I think it would be kind of interesting if the more shards he found, the more it restored his old self. So you could have a Magnus that becomes more of a free agent.
you have to remember that Fulgrim dueled Sigismund and while not in real danger, had trouble because he kept monologuing. He got wounded by an astartes before Dorn even showed up to save his son. I do agree we haven’t seen enough of him in demon form, but I think Perterabo has Always been underestimated as a part of his character. With power added to his body in addition to his top tier intelligence I have to think he’s the top dog
Gotta feel sorry for Angron. His ascension to daemonhood really screwed him over. Not only is he slow as molasses, but he's also dumb as a bag of rocks. It doesn't matter how many times he comes back, he's still going to end up getting smashed.
Fulgrim would be the strongest, if he wasnt so busy getting every hole filled in his pleasure palace.
Magnus. Without Blanks or him deciding to take things slow, you're cooked. He's just gonna flatten you.
Also, Omegon isn't a traitor, so of course he wouldn't appear in a list of traitor primarchs
Peter turbo is the smart kid that had to group up with the idiots in a class project
Peter Parker Turbo, i mean Perturabo, he is strong, he is smart, and still very capable.
You're doing the night haunter dirty, not even a mention
I honestly think that only because of his connection and fanatical drive, Lorgar would have the most plot armor and even if defeated will just come back like that damn cat. Nobody has done more for or against chaos.
People focus too much of physical might. Lorgar may not have had as many planets during the crusade under his belt but they were completely brought into the fold.
Lorgar isn't a hard skills guy he is more of a Magnus / schemer type. It's how he can inspire and keep the fight going longer than most, get the locals to fight for him, turn loyalists into traitors, and when all that is done, a singular need to devote himself to something greater.
when there is no real story out there showing the bad guys winning hard to determine who is the strongest. Its fixed for the good guys in the writings.
Yeah, the Chaos Primarchs in lore mop the floor with any loyalist by lore in a vaccuum. But in the actual fights it is always, the spirit of the emperor intervenes or the khan just gets better or the sisters of silence magically appear. The problem is that the demon primarchs can 'die' and then come back since they are demons, where as, the loyalist (minus vulcan) just die. The Lion can beat Angron because Angron comes back and they both can still exist. Angron slap chops the Lion into a bunch of unforgiven pieces, you have a new plastic model going to legends.
I feel people will fully ignore this fact, the daemon primarch will either act like a dumbass, the person they’re fighting gets some deus ex machina or plot armour, or a mix of both
My boy Lorgar may not be the toughest, but he damn well is the most dangerous.
Alpharius. You're not even looking for him and wouldn't be able to find him if you were.
My bets are definitely Fulgrim and Perty. They have so much tactical know-how and are very skilled warriors in their own right. I can't wait to see them return. Also Rylanor only got his small "win" over Fulgrim via a TS saving his face and allowing the V-bomb to go off. Which hurt Fulgrim in the moment and did little else. I like Rylanor but it isn't much of win over him as anyone who would get hit with it would be liquified.
I can't wait to see what's happened to Perturabo. (I never heard about him losing a campaign to Mortarian I wish I knew more about that)
It was a quick blurb in the Death Guard Codex called Rust and ruin:
"During the fyredust season on Dysactis, a vast Death Guard force advances through the pyroclastic storm fronts in search of the Temple of Ascension. They are met amidst the crackling maelstrom by an enormous force of Iron Warriors, supported by corrupt god-machines from the Legio Abhorrax. Continent-shattering battle ensues. Hordes of Daemons are summoned from the beyond to join the fight. Beneath the gaze of the Cyclonead Statues, Mortarion and Perturabo themselves engage in a spectacular duel that lasts for seven hours. It is a battle reminiscent of the incredible conflicts of the Horus Heresy, and Perturabo’s sons cause terrible damage to the Death Guard force. Yet the longer the fighting rages, the more the contagions and metaliphage poxes of the Death Guard spread through the Iron Warrior ranks. Ancient heretics sicken and collapse. Malevolent war engines seize with rust and shudder, sparking, to a halt. Machine spirits go mad with revulsion and pain, and as the powers of entropy and decay run rampant, the battle swings in Mortarion’s favour.
With his forces in tatters and many of his precious war engines crippled beyond repair, even bitter Perturabo is finally forced to concede defeat. Falling back to pre-prepared defence lines, he detonates a series of explosive trenches amidst the raging storms and disengages in the ensuing mayhem. Badly mauled but triumphant, Mortarion and his Death Guard lay claim to the heathen temple they fought so hard for, and the ancient secrets that lay at its heart."
Fulgrim only beat ferrus because ferrus needed to solo 4 traitor legions fighting waves of traitor astartes being surrounded after the raven guard and salamanders were destroyed. He charged Fulgrim in a disadvantageous position because he knew he was already dead and could mabey kill fulgrim first plus that fight was stupid and ferrus should have won. Also corax destroyed lorgar twice but ran from angron.
also he didnt do it alone, he had a daemon blade ,i think
Fulgrim was killed by a space marine setting off a nuke next to him Rylenor I think.
Perturabo. Everyone underestimates him, and he knows that. He also NEVER fights alone. You will be getting shot by his legion (Angron), or he might just casually drop a nuke on you (Vulcan). Dude is a tactician and would consider a fair 1v1 a failure in strategy.
I think Fulgrim is ridiculously lethal in his Laer form ... But considering what Magnus did to poor Vulcan over and over again, he's the ultimate threat as I see it. I'm not sure how an encounter would be approached if he duels Rob or Lion. He should be able to snap his fingers and poof - just delete them both. I think writers could maybe circle around this with Lion by having Watchers show up to tone down / negate the magic attacks to even the playing field a bit but I don't know how Rob would fare - the Emperor would have to possess him again I think.
It's worth noting that Perturabo himself isn't exactly striding across the galaxy either so I kinda have issues with him being on this list
Justice for Konrad not even a mention in game ended Primarch
Perturabo hands down. At least he is chaos undivided. He gets all the advantages and none of the disadvantages of being under one of those chaos gods.
I would say Fulgrim.
Skill based, i would say Fulgrim. Angron is an incredible brute... but defeated even by old lion. (Ho yes he has a magic shield so he can resist angron... yeaah awesome idea...).
Fulgrim was around the same level as the Khan as a duelist : The best.
And now he is a deamon primarch !!!!
BUT, I remember the little words between Fulgrim and the Kahn, the Kahn telling his brother that "he would win because he would not take it as a game if they had to fight". And well, I guess this still is the kind of weakness of Fulgrim.
So I would finaly say .... Perturabo ! Beacause this one will let NOTHING random. He may not be the best about strength, speed, psychic ability, toughness (well for this part... not sure) but Perturabo fights usually well prepared.
Don’t forget about the nuclear L Rylanor and those thousand sons gave Fulgrim. I like Fulgrim a lot but that loss came directly because of his own ego
Don't forget, Fulgrim remateralized almost instantly, he wasn't banished
Fulgrim got beat by an old man trapped in a sarcophagus
It has to be Magnus for now. He has an empire, a growing dominion and Legion. His defeat on Luna was only accomplished via The Sisters of Silence and the Harlequins.... And they didn't even banish him. Angron is another great pick.... anything less than The Emperor's own power isn't putting him down. He can instantly heal from a Lancestrike.
Magnus is lame, and Angron is just a rabid dog that keeps getting put down.
@@c0ldsh0w3r that is just like... your opinion. Which would you pick then?
@@c0ldsh0w3rboo🍅🍅🍅🍅
for me its Magnus ..power and potential ! (tho his in my top3)
Fulgrim can’t really be hurt so I’d say him
Fulgrim, Perturabo, and Mortarian are the biggest threats individually. Lorgar is a joke without his Legion. Magnus, anything Psyker related he's top tier, anything else he's out of his element. As stated, Angron was always far more of a berserker but has lost all sense of logic and reason since his ascension.
Magnus is the toughtest to beat. Magnus is arrogant yes, but very smart. He will use strategies to beat your armies. And when you get close, if you do, he can beat the shit out of any of the primarch with his abilities. It's a shame the authors use magnus as a stupid vilain. He is always played for laught when in fact he is the most intelligent, the most powerfull psychic, he can shapeshift and he has a very good legion. Magnus is the most difficult to beat in my opinion ( even if magnus is wrong).
Fulgrim never lost to a lesser being? You know that's accurate Rylanor was in fact the greater being.
That wasn't a fight and Fulgrim wasn't harmed in anyway...more like inconvienced.
Honestly there is no good reason for Magnus to ever lose a 1v1 duel against anyone except the strongest of nulls and/or against the big E himself. The dude can quite literally engulf the entire current star system he and his opponent are on into a giant warp storm then escape into the warp. Or just teleport his opponent into the local sun. Or trap them into a pocket dimension for all eternity. These are all things he's done to various opponents over time and it's a mystery why he doesn't spam his most effective attacks over and over again instead of getting into melee combat with superior combatants. The writers have made him wayyyy too powerful and now have to resort to "oh but he's too arrogant" to explain away his mistakes.
Fulgrim is like a crazy sanguinius considering his whole shtik is being a perfect overachiever it makes sense he’d be the most threatening at peak performance. But then again does mortarion have any notable flaws?
Angron is what they call a Jobber
Magnus lost against logan grimnar because of the axe of morkai just deciding to turn back its chaos corruption on
It's a rock paper scissor scenario in my opinion.
For example, Angron lost to Perturabo once, but he's the worse traitor legion for that matchup: because Iron Warriors explode when you reach melee, you shouldn't invest your points into melee, but instead in ways to get there.
Magnus is the one who's taken the most damage and still alive to talk about it.
not even a footnote for Konrad :( Rip Emo Batman
Magnus
Fulgrim got nuked by Rylanor so that's about the same as Morty and Draigo
Fulgrim was fine after the bomb. It did nothing to him really.
Magnus is weaker than Angron. At his full ascended he was forced to kneel by a normal Astartes. Not even Ahriman or Abaddon.
Corax would have slain Lorgar on Isstvan V had Curze not intervened. Don't forget that history. Corax was taking him apart in that fight. Lorgar was very outclassed.
Dirty perty
Objection: Morty isn't out and about. He's currently in Nurgle's basement and unlikely to be out and about any time soon.
I'm so glad my favorite Primarch is dead so they can't prop him up as the villain of the week because he can just come back.
And to be fair for Angron against Perturabo I did get the feeling that he didn't want to be there at all and just wanted to die. I remember thinking that Angron only relented because Perturabo swore to basically fight and die with him. That really resonated with him. I'm not sure why people shit on Angron for this. I thought it was an awesome scene.
I believe that before Magnus was shattered he was the strongest Primarch, but now he’s just not who he used to be
Perturabo, they all just don’t know it yet
I hate how the Black Library doesn’t make Angron a top tier combatant. He deserves that much being the tool of the Chaos God of martial prowess. I get that they want to boost up the Lion with a fancy shield, I get that they want to show off Perturabo’s intellect, I get that they want to jack off Sanguinius, but god damn give him a win against somebody for his own sake.
You're sleeping on Fulgrim, I'd say he's one of the strongest contenders for toughest. You have to consider he was at the least tied for 2nd in speed amongst primarchs (Khan would be #1 and #2 would be a toss up between Kurze, the lion, and maybe corax). I think he's slightly faster than the Lion or Kurze in terms of speed, but the speed at which they go from perceiving something to a decisive action is faster than Fulgrim. So he is faster but they have the advantage in being able to start the tiniest bit earlier (precognition/instinct). BUT REMEMBER even lowly cultists of slaanesh have been shown to see the world in bullet time due to their overclocked brain on top of being granted low tier eldar levels of alacrity. Now imagine how ridiculously fast fulgrim must be when you add on Slaanesh boosting him and the biomechanics of his new body. Imagine how ridiculous his range is if you look at videos of snakes striking and the size of his body. This isn't even including his lack of stipulations on use of sorcery and any other warp based buffs.
well we know it is not Lorgar, cause Corax would have killed him the second he would have left the warp
I think the toughest traitor to beat would vary depending on the circumstances (ie magnus vs papa smurf and the sisters.)
If Roboute and/or the Lion would be in a straight up 1v1 against the Traitor Primarchs I would personally rank them in this order:
1. Mortarion (not only a decent fighters, but also capable of using warp powers and having an entire Legion at his command)
2. Magnus (just looking at what he did to Vulkan the moment he had the chance to)
3. Perturabo (not only a great strategist, but also quite a capable duelist and not bored of fighting like Fulgrim)
4. Fulgrim
5. Angron
6. Lorgar
But in the end it doesn't even matter how tough the Primarch is, because GW will always create a situation in which the loyalist will ultimately triumph.
Demon angron is like one of those weeble wobbles you keep puting him down but he just comes back . While counting the other fights against him I wouldn’t count the sang fight it’s sanguinious anything short of like a 5 v one or Horus at the hight of his having body used as a Beale for all 4 of the gods abd still until he started to draw on the power of the 4 and injured exhausted sang was keeping up with him
Angron got Worf-effected to hell.
I understand how you got to your conclusion, but I'll always say Perturabo
For me you need strenght for angron agility for fulgrim intelligence for magnus but for mortarion the only way to beat him is with the emperor.
Or the khan
The hammer of Olympus.
One trick pony?? Don't forget about that time Magnus punched out Leman's heart!! Why does everyone always forget that?
Magnus. Realistically speaking he’s the most powerful traitor Primarch by far
Snek or the one you ignored, Kurze. Kurze is fucking monster man, people sleep on how dangerous Kurze is. He almost killed 4 primarchs in one book on his own ffs.
Fulgrim couldnt have fun fighting Dorn, he would have lost.
Like the Joker trying to get a laugh out of Batman
You could make a very convincing case that its Lorgar. Guy has all 4 chaos gods for sugar daddies. And unless you had a huge Emperor-ex-machina, I don't think youre ever beating him. Especially with Chaos being so supercharged right now.
Plus, if youre looking for someone who would do the greatest damage to the Imperium, I think the person who literally wrote the book on their entire religion has a big case. I dont see any other primarch matching that kind of damage.
Didnt Abbadon make Lorgar bow to him? Lorgar is only conniving, no real skills or powers worth speaking of.
Kaw, kaw, mf.
He could be, but he's a whiny little baby.
Perturabo or Mortarion physically; Angron and Magnus mentally.
Before watching, im guess Fulgrim, lets see if my guess is right.
Wow, am i early? Interesting topic, i guess it would be the chaos united primarchs- Horus was unbeatable when all four chaos gods were pushing their power into him for his fight against the emperor of mankind.
Pure power? Outside of gross power nerfing by the writers it would have to be Magnus. He is next to the emperor in power. Stated by the emperor as that's his purpose. He is just so powerful that like Thor in Marvel, have to tie his hands to make it fair.
Clearly it's Alpharius. He's so good at his craft he convinced y'all he's been dead for 10.000 years ;-)
Me personally, I think Morty and Magni are tied for strongest traitors.
Angron is the Avatar of Khaine of the traitor primarchs.
I agree. It has to be Fulgrim.
The thing is... Angrom for example he will lose. Period. Becouse hes imortal.
Good guys are not imortals. But in the end in the combat vs the Lion he lost the 1 x 1, but he won the battle by achieving his objective.
Tbh no Traitor Primarch is tough at that point because GW really wrote themself into a corner in the attempt to promote more Space Marines. It reminds me a bit of WWE Wrestling where the traitor primarchs are little more than a heel jobber to bring the loyalist primarch over to the crowd. And since there were no primarchs left they used them to promote any other random spacemarine captain. Hell i bet that even Kommisar Gaunt would beat up all traitor primarchs at once, only armed with a diaper if it would help selling GW more Imperial Army modells.
Their "ascension" is potrayed as a massive power boost but in reality its only a tool to recycle them over and over again. And even storywise its just stupid to be a Demon Primarch because all it takes to bring u down are some random grey knights (coincidentally when the new Grey Knights Codes gets released) or ur real name. And it sucks to be a Demon whose name even a toddler knows.
So in my opinion the toughest Primarch to beat was Conrad Curse because he was smart enough to let himself get written out of that mess before GW made him into a punchline.
17:30 the answer is Henry Cavill
I haven’t seen the video just yet, so will edit once I have
From purely an imperium vs primarch standpoint, you have to consider the stylistic matchup.
Angron would be more susceptible to be taken out via orbital bombardment, even without some form of baiting to a location, whereas primarchs like magnus, perturabo and maybe even Mortarion should survive that. Whereas a pure physical duel with no equipment vs a loyalist primarch (without plot armour) angron would probably fare better than the bonbardment.
I was gonna bring up sisters of silence for magnus, but I guess they would affect all of them (I guess perturabo and angron would fare better against them)
Imo magnus should be the hardest to kill based on psyker powers displayed by him and weaker psykers: he can stop time; predict the future; become intangible to let bullets pass through him; transmute substances (including the breathable air); heal; defend with telekinesis.
Mortarion’s probably pretty up there as well, as he’s the most tanky primarch, would have a crazy aura of diesease so not much would get close, would probably have to be orbital striked, but he’s also a latent psyker so probably would have some future sight to maybe move from an orbital strike
Perturabo imo would have the best tactics, and best technology, and would probably be like fighting vashtorr or necrons- your tech would fail you, which is mainly what the imperium would use for combat- he would probably have armour that can mostly rank anything the imperium throws at him
I dunno much about lorgar, but I have an idea that he’s the second strongest daemon primarch psyker, and I think he’s the one who would use daemon summoning the most, so he could even the numbers in battle
Fulgrim, I feel stylistically would do the worst against a big force and be one of the best against strong enemies, due to fighting style (prioritising torturing his opponent) although his healing before he became a daemon was one of the best, and he also has psyker powers, and he’s most likely the quickest (unless time stop is in play), so maybe he could escape from an orbital strike: or just enjoy the feel on his face
Grey knight imo would have more of an advantage against the ones who don’t use psychic powers as much (angron and perty) and sisters of silence would have the advantage more against the more psychically inclined (magnus and lorgar)
i agree on fulgrim too
Doesn't being able to tank an entire planets worth of fire power and blow up said planet count for something I mean if the lion didn't have the shield he would have died on his debut. Angron is definitely the toughest....but the dumbest.