My reasons for using software over hardware (not only for MIDI but also for amp sims and FX) is because my work requires me to travel constantly so I carry my headless Steinberger guitar, Windows laptop, iPad and a small audio interface, all fits in my carry-on, I hope version 3 is released soon for Windows and iOS
Hi Alex. I'm interested into your approach. Do you have a video talking about this or an article? What music do you play? I'm interested in the sound quality and also the huge diverse possibilities of software. Thanks!
I have a similar setup for my most mobile stuff. And I also prefer to have everything (including Amp sims and fx) on the computer, and preferably saved down to the patches when possible. And I too hope that MG3 is coming to all platforms soon enough, but that is completely out of my hands, unfortunately. 👍
@@federicotarquinimusica No, I'm not a youtuber but LoFiLeif has several videos with a similar setup, my only suggestion different from LoFiLeaf is the audio interface, I have the iConnectivity Audio4C which is small and lets me use 2 devices at the same time, so this is great to send audio back and forth my Windows laptop and iPad and process audio in any or both at the same time
I’m waiting for the day when I can do all of this(as well as use all of my Kontakt libraries and Omnisphere) with my iPhone. I live in a van and have limited power from a solar panel and can’t always run my laptop for very long or even have it with me all of the time when it could be stolen. I use the Boss Katana Air, which is a very portable amp with lots of effects. It’s really cool for traveling around and playing in the park or in the woods but I always wish I could have all of my midi stuff too. The pace at which technology progresses makes me think we’re close to what I described but we’ll see…
Oooooh! This is going on my Christmas list! I remember when Cakewalk came out with the first (I think) guitar MIDI controller that you put under the strings of your guitar. They eventually abandoned this approach because it was clunky and never really emulated the sound of a guitar. Instead, they focused on perfecting their DAW, which I used for years, but I've been looking at interfaces and feel that none of them do what I want. The possibilities with this little gem are awesome, and I wish I'd known about MIDI Guitar 2, cuz I woulda been all the way on board with that! (My professor told me about this today, and literally, goosebumps!)
So why not have Christmas come early and get on board right now? The beta testing is open for anyone to take part. You don't need to report anything, or even sign up I think. Just head on over to the JamOrigin beta page and take a look in the DOWNLOADS section for a demo, and there is no need to feel you have missed out on anything. If you need a video to start with I have this overview: ruclips.net/video/x_OUNKdIE20/видео.html And after that you can probably start exploring the possibilities of MIDI Guitar 3. I also have videos on the interface and all the modules and stuff we have up until now. Just go through this channel starting with this, perhaps? ruclips.net/video/TBhyLVOL-_k/видео.html
AMAZING video. I just discovered MIDI fx for electric instruments yesterday. My girlfriend is a professional violinist and is getting an electric violin this christmas, and I was looking for some cool guitar fx she could apply to it and found out about the existance of this kind of software, which absolutely blew my mind (I play bass and guitar and did not know any of this was actually possible lol). When I first loaded up guitar midi 2 I was totally blown away. I was watching your video thinking "this is amazing and all but it looks so complicated, I wonder if there's a good beginners guide somewhere"... and I scrolled a bit and found you actually have a lot of videos covering this! Again, really amazing video and thanks for sharing your knowledge!! Edit: I got carried away and forgot I actually had a question for you lol. what plugin are you using for that virtual upright bass? It sounded extremely well, wanna try it on my bass hah
Hi Maximo! Thank you for your kind words and congrats to having found this software. It is really something else, once you get into it. Now, the important stuff first, this software is going to be available for your girlfriend as well (in a violin version). It is not here yet, but when it comes (as a beta) it will show up in the DOWNLOAD section of this page, which is the same page where you should go if you want to try MIDI Guitar 3 as well. It is free to try for everyone. www.jamorigin.com/beta/ Now to you question about the bass: that is an AmpleSound Upright bass I am using there. One of my favorites. www.amplesound.net/en/pro-pd.asp?id=21 I've just started up a Patreon if you feel you have some questions you want to discuss. patreon.com/LoFiLeif But I also answer stuff here obviously 😄
In the past, I'd used Mel 9 and others in the line, that simulate different instruments, but felt hamstrung by the fact your recording could not be altered. I love the midi guitar software for orchestrating songs.
It is great for so many reasons! You can rearrange or retune on the fly, as you are performing, or you can do it after the fact, when everything is recorded! And that is not even scratching the surface. 😀👍
Can you, please, tell if MG3 can *output* MIDI? Hence, is it possible to use MG3 to control someting which is not "mounted" to this program itself, for example a VST instrument mounted in my DAW, or can I record its output to a MIDI track? EDIT: aaah, I see, you said about it at 16:25
Yes, yes and yes are the simple answers to your questions. MG3 has a MIDI output device that you can place anywhere on any of the chains, and anything that can input MIDI (as your VSTs in standalone or in a DAW) or even an external synth can use that MIDI/MPE.
Thanks Peter! 🙏 I have been meaning to at least throw this software vs. hardware question out there for a while, but I haven't had the time. To be honest, I expected a lot more backlash from the hardware defender side of the community. This is, after all, the internets. But I guess, there is still time?😊
Nope, just this "old" one. The wired version wasn't really interesting anyway since I started looking at FTP because it was wireless. By the time they released the "connect" version, I was already a devoted JamOrigin(er) 👍
You're timing couldn't have been better. Just yesterday, I was lamenting not having a good solution for playing MIDI via my guitar. I've looked at the various hardware solutions, but the expense, guitar modifications, and less than stellar results were unacceptable. Software MIDI solutions didn't fare much better due to various types of pitch accuracy issues, and constraints on how to play the guitar for good MIDI translation. MIDI Guitar 2 caught my attention about a year ago, and that was when I had real hope that good MIDI via a regular guitar could be achievable soon. MIDI Guitar 3 looks like that day is arriving. Do you know about when it will be available on Windows to try it out? Thanks for all your great videos on MIDI for guitar. Your expertise, knowledge, pragmatic approach, and Demos show there is a viable way forward for those of us who prefer Software solutions. Thanks
Oh, thank you for all those kind words. And I am really happy to be in the right place at the right time with this video too. I feel there are many like you, that are looking around just to find very little. I feel that myself when looking for great videos on what different solutions offer. There Is very little to go by, if anything. I really wish I could give everyone that ask about PC and Windows a date or at least an estimate, but I have nothing, sorry to say. The best advice I can give you is to keep an eye on the JamOrigin beta page, because that is where anything official about the MG3 development will be announced first. 👍 www.jamorigin.com/beta/
Great stuff! I'll have to try MIDI Guitar 3 when it comes out for Windows, I wasn't too impressed with the second iteration compared to my Fishman TriplePlay Connect.
What an amazing creation!!! Is the alt tuning functionality available in MG3 beta, if not WHEN? This feature solves the midi guitar software conundrum for me! I’m still using my VG-99 precisely because of multiple custom tunings.
There is a RETUNER module in MG3 now, where you can incrementally change any or all of the individual pitches of any octave split (between 6-18 notes) of your choice . You can also load tuning files into it, changing tuning/temperament that way. If you are thinking of alternate tunings like DADGAD and such, MG# doesn't recognize strings. It only recognize pitches, and any group of pitches can be retuned or harmonized in particular ways, but traditional retuning will have to wait until/if MIDI Guitar 3 get hexPU support.
Why not both? I already have the hardware, and plan to buy Midi Guitar 3…. Also, I just bought a Roland VG99: this is a different paradigm that goes beyond simple MIDI conversion: take an hexaphonic signal and transform it into whatever guitar you want… creative possibilities multiply then… A question: does MIDI Guitar 3 work with hexaphonic signals from hardware? (That would be the best of both worlds!)
What I talked about in this video was my personal reasons for choosing the software alternative going forward. And it is not meant as a jab at anyone choosing something else. I believe there is room for all of us to exist and set up in whatever way we like. MY reasons for choosing software were 1)Portability and 2) Sound. I own the VG8, the VG99, the GR55, the GP10 and stuff like the WP20G still. There is no sound in any of those that I can't replicate (to some degree of accuracy) if I feel like it. So there is no uniqueness factor there. The MIDI output from any of those units (that can output MID) is not as good as the MG3 MIDI of today, so that is not an argument. Then there is the overview argument when creating sounds: I can sit with all synths/instruments open in one view rather than fiddling my way through submenus to submenus. So that is my reasoning. It does of course not stop here, but you get my point. To your question: No, the MG3 software doesn't work with a HexPU at this point, but take a look at the forum posts and you will see that the developer has talked about it as a potential addition. 👍
@@lofileif I agree that the software provides better note tracking or expressivity, that’s why I mentioned I plan to buy Midi guitar 3. I didn’t buy the VG 99 (and previously a VG8) for its MIDI conversion, but for its capability as a single-string audio processor (where tracking it’s not an issue). That, I believe, is the real strength of VG technology. MIDI conversion was never good enough for transmitting the nuances of guitar playing, imho.
First off, let me state for the record, I loved the VG99 for as long as I used it. Not for its MIDI OUT, but for all the possibilities to create patches with weird tunings and whatnot. I can still use the GP10 for the purpose of being able to assign separate instruments to separate strings, but nowadays I use 6 instances of the MG2 software in MONOmode at the receiving end of the 6 audio streams I can get out of the hexPU via the GP10 USB OUT. So as far as single-string processing goes I am too using something else than Roland's sounds. But as you mentioned in your first post, it is indeed a combination of the Roland hardware and the JamOrigin software as a best-of-both-worlds solution. But It can also be done with a breakout cable into a 6-channel audio interface with the same result. But it always sounds like I am putting the Roland stuff down, and that is not my intention. I loved the Acoustic sounds of the VG8 tank, and the magic that was my first entry into guitar synths with the GR33. It is just that it was then, this is now. I understand to appreciate both. 👍
You Rock 🤘😀🤘 @lofileif and Jamorigin! Thank you for your videos and comments And also using Ample Bass Jaco Fretless + Ample Bass Upright o this one. Best regards from AmpleSound 💕❤ Will contact you Soon . Have a great Weekend!
Thanks Jason! Yeah, it became something of an Ample Sound fest this time, with the Jaco bass that I have played almost every day since I purchased it, But also the Patitucci TR6, and the Hellrazer. The right is of course one of my goto instruments for jazzier ECM stuff as well. Have a great weekend as well! 🙏👍
The breath controller is just that, a controller. And if you want to control something (anything with MG3) in real-time, you need some controller. Mg3 has a lot of ways of varying the dynamics, with the help of modulators and stuff, but if you want deliberate control you also need another controller. But you can use a pedal if you like. Not the same precision, but it does the job.
@@lofileif thank you !! The sound of the others instrument are included in the software or you have to upload the sound for example kontakt or other? Do you know the price of jam origin 3 for Mac ?
Any sounds I use here are my own VSTs. There are some instruments that comes with MG3, and there are some great free synths like Surge XT and some stuff from U-He (Trple cheese and a couple of others) if you don't have anything to start with. The price is 149 Dollars or Euro I believe. Owners of MG2 will get MG3 as an upgrade for free, and then they have both MG2 (and MIDI Bass with comes with that purchase) and MG3 once it is being released. You also get to join the beta testing group at once if you are interested in that. 👍
I started with a Roland GR synth, and went on to the Roland and Axon guitar-to-midi interfaces. It opened a new world for me, and I sold my hardware units back when Jamorigin MidiGuitar 2 came out. I was actually worried I couldn't sell it, if people had discovered there was a software solution. My experience was that MidiGuitar 2 was that is was least equal in latency and response to my old hardware units, but for a lot less money, and a lot simpler to set up. Now MidiGuitar 3 is absolutely best-practice gear for midi guitar, imo, just fantastic. I never play live with it, though, as midi guitar got me interested in learning keyboards (which I have to a basic level), but I use midi guitar to record, frequently. Love playing lead synths and sampled orchestral instruments on guitar!
Sounds awesome. I also have a rekindled interest in Synths from starting to dig deeper into virtual instruments, but unlike you I never learned to play keyboards good enough for me to wanting to preform with them. 😀👍
@@lofileif Yeah, well I only feel confident to perform with guitars, but enjoy recording keys and synths played with midi guitar. You play midi guitar like no other I've seen, you should def perform with that if you don't do it already.
Looks really promising! Can I ask how the breath controller connection is done? I mean what breath controller you use and how is it connected with the computer or interface ? thanks! great content as usual
Sure! The Breathcontroller is connected via USB to the computer (although I am using a WIDI Uhost with a powerbank sewn into my guitar strap to get that wireless connection. Bur here is a video the actual controller. MIDI Guitar 2 and the TEControl BBC2 Breath controller - explaining that mouth thing ruclips.net/video/fnj5Q_kjpdM/видео.html
I looked into midi guitar 2 a few years back but my aging MBP was way below specs. Recently bought an M1 MacBook Air, my main focus these days being MPC Live2 & Akai Force along with various guitars and vocals. Question is, Will Midi guitar 2, and 3 work on M1 'Air' (low spec 8gig ram a pensioner budget special) Also, and if so, would 2 come with automatic upgrade to 3, or should I just wait for 3. Would download demo of 2 as a test but that may exclude a demo of 3, so would I be best to just wait for 3 before trying.
Hi Stephen! MG2 will definetly work, and for most uses MG3 on an M1 computer should be fine. But it all depends on what instrument you are going to play, and a lot of other factors, like sometimes real-time control over some instruments parameters is unreasonably CPU hungry. My advice is always, don't take anybody's word for it - try the demo instead. And I believe you (as a Mac user ) can get both versions demos right now. Way down on the page. look for Downloads (but this is still in beta, just so you know) www.jamorigin.com/beta/ And here is the "old" MG2 demo: www.jamorigin.com/download/
@@lofileif Thanks. Guess I'll just try the demo of both and see what works for me. Mainly interested in using guitar to play 3rd party instruments in Live and MPC.
Hey - I am here again. Not sure if you saw my response to our other thread. But no worries - you don't need to respond back. But I have another question for you. May be you can share some thoughts. Is there any difference in MIDI output quality between these two workflows. 1. Record in a track of a DAW a regular acoustic guitar. A single line melody or polyphony. Then use MIDI guitar 3 plugin and have it detect the MIDI notes and generate them in another track. vs. 2. Setup the MIDI guitar 3 plugin and have it generate MIDI from live playing. Will the result be exactly same or one may have less quality because of any technical reasons? Why I am asking this. I don't have a silent guitar right now. No electric guitar as well. I have one acoustic with a pickup though. It is convenient to use a silent guitar to test out MIDI performance live because the acoustic noise will not confuse me. But if workflow #1 is just as good then I can simply record my guitar. And then convert it to MIDI. I don't need to buy another silent/electric guitar.
The big difference between the two methods is probably in how we can alter and amend our playing (input) to yield better results when listening to what the output of the triggered instrument really sounds like. Not all instruments are triggered alike, and there are important dynamics settings that might help us out too. I generally don't suggest recording something for MIDI purposes without listening to the whole chain (also the triggered output), but of course it is possible to take a recorded instrument WAV file and have MG3 convert that to MIDI after the fact. Any resonance, anywhere in the signal chain, will be slightly detrimental to the result with either method.
@@lofileif I like the thought that based on live performance, we have the option to change playing dynamics for better results which is not available in the after the fact workflow. Thank you. So do you think, if I want to test out the Jamorigin MIDI guitar 3 with its fullest potential I should look for a silent electric guitar (or just regular electric guitars)? I don't play steel string guitars, only nylon. But I have a steel string acoustic with a pick up. If a silent guitar is useful I would shop for a nylon strung silent guitar with a pickup.
@jeetray11 The MIDI Guitar software is trained on and made to work for electrig guitars. So an electric guitar, humbucker PU bright strong signall Check this out: ruclips.net/video/x_OUNKdIE20/видео.htmlsi=8pjBQF3Pg2je96rC
I'm stuck between going the software route and hardware route. I'd prefer hardware for the hands-on feel and knob turning, but being locked into a 6 string or ~4 octaves for the GK5 pickup is a huge turnoff. I play 8 string guitars for more range to transcribe songs from film and video games. I guess if I'm ending up in Cubase or Ableton anyway, I might as well use a hybrid setup: MIDI Guitar 2 + some VSTs (Komplete 14 CE), and run a Radial EXTC Stereo for an effects loop of guitar pedals.
To each his own. We all do what feels best for us. I am not comfortable with any 8-string. Luckily, it seems, as most setups struggle with extended range instruments. I can still access the same low tunings, of course, but retuning the output. And I love the idea of having everything already set up in patches, and just connect my instrument and controllers. But it is just a matter of taste I think. I am to old to be carrying a lot of gear around. I rather show up with just a computer and a guitar. 👴💻🎸
Sometimes this is the most springtime we get around here. Better make the best of it? (Actually it isn't that cold either - the tuning on my guitar stops being reliable under 5 degrees (celsius) so it is almost certainly 7-8 now) JamOrigin has not mentioned any date yet. You can follow the JamOrigin beta page to get all the latest news. www.jamorigin.com/beta/
Incredible: can it connect to Guitar Pro. I want to make guitar videos and have the Guitar Pro NECK included in my video so the viewers can see what I am playing. Is that possible because that would be the deciding factor on whether or not to buy it. Great playing by the way. Thanks,
It connects to GP8, but I don't know if there is a way to get the note/string info right for what you are looking to use iy for. I tried it with a 13 pin GK guitar and the MG3 HEX tracker which sends out the per string MIDI on MIDI channels 2-7 right now. But I don't have the time to check if GP8 has the required settings for being able to change twhat channels it is listening on? Check with the MIDI Guitar forum. I am pretty sure there is someone there who use this and would know. jamosapien.com
If you are talking about the GR55 MIDI OUT vs the JamOrigin MG3 MIDI functionality, pretty bad. It has more latency and is also dynamically truncated and compressed. So, you’ll be hard pressed to find and virtual intruments that handles well with that. But as always, this is my OPINION. 😀👍
I did all the Roland GK3, still have a few guitars with 13-pin, mostly for my SY-1000. However, I also play keys, and now with MPE and polyphonic aftertouch, keyboards can also be expressive. For expressive keyboard control, MPE, I use a KMI Kboard-Pro-4, 48-keys, usually for leads; for everything else velocity and mono aftertouch - both common - work fine. Unfortunately MIDI keyboard controllers and keyboards that support MPE, poly AT, are few, and often expensive, but should be more common in a few years. FWIW, I don't use my keyboards to sound like guitars, and vice versa. Finally having true expression with MPE capable keyboards is great, and I no longer follow or care about guitar synths such as the GM-800. Keeping my SY-1000 and SY-300 because I have guitars with GK3/13-pin, and patches I created. IMO
It is awesome. If you haven't already, go download the Surge XT synth. It is free, and has a lot of functions including MPE and also MTS-ESP for cool retuning stuff.
@@lofileif Been making music for almost 20 years so I own a lot of software and hardware synths… I love using Imagine by expressive e (with touche) which is mpe capable, just need to experiment more with midi guitar 3 I guess :)
@TomislavRupic Imagine is a great physical modeling instrument with a lot of expressive options, but it is not MPE. Touché is just a four CC controller sending on CC16-19, so any instrument you control with it (Lié, Noisy, Imagine or the UVI Touché presets) are easy to set up in MG3 as well. Expressive É has some MPE soundsets out however. Patchwork for UVI Falcon and the Phase Plant expressive suite.
I had some Roland stuff on guitar but nowadays using Jam origin. It`s good, my only problem now is to find the axe that could fit my backpack so I could play and record midi stuff while far from home. None of those so called travel guitars isn`t compact enough🙂
Sadly I’ve struggled with latest MIDIGTR software despite having a very powerful and incredibly fast MacPro tower. I’m currently having more success with Fishman TriplePlay. But I am very open to working on this…. regards from London 🇬🇧
Well, it is still in beta, so I would have been surprised to see no setups having issues or struggling with the software during development. With that said, I am sorry to hear of your negative inital experience, it is always better if everything works straight out of the box of course. What was the latest MG3 betaversion you tried, if I may ask?
If you are on a Mac, you can join in today. It is still in the beta testing phase though. If you are on a PC or iPad you'll have to wait. All avalible info at www.jamorigin.com/beta/
I JUST started down this rabbit hole a few weeks ago! Got midiguitar 2 up and running on the iPad and now SWAM instruments are on deck! Any chance you could help with routing an expression pedal to various parameters in a SWAM Auv3 (in loopy pro would be precisely what im trying to do, however any exposure to midi mapping the pedal to an auv3 instance would be pointing me in the right direction)? [Edit: tangential question - which parameters are best for the expression pedal? Is it one for all SWAM instruments or does it change from one to another?]
Welcome down! 🤝 I don't know anything about Loopy Pro, I am afraid, but for all SWAM instruments in general the only parameter that needs a controller assigned is Expression. So if you "only" have one pedal it is that you should target. Check on the forum, for other users using Loopy Pro. I think I've seen discussions about it there. jamosapien.com
@@lofileif wonderful thank you so much! I had assumed Expression would be the obvious option, but my ignorance has lead me astray like that in the past, so much appreciated Eventually a breath controller is an endgame dream (thanks to your vids) but I should be able to cover my needs with what I have (for now lol) Any useful parameters recommended with an addional sustain pedal (along side the already established expression pedal)?
Fantastic software for extending the reach for guitar players. I have eliminated my Fishman Triple Play and find the tracking is better and more flexible.
I mainly play guitar with my Surface Pro live using plugins. I use Cantabile as a live host and can easily change to any sound I want, so MIDI guitar 2 has been great for controlling virtual instruments.
Yes, there have certainly been a couple of great gig rigs like Cantabile, Camelot and Gig Performer already. But I am curious to see if most of the work you use to do in those isn't going to end up in MG3 eventually? It will certainly be interesting to hear how MIDI Guitar users in general choose to handle the new possibilities. As an add-on to an already existing rig (not to rock the boat), or just make a clean switch to a new setup altogether. 🧐
@@lofileif When the Windows version of MIDI Guitar 3 comes on line, I will assess the hosting issue. Cantabile has a nice pre-load function which means no delays between presets which MG2 didn't have.
There is no such function in MIDI Guitar 3 at this point (although it has been discussed), so I guess you'll stay with your setup even if you switch to MG3. It is a really nice feature though, so I hope we will get it in MG3 eventually. 👍
Yes? Well, with MIDI Guitar 3 you just use the MIDI OUTPUT module, and connect the computer to whatever you wish to control. And you can use MIDI 1.0 or MPE depending on what synth you are playing.
I believe everything is in the video already, but here goes: Nothing goes on the guitar per se, you use your traditional guitar cable to get your traditional guitar audio into the audio interface (using your standard pickups on your guitar - no MIDI). Audio is converted into MIDI inside the computer with the help of the JamOrigin software MIDI Guitar 2/3. I sometimes use a wireless Audio transmitter to send that signal though. I have settled on the Xvive U2 receiver/transmitter, but there is no research put into comparing alternatives. Those were what was available. I am using wireless MIDI to send my breath controller MIDI to the computer as well, and for that I am using the CME WIDI Uhost within the confines of my studio. Were I to hit the stage I would probably go for the sturdier and more long-range Panda Audio midiBeam setup that I also own. This is a little more than was in this video, but I have videos on almost everything on this channel if you are interested. 👍
@@lofileif thanks so much that clear things up for me. here's something you might be interested in. I did a Cd a while back using nothing but balloons...no samples. lots of fun ruclips.net/video/Q9TkOXKqR0M/видео.html
Bro - if I have to make a guess - you are the main designer and engineer for JamOrigin MIDI guitar. Am I right? Your talk kind of gives it away. I have been desperate to get my hands on a reliable MIDI guitar solution for years and couldn't find anything yet. I tried JamOrigin MIDI guitar (I think 2) about 2 years ago and it was clunky and generated too much spurious notes that I wasn't even playing. I have been since then convinced that audio to MIDI is just not going to work. Because from audio signal there is just no way to know what are harmonics and what actual fret was pressed. So some kind of fret detection would be the most ideal. But for the reasons you provided, too pricey and also not as reliable and clunky guitar interface that prohibits me to play my most comfortable instrument are definitely reasons to push the software solution hard. The thing is there is no limit how much one can push software. And now there is AI that may have a potential use to apply on get better accuracy. I pray hard for you guys to land something that serves my purpose. Clean MIDI notes from my guitar, only the notes that I pluck. Thank you for taking up this challenge!!! Oh - in this video I liked your headless black guitar. Can you share the model name please.
Hi! Well, I hate to disappoint you right off the bat, but no, I am not the designer and engineer behind this product. I am just a guy like you who tried this software a couple of years ago (2018), but I guess I went in the opposite direction. I loved it, picked it up, and haven't put it down since. But to be fair this was the second time around for me. I tried it in 2015 (i think) and just as you I wasn't all that impressed, and went on to buy a lot more expensive hardware for a couple of more years. Nowadays I am pretty convinced audio to MIDI can do pretty astonishing stuff, even if it can't recognize where you are on your neck (yet). But is that really necessary though? Think of it like this, we have six separate strings, and on neither of these strings can you find the same exact pitch twice. There might be a way to identify unique identities after all? Just saying. There is absolutely a limit to how much you can push software and it is decided by our physical nature, but I won't go into that since it is a rather tedious discussion to have here. You are free to try the software in its current stage of development of course. If you visit the beta page and look in the Downloads section you can grab a trial version for yourself. www.jamorigin.com/beta/ But if you do, do yourself a favor and check out the introduction videos on this playlist to ensure you know about the most important stuff: ruclips.net/p/PL16hx1uHz4KGftYcNGQUdFDdaqyWrV3-O And lastly. The guitar is a Carvin HH2x (Holdsworth model)
@@lofileif - Ouch - a bad guess in a long time. I think you were saying 'we did this' - some use of 'we' about the JamOrigin product. May be I was hearing it wrong. Thank you for the quick reply on the guitar model and sharing your thoughts about some of my comments. Does the MIDI guitar need to know what string, what fret was pressed? NO. But, my comment was probably a bit confusing about fret detection. What I wanted to say - if the string and fret is known and the tuning is known the pitch can be rendered as a MIDI note with 100% accuracy. This is where the fret recognition part was relevant from my comment. If the software need to detect it from audio signal, it has too much unwanted audio info that increases the chance of mis-recognition and generating more than one pitch and other errors. I still believe using whatever technical knowledge I have (which is far from sufficient) that audio to pitch is a problematic approach. MIDI keyboards never had to deal with audio to pitch approach - that is why they have been always reliable. What I don't understand is why people cannot still make a simple MIDI guitar using whatever sensor technology to detect string, fret position and force to generate MIDI information. It is just beyond me. Jammy from Ukraine were going in the right direction but recently they got shutdown for War or whatever. I don't have money to try the expensive MIDI guitars that are 2K or higher. I got a Jamstik+ recently and that doesn't even work on Windows/Reaper. It works on Iphone and it uses Infrared sensing and magnetic pickup sort of stuff and still has issues with spurious notes especially on Polyphony. I am a software engineer for 30+ years. When I meant software can be pushed infinitely - I didn't mean it can push beyond physical limitation. Software cannot disintegrate you and send you to North Pole at the speed of light and reassemble you. I assumed this wouldn't need an explanation. By 'there is no limit how much software can be pushed' I simply meant that it can be iterated indefinitely to acquire higher precision. Just look at AI's current state which is nothing but software and algorithms and data and it can take a prompt and make a movie or Mozart's 80th symphony. What I was thinking when I wrote it - is if pitch can be reliably detected from the audio signal - and if we understand audio signal extremely well that it is possible to extract the pitch 100% reliably - then it can be achieved eventually through software. But if there is an intrinsic problem that cannot be solved - then this is a dead-end approach. Then we have to go back to that sensor/scanning approach. What kind of intrinsic problem we are talking about here. Let me give an analogy. If I give you just a number say 7 and ask you to recognize the two numbers I added up to get 7 - you can never reliably tell me those numbers. It can be 2 + 5 or 4 + 3 or many other variations. Imagine the audio signal has data that can potentially contain information of two different pitches say C and G and both are equally strong. Then software cannot detect it reliably. Thank you!
I am by no means an expert on MainStage. It would help to know what you want to use the footcontroller for? There are some examples in this video, but it is hardly exhaustive. ruclips.net/video/BXQzKjZ4UyY/видео.html
I recently got a Boss GX 100 which also has an optional BT connection and MIDI Input /Output , send and return capabilities and I'm interested in creating synth sounds via this device. I have Midi Guitar 2 SW but haven't yet tried to connect both systems. Before I get into it have you had the possibility to connect both or are you aware of any inherent difficulties that may occur?
Hi! I am sorry to say I don't know anything about that unit. The only question I perhaps could answer is if you have any specific uses in mind, especially related to MG2 (or why not 3, it is free for you if you own MG2)?
I’ve been using Midi Guitar 2 with my Mac and iPad for years now. With my current gigging setup, I use my Quad Cortex as an audio interface into my iPad with AUM running Midi Guitar 2. Will Midi Guitar 3 be released for IOS anytime soon?
@@lofileif Thanks for your reply. Your videos are so detail oriented that I was assuming you were the developer. I see now that you aren’t. Great job with the videos, though! My only complaint about the new version is that it seems a whole lot more complicated than Midi Guitar 2. Quite the learning curve, but I guess that’s to be expected with the vast amount of additions and improvements to an already great piece of software. Thanks again!
I have had a minor part in helping the developer out (JamOrigin) with some feed backing during the last years of this process. I guess that helps out a little when it comes to knowing some of the details? About the MG3 complexity; I believe it will be easier to get started with MG3 compared to how I remember my own tackling MG2.While there is really nothing special here you NEED to do to get started, there is of course a whole bunch of stuff you CAN do in MG3 once you are up and running. Time will probably tell me if I am wrong here, but I think MG3 is really more accessible that much of the competition, because everything is on the surface. There are very few settings in hidden menus, and stuff like this. 👍
It is up to you! If you do, you will have two different systems to the price of one. You'll get MG2 (and MIDI Bass) now, and later MG3 for free .That goes for everyone that has purchased the "full" desktop version. Those that purchase later will get just MG3 as fara as I know. 👍
I disagree... by investing in MG2 now you get a the current production version, which is arguably better than most of the hardware options in the market. But in addition, if you use Mac you already get free early access to the beta MG3, which is fully functional and brings all of the extra dimensions Leif has been demonstrating in recent videos
@@lofileif if the purchase of MG2 grants the right to upgrade to MG3 as well then it is a no brainer… 👍..thanks for the reply 🙏 and respect for your ingenuity… I was feeling kinda limited since my main instrument is guitar but you opened many possibilities in my mind and made me think about the guitar just as an “instrument” as it should be 👍👍
Any news on Midi Guitar 3 for IOS? I’ve invested a quite a bit of money in apps for my iPad and was using Camelot for a bit. Also not sure if Midi Guitar 3 will work on my main music Mac as it’s running on High Sierra currently as that’s the latest OS it will run.
@lofileif I certainly did!!! Oh boy I am having so much fun. This thing is just amazing. I am so impressed! Been building all kinds of patches :-) Hey I just had a funny idea. It would be cool if you could play magic chords (user defined) to change state. Like enabling or disabling racks or whatever. Maybe you can already do this. Just a random thought. The looper is cool too!! Love it so much!! ❤️🚀💫
Hey, welcome onboard! 🤝 Yeah, there is a lot of stuff here already, and there is more stuff added all the time. No "Magic Chords" to change states yet, but there are a couple of ways to do this with pedal of course. CC14-15 is by default assigned to patch UP/DOWN and JamOrigin is working ofn Program change messages to be implemented fully throughout. And that will certainly help. I am a little hesitant to ask jamOrigin for more at this point since I know the focus is on getting MG3 past the beta phase. There is going to be a way to use lua scripts to personalize your workflow too, so I'll just wait and see what eventually end up in the finished version.
No, sorry! But everything I do is live. I don’t go in and fix anything afterward, if that is what you are thinking about. But maybe you are concened with stuff like monitoring or how to set up on stage?
@@lofileif Thanks! I mean best practices for connecting a computer to a PA. In my case, I want to take advantage of a live setup where I use Guitar Rig amp/cab sims, in addition to soft synth midi control. I have a Boss GP10 and GK midi pickup.
@danielhornbeck6588 Yeah, no such videos on this channel I am afraid. But everything I do is meant to be possible for live purposes, so hopefully there are some takeaways somewhere anyway. 😀👍
I have a Jamstick studio midi guitar (connects via usb-c or Bluetooth) & I also have Midi Guitar 3. I can only play my Jamstick midi guitar at 64 samples before latency starts to become a factor, whereas using my actual guitar running through Midi guitar 3 software, can run at 256 samples and still have near abouts the same latency. Much more headroom with CPU, and tracks unbelievably well!
Hi Sam! I am so glad to hear the honest opinion /report from an actual user of any of the rival systems (that I haven't had a chance to try for myself yet). Often I feel MIDI Guitarists assume an almost unreasonably protective stance in favor of the system they invested in. And aI can understand that. It is a leap of faith, and often at a considerable cost. So you probably don't wan to hear of anything else being better, even if only at stuff not really considered to be that particular setup's strong point. Therefore I find your report exceptionally refreshing, and thank you very much for it! 🙏🙏🙏
@@lofileif mate, all I’m after is the best product, and MG3 is a game changer. I was wondering if you might be open to making a video, detailing the best way to set up a guitar for tracking in MG3 (string size, dampening techniques, gates) all of that
@@samuelallenmusic Maybe later! Since the product isn't even finished yet it seems a bit premature to do a video now already. Besides, I must confess I have a pretty busy schedule just keeping up with presenting all the new features😀
What about fishman tripleplay pickup compared to midi guitar 3? I mean, Jamstick is probably not the best reference point for "midi hardware technology". What puzzles me with the former comment is, when playing any midi instrument I have (either thru usb or directly midi cable into the soundcard) to put the lowest sample possible. Every single time I go above 64 there is noticeable latency. Latency is not related to midi, but all sounds coming out of my soundcard. So being able to play without latency at 256 sample, I don't believe it at all. Please enlight me !
I know. I have been trying to get one (here in Sweden) for some time now, but not even music instrument retailers have considered picking these up. So I am left with the choice to take a leap of faith, and order one. But frankly, I haven't seen one video yet that would convince me of it being worth it, so I am holding out, waving for perhaps a used one to appear somewhere reasonably close. It is not like I expect it to be better than MG3 anyway, but I would like one to be able to compare for myself. 👍
@@lofileif exactly the same thing i feel, i emailed them about this as well, let's see what they reply, I need to see the jamstik being used entering midi with no video editing, their videos are not clear enough for me to purchase one. I asked them do to a lead solo mpe instrument with a few different melody lines, and then i asked them to also do a synth with chords for us in a video, raw with no fancy editing, they could upload it as a short
Good, hopefully it will make a difference. Tell them to send me a Jamstik, and I'll make sure to record something that isn't just a two second snippet on a NewYork balcony 😊
@@lofileif they replied and said they will do some videos of raw midi recording.. we'll see. I mean , i want the thing to work. It's been at NAAM for a few years now.. i don't think it's just BS , i think it does work good but their marketing is horrible.
@Maplefoxx-vl2ew I agree. I don’t believe it is junk either. But one problem is the reliance on influencers making most of their videos. We always get to know everthing about the allen keys and softcases and stuff, but never about the important stuff (MIDI dynamics and MPE capabilities, for instance) And I don’t know if it is because the instrument/controller can’t deliver, or if it is because the influencers that can’t use a MIDI controller. Some of them obviously know how to play guitar, but that really doesn’t isn’t enough. But, yeah, lets see what they come up with. I am still willing to give it a try if it shows up on my doorstep, (or somewhere near) 😀👍
I don't know actually. If you are using Mac I believe you vcan get a working demo right now on the beta page. www.jamorigin.com/beta/ But if you are on any other platform, JamOrigin is working on getting there. And as far as purchasing goes, it probably needs to go through the beta testing phase on all platforms first before it is released. And yes, if you have (or buy) MIDI Guitar 2 now the update to v3 will be free! 😀👍
@@lofileif Great thanks for your answer. (I am on PC so windows 10 for the moment). But, I will certainely buy the MIDIGuitar 2 and upgrade after. I hesitate but if you say it will be free...so nice and perfect.
Kudos! I never used mine at all. I bought it while I was still using my VG99 a lot (which I still like) but I couldn't seem to agree with the GR55. Glad to hear from someone that did though. 👍
No, sorry. I will of course tell everyone as soon as I know, but for now I suggest everyone interested keep an eye on the JamOrigin beta page for the latest info. www.jamorigin.com/beta/
There is not so much I can do here, I am afraid. It is a high priority task for JamOrigin to get that out, so check out the beta page for all available information and news about the status of development process. www.jamorigin.com/beta/
@@lofileif Please tell Jam Origin to make the MG3 Windows & iOS progress more visible. In all honesty my one issue with not going with MG2 a few years ago was the lack of being able to tell how supported it is. IOW, is this just some developers pet project or is it serious and will be supported far into the future. I feel confident that the later is the case especially with the announcement of MG3, but it still seems like there’s not enough resources available for development. Without getting into a Windows vs. Mac debate, I’m surprised that both platforms were not being developed simultaneously. Or even Windows taking precedence over Mac. Mac no longer holds the creative world hostage. Regardless, I’m very interested and excited to get working with MG3. In case your wondering why not get started with MG2? I have other ways to get midi guitar sounds now and would rather start fresh with what seems like a very significant upgrade in features and UI. Thanks.
@@AudioAtmos Hi! Of course, I'll pass on your very sensible request for greater visibility concerning the iOS/Wimdows status in the development process. I am taking the brunt from that lack of information anyway as every third comment I respond to concerns precisely that. Regarding the company, it IS indeed a one-man production. But you should probably not question his resolve to deliver the best possible product, as MG3 has been seven years in the making and still it is going to be free for all previous MG2 users. The reason for starting developing and testing for Mac and porting to iOS and Windows later is his decision, and I guess it is as simple as a strategy to handle feedback and troubleshooting. I'll let him know how you feel, but out of curiosity, where have you searched for information? And where do you think it should be, to be easily found, in your opinion?
@@lofileif Thanks! I’m subscribed to the Jam Origin forum and was following it for a while, but back about 2 months ago it seemed that the Windows version was some time out. I had signed up to be a beta tester for the Windows version, but never received any information. I have lots of irons in the fire so things like this will get sidetracked and sort of forgotten. To answer your question post on the forum. Maybe make a thread regarding platform support and the progress towards it. Basically, I’m subscribed to your channel and when I saw this video pop up I got excited thinking it was further along and maybe a release candidate was available. I understand that you’re just a very enthusiastic user (which is great) and I don’t think or meant to imply you have influence on the company. I love what you do and follow your progress as time permits. I have been very close to pulling the trigger on MG2, but as mentioned I have other ways to do pitch to midi synth guitar right now, (Fractal Audio Systems Modeler) but I’m always looking for better ways and more options. Thanks again!!👍
@AudioAtmos Yeah! I saw your post on the forum right now. Good to hear you have a solution you are happy with too. I just might have to take a look at that. 👍
I am NOT the developer, but I have had the great pleasure of being able to test versions of MG3 during the last years of its development. Jamorigin is the company developing this software. www.jamorigin.com
Plan B is just collecting dust at this point. A fun backdrop for all of us who knows anything about it, but while their guitar simulations are still ok, alterate tunings won’t be a problem for MG3 going forward. Can’t disclose too much at this point though! 😀👍
@@lofileif do you maybe know what is the technology behind VG roland guitar which makes strat sound like telecaster, or changing their tunings without pitch artifacts? are they using advanced pitch shifters?
I guess you are thinking about their modeling, and no I can't say I do. There are a bunch of guys that would be a able to filly in on it over at www.vguitarforums.com/smf/ 😀
They tend to make the guitar sound "Casio". I'm still about 90% on the IDEA that the keyboard is the midi. But there are a few sounds that fit guitar use. More so if there are two guitarist and no keyboardist.
Thanks for the profound information about the vast possibilities of MIDI Guitar 3 - if one wants to go down the more synth oriented rabbit hole, I totally agree with your view. I am however more traditionally oriented as sounds and playing technique are concerned and have found a combination of hardware (BOSS GM-800) and software (Gig Performer 4) to be my favorite solution. I control my patch settings in the hardware and can use all combinations of virtual instruments and plugins inside of Gig Performer - I even use it for my vocal effects and pickup guitar sound. So I guess that hard- and software aren’t mutually exclusive when playing MIDI guitar. Best wishes, Eddie
HI Ediie! Of course you are right in that there isn't any hard line between hardware and software, really. This video is more a chance to present a perspective that really hasn't been a viable alternative up until now. The idea of saving it all in one patch on a computer, everything from the MIDI triggering to the acoustic side of Amp sims and Impulse responses. But I have great respect for anyone that have found a setup they are happy with, and I am by no means claiming to have anything better. Just something else, perhaps? Keep up you great work, my friend. 🤝👍
@@lofileif Hi Leif, I absolutely agree with you - I am glad for anyone who has found a MIDI Guitar setup that works for them. I just wanted to mention a viable alternative as a hybrid approach. Keep your fine videos coming and all the best to you!🙏👍
It already exist. You can use the MODULATORS envelopes to connect to anything where I would use my breathcontroller,. But to get that interesting you should probably combine two envelopes, like the Pressure (aftertouch) with something else.. This will be the subject for my next video, so keep an eye out for that. 👍
@@lofileif WHAT ima try that right now!! lol the way I made it work is I have aftertouch on and I made a midi clip with some movement and nothing else in ableton and play it in a loop and send it to the channel SWAM is on 😂 I'm using the FCB 1010, gigperformer + Midi Guitar 2 and Ableton =)
@@lofileif it works but now I keep getting a stuck key in SWAM.. I think I need to program a panic button on my pedal board or something that was a fun 30sec of eeeeEEEEeeeee what the heck why??? 😂😂
I play 5 or 6 voice jazz chords. Is MG3 really that good at polyphony? I still work with hex pickup, GP-10 into Ableton and MG2 on each channel to convert to Midi.
Good or not is going to be depending on HOW you play those I would say. If you are a clean picker/strummer like Joe Pass or Jim Hall you can get away with almost everything. I use five/six notes in my chords all the time (and I am NO Joe Pass 😄), and the difference from using MG2 is incredible. Will it beat the clarity/sparation in a hexPU setup? I don't know, you have to try for yourself to see if it is what you are looking for. But I brings out the dynamic nuances in a way that isn't achievable with any hexPU that I have tried. So, try it before you buy it, is my advice. 👍
It is nice that you can try it as a demo. I played with the v2 and it was not capable of understanding harmonic minor seconds (it gets mad). Also, some specific voicings triggered fake notes (try the voicing "A G C D" - from bottom to top - plucking the strings at the same time with fingers, I got a low G which wasn't present)
No problem! We will have to wait and see when it comes to the support for extended range guitars. The lower we go, the harder it gets to get the tracker to deliver great results. 😀👍
Yep, there is latency with MG2, and it still is with MG3. But much less. It will be up to you to feel if that is still an issue for you once you get to try it. Zero latency in this software isn't even a feasible option, with the analysis of your guitar audio involved and all. 👍
@@lofileif Yep, already watch it. Just downloaded version 2 demo to give it a try with the patches it comes with. For instance I noticed with the piano, some notes of the scale are not playing. Also to use Kontakt libraries or VST instruments do you need to use a DAW or load the VST directly in Midi Guitar?
I guess you are asking: can I use a nylon string guitar with this software? You probably can, but since one of the most important factors for getting great tracking is brightnesss, I wouldn't expect any absolut stellar results. But it will cost you nothing to try when the demo is available for your platform of choice. Right now it is only Mac.
This software will work with either platform. There is a demo/trial version for both Mac and PC if you go to the betapage and look at the DOWNLOAD section. www.jamorigin.com/beta/ I use a Mac Studio M1 Max nowadays.
I am sure you can still experience the occasional rouge notes, depending on setup and playing style. It would be crazy to state otherwise. It is after all still a pitch to MIDI conversion process we are talking about. But is it a problem? Not for me, and once you’ve tried the demo you will know if it is or isn’t for you as well. 😀👍
Haha! God no! The developer is a talented guy, whereas I am just a electrician moonlighting as a guitar player with special interests. I have been involved somewhat in the development process, opining on functions and smaller stuff, but if you want to get in touch with the developer himself, look for JamO on the MIDI Guitar forum. 👍jamosapien.com
@@lofileif you're also a very talented guy - in addition to your guitar playing, you have a great way of explaining things. some developers struggle with that :-)
Been using this for my compositions I hated the piano layout and always wanted to use my guitar as a midi controller this is simply awesome 👏
This guy is a self motivated GENIUS and a highly gifted Musician too. Incredible!
Thank you 🙏 🙏🙏
My reasons for using software over hardware (not only for MIDI but also for amp sims and FX) is because my work requires me to travel constantly so I carry my headless Steinberger guitar, Windows laptop, iPad and a small audio interface, all fits in my carry-on, I hope version 3 is released soon for Windows and iOS
Hi Alex. I'm interested into your approach. Do you have a video talking about this or an article? What music do you play? I'm interested in the sound quality and also the huge diverse possibilities of software. Thanks!
I have a similar setup for my most mobile stuff. And I also prefer to have everything (including Amp sims and fx) on the computer, and preferably saved down to the patches when possible. And I too hope that MG3 is coming to all platforms soon enough, but that is completely out of my hands, unfortunately. 👍
@@federicotarquinimusica No, I'm not a youtuber but LoFiLeif has several videos with a similar setup, my only suggestion different from LoFiLeaf is the audio interface, I have the iConnectivity Audio4C which is small and lets me use 2 devices at the same time, so this is great to send audio back and forth my Windows laptop and iPad and process audio in any or both at the same time
@@Alex_Martz Thanks!
@@lofileif Great. Do you have videos on amps/fx (software) on you channel? Great information! Cheers from Argentina
I’m waiting for the day when I can do all of this(as well as use all of my Kontakt libraries and Omnisphere) with my iPhone. I live in a van and have limited power from a solar panel and can’t always run my laptop for very long or even have it with me all of the time when it could be stolen. I use the Boss Katana Air, which is a very portable amp with lots of effects. It’s really cool for traveling around and playing in the park or in the woods but I always wish I could have all of my midi stuff too. The pace at which technology progresses makes me think we’re close to what I described but we’ll see…
Yeah, lets hope for all of this to be possible real soon! 👍
Can't wait for it to be officially available!
I know! Let's hope it doesn't take too long! 👍
Oooooh! This is going on my Christmas list! I remember when Cakewalk came out with the first (I think) guitar MIDI controller that you put under the strings of your guitar. They eventually abandoned this approach because it was clunky and never really emulated the sound of a guitar. Instead, they focused on perfecting their DAW, which I used for years, but I've been looking at interfaces and feel that none of them do what I want. The possibilities with this little gem are awesome, and I wish I'd known about MIDI Guitar 2, cuz I woulda been all the way on board with that! (My professor told me about this today, and literally, goosebumps!)
So why not have Christmas come early and get on board right now? The beta testing is open for anyone to take part. You don't need to report anything, or even sign up I think. Just head on over to the JamOrigin beta page and take a look in the DOWNLOADS section for a demo, and there is no need to feel you have missed out on anything. If you need a video to start with I have this overview:
ruclips.net/video/x_OUNKdIE20/видео.html
And after that you can probably start exploring the possibilities of MIDI Guitar 3. I also have videos on the interface and all the modules and stuff we have up until now. Just go through this channel starting with this, perhaps?
ruclips.net/video/TBhyLVOL-_k/видео.html
AMAZING video. I just discovered MIDI fx for electric instruments yesterday. My girlfriend is a professional violinist and is getting an electric violin this christmas, and I was looking for some cool guitar fx she could apply to it and found out about the existance of this kind of software, which absolutely blew my mind (I play bass and guitar and did not know any of this was actually possible lol). When I first loaded up guitar midi 2 I was totally blown away.
I was watching your video thinking "this is amazing and all but it looks so complicated, I wonder if there's a good beginners guide somewhere"... and I scrolled a bit and found you actually have a lot of videos covering this!
Again, really amazing video and thanks for sharing your knowledge!!
Edit: I got carried away and forgot I actually had a question for you lol. what plugin are you using for that virtual upright bass? It sounded extremely well, wanna try it on my bass hah
Hi Maximo! Thank you for your kind words and congrats to having found this software. It is really something else, once you get into it. Now, the important stuff first, this software is going to be available for your girlfriend as well (in a violin version). It is not here yet, but when it comes (as a beta) it will show up in the DOWNLOAD section of this page, which is the same page where you should go if you want to try MIDI Guitar 3 as well. It is free to try for everyone.
www.jamorigin.com/beta/
Now to you question about the bass: that is an AmpleSound Upright bass I am using there. One of my favorites.
www.amplesound.net/en/pro-pd.asp?id=21
I've just started up a Patreon if you feel you have some questions you want to discuss.
patreon.com/LoFiLeif
But I also answer stuff here obviously 😄
In the past, I'd used Mel 9 and others in the line, that simulate different instruments, but felt hamstrung by the fact your recording could not be altered. I love the midi guitar software for orchestrating songs.
It is great for so many reasons! You can rearrange or retune on the fly, as you are performing, or you can do it after the fact, when everything is recorded! And that is not even scratching the surface. 😀👍
@@lofileif I'm a huge fan of this software tool, thanks again!
Can you, please, tell if MG3 can *output* MIDI? Hence, is it possible to use MG3 to control someting which is not "mounted" to this program itself, for example a VST instrument mounted in my DAW, or can I record its output to a MIDI track?
EDIT: aaah, I see, you said about it at 16:25
Yes, yes and yes are the simple answers to your questions. MG3 has a MIDI output device that you can place anywhere on any of the chains, and anything that can input MIDI (as your VSTs in standalone or in a DAW) or even an external synth can use that MIDI/MPE.
Yet another great overview
Thanks Peter! 🙏 I have been meaning to at least throw this software vs. hardware question out there for a while, but I haven't had the time. To be honest, I expected a lot more backlash from the hardware defender side of the community. This is, after all, the internets. But I guess, there is still time?😊
4:40 but FTP have also a wires version "FTP connect" w/o dongle... You tested this one?
Nope, just this "old" one. The wired version wasn't really interesting anyway since I started looking at FTP because it was wireless. By the time they released the "connect" version, I was already a devoted JamOrigin(er) 👍
@@lofileif
GK have 13 pin (DIN)
FTP have 4 pin (USB)
It's a testing time
@@sepic5407 You are way too cryptic. I have no idea what you mean.
You're timing couldn't have been better. Just yesterday, I was lamenting not having a good solution for playing MIDI via my guitar. I've looked at the various hardware solutions, but the expense, guitar modifications, and less than stellar results were unacceptable. Software MIDI solutions didn't fare much better due to various types of pitch accuracy issues, and constraints on how to play the guitar for good MIDI translation.
MIDI Guitar 2 caught my attention about a year ago, and that was when I had real hope that good MIDI via a regular guitar could be achievable soon. MIDI Guitar 3 looks like that day is arriving. Do you know about when it will be available on Windows to try it out?
Thanks for all your great videos on MIDI for guitar. Your expertise, knowledge, pragmatic approach, and Demos show there is a viable way forward for those of us who prefer Software solutions. Thanks
Oh, thank you for all those kind words. And I am really happy to be in the right place at the right time with this video too. I feel there are many like you, that are looking around just to find very little. I feel that myself when looking for great videos on what different solutions offer. There Is very little to go by, if anything.
I really wish I could give everyone that ask about PC and Windows a date or at least an estimate, but I have nothing, sorry to say. The best advice I can give you is to keep an eye on the JamOrigin beta page, because that is where anything official about the MG3 development will be announced first. 👍
www.jamorigin.com/beta/
Great stuff! I'll have to try MIDI Guitar 3 when it comes out for Windows, I wasn't too impressed with the second iteration compared to my Fishman TriplePlay Connect.
Yeah, let's see if this isn't a step up from that at least? 👍
What are you blowing into at 7:00?
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What an amazing creation!!! Is the alt tuning functionality available in MG3 beta, if not WHEN? This feature solves the midi guitar software conundrum for me! I’m still using my VG-99 precisely because of multiple custom tunings.
There is a RETUNER module in MG3 now, where you can incrementally change any or all of the individual pitches of any octave split (between 6-18 notes) of your choice . You can also load tuning files into it, changing tuning/temperament that way. If you are thinking of alternate tunings like DADGAD and such, MG# doesn't recognize strings. It only recognize pitches, and any group of pitches can be retuned or harmonized in particular ways, but traditional retuning will have to wait until/if MIDI Guitar 3 get hexPU support.
Why not both? I already have the hardware, and plan to buy Midi Guitar 3…. Also, I just bought a Roland VG99: this is a different paradigm that goes beyond simple MIDI conversion: take an hexaphonic signal and transform it into whatever guitar you want… creative possibilities multiply then… A question: does MIDI Guitar 3 work with hexaphonic signals from hardware? (That would be the best of both worlds!)
What I talked about in this video was my personal reasons for choosing the software alternative going forward. And it is not meant as a jab at anyone choosing something else. I believe there is room for all of us to exist and set up in whatever way we like. MY reasons for choosing software were 1)Portability and 2) Sound. I own the VG8, the VG99, the GR55, the GP10 and stuff like the WP20G still. There is no sound in any of those that I can't replicate (to some degree of accuracy) if I feel like it. So there is no uniqueness factor there. The MIDI output from any of those units (that can output MID) is not as good as the MG3 MIDI of today, so that is not an argument. Then there is the overview argument when creating sounds: I can sit with all synths/instruments open in one view rather than fiddling my way through submenus to submenus. So that is my reasoning. It does of course not stop here, but you get my point.
To your question: No, the MG3 software doesn't work with a HexPU at this point, but take a look at the forum posts and you will see that the developer has talked about it as a potential addition. 👍
@@lofileif I agree that the software provides better note tracking or expressivity, that’s why I mentioned I plan to buy Midi guitar 3. I didn’t buy the VG 99 (and previously a VG8) for its MIDI conversion, but for its capability as a single-string audio processor (where tracking it’s not an issue). That, I believe, is the real strength of VG technology. MIDI conversion was never good enough for transmitting the nuances of guitar playing, imho.
First off, let me state for the record, I loved the VG99 for as long as I used it. Not for its MIDI OUT, but for all the possibilities to create patches with weird tunings and whatnot. I can still use the GP10 for the purpose of being able to assign separate instruments to separate strings, but nowadays I use 6 instances of the MG2 software in MONOmode at the receiving end of the 6 audio streams I can get out of the hexPU via the GP10 USB OUT. So as far as single-string processing goes I am too using something else than Roland's sounds. But as you mentioned in your first post, it is indeed a combination of the Roland hardware and the JamOrigin software as a best-of-both-worlds solution. But It can also be done with a breakout cable into a 6-channel audio interface with the same result.
But it always sounds like I am putting the Roland stuff down, and that is not my intention. I loved the Acoustic sounds of the VG8 tank, and the magic that was my first entry into guitar synths with the GR33. It is just that it was then, this is now. I understand to appreciate both. 👍
You Rock 🤘😀🤘 @lofileif and Jamorigin! Thank you for your videos and comments And also using Ample Bass Jaco Fretless + Ample Bass Upright o this one. Best regards from AmpleSound 💕❤ Will contact you Soon . Have a great Weekend!
Thanks Jason! Yeah, it became something of an Ample Sound fest this time, with the Jaco bass that I have played almost every day since I purchased it, But also the Patitucci TR6, and the Hellrazer. The right is of course one of my goto instruments for jazzier ECM stuff as well. Have a great weekend as well! 🙏👍
Fantastic! I have a question… with jam origin 3 can you have the same dynamic on the guitar without the device you use with your mouth ?
The breath controller is just that, a controller. And if you want to control something (anything with MG3) in real-time, you need some controller. Mg3 has a lot of ways of varying the dynamics, with the help of modulators and stuff, but if you want deliberate control you also need another controller. But you can use a pedal if you like. Not the same precision, but it does the job.
@@lofileif thank you !!
The sound of the others instrument are included in the software
or you have to upload the sound for example kontakt or other?
Do you know the price of jam origin 3 for Mac ?
Any sounds I use here are my own VSTs. There are some instruments that comes with MG3, and there are some great free synths like Surge XT and some stuff from U-He (Trple cheese and a couple of others) if you don't have anything to start with. The price is 149 Dollars or Euro I believe. Owners of MG2 will get MG3 as an upgrade for free, and then they have both MG2 (and MIDI Bass with comes with that purchase) and MG3 once it is being released. You also get to join the beta testing group at once if you are interested in that. 👍
I started with a Roland GR synth, and went on to the Roland and Axon guitar-to-midi interfaces. It opened a new world for me, and I sold my hardware units back when Jamorigin MidiGuitar 2 came out. I was actually worried I couldn't sell it, if people had discovered there was a software solution. My experience was that MidiGuitar 2 was that is was least equal in latency and response to my old hardware units, but for a lot less money, and a lot simpler to set up. Now MidiGuitar 3 is absolutely best-practice gear for midi guitar, imo, just fantastic. I never play live with it, though, as midi guitar got me interested in learning keyboards (which I have to a basic level), but I use midi guitar to record, frequently. Love playing lead synths and sampled orchestral instruments on guitar!
Sounds awesome. I also have a rekindled interest in Synths from starting to dig deeper into virtual instruments, but unlike you I never learned to play keyboards good enough for me to wanting to preform with them. 😀👍
@@lofileif Yeah, well I only feel confident to perform with guitars, but enjoy recording keys and synths played with midi guitar. You play midi guitar like no other I've seen, you should def perform with that if you don't do it already.
Looks really promising! Can I ask how the breath controller connection is done? I mean what breath controller you use and how is it connected with the computer or interface ? thanks! great content as usual
Sure! The Breathcontroller is connected via USB to the computer (although I am using a WIDI Uhost with a powerbank sewn into my guitar strap to get that wireless connection. Bur here is a video the actual controller. MIDI Guitar 2 and the TEControl BBC2 Breath controller - explaining that mouth thing
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I looked into midi guitar 2 a few years back but my aging MBP was way below specs. Recently bought an M1 MacBook Air, my main focus these days being MPC Live2 & Akai Force along with various guitars and vocals. Question is, Will Midi guitar 2, and 3 work on M1 'Air' (low spec 8gig ram a pensioner budget special) Also, and if so, would 2 come with automatic upgrade to 3, or should I just wait for 3. Would download demo of 2 as a test but that may exclude a demo of 3, so would I be best to just wait for 3 before trying.
Hi Stephen! MG2 will definetly work, and for most uses MG3 on an M1 computer should be fine. But it all depends on what instrument you are going to play, and a lot of other factors, like sometimes real-time control over some instruments parameters is unreasonably CPU hungry. My advice is always, don't take anybody's word for it - try the demo instead. And I believe you (as a Mac user ) can get both versions demos right now. Way down on the page. look for Downloads (but this is still in beta, just so you know) www.jamorigin.com/beta/
And here is the "old" MG2 demo:
www.jamorigin.com/download/
These are different apps, so you can have both installed side by side.
@@lofileif Thanks. Guess I'll just try the demo of both and see what works for me. Mainly interested in using guitar to play 3rd party instruments in Live and MPC.
Hey - I am here again. Not sure if you saw my response to our other thread. But no worries - you don't need to respond back. But I have another question for you. May be you can share some thoughts.
Is there any difference in MIDI output quality between these two workflows.
1. Record in a track of a DAW a regular acoustic guitar. A single line melody or polyphony. Then use MIDI guitar 3 plugin and have it detect the MIDI notes and generate them in another track.
vs.
2. Setup the MIDI guitar 3 plugin and have it generate MIDI from live playing.
Will the result be exactly same or one may have less quality because of any technical reasons?
Why I am asking this.
I don't have a silent guitar right now. No electric guitar as well. I have one acoustic with a pickup though. It is convenient to use a silent guitar to test out MIDI performance live because the acoustic noise will not confuse me. But if workflow #1 is just as good then I can simply record my guitar. And then convert it to MIDI. I don't need to buy another silent/electric guitar.
The big difference between the two methods is probably in how we can alter and amend our playing (input) to yield better results when listening to what the output of the triggered instrument really sounds like. Not all instruments are triggered alike, and there are important dynamics settings that might help us out too. I generally don't suggest recording something for MIDI purposes without listening to the whole chain (also the triggered output), but of course it is possible to take a recorded instrument WAV file and have MG3 convert that to MIDI after the fact. Any resonance, anywhere in the signal chain, will be slightly detrimental to the result with either method.
@@lofileif I like the thought that based on live performance, we have the option to change playing dynamics for better results which is not available in the after the fact workflow. Thank you. So do you think, if I want to test out the Jamorigin MIDI guitar 3 with its fullest potential I should look for a silent electric guitar (or just regular electric guitars)? I don't play steel string guitars, only nylon. But I have a steel string acoustic with a pick up. If a silent guitar is useful I would shop for a nylon strung silent guitar with a pickup.
@jeetray11 The MIDI Guitar software is trained on and made to work for electrig guitars. So an electric guitar, humbucker PU bright strong signall Check this out: ruclips.net/video/x_OUNKdIE20/видео.htmlsi=8pjBQF3Pg2je96rC
I'm stuck between going the software route and hardware route. I'd prefer hardware for the hands-on feel and knob turning, but being locked into a 6 string or ~4 octaves for the GK5 pickup is a huge turnoff. I play 8 string guitars for more range to transcribe songs from film and video games.
I guess if I'm ending up in Cubase or Ableton anyway, I might as well use a hybrid setup: MIDI Guitar 2 + some VSTs (Komplete 14 CE), and run a Radial EXTC Stereo for an effects loop of guitar pedals.
To each his own. We all do what feels best for us. I am not comfortable with any 8-string. Luckily, it seems, as most setups struggle with extended range instruments. I can still access the same low tunings, of course, but retuning the output. And I love the idea of having everything already set up in patches, and just connect my instrument and controllers. But it is just a matter of taste I think. I am to old to be carrying a lot of gear around. I rather show up with just a computer and a guitar. 👴💻🎸
You are awesome. Thank you. ❤
Hey man! YOU are awesome! Love your bass playing! 👏👏👏
Strong man. T-shirt in the snow. When do you think be ready With Midi guitar 3 for Windows?
Sometimes this is the most springtime we get around here. Better make the best of it? (Actually it isn't that cold either - the tuning on my guitar stops being reliable under 5 degrees (celsius) so it is almost certainly 7-8 now) JamOrigin has not mentioned any date yet. You can follow the JamOrigin beta page to get all the latest news. www.jamorigin.com/beta/
@@lofileif OK 😒 I will I follow up Great work you have done 👊👍
Thanks Nico! 🙏
Incredible: can it connect to Guitar Pro. I want to make guitar videos and have the Guitar Pro NECK included in my video so the viewers can see what I am playing. Is that possible because that would be the deciding factor on whether or not to buy it. Great playing by the way. Thanks,
It connects to GP8, but I don't know if there is a way to get the note/string info right for what you are looking to use iy for. I tried it with a 13 pin GK guitar and the MG3 HEX tracker which sends out the per string MIDI on MIDI channels 2-7 right now. But I don't have the time to check if GP8 has the required settings for being able to change twhat channels it is listening on? Check with the MIDI Guitar forum. I am pretty sure there is someone there who use this and would know. jamosapien.com
I see you have a GR55 in your background, how good or bad it was versus Jam origin MIDI guitar?
If you are talking about the GR55 MIDI OUT vs the JamOrigin MG3 MIDI functionality, pretty bad. It has more latency and is also dynamically truncated and compressed. So, you’ll be hard pressed to find and virtual intruments that handles well with that. But as always, this is my OPINION. 😀👍
I did all the Roland GK3, still have a few guitars with 13-pin, mostly for my SY-1000. However, I also play keys, and now with MPE and polyphonic aftertouch, keyboards can also be expressive.
For expressive keyboard control, MPE, I use a KMI Kboard-Pro-4, 48-keys, usually for leads; for everything else velocity and mono aftertouch - both common - work fine.
Unfortunately MIDI keyboard controllers and keyboards that support MPE, poly AT, are few, and often expensive, but should be more common in a few years.
FWIW, I don't use my keyboards to sound like guitars, and vice versa. Finally having true expression with MPE capable keyboards is great, and I no longer follow or care about guitar synths such as the GM-800. Keeping my SY-1000 and SY-300 because I have guitars with GK3/13-pin, and patches I created.
IMO
So you are happy with the expressive capabilities you already have. Sounds great! 👍
@@lofileif yes, but it took years and lots of money and some effort to finally get here, thanks to MPE! cheers!
love using Midi guitar 3, works great… still need to experiment with MPE tho
It is awesome. If you haven't already, go download the Surge XT synth. It is free, and has a lot of functions including MPE and also MTS-ESP for cool retuning stuff.
@@lofileif Been making music for almost 20 years so I own a lot of software and hardware synths… I love using Imagine by expressive e (with touche) which is mpe capable, just need to experiment more with midi guitar 3 I guess :)
@TomislavRupic Imagine is a great physical modeling instrument with a lot of expressive options, but it is not MPE. Touché is just a four CC controller sending on CC16-19, so any instrument you control with it (Lié, Noisy, Imagine or the UVI Touché presets) are easy to set up in MG3 as well.
Expressive É has some MPE soundsets out however. Patchwork for UVI Falcon and the Phase Plant expressive suite.
I had some Roland stuff on guitar but nowadays using Jam origin. It`s good, my only problem now is to find the axe that could fit my backpack so I could play and record midi stuff while far from home. None of those so called travel guitars isn`t compact enough🙂
Yes, indeed! If you find a good candidate for such an instrument, would you let me know? 🤝👍
@@lofileif for sure but i wouldn`t count on that lol
@insertanynameyouwant5311 🤣 I hear you! 👍
ey man, how its the name of the thing you have in your moth with plays violin? thanks!!
it is a TEControl BBC2. ruclips.net/video/fnj5Q_kjpdM/видео.html
Sadly I’ve struggled with latest MIDIGTR software despite having a very powerful and incredibly fast MacPro tower. I’m currently having more success with Fishman TriplePlay. But I am very open to working on this…. regards from London 🇬🇧
Well, it is still in beta, so I would have been surprised to see no setups having issues or struggling with the software during development. With that said, I am sorry to hear of your negative inital experience, it is always better if everything works straight out of the box of course. What was the latest MG3 betaversion you tried, if I may ask?
I want this.... when is it going to be available?
If you are on a Mac, you can join in today. It is still in the beta testing phase though. If you are on a PC or iPad you'll have to wait. All avalible info at www.jamorigin.com/beta/
I JUST started down this rabbit hole a few weeks ago!
Got midiguitar 2 up and running on the iPad and now SWAM instruments are on deck!
Any chance you could help with routing an expression pedal to various parameters in a SWAM Auv3 (in loopy pro would be precisely what im trying to do, however any exposure to midi mapping the pedal to an auv3 instance would be pointing me in the right direction)?
[Edit: tangential question - which parameters are best for the expression pedal? Is it one for all SWAM instruments or does it change from one to another?]
Welcome down! 🤝 I don't know anything about Loopy Pro, I am afraid, but for all SWAM instruments in general the only parameter that needs a controller assigned is Expression. So if you "only" have one pedal it is that you should target. Check on the forum, for other users using Loopy Pro. I think I've seen discussions about it there. jamosapien.com
@@lofileif wonderful thank you so much! I had assumed Expression would be the obvious option, but my ignorance has lead me astray like that in the past, so much appreciated
Eventually a breath controller is an endgame dream (thanks to your vids) but I should be able to cover my needs with what I have (for now lol)
Any useful parameters recommended with an addional sustain pedal (along side the already established expression pedal)?
I'm with JamOrigin from 2013
Early adopter! 🤝 I found it (for a second time) in 2018: Stuck to it ever since. 👍
Fantastic software for extending the reach for guitar players. I have eliminated my Fishman Triple Play and find the tracking is better and more flexible.
Great to hear! Thanks 😃👍
I mainly play guitar with my Surface Pro live using plugins. I use Cantabile as a live host and can easily change to any sound I want, so MIDI guitar 2 has been great for controlling virtual instruments.
Yes, there have certainly been a couple of great gig rigs like Cantabile, Camelot and Gig Performer already. But I am curious to see if most of the work you use to do in those isn't going to end up in MG3 eventually? It will certainly be interesting to hear how MIDI Guitar users in general choose to handle the new possibilities. As an add-on to an already existing rig (not to rock the boat), or just make a clean switch to a new setup altogether. 🧐
@@lofileif When the Windows version of MIDI Guitar 3 comes on line, I will assess the hosting issue. Cantabile has a nice pre-load function which means no delays between presets which MG2 didn't have.
There is no such function in MIDI Guitar 3 at this point (although it has been discussed), so I guess you'll stay with your setup even if you switch to MG3. It is a really nice feature though, so I hope we will get it in MG3 eventually. 👍
Congrats, MG3 is the best tool ever...I only play my guitar with it now 😀
@@flaviosgpinto Thanks Flavio, that makes me glad to hear! 😀
Any idea when Midi Guitar 3 will be released?
Please check out the beta page for all available information and news about the status of development process. www.jamorigin.com/beta/
I still want to be able to play external rackmount synths
Yes? Well, with MIDI Guitar 3 you just use the MIDI OUTPUT module, and connect the computer to whatever you wish to control. And you can use MIDI 1.0 or MPE depending on what synth you are playing.
Very interesting, thank you
Thank you. Much appreciated! 🙏
greetings can you explain your gear please? what goes on the guitar? acoustic & electric. which wireless midi sender do you use. thanks so much
I believe everything is in the video already, but here goes: Nothing goes on the guitar per se, you use your traditional guitar cable to get your traditional guitar audio into the audio interface (using your standard pickups on your guitar - no MIDI). Audio is converted into MIDI inside the computer with the help of the JamOrigin software MIDI Guitar 2/3. I sometimes use a wireless Audio transmitter to send that signal though. I have settled on the Xvive U2 receiver/transmitter, but there is no research put into comparing alternatives. Those were what was available. I am using wireless MIDI to send my breath controller MIDI to the computer as well, and for that I am using the CME WIDI Uhost within the confines of my studio. Were I to hit the stage I would probably go for the sturdier and more long-range Panda Audio midiBeam setup that I also own. This is a little more than was in this video, but I have videos on almost everything on this channel if you are interested. 👍
@@lofileif thanks so much that clear things up for me. here's something you might be interested in. I did a Cd a while back using nothing but balloons...no samples. lots of fun ruclips.net/video/Q9TkOXKqR0M/видео.html
Bro - if I have to make a guess - you are the main designer and engineer for JamOrigin MIDI guitar. Am I right? Your talk kind of gives it away. I have been desperate to get my hands on a reliable MIDI guitar solution for years and couldn't find anything yet. I tried JamOrigin MIDI guitar (I think 2) about 2 years ago and it was clunky and generated too much spurious notes that I wasn't even playing. I have been since then convinced that audio to MIDI is just not going to work. Because from audio signal there is just no way to know what are harmonics and what actual fret was pressed. So some kind of fret detection would be the most ideal. But for the reasons you provided, too pricey and also not as reliable and clunky guitar interface that prohibits me to play my most comfortable instrument are definitely reasons to push the software solution hard. The thing is there is no limit how much one can push software. And now there is AI that may have a potential use to apply on get better accuracy. I pray hard for you guys to land something that serves my purpose. Clean MIDI notes from my guitar, only the notes that I pluck. Thank you for taking up this challenge!!!
Oh - in this video I liked your headless black guitar. Can you share the model name please.
Hi! Well, I hate to disappoint you right off the bat, but no, I am not the designer and engineer behind this product. I am just a guy like you who tried this software a couple of years ago (2018), but I guess I went in the opposite direction. I loved it, picked it up, and haven't put it down since. But to be fair this was the second time around for me. I tried it in 2015 (i think) and just as you I wasn't all that impressed, and went on to buy a lot more expensive hardware for a couple of more years.
Nowadays I am pretty convinced audio to MIDI can do pretty astonishing stuff, even if it can't recognize where you are on your neck (yet). But is that really necessary though? Think of it like this, we have six separate strings, and on neither of these strings can you find the same exact pitch twice. There might be a way to identify unique identities after all? Just saying.
There is absolutely a limit to how much you can push software and it is decided by our physical nature, but I won't go into that since it is a rather tedious discussion to have here.
You are free to try the software in its current stage of development of course. If you visit the beta page and look in the Downloads section you can grab a trial version for yourself.
www.jamorigin.com/beta/
But if you do, do yourself a favor and check out the introduction videos on this playlist to ensure you know about the most important stuff:
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And lastly. The guitar is a Carvin HH2x (Holdsworth model)
@@lofileif - Ouch - a bad guess in a long time. I think you were saying 'we did this' - some use of 'we' about the JamOrigin product. May be I was hearing it wrong. Thank you for the quick reply on the guitar model and sharing your thoughts about some of my comments.
Does the MIDI guitar need to know what string, what fret was pressed? NO. But, my comment was probably a bit confusing about fret detection. What I wanted to say - if the string and fret is known and the tuning is known the pitch can be rendered as a MIDI note with 100% accuracy. This is where the fret recognition part was relevant from my comment.
If the software need to detect it from audio signal, it has too much unwanted audio info that increases the chance of mis-recognition and generating more than one pitch and other errors. I still believe using whatever technical knowledge I have (which is far from sufficient) that audio to pitch is a problematic approach. MIDI keyboards never had to deal with audio to pitch approach - that is why they have been always reliable.
What I don't understand is why people cannot still make a simple MIDI guitar using whatever sensor technology to detect string, fret position and force to generate MIDI information. It is just beyond me. Jammy from Ukraine were going in the right direction but recently they got shutdown for War or whatever.
I don't have money to try the expensive MIDI guitars that are 2K or higher. I got a Jamstik+ recently and that doesn't even work on Windows/Reaper. It works on Iphone and it uses Infrared sensing and magnetic pickup sort of stuff and still has issues with spurious notes especially on Polyphony.
I am a software engineer for 30+ years. When I meant software can be pushed infinitely - I didn't mean it can push beyond physical limitation. Software cannot disintegrate you and send you to North Pole at the speed of light and reassemble you. I assumed this wouldn't need an explanation. By 'there is no limit how much software can be pushed' I simply meant that it can be iterated indefinitely to acquire higher precision. Just look at AI's current state which is nothing but software and algorithms and data and it can take a prompt and make a movie or Mozart's 80th symphony. What I was thinking when I wrote it - is if pitch can be reliably detected from the audio signal - and if we understand audio signal extremely well that it is possible to extract the pitch 100% reliably - then it can be achieved eventually through software. But if there is an intrinsic problem that cannot be solved - then this is a dead-end approach. Then we have to go back to that sensor/scanning approach.
What kind of intrinsic problem we are talking about here. Let me give an analogy.
If I give you just a number say 7 and ask you to recognize the two numbers I added up to get 7 - you can never reliably tell me those numbers. It can be 2 + 5 or 4 + 3 or many other variations. Imagine the audio signal has data that can potentially contain information of two different pitches say C and G and both are equally strong. Then software cannot detect it reliably.
Thank you!
Will any foot controller work with MainStage?
I am by no means an expert on MainStage. It would help to know what you want to use the footcontroller for? There are some examples in this video, but it is hardly exhaustive. ruclips.net/video/BXQzKjZ4UyY/видео.html
I recently got a Boss GX 100 which also has an optional BT connection and MIDI Input /Output , send and return capabilities and I'm interested in creating synth sounds via this device. I have Midi Guitar 2 SW but haven't yet tried to connect both systems. Before I get into it have you had the possibility to connect both or are you aware of any inherent difficulties that may occur?
Hi! I am sorry to say I don't know anything about that unit. The only question I perhaps could answer is if you have any specific uses in mind, especially related to MG2 (or why not 3, it is free for you if you own MG2)?
It's wonderful
I am glad you like it. 😀👍
I’ve been using Midi Guitar 2 with my Mac and iPad for years now. With my current gigging setup, I use my Quad Cortex as an audio interface into my iPad with AUM running Midi Guitar 2. Will Midi Guitar 3 be released for IOS anytime soon?
I don’t know. You can follow the JamOrigin beta page to get all the latest news. www.jamorigin.com/beta/
@@lofileif Thanks for your reply. Your videos are so detail oriented that I was assuming you were the developer. I see now that you aren’t. Great job with the videos, though! My only complaint about the new version is that it seems a whole lot more complicated than Midi Guitar 2. Quite the learning curve, but I guess that’s to be expected with the vast amount of additions and improvements to an already great piece of software.
Thanks again!
I have had a minor part in helping the developer out (JamOrigin) with some feed backing during the last years of this process. I guess that helps out a little when it comes to knowing some of the details? About the MG3 complexity; I believe it will be easier to get started with MG3 compared to how I remember my own tackling MG2.While there is really nothing special here you NEED to do to get started, there is of course a whole bunch of stuff you CAN do in MG3 once you are up and running. Time will probably tell me if I am wrong here, but I think MG3 is really more accessible that much of the competition, because everything is on the surface. There are very few settings in hidden menus, and stuff like this. 👍
I reckon than it is not the best time to invest in MG 2 since the 3rd version will be soon released… 🤔
It is up to you! If you do, you will have two different systems to the price of one. You'll get MG2 (and MIDI Bass) now, and later MG3 for free .That goes for everyone that has purchased the "full" desktop version. Those that purchase later will get just MG3 as fara as I know. 👍
I disagree... by investing in MG2 now you get a the current production version, which is arguably better than most of the hardware options in the market. But in addition, if you use Mac you already get free early access to the beta MG3, which is fully functional and brings all of the extra dimensions Leif has been demonstrating in recent videos
@@lofileif if the purchase of MG2 grants the right to upgrade to MG3 as well then it is a no brainer… 👍..thanks for the reply 🙏 and respect for your ingenuity… I was feeling kinda limited since my main instrument is guitar but you opened many possibilities in my mind and made me think about the guitar just as an “instrument” as it should be 👍👍
I am glad if I am able to help out. 😀 Thank you!
This is it!
What is the breath control device you are using with the midi guitar 3 software ?
ruclips.net/video/fnj5Q_kjpdM/видео.html
Any news on Midi Guitar 3 for IOS? I’ve invested a quite a bit of money in apps for my iPad and was using Camelot for a bit. Also not sure if Midi Guitar 3 will work on my main music Mac as it’s running on High Sierra currently as that’s the latest OS it will run.
I haven’t heard anything about the iOS release, but the best way to keep up to date is to check out the beta page:
www.jamorigin.com/beta/
I listen and look, it's nice to play with the new software. And we want it too, we want Windows 🙂Best regards
I know you do. It is under development, and you can follow the progress of the ongoing work on the developers betapage: www.jamorigin.com/beta/
This looks amazing. Is there a way to try it? (Windows)
You found it, right? 👍
@lofileif I certainly did!!! Oh boy I am having so much fun. This thing is just amazing. I am so impressed! Been building all kinds of patches :-) Hey I just had a funny idea. It would be cool if you could play magic chords (user defined) to change state. Like enabling or disabling racks or whatever. Maybe you can already do this. Just a random thought. The looper is cool too!! Love it so much!! ❤️🚀💫
Hey, welcome onboard! 🤝 Yeah, there is a lot of stuff here already, and there is more stuff added all the time. No "Magic Chords" to change states yet, but there are a couple of ways to do this with pedal of course. CC14-15 is by default assigned to patch UP/DOWN and JamOrigin is working ofn Program change messages to be implemented fully throughout. And that will certainly help. I am a little hesitant to ask jamOrigin for more at this point since I know the focus is on getting MG3 past the beta phase. There is going to be a way to use lua scripts to personalize your workflow too, so I'll just wait and see what eventually end up in the finished version.
@lofileif Awesome sauce, and thanks again for all the helpful info! Have a great day!
Do you happen to have a video that covers midi guitar in a live setting? Specifically, from a computer or similar. Thank you
No, sorry! But everything I do is live. I don’t go in and fix anything afterward, if that is what you are thinking about. But maybe you are concened with stuff like monitoring or how to set up on stage?
@@lofileif Thanks! I mean best practices for connecting a computer to a PA. In my case, I want to take advantage of a live setup where I use Guitar Rig amp/cab sims, in addition to soft synth midi control. I have a Boss GP10 and GK midi pickup.
@danielhornbeck6588 Yeah, no such videos on this channel I am afraid. But everything I do is meant to be possible for live purposes, so hopefully there are some takeaways somewhere anyway. 😀👍
@@lofileif thx!
Can you make an update when 3 gonna be out i will buy it Thanks!!!
If you already have a licence for MG2 the update is free! And it is a completely new software so it is not really an update either. 👍
@@lofileif No idon't have it yet..But i want to buy my icense but i'm waiting for the third version.
I have a Jamstick studio midi guitar (connects via usb-c or Bluetooth) & I also have Midi Guitar 3.
I can only play my Jamstick midi guitar at 64 samples before latency starts to become a factor, whereas using my actual guitar running through Midi guitar 3 software, can run at 256 samples and still have near abouts the same latency. Much more headroom with CPU, and tracks unbelievably well!
Hi Sam! I am so glad to hear the honest opinion /report from an actual user of any of the rival systems (that I haven't had a chance to try for myself yet). Often I feel MIDI Guitarists assume an almost unreasonably protective stance in favor of the system they invested in. And aI can understand that. It is a leap of faith, and often at a considerable cost. So you probably don't wan to hear of anything else being better, even if only at stuff not really considered to be that particular setup's strong point. Therefore I find your report exceptionally refreshing, and thank you very much for it! 🙏🙏🙏
@@lofileif mate, all I’m after is the best product, and MG3 is a game changer. I was wondering if you might be open to making a video, detailing the best way to set up a guitar for tracking in MG3 (string size, dampening techniques, gates) all of that
@@samuelallenmusic Maybe later! Since the product isn't even finished yet it seems a bit premature to do a video now already. Besides, I must confess I have a pretty busy schedule just keeping up with presenting all the new features😀
@@lofileif yea fair enough! Keep up with the videos bro! I enjoy them thoroughly
What about fishman tripleplay pickup compared to midi guitar 3?
I mean, Jamstick is probably not the best reference point for "midi hardware technology".
What puzzles me with the former comment is, when playing any midi instrument I have (either thru usb or directly midi cable into the soundcard) to put the lowest sample possible.
Every single time I go above 64 there is noticeable latency. Latency is not related to midi, but all sounds coming out of my soundcard.
So being able to play without latency at 256 sample, I don't believe it at all. Please enlight me !
what midi device are you using for that blowing thingy stuff?
ruclips.net/video/fnj5Q_kjpdM/видео.html
So this product is available now, correct?
As a beta, yes. It is available for everyone to try out. Check under DOWNLOADS on this page: www.jamorigin.com/beta/
pretty cool, there is an mpe guitar, the jamstik, but i mean it comes to almost 2000 Canadian for me to order it. not cheap. I still do not have it.
I know. I have been trying to get one (here in Sweden) for some time now, but not even music instrument retailers have considered picking these up. So I am left with the choice to take a leap of faith, and order one. But frankly, I haven't seen one video yet that would convince me of it being worth it, so I am holding out, waving for perhaps a used one to appear somewhere reasonably close. It is not like I expect it to be better than MG3 anyway, but I would like one to be able to compare for myself. 👍
@@lofileif exactly the same thing i feel, i emailed them about this as well, let's see what they reply, I need to see the jamstik being used entering midi with no video editing, their videos are not clear enough for me to purchase one. I asked them do to a lead solo mpe instrument with a few different melody lines, and then i asked them to also do a synth with chords for us in a video, raw with no fancy editing, they could upload it as a short
Good, hopefully it will make a difference. Tell them to send me a Jamstik, and I'll make sure to record something that isn't just a two second snippet on a NewYork balcony
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@@lofileif they replied and said they will do some videos of raw midi recording.. we'll see. I mean , i want the thing to work. It's been at NAAM for a few years now.. i don't think it's just BS , i think it does work good but their marketing is horrible.
@Maplefoxx-vl2ew I agree. I don’t believe it is junk either. But one problem is the reliance on influencers making most of their videos. We always get to know everthing about the allen keys and softcases and stuff, but never about the important stuff (MIDI dynamics and MPE capabilities, for instance) And I don’t know if it is because the instrument/controller can’t deliver, or if it is because the influencers that can’t use a MIDI controller. Some of them obviously know how to play guitar, but that really doesn’t isn’t enough. But, yeah, lets see what they come up with. I am still willing to give it a try if it shows up on my doorstep, (or somewhere near) 😀👍
Hi. Please can you tell us when MIDIGUITAR 3 will be available for sale? (In France?). And what if I buy MIDIGUITAR 2 can I update in v3 free? Thx
I don't know actually. If you are using Mac I believe you vcan get a working demo right now on the beta page. www.jamorigin.com/beta/
But if you are on any other platform, JamOrigin is working on getting there. And as far as purchasing goes, it probably needs to go through the beta testing phase on all platforms first before it is released. And yes, if you have (or buy) MIDI Guitar 2 now the update to v3 will be free! 😀👍
@@lofileif Great thanks for your answer. (I am on PC so windows 10 for the moment).
But, I will certainely buy the MIDIGuitar 2 and upgrade after. I hesitate but if you say it will be free...so nice and perfect.
I still use my Roland gr 55 guitar synthesizer pedal❤
Kudos! I never used mine at all. I bought it while I was still using my VG99 a lot (which I still like) but I couldn't seem to agree with the GR55. Glad to hear from someone that did though. 👍
@@lofileif Always great to hear about more options and see what's new.
Hi, any idea about the Windows Midi Guitar 3 release date ?
No, sorry. I will of course tell everyone as soon as I know, but for now I suggest everyone interested keep an eye on the JamOrigin beta page for the latest info. www.jamorigin.com/beta/
@@lofileif Thank You
Estou esperando Midi Guitar 3 para Windows.
There is not so much I can do here, I am afraid. It is a high priority task for JamOrigin to get that out, so check out the beta page for all available information and news about the status of development process. www.jamorigin.com/beta/
when comes to Windows 11?
I don't have a date, I am afraid! The best way of keeping up to date with the latest is to pop in regularly on the www.jamorigin.com/beta/
@@lofileif
Please tell Jam Origin to make the MG3 Windows & iOS progress more visible. In all honesty my one issue with not going with MG2 a few years ago was the lack of being able to tell how supported it is. IOW, is this just some developers pet project or is it serious and will be supported far into the future. I feel confident that the later is the case especially with the announcement of MG3, but it still seems like there’s not enough resources available for development.
Without getting into a Windows vs. Mac debate, I’m surprised that both platforms were not being developed simultaneously. Or even Windows taking precedence over Mac. Mac no longer holds the creative world hostage. Regardless, I’m very interested and excited to get working with MG3. In case your wondering why not get started with MG2? I have other ways to get midi guitar sounds now and would rather start fresh with what seems like a very significant upgrade in features and UI. Thanks.
@@AudioAtmos Hi! Of course, I'll pass on your very sensible request for greater visibility concerning the iOS/Wimdows status in the development process. I am taking the brunt from that lack of information anyway as every third comment I respond to concerns precisely that. Regarding the company, it IS indeed a one-man production. But you should probably not question his resolve to deliver the best possible product, as MG3 has been seven years in the making and still it is going to be free for all previous MG2 users.
The reason for starting developing and testing for Mac and porting to iOS and Windows later is his decision, and I guess it is as simple as a strategy to handle feedback and troubleshooting. I'll let him know how you feel, but out of curiosity, where have you searched for information? And where do you think it should be, to be easily found, in your opinion?
@@lofileif
Thanks! I’m subscribed to the Jam Origin forum and was following it for a while, but back about 2 months ago it seemed that the Windows version was some time out. I had signed up to be a beta tester for the Windows version, but never received any information. I have lots of irons in the fire so things like this will get sidetracked and sort of forgotten. To answer your question post on the forum. Maybe make a thread regarding platform support and the progress towards it.
Basically, I’m subscribed to your channel and when I saw this video pop up I got excited thinking it was further along and maybe a release candidate was available. I understand that you’re just a very enthusiastic user (which is great) and I don’t think or meant to imply you have influence on the company. I love what you do and follow your progress as time permits. I have been very close to pulling the trigger on MG2, but as mentioned I have other ways to do pitch to midi synth guitar right now, (Fractal Audio Systems Modeler) but I’m always looking for better ways and more options.
Thanks again!!👍
@AudioAtmos Yeah! I saw your post on the forum right now. Good to hear you have a solution you are happy with too. I just might have to take a look at that. 👍
Are you affiliated with JamOrigins? Are you the developer for MIDI Guitar 3?
I am NOT the developer, but I have had the great pleasure of being able to test versions of MG3 during the last years of its development. Jamorigin is the company developing this software. www.jamorigin.com
Plan B survives solidly behind your shoulders with VG-99 and GR-55. Nice. Their alternate tunings and guitar simulation cannot be replaced by midi.
Plan B is just collecting dust at this point. A fun backdrop for all of us who knows anything about it, but while their guitar simulations are still ok, alterate tunings won’t be a problem for MG3 going forward. Can’t disclose too much at this point though! 😀👍
@@lofileif do you maybe know what is the technology behind VG roland guitar which makes strat sound like telecaster, or changing their tunings without pitch artifacts? are they using advanced pitch shifters?
I guess you are thinking about their modeling, and no I can't say I do. There are a bunch of guys that would be a able to filly in on it over at www.vguitarforums.com/smf/
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@@lofileif Thanks!
I use a Variax with MIDIGuitar so I get the tunings that way.
They tend to make the guitar sound "Casio". I'm still about 90% on the IDEA that the keyboard is the midi. But there are a few sounds that fit guitar use. More so if there are two guitarist and no keyboardist.
If it used to sound Casio, it sounds Oberheim now. 😀👍
Thanks for the profound information about the vast possibilities of MIDI Guitar 3 - if one wants to go down the more synth oriented rabbit hole, I totally agree with your view. I am however more traditionally oriented as sounds and playing technique are concerned and have found a combination of hardware (BOSS GM-800) and software (Gig Performer 4) to be my favorite solution. I control my patch settings in the hardware and can use all combinations of virtual instruments and plugins inside of Gig Performer - I even use it for my vocal effects and pickup guitar sound. So I guess that hard- and software aren’t mutually exclusive when playing MIDI guitar. Best wishes, Eddie
HI Ediie! Of course you are right in that there isn't any hard line between hardware and software, really. This video is more a chance to present a perspective that really hasn't been a viable alternative up until now. The idea of saving it all in one patch on a computer, everything from the MIDI triggering to the acoustic side of Amp sims and Impulse responses. But I have great respect for anyone that have found a setup they are happy with, and I am by no means claiming to have anything better. Just something else, perhaps? Keep up you great work, my friend. 🤝👍
@@lofileif Hi Leif, I absolutely agree with you - I am glad for anyone who has found a MIDI Guitar setup that works for them. I just wanted to mention a viable alternative as a hybrid approach. Keep your fine videos coming and all the best to you!🙏👍
I hope in this version they add Automated Breath Control
It already exist. You can use the MODULATORS envelopes to connect to anything where I would use my breathcontroller,. But to get that interesting you should probably combine two envelopes, like the Pressure (aftertouch) with something else.. This will be the subject for my next video, so keep an eye out for that. 👍
@@lofileif WHAT ima try that right now!! lol the way I made it work is I have aftertouch on and I made a midi clip with some movement and nothing else in ableton and play it in a loop and send it to the channel SWAM is on 😂 I'm using the FCB 1010, gigperformer + Midi Guitar 2 and Ableton =)
@@lofileif it works but now I keep getting a stuck key in SWAM.. I think I need to program a panic button on my pedal board or something that was a fun 30sec of eeeeEEEEeeeee what the heck why??? 😂😂
I play 5 or 6 voice jazz chords. Is MG3 really that good at polyphony? I still work with hex pickup, GP-10 into Ableton and MG2 on each channel to convert to Midi.
Good or not is going to be depending on HOW you play those I would say. If you are a clean picker/strummer like Joe Pass or Jim Hall you can get away with almost everything. I use five/six notes in my chords all the time (and I am NO Joe Pass 😄), and the difference from using MG2 is incredible. Will it beat the clarity/sparation in a hexPU setup? I don't know, you have to try for yourself to see if it is what you are looking for. But I brings out the dynamic nuances in a way that isn't achievable with any hexPU that I have tried. So, try it before you buy it, is my advice. 👍
It is nice that you can try it as a demo. I played with the v2 and it was not capable of understanding harmonic minor seconds (it gets mad). Also, some specific voicings triggered fake notes (try the voicing "A G C D" - from bottom to top - plucking the strings at the same time with fingers, I got a low G which wasn't present)
@BraScKet Yeah, MG2 had some issues, but you should really try MG3 if you haven’t. It is a world of difference. 👍
@@lofileif Cool! I will. So, did you manage to get the minor seconds with MG3 etc?
Does it support 7 string guitars?
Not at this point! It is still in beta, and will track starting at E2 (Standard open Low E string.
@@lofileif thanx for so fast answer 💕
No problem! We will have to wait and see when it comes to the support for extended range guitars. The lower we go, the harder it gets to get the tracker to deliver great results. 😀👍
I tried midi guitar2, but it has latency with computer
Yep, there is latency with MG2, and it still is with MG3. But much less. It will be up to you to feel if that is still an issue for you once you get to try it. Zero latency in this software isn't even a feasible option, with the analysis of your guitar audio involved and all. 👍
I checked their site, but says Midi Guitar 3 haven't been released yet
Yes, it is only out as beta yet. You can try it too. Look in the DOWNLOADS section on the beta site: www.jamorigin.com/beta/
@@lofileif Thanks for replying.
So what's the main difference from version 2?
@PedroMiguel-if3ll MPE, Modulators, 3chains
@PedroMiguel-if3ll MIDI Guitar 3 Introduction - a first look inside
ruclips.net/video/TBhyLVOL-_k/видео.html
@@lofileif Yep, already watch it.
Just downloaded version 2 demo to give it a try with the patches it comes with.
For instance I noticed with the piano, some notes of the scale are not playing.
Also to use Kontakt libraries or VST instruments do you need to use a DAW or load the VST directly in Midi Guitar?
Windows beta version? 😊
No dates mentioned anywhere on the JanOrigin page, as far as I know! 🤷♂️
Nylon strings?
I guess you are asking: can I use a nylon string guitar with this software? You probably can, but since one of the most important factors for getting great tracking is brightnesss, I wouldn't expect any absolut stellar results. But it will cost you nothing to try when the demo is available for your platform of choice. Right now it is only Mac.
@@lofileif Yes, all other systems need "Steel strings". The question is if an contact microphone is good enough to work with it. Thank you
@fernandoscolletion Again, I don’t know. You can to try when you get the trial version. 👍
Hi, i use now Fishman Tripleplay Connect but its not a perfect solution. Can You tell me technical data of Your computer ( mac or Win)?
This software will work with either platform. There is a demo/trial version for both Mac and PC if you go to the betapage and look at the DOWNLOAD section. www.jamorigin.com/beta/
I use a Mac Studio M1 Max nowadays.
@@lofileifThx
What's wrong with the Fishman? Have you tried the Jam Origin and can you compare it to the Fishman? Thanks
No more annoying glitchy ghost notes?
I am sure you can still experience the occasional rouge notes, depending on setup and playing style. It would be crazy to state otherwise. It is after all still a pitch to MIDI conversion process we are talking about. But is it a problem? Not for me, and once you’ve tried the demo you will know if it is or isn’t for you as well. 😀👍
Is midi guitar 3 a free upgrade from midi guitar 2. If not no point buying 2, better to wait.
MIDI Guitar 3 is free for all ”full” MIDI Guitar 2 licence holders.
The mystery continues... is Leif the developer behind JamOrigin, or not? And if not, who is? The software is amazing, btw...
Haha! God no! The developer is a talented guy, whereas I am just a electrician moonlighting as a guitar player with special interests. I have been involved somewhat in the development process, opining on functions and smaller stuff, but if you want to get in touch with the developer himself, look for JamO on the MIDI Guitar forum. 👍jamosapien.com
@@lofileif you're also a very talented guy - in addition to your guitar playing, you have a great way of explaining things. some developers struggle with that :-)
Thank you so much! I put a lot of effort into trying to be concise! 🙏
Increasingly of the opinion that if Midi Guitar 3 came out only 100 years ago the Dev would have been burned at the stake for sorcery. It’s incredible
Now I suddenly feel lucky not to be a software developer myself. 😃 But I agree. jamOrigin has done a heck of a job on this! 👍
Get to the point already, why you chose software😮💨
Check the video....it is in there.
when are we getting midi guitar 3 for windows?
I don’t know. JamOrigin has not mentioned any date yet. You can follow the JamOrigin beta page to get all the latest news. www.jamorigin.com/beta/