And getting drunk is illegal in much of the country. The difference between alcohol is that you can easily drink without getting drunk but it is a lot harder to smoke without getting baked.
Jesse Ward not really it depends where you are, who you are with and what you are drinking it's usually not easy to drink and be sober when you are with friends
Alcohol wasn't always legal, it's the only drug to been legally made illegal by the constitution instead of other drugs that usurp the constitution and just have federal law make it illegal.
Jefferson, Washington, and Franklin are all convicted and sent to prison. Upon their release one year later, the inmates have formed a constitutional republic who send elected representatives to parley with the warden bi monthly. Open trade between cell blocks has led to an increased standard of living, and Terry "Hollow Point" Hernandez from D-Block has introduced a bill to the prison legislature regarding the extension of chow time. It is expected to pass with enthusiastic bi-partisan support.
Sadly, 10 years later, the prison is full of stifling regulations on trade and free food without the ability to produce your own; thus keeping you reliant on the prison. Lesson learned: Government is like a prison.
I did cocaine for 3 years and I thought it increases my perception too,It was like miracle pill for me, but then I nearly died and I still feel the consequences after 3 years off.Sometimes I'm dreaming cocaine and even dreams looks like making me high ... Knowledge comes with experience,STAY AWAY KIDS FROM COKE ! ...
All cocaine does is make you want more cocaine. Just don't do it. High over rated, paranoia and nervous wreck is what you become.. who doesn't love THAT
Social Conservatives and Libertarians have a vary similar view on drugs. A Social Conservative will look at drugs and say "I think drugs are immoral so that means we should ban them" and a Libertarian will look at drugs and say "I think drugs should be legal so that means they must be moral and how dare you criticize them". While I'm stuck in the middle arguing with Social Conservatives saying yes I agree they are bad but don't ban them while I'm also arguing with Libertarians saying yes we should make them legal but that does not make them morally okay.
Oh shit I I've tried all kinds of drugs (weed, hydros, alcohol, speed, Xanax, lsd, shrooms, nitrous, nicotine, caffeine, and ectasy) guess it's time unenlist from the army and go shoot up a school cause the drugs are what's bad not the individual taking them.
Jeff Navarro - Because we value freedom. Therefore, government should regulate as little as possible. People should be free, unless their action directly impedes on the freedom of others. Drug use itself does not directly effect others.
NJ Eddie I appreciate your reply and although I (sort of) identify as Libertarian, really my question was for Jesse Ward. I still feel it's illogical and misrepresents Libertarianism to say Libs think drugs should be legal and are therefore moral...he only said what he disagrees with, not what he himself thinks.
I’m for personal responsibility and letting people decide for themselves (legalization). This video however seems to promote drug use which I can’t get on board with.
My greatest fear is being seen drunk or under the influence by anybody in the town I live in... and my advice learn to enjoy sobriety... and yes I drink Foster's I averaged about two a day which is pretty much but the abstinence cleans out toxins
John Barley she didn't say Libertarians ripped her off -- she said they distorted the intent of her message. Also, she didn't want anyone taking away votes from Nixon.
As a libertarian I don’t care what you do but I do have a problem when the government enables drug use with taxpayer money. Make your own choices but then live with the consequences.
I am a classic Libertarian and today's Libertarian Party has abandoned its roots. Now they all seem to be big government hedonists. They want no limits on their behavior, but want the government around to pay for the consequences.
The only drugs I "use" regularly are caffeine in the form of 6 - 7 Diet Pepsis a week and a daily dose of Levothyroxine, as prescribed by my doctor. I don't use pot, have never smoked, and don't care if I ever drink another wine cooler ever again, but I don't give a dead possum fart if you do other drugs (currently legal or not)…as long as you're a legal adult (and, yes, I think that it should be okay to drink at 18, eventhough I didn't until I was 27 and pretty much stopped before 30) and don't hurt anyone in the process of using or hurt them to get the drugs. Taxpayer money needs to be put to better uses than punishing people for choosing oblivion. The only part of the "War of Drugs" that I support is punishing those who provide to minors. Also, by keeping them illegal, you romanticize their use, making them more likely to WANT to try them.
How do you propose to stop dealers selling drugs to kids under 18 who you admit do not j have the capacity to make an informed choice about whether to use or not?
@@ChristopherNFP Why would a dealer want to sell to kids? They don't have jobs. They do have guardians. They're less likely to keep drug use under the radar, which is an increased risk of exposure to the dealer. They're much more likely to die of an overdose, and tracking down the dealer in the event of a child overdose death is very likely, no one tracks down the source of most overdose deaths. There's just too many bad consequences. Legalize everything, and then at least the drugs out there won't be biker meth from a trailer park, or heroin smuggled in someones butt.
I was perscribed phentanol and morphine (both opiates) to keep from going into shock after a drunk driver plowed into me while going 100+ miles per hour. Can I be added to your list of lovable people that "did drugs"? I also would like to be included in your fight against authoritarian rules against substance abuse.
school counselor : We Are A drug free school any one bringing drugs on School grounds will be punished severely Me: I have coffee school counselor : *GUARDS SEIZE HIM*
Book with too much words means author gave too little work of rewriting it, rather than too much work writing. If Rand did speeds it was super cruel to use that energy to bloat her books x5 size of what was needed.
Nick Harrell i didn't knew, this is relevant to this being a bad example,thanks, if it is true. Yet this is shitty reason tv video. It does make a weak point that famous worthwhile people in some cases, not the one of the trash of the human being edison, did drugs and could have been arrested yet it does not make use of the shit load of arguments for drug legalization. And it the kind of video someone could have done while tripping balls. Look this people did drugs ,you like them. Let talk drugs. It is no diferent from hey this people got shot you don't wanna get shot let's talk guns.
If you could engage the point that most drug offenders in prison are not, in fact, non-violent, but are the product of plea deals, that would be very helpful. It's often a CounterPoint in discussions.
Drug culture is a lot wiser then mainstream culture portrays them to be. Sure you have junkies, and so forth but even some of them are not as bad as they are portrayed.
Mr. Heaton why do you dislike Ayn Rand? Her work provides liberty and capitalism the moral bedrock and winning arguments needed to win the war of ideas. Also her ideas are ultimately the refinement of enlightenment reasoning... Which is the foundation of the American Republic. What of this do you take umbrage with?
Humans used lead a food flavoring for thousands of years. The Romans were very fond of "Sugar of Lead", including several emperors. That must mean it is a good idea, right? Perhaps restaurants should start serving it for consenting adults.
tbh, the only people that, upon finding out they did drugs, receive more admiration from me than before are the founding fathers. The fact that the US population is doing drugs more than in the past seems bad.
You really think only that many presidents did drugs? I'd say. Conservative estimate of the amount of people who have tried illicit drugs is 50%. And how can we exclude prescriptions from that count? Then it'd be 99%.
Looks like our country, and world for that matter, would be in pretty bad shape without those drug users. Some of the greatest people in history that accomplished some of the greatest things. Just shows you that drug use doesn't make people worthless junkies. And the fact that they would all be in jail here today just shows how blatantly stupid the war on drugs, and this new " opiod epidemic" or hysteria as I call it are. People that need these drugs and use them properly can be not only good and productive people, but great people that can do amazing things. The people that make policy in this country seriously need to chill the hell out and do everything they can to get their heads out of their asses. Maybe drugs would help with that.
This is a bad argument, it'd be like saying, "because I like the Founding Fathers and the Founding Fathers practiced slavery, it should be legal." I'm not against people doing whatever they want to their bodies, but this is not de way to go about promoting legalization.
Thank you. The argument being made, though I know that you got it Thomas Hägg but for anyone who did not, was that the stereotype of the loser stoner and the face-eating maniac are not the truth. That guy may exist, but not everybody who does drugs is that guy.
well no, it was really that many important and/or inspirational figures used drugs. and that's why u should support legalization. not, "x did immoral thing, so it should be legal." that's a ridiculous argument
M Rey Classic failure in the brain housing group. Slavery, the epitome of stripping human rights. Smoking pot, pretty much harmless in every way to both the user and everyone around them. Yeah, that's not apples to oranges or anything.
Slavery is clear harm to another person. Using a drug (some you think are so great we have billion dollar big pharma, or that we all should have a RIGHT to receive all the drugs they will ever hand out) does not harm another.
Its not the argument at all that Thomas Jefferson had drugs so you "should" also have to have drugs. Because then we will ride on a slippery slope like you should have the same drugs which he had in his time access to and so on. It's only an attempt to refute the argument by anti-drug people that drug consumers are always fuckedheart people since you can never call Winston Churchil or Ayn Rand a fuckedheart person.
Paul Mckenzie Laudanum is very old, and especially popular in Victorian times...although superficially it was billed as "medicine" people took it for all the reasons people take drugs. Nice article: mentalfloss.com/article/89268/lure-laudanum-victorians-favorite-drug
Glorifying drug use while not mentioning the harm and horror stories of drug use/abuse? Both types of drug use are real, and so a well-reasoned treatise of the issue should include both facets. Be well-reasoned. Be honest, which means tell the WHOLE story. Otherwise you're just another political propagandist who thinks they know best and so is trying to deceive people into supporting their point of view.
Libertarians are the only ones who watch reason, and I’m pretty sure most libertarians and conservatives hold great respect for Ayn Rand. You don’t need to sell her short to appeal to a bunch of liberals who aren’t even watching your show to begin with.
if you mean oppose owning people, yes. Unlike many pro-drug activists, he actually believed in following laws, like the ones that prevented him from freeing his slaves.
I don't care what drugs you take as long as you are not physically or financial harming the people around you or the society in which you live. If you can show that doing drugs only affects you financial and physically then go for it , as long as my tax dollars are not being used to keep you alive, as long as my tax dollars are not being used to pay for your drugs,food, shelter, clothing,medical care, then it is your choice, use any drugs you want and if you destroy your life or kill yourself in the process then you've no one to blame but yourself!!!! but if I have to pay for your bad choices then it should be made criminal!
All depends what you do with your life while on them and how safely you use them. If you are stealing from strangers or loved ones, yes, you have a problemo. If you are stuck on govt benefits and do not have enough money to live on, nope, no problem at all!
Stop lying. "Everybody you love did drugs." The phrase "did drugs" in the common vernacular has a pretty clear meaning and connotation. Stop lying for clicks. It's a real turn-off man. 😎
Yes you have. Ever drank coffee? Coca Cola? Beer? Ever vaped or smoked? Ever taken any kind of medication, prescription or otherwise? Oh and don’t worry I saved the best til last. Ever eaten any food product with sugar in? Yes. You have.
@@damnsurfer522 that’s a fair point however to put it as a blanket statement that “you never did drugs” is just factually incorrect. Furthermore ever heard of DMT? The most powerful hallucinogen known to man? That’s produced naturally in the brain of almost every mammal on earth, including us humans and by extension, you.
I can not possibly imagine why someone would think that they have moral authority over what others put inside their bodies. Or why someone would think that some people are immune from the responsibilities of those actions.
Lol. I feel you. The legal driving limit has no bearings on drug consumption. And I doubt many parents would let their children consume liquor at the age of 13 but those who would are undeterred by federal mandates. What is your next critique on my ideology.
Chopin used Opium to treat the symptoms of his tuberculosis. It may also be of note that he died at 39. It's not absurd to consider that the use of opium may have contributed to him dying at a young age. I know that it would make the video more dull, but you might want to distinguish why certain people used the drugs, because at times these drugs were used as medicine, not just "to have a good time." Just to be intellectually honest.
The thing is... Substances that we consider drugs today in the colloquial sense were not the same things that were considered drugs back then. If many of these people, like Chopin, had the alternative medicine that we have today, then they may not have turned to opium, hence using them for medical purposes and having them prescribed would not help the argument. If people used Opium today, I highly doubt that it would be to treat tuberculosis. Also I am aware that he gave several reasons in a broad sense. I was referring to why each individual in the list used the drug, like (health/recreation/etc.)
@Evan opium makes you feel great though which many of the modern day equivalents do not. And that can have a profound impact on your willingness to try to fight an illness rather than succumb to it.
substance use has no place in the hands of a government. no one should be able to dictate what i put in my own body. for every bad aspect of drugs, there's a great one. plus prohibition enables all gangs
I don't care what drugs you take as long as you are not physically or financial harming the people around you or the society in which you live. If you can show that doing drugs only affects you financial and physically then go for it , as long as my tax dollars are not being used to keep you alive, as long as my tax dollars are not being used to pay for your drugs,food, shelter, clothing,medical care, then it is your choice, use any drugs you want and if you destroy your life or kill yourself in the process then you've no one to blame but yourself!!!! but if I have to pay for your bad choices then it should be made criminal! So by the same logic Health care should not be in the hands of the government, and hospitals "should be" allowed to deny you care or put you in debtors prison work camp till you pay off your hospitalization bill!
It just says "Jail Time" for Mary Jane... Yeah, because unlike the harder drugs on this list you can spend a lifetime behind bars for a weed if you live in a certain state and be paid to grow it if you live in another. Dumbest policy ever.
@@URProductions Although his intent is your statement, his actual statement is more accurate. Drug use has only been on the rise post 60s, it was on the downward from the late 1800s to the 1950s, alcohol consumption even declined in the 10 years after prohibition ended. The actual answer is fixing the loosening moral standards, not more useless legislation.
You know 'Reason' is named like that because of Ayn Rand, right? "Free minds and free markets" is also what she wrote! Read The Fountainhead, or Atlas Shrugged!
Lets not forget alcohol is a drug as well. It may be legal but it is also one, if not the most dangerous.
If "the most dangerous" = the one that causes the highest number of deaths, then alcohol is definitely the most dangerous drug.
And getting drunk is illegal in much of the country. The difference between alcohol is that you can easily drink without getting drunk but it is a lot harder to smoke without getting baked.
Jesse Ward not really it depends where you are, who you are with and what you are drinking it's usually not easy to drink and be sober when you are with friends
Alcohol wasn't always legal, it's the only drug to been legally made illegal by the constitution instead of other drugs that usurp the constitution and just have federal law make it illegal.
More people die at the hands of Caffeine, than marijuana.
"Don't believe me? ...Well **** you, here's a list!"
Hahaha awesome.
Andrew Heaton is the greatest man to exist today. His podcast is fantastic (The Political Orphanage)
Jefferson, Washington, and Franklin are all convicted and sent to prison. Upon their release one year later, the inmates have formed a constitutional republic who send elected representatives to parley with the warden bi monthly. Open trade between cell blocks has led to an increased standard of living, and Terry "Hollow Point" Hernandez from D-Block has introduced a bill to the prison legislature regarding the extension of chow time. It is expected to pass with enthusiastic bi-partisan support.
Sadly, 10 years later, the prison is full of stifling regulations on trade and free food without the ability to produce your own; thus keeping you reliant on the prison. Lesson learned: Government is like a prison.
I did cocaine for 3 years and I thought it increases my perception too,It was like miracle pill for me, but then I nearly died and I still feel the consequences after 3 years off.Sometimes I'm dreaming cocaine and even dreams looks like making me high ... Knowledge comes with experience,STAY AWAY KIDS FROM COKE ! ...
I like Coke, a Cola that is.
I like coke. It burns really well, good for forging. A nice cold coke is nice after a day of forging.
FBI OPEN UP
Moderation is a virtue
All cocaine does is make you want more cocaine. Just don't do it. High over rated, paranoia and nervous wreck is what you become.. who doesn't love THAT
"Steve Jobs, ....... founder of some fruit company"
loving it!!!
Honestly did anyone doubt that Freud was high on something when he came up with his theories?
4 sure !
Thank god you did this video. It's been several hours since Reason has produced something about pot.
Social Conservatives and Libertarians have a vary similar view on drugs. A Social Conservative will look at drugs and say "I think drugs are immoral so that means we should ban them" and a Libertarian will look at drugs and say "I think drugs should be legal so that means they must be moral and how dare you criticize them". While I'm stuck in the middle arguing with Social Conservatives saying yes I agree they are bad but don't ban them while I'm also arguing with Libertarians saying yes we should make them legal but that does not make them morally okay.
Most underrated comment here.
Oh shit I I've tried all kinds of drugs (weed, hydros, alcohol, speed, Xanax, lsd, shrooms, nitrous, nicotine, caffeine, and ectasy) guess it's time unenlist from the army and go shoot up a school cause the drugs are what's bad not the individual taking them.
On what basis do you think drugs should be legal? I believe you have a distorted view of Libertarianism.
Jeff Navarro - Because we value freedom. Therefore, government should regulate as little as possible. People should be free, unless their action directly impedes on the freedom of others. Drug use itself does not directly effect others.
NJ Eddie I appreciate your reply and although I (sort of) identify as Libertarian, really my question was for Jesse Ward. I still feel it's illogical and misrepresents Libertarianism to say Libs think drugs should be legal and are therefore moral...he only said what he disagrees with, not what he himself thinks.
I’m for personal responsibility and letting people decide for themselves (legalization). This video however seems to promote drug use which I can’t get on board with.
I agree, they seem to be Making a hasty generalization based on people who are likely outliers.
My greatest fear is being seen drunk or under the influence by anybody in the town I live in... and my advice learn to enjoy sobriety... and yes I drink Foster's I averaged about two a day which is pretty much but the abstinence cleans out toxins
The Beatles: All of them
Queen: I WANT IT ALL, I WANT IT NOW!
What? Why does a Libertarian hate Ayn Rand?
Isaiah R. She was a pos.
John Barley she didn't say Libertarians ripped her off -- she said they distorted the intent of her message. Also, she didn't want anyone taking away votes from Nixon.
Hating on Rand is the "in" thing for Libertarians to do at the moment. She was far from perfect, but she had some truly incredible things to say.
She was more of an anarchist than a libertarian.
Fucking bonkers, that's why
As a libertarian I don’t care what you do but I do have a problem when the government enables drug use with taxpayer money. Make your own choices but then live with the consequences.
I am a classic Libertarian and today's Libertarian Party has abandoned its roots. Now they all seem to be big government hedonists. They want no limits on their behavior, but want the government around to pay for the consequences.
The only drugs I "use" regularly are caffeine in the form of 6 - 7 Diet Pepsis a week and a daily dose of Levothyroxine, as prescribed by my doctor. I don't use pot, have never smoked, and don't care if I ever drink another wine cooler ever again, but I don't give a dead possum fart if you do other drugs (currently legal or not)…as long as you're a legal adult (and, yes, I think that it should be okay to drink at 18, eventhough I didn't until I was 27 and pretty much stopped before 30) and don't hurt anyone in the process of using or hurt them to get the drugs. Taxpayer money needs to be put to better uses than punishing people for choosing oblivion. The only part of the "War of Drugs" that I support is punishing those who provide to minors. Also, by keeping them illegal, you romanticize their use, making them more likely to WANT to try them.
How do you propose to stop dealers selling drugs to kids under 18 who you admit do not j have the capacity to make an informed choice about whether to use or not?
@@ChristopherNFP Why would a dealer want to sell to kids? They don't have jobs. They do have guardians. They're less likely to keep drug use under the radar, which is an increased risk of exposure to the dealer. They're much more likely to die of an overdose, and tracking down the dealer in the event of a child overdose death is very likely, no one tracks down the source of most overdose deaths. There's just too many bad consequences. Legalize everything, and then at least the drugs out there won't be biker meth from a trailer park, or heroin smuggled in someones butt.
I was perscribed phentanol and morphine (both opiates) to keep from going into shock after a drunk driver plowed into me while going 100+ miles per hour. Can I be added to your list of lovable people that "did drugs"? I also would like to be included in your fight against authoritarian rules against substance abuse.
I work in a dispensary and most of the patients are women and older men .Cannabis is awesome .The head keebler elf should smoke some .
I love this guy's sense of humor!!
school counselor : We Are A drug free school any one bringing drugs on School grounds will be punished severely
Me: I have coffee
school counselor : *GUARDS SEIZE HIM*
Yes, my mom and dad take drugs and i love them, even though they're always wrestling with each other all the time
Book with too much words means author gave too little work of rewriting it, rather than too much work writing.
If Rand did speeds it was super cruel to use that energy to bloat her books x5 size of what was needed.
You forgot FDR.
We celebrate people not for drug use or slave ownership but for certain acomplishments
I doubt this guy has ever had to watch as an immediate relative destroys their life with meth.
It's a good thing no body can do meth now that it's illegal, huh?
@@URProductions never said that dude. But it's real easy to say these things when you've never seen the extent of the damage these hard drugs will do.
What the hell does Heaton have against Rand?
I have the samething against her.
Objectivism can be very hit or miss, also she was an ass.
@@rangav248 it's only hit or miss if you intermittently want to face reality.
@@blakejameson1114 I'm not saying there isn't anything good there, Spiderman and The Incredibles proved that. But.......
I mean the size of her books is a crime by itself. But also she thought that magical smart men were the only people that mattered.
"I'm out of control" lmao!
Churchill one was weak. It was dr prescribed. By that logic, I would have to claim I'm a drug-user, too.
You are a drug user.
Your body doesn’t know the legal status of a drug.
Work at a restaurant and you'll find almost everyone who works there smoked pot lmfaoo
The jefferson one is a bad example it was part of a medicine he did not do drugs recreationally
Are you saying a libertarian video is failing to give all the facts in order to advance their agenda? You heretic! ;)
He also smoked marijuana though
Nick Harrell i didn't knew, this is relevant to this being a bad example,thanks, if it is true. Yet this is shitty reason tv video. It does make a weak point that famous worthwhile people in some cases, not the one of the trash of the human being edison, did drugs and could have been arrested yet it does not make use of the shit load of arguments for drug legalization. And it the kind of video someone could have done while tripping balls. Look this people did drugs ,you like them. Let talk drugs. It is no diferent from hey this people got shot you don't wanna get shot let's talk guns.
You are using the internet recreationally. Therefore that justifies kidnapping you.
Go fuck yourself.
If you could engage the point that most drug offenders in prison are not, in fact, non-violent, but are the product of plea deals, that would be very helpful. It's often a CounterPoint in discussions.
These videos are delightful
"Which drugs should be legal?"
Me: Yes
At the end, those people didn't do weed. They did crack.
Most ww1 soldiers used amphetamines...it was standard issue to combat fatigue and depression
Drug culture is a lot wiser then mainstream culture portrays them to be. Sure you have junkies, and so forth but even some of them are not as bad as they are portrayed.
Mr. Heaton why do you dislike Ayn Rand?
Her work provides liberty and capitalism the moral bedrock and winning arguments needed to win the war of ideas.
Also her ideas are ultimately the refinement of enlightenment reasoning... Which is the foundation of the American Republic.
What of this do you take umbrage with?
I'm not sure, but I get the idea he was at least partly trolling with that
What?
Humans used lead a food flavoring for thousands of years. The Romans were very fond of "Sugar of Lead", including several emperors. That must mean it is a good idea, right? Perhaps restaurants should start serving it for consenting adults.
Statist Drinking Game: Every time a libertarian mentions drugs take a drink of your government-approved alcohol of choice.
Try not to die.
Gotta love the last line, "Reefer Madness" destroyed more lives than mary jane ever did.
tbh, the only people that, upon finding out they did drugs, receive more admiration from me than before are the founding fathers. The fact that the US population is doing drugs more than in the past seems bad.
When talking about Winston Churchill's prison sentence. Is that American law or British?
Even Jesus drank a little wine
Drug destroys your life. People in this video people are very very rare exceptions
ALF didn't do drugs, but he did have an addiction to eating cats.
When weed gives you more years in prison than meth
Black Pigeon Speaks did a video about drugs
Atlas Shrugged goes hard tho..
Are these the minimum prison sentence terms for *Federal* or *State* crimes?
Lol @ Coked out guy dropping a beat!
Drug use, abuse, and addiction are a medical issue, not a criminal act. Criminalizing a medical issue IS a criminal act.
I’m hallucinating the presenter as a cross between Ted Cruz and Hugh Grant
You guys do realize that the creator of Alf, Jerry Stahl, was a heroin addict, right? See Permanent Midnight
Everyone I love did drugs but I do drugs because no one loves me
Only 20% that ain't real mayonnaise.
lol sartre also did mescaline
That's where you're wrong kiddo.
So UK would be under the rule of germans if not for the amphetamines.. Very strange when you think about it.
Bill Gates took LSD? I thought Steve Jobs comment about him was that his interface design work would have been better if he'd tried LSD.
You really think only that many presidents did drugs? I'd say. Conservative estimate of the amount of people who have tried illicit drugs is 50%. And how can we exclude prescriptions from that count? Then it'd be 99%.
Looks like our country, and world for that matter, would be in pretty bad shape without those drug users. Some of the greatest people in history that accomplished some of the greatest things. Just shows you that drug use doesn't make people worthless junkies. And the fact that they would all be in jail here today just shows how blatantly stupid the war on drugs, and this new " opiod epidemic" or hysteria as I call it are. People that need these drugs and use them properly can be not only good and productive people, but great people that can do amazing things. The people that make policy in this country seriously need to chill the hell out and do everything they can to get their heads out of their asses. Maybe drugs would help with that.
>Grant did blow
That makes a lot of sense
This is a bad argument, it'd be like saying, "because I like the Founding Fathers and the Founding Fathers practiced slavery, it should be legal." I'm not against people doing whatever they want to their bodies, but this is not de way to go about promoting legalization.
Thank you.
The argument being made, though I know that you got it Thomas Hägg but for anyone who did not, was that the stereotype of the loser stoner and the face-eating maniac are not the truth. That guy may exist, but not everybody who does drugs is that guy.
well no, it was really that many important and/or inspirational figures used drugs. and that's why u should support legalization.
not, "x did immoral thing, so it should be legal." that's a ridiculous argument
M Rey Classic failure in the brain housing group. Slavery, the epitome of stripping human rights. Smoking pot, pretty much harmless in every way to both the user and everyone around them. Yeah, that's not apples to oranges or anything.
Slavery is clear harm to another person. Using a drug (some you think are so great we have billion dollar big pharma, or that we all should have a RIGHT to receive all the drugs they will ever hand out) does not harm another.
Its not the argument at all that Thomas Jefferson had drugs so you "should" also have to have drugs. Because then we will ride on a slippery slope like you should have the same drugs which he had in his time access to and so on. It's only an attempt to refute the argument by anti-drug people that drug consumers are always fuckedheart people since you can never call Winston Churchil or Ayn Rand a fuckedheart person.
Jefferson is the only one on the list I 'love'.
Your jacket doesn't fit properly.
How can this video have 59 likes (to 876 likes)? Andrew is da bong.
They were taking landalum as medicine, not to be cool or have a good time
Nope, laudanum was taken for all of those reasons.
Jeff Navarro source?
Paul Mckenzie Laudanum is very old, and especially popular in Victorian times...although superficially it was billed as "medicine" people took it for all the reasons people take drugs. Nice article: mentalfloss.com/article/89268/lure-laudanum-victorians-favorite-drug
Jeff Navarro I kinda meant the founding fathers not Victorian era
Glorifying drug use while not mentioning the harm and horror stories of drug use/abuse? Both types of drug use are real, and so a well-reasoned treatise of the issue should include both facets. Be well-reasoned. Be honest, which means tell the WHOLE story. Otherwise you're just another political propagandist who thinks they know best and so is trying to deceive people into supporting their point of view.
Alf did do drugs. His drugs was cotton pillow stuffing
This was pretty good until the music at 6:00
My mom and dad did it. Good enough for me.
I'm with you, Heaton. I agree with Rand's policy prescriptions, but I loathe her and her worldview.
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait WAIT... Heaton don't like Rand???
i support decriminalization of drugs, but i dont support the idea of saying that drugs is a normal thing with no damage and it´s just like tic tacs
Wow are we boring ?
Neil Degrass Tyson did a lot of LSD.
Also, a lot of accomplished, well-respected historical figures were racists. It was a different time.
Why is heaton not a fan
Churchill did opium too.
Johnny Cash???
Libertarians are the only ones who watch reason, and I’m pretty sure most libertarians and conservatives hold great respect for Ayn Rand. You don’t need to sell her short to appeal to a bunch of liberals who aren’t even watching your show to begin with.
This was not a balanced video, kind of surprised Reason. 2) didn’t T. Jefferson also later Work to a pose owning people?
wat
if you mean oppose owning people, yes. Unlike many pro-drug activists, he actually believed in following laws, like the ones that prevented him from freeing his slaves.
I don't care what drugs you take as long as you are not physically or financial harming the people around you or the society in which you live. If you can show that doing drugs only affects you financial and physically then go for it , as long as my tax dollars are not being used to keep you alive, as long as my tax dollars are not being used to pay for your drugs,food, shelter, clothing,medical care, then it is your choice, use any drugs you want and if you destroy your life or kill yourself in the process then you've no one to blame but yourself!!!! but if I have to pay for your bad choices then it should be made criminal!
All depends what you do with your life while on them and how safely you use them. If you are stealing from strangers or loved ones, yes, you have a problemo. If you are stuck on govt benefits and do not have enough money to live on, nope, no problem at all!
we hate edison he stole most of his patents anyways.
Don't meet your heroes.
Wow. I have been defeated! *GASP!*
Stop lying. "Everybody you love did drugs." The phrase "did drugs" in the common vernacular has a pretty clear meaning and connotation. Stop lying for clicks. It's a real turn-off man. 😎
Why don't you like Ayn Rand?
Thomas Edison was also overrated.
I love myself and I never did drugs.
Yes you have. Ever drank coffee? Coca Cola? Beer? Ever vaped or smoked? Ever taken any kind of medication, prescription or otherwise? Oh and don’t worry I saved the best til last. Ever eaten any food product with sugar in? Yes. You have.
@@Hawklaxx the context of the video are only drugs that are considered illegal. Nice try though.
@@damnsurfer522 that’s a fair point however to put it as a blanket statement that “you never did drugs” is just factually incorrect. Furthermore ever heard of DMT? The most powerful hallucinogen known to man? That’s produced naturally in the brain of almost every mammal on earth, including us humans and by extension, you.
why don't you like ayn rand?
The beatles. All the drugs! Lol
Not Pete Best, though.
Ironically, the only drug that ever really caused them problems was Harrison's eventual lung problems from tobacco use.
@A L Yeah, they had to scrape him off the ceiling before those sessions.
All you need is drugs. Drugs are all you need.
I mean..me too
I can not possibly imagine why someone would think that they have moral authority over what others put inside their bodies. Or why someone would think that some people are immune from the responsibilities of those actions.
Lol. I feel you. The legal driving limit has no bearings on drug consumption. And I doubt many parents would let their children consume liquor at the age of 13 but those who would are undeterred by federal mandates. What is your next critique on my ideology.
I simply believe that the majority of federal mandates are unethical and difficult to enforce including legal drinking age and driving age.
Mo Goff oh then why are there rules that you must not do this and that
+Saul Spanco Do you not realize that you're literally virtue signalling to try to shame someone for standing up for their rights?
I simply believe that the only unethical actions are ones that break promises, hurt people, or take their things.
Chopin used Opium to treat the symptoms of his tuberculosis. It may also be of note that he died at 39. It's not absurd to consider that the use of opium may have contributed to him dying at a young age.
I know that it would make the video more dull, but you might want to distinguish why certain people used the drugs, because at times these drugs were used as medicine, not just "to have a good time." Just to be intellectually honest.
if you're looking for intellectual honesty, look elsewhere.
He gave several reasons why these people used drugs. Did you not pay attention?
The thing is... Substances that we consider drugs today in the colloquial sense were not the same things that were considered drugs back then. If many of these people, like Chopin, had the alternative medicine that we have today, then they may not have turned to opium, hence using them for medical purposes and having them prescribed would not help the argument. If people used Opium today, I highly doubt that it would be to treat tuberculosis.
Also I am aware that he gave several reasons in a broad sense. I was referring to why each individual in the list used the drug, like (health/recreation/etc.)
Chopin had tuberculosis but it was opium that caused him to die young?
@Evan opium makes you feel great though which many of the modern day equivalents do not. And that can have a profound impact on your willingness to try to fight an illness rather than succumb to it.
I don't know why other people shit on you all the time. You are the only ones who stick to libertarian principles no matter who is in office.
substance use has no place in the hands of a government. no one should be able to dictate what i put in my own body.
for every bad aspect of drugs, there's a great one. plus prohibition enables all gangs
I don't care what drugs you take as long as you are not physically or financial harming the people around you or the society in which you live. If you can show that doing drugs only affects you financial and physically then go for it , as long as my tax dollars are not being used to keep you alive, as long as my tax dollars are not being used to pay for your drugs,food, shelter, clothing,medical care, then it is your choice, use any drugs you want and if you destroy your life or kill yourself in the process then you've no one to blame but yourself!!!! but if I have to pay for your bad choices then it should be made criminal! So by the same logic Health care should not be in the hands of the government, and hospitals "should be" allowed to deny you care or put you in debtors prison work camp till you pay off your hospitalization bill!
@@ABGAN100 yes
ALL DRUGS SHOULD BE DECRIMINALIZED!!!
MGTOW Psyche that doesn’t go far enough!
All drugs should be MANDATORY!
You are going against the NAP!
MGTOW Psyche ok, maybe you’re right.
But all drugs should be STRONGLY RECOMMENDED, at least!
@@michaelgusovsky What the fuck?
Somebody wants to be popular.
The most shocking part about this is the not liking Ayn Rand portion
It just says "Jail Time" for Mary Jane... Yeah, because unlike the harder drugs on this list you can spend a lifetime behind bars for a weed if you live in a certain state and be paid to grow it if you live in another. Dumbest policy ever.
While I recognize that drugs are really bad for people,and society as a whole, I also understand that the war on drugs is a loosing battle.
*losing
@@URProductions Although his intent is your statement, his actual statement is more accurate. Drug use has only been on the rise post 60s, it was on the downward from the late 1800s to the 1950s, alcohol consumption even declined in the 10 years after prohibition ended. The actual answer is fixing the loosening moral standards, not more useless legislation.
You know 'Reason' is named like that because of Ayn Rand, right? "Free minds and free markets" is also what she wrote! Read The Fountainhead, or Atlas Shrugged!