I always thought that it was a myth or that it was only possible in the expansion. It's funny because I can tell you most of the people who played Medieval II never actually sailed to the americas.
I find it weird that a lot of people didn't know about this. I played this when I was 13 and as soon as I could recruit carracks my first instinct was to sail west. Pretty cool tbh
LOL that "Earth is round" event. People understood that the earth was a spherical celestial body continuously from when the theory was confirmed in the 3rd century BC onward-- that knowledge was never lost nor denied in the entire history of Christendom, and in fact spread on Christianity's back to all corners of Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire. People thought Columbus was crazy not because he said the Earth was round, but because his estimates for its diameter were hella conservative and most scholars recognized this.
No, no, you're thinking of heliocentricity: the notion that the Earth orbits the Sun. Aristotle, the ancient Greek philosopher, created a model for the solar system in which the Sun, Moon and planets were round and in orbit around one another; however, he placed Earth, not the Sun, at the center of this model, and pretty much everyone thereafter for centuries went along with it. Heliocentricity cropped up periodically, because there were some gaps in the geocentric (Earth-in-the-middle) theory; the early Renaissance saw multiple people, including Galileo and Copernicus, present this theory, but it wasn't until later that lenses were developed with sufficient magnifying power to prove it.
The Church went against these ancient teachings as any contradiction to the Bible could risk making it not credible, so the Church hid the books explaining it, and persecuted anyone who disagreed such as Bruno. Columbus had to convince the Spanish Queen the Earth was round before he could get any funding. If people already accepted the world was round by common knowledge why didn't people venture off before?
1. They went against philosophical principles wich would contradict their mainstream theology, but even that was mostly resolved by St. Thomas Aquinas. In general, all acient knowledge were widely studied by the scholars of the time. 2. The Church only started prohibiting books after the Protestant Reformation, wich is after the Age of Discovery had already started. 3. Bruno wasn't persecuted for scientific subjects. 4. Not true about Queen Isabella. The opposition was the exactly the same: Colombus had understimated the distance to Asia. The same reason why Portugal refused to fund him. It was ultimately accepted because it was a good bet. 5. They ventured before and failed, with ships never returning. The technological advancements were fundamental to the success of ocean travels.
Some Theologians taught that the earth was flat, however the magisterium has never taught such. That is to say, no pope ever declared it such, nor seemed to care. A matter of fact the Columbus trip makes more since if you assume it was round. At this time period the Byzantines were being over run by the Turks. Europe was losing access to the silk road and the churches in India lost contact with the rest of Christendom. They had been requesting for much time more priests, however they were not making it through Muslim territory. If Columbus could find a way to India through an ocean route he could reconnect Europe to India and China via trade as well as get more priests over to India as had been requested. So in summary the story of Christopher Columbus was a story of a Catholic man going to Catholic monarchs to fund a exploration voyage for the Catholic Church in order to reestablish communications with churches in India. The monarchs would of course be able to reap any rewards gained from new ocean trade. This is a trip that none of the parties involved would have been up to if they thought the world flat, and if it was something taught by the magisterium, then believing otherwise would be enough to get them excommunicated. On the other hand upon discovering this new land Christopher talked in letters to the Spanish monarchs to use the money to fund a crusade of the Holy land, and for the Pope to send priests to the new world in order to convert the locals. He did not find India but they still got what they were looking for. Wealth and converts. Why? because from the very beginning they believed the world round.
Yeah lol I just searched napoleon. Total war, and found a site for atilla total war and it led to Facebook where I read the replies to a message "medieval 3" and heard about it so I looked it up so it on a website, and it all made sense like where would the Aztecs be during the campaign and the fact that I had started a campaign as them once but never saved since it was weird with the terrain since I didn't see any countries.
Yes there is. You can only cross the deep sea wall with a carrack or grand carrack. It can only be built by having a dockyard which becomes available when the "world is round" event pops up at about year 1400.
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If you make Mongols, Timurids your vassals you can transfer them to the New World by offering a territory there instead of that they possess in the Old World.
In the regular Medieval 2, the Americas wasn't all to complex, and when they live in the US, thats just them living there, or conquering rebels (toggle fog of war cheat can have you looking at America turn 1, theres rebels there) But in Medieval 2 Kingdoms, America campaign, theres a few Mexican factions, and then the Apaches (I think in vanilla, these would be labeled aztecs) and rebels in the US.
new easiest way. Wait till medieval kingdomes is on sale, buy it , play americas campaign. Done btw you can play as aztects mayans and it is so much more fun with alot of other factions
There is a mod that lets you play as any faction in the game. I chose to play as the Aztecs, then sailed across the atlantic and conquered Great Brittan :3
Ya this is my first campaign since I got this game on steam about a week ago. I also read that in either newer or older versions (like 1.0 or 1.2 or whatever) the gunpowder won't come till like turn 100 something. Thanks a lot for the help man!!!
Holy shit, what a coincidence. A few days ago, I did read that Carracks where capable of trans-atlantic journey but Id never figured out to actually test this. Wow, just wow.
thanks so much:) for You, Tom, I'm confusing about "how to go America", makes ne of My Family member takes 5 years since His sail, now I know where exactly is it, thanks again :)
we can all agree that the Greeks had mind enchanting drugs since everything was made and discovered by them but sadly others took credit for it "mainly Romans".
@GDXTom Now I know what to do, but I am yet encountering problems. -_- When I click save, it says: Cannot save C:Programs blah-blah-blah-descr_script. And it won't let me save the file.
Well, if they could have fleshed out Eastern North and Central America then I'd agree with you. Otherwise, leaving only 1-3 provinces would've been a gimmick. Better to add more settlements and factions in Europe instead.
You are right if you think that the world is flat, which was the perception before the discovery of the New World. But if you maintain the globe aspect of the world and imagine curvy longitude and latitude lines on the mini map, it's not as diappointing, but yea its not that great for the purpose of the game.
Once I conquered the whole world except for the America’s so I was getting frustrated when after like 20 turns I still haven’t gotten the notice so I ended a campaign without being allowed to go to America 😡
hey GDTXTom i did exactly what you did cept i went to the new world a lil later. but i didnt get that Aztec pop up vid i got something different. and i cant go deeper in to the new world. whys is that?
My england campaign already turn 90 and still there hasn't any gunpowder event, i got the mongol invansion on turn 80s. Why the gunpowder event didn't come to me?!
please someone help me! i got a new laptop and i wanted to try widescreen so after it fully downloaded i tried playing but the options and stuff during the gameplay are on the top! ive tried everything but i do no know what to do, how do i put it back normally?
how can you choose every faction in the campaining because i can only choose from spain , portugal , holy roman empire, venice , milan , france and england
Nevermind that was in test cases. Ok mine says 210 220 so I guess I will be getting it soon. I modded mine so the end date was 6000 instead of modding the timescale because that moves back all of the events. So thanks for you help a lot!!! I really appreciate it and I will subscribe if I haven't already
@mouthforwar17 You need to defeat it ( If I remember correctly) or unlock manualy by puting scotland from Unlockable to Unlocked (or something like that)
Guys there is an easier way but in invshowolves a little bit of cheating.... if you have the whole map unlocked/ seen if not type in toggle_fow into medieval shell. Put you cursor over the Americas and type into shell show_cursorstat" this will give you cords on the location then select a general and type move_character (character name) (coords) your character will jump to the new world and it will discover it.
The best thing in this game is you can use cheats .. make lot of many and build everything in any settlement and increase population ... make strong army .. After that .. you can start kicking other factions Asses :D great video if someone wanna play fair .. keep it up
ok , thanks , but how do i clean the squalor, cause it makes my people unhappy , or the plague. all my cities has plague , even jerusalem and timbuktu...
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BUT my lord, this is impossible!
+Christian Shelton haha
XD
Wtf ghahaha
buhahahahahahahaha
only ask the possible mighty sultan
I always thought that it was a myth or that it was only possible in the expansion. It's funny because I can tell you most of the people who played Medieval II never actually sailed to the americas.
Históric correct
Me when I tell that foolish sailor that there's nothing but sea to the west and spain would never give him ships
true ,till internet expanded my mind did in this matter
Im playing in 2024 i aint even knew i thought the timurids were the last surprise
Really !?!
this changes... everything.....
Countries that yet not have embraced colonialism.........
@unexpectedgamers I’m so late but race to dragons edge?!?!
6 regions change everything?
@@TheRealAgemo I don't believe that you wrote enough dots................ ......... .... .. ... . .. . . ... . .
@@aleaiactaest6503 1 year late lmao, that's reference to Europa universalis 4
Giving them a province in Europe is a nice suggestion. Thanks
I find it weird that a lot of people didn't know about this. I played this when I was 13 and as soon as I could recruit carracks my first instinct was to sail west. Pretty cool tbh
Yeah but not a lot of ppls actually plays a whole campaign to the turn 161
LOL that "Earth is round" event. People understood that the earth was a spherical celestial body continuously from when the theory was confirmed in the 3rd century BC onward-- that knowledge was never lost nor denied in the entire history of Christendom, and in fact spread on Christianity's back to all corners of Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire. People thought Columbus was crazy not because he said the Earth was round, but because his estimates for its diameter were hella conservative and most scholars recognized this.
Patrick Zemites i thought that they discovered the world was round when Galileo and a few other people after him proved it several times.
No, no, you're thinking of heliocentricity: the notion that the Earth orbits the Sun. Aristotle, the ancient Greek philosopher, created a model for the solar system in which the Sun, Moon and planets were round and in orbit around one another; however, he placed Earth, not the Sun, at the center of this model, and pretty much everyone thereafter for centuries went along with it. Heliocentricity cropped up periodically, because there were some gaps in the geocentric (Earth-in-the-middle) theory; the early Renaissance saw multiple people, including Galileo and Copernicus, present this theory, but it wasn't until later that lenses were developed with sufficient magnifying power to prove it.
The Church went against these ancient teachings as any contradiction to the Bible could risk making it not credible, so the Church hid the books explaining it, and persecuted anyone who disagreed such as Bruno. Columbus had to convince the Spanish Queen the Earth was round before he could get any funding. If people already accepted the world was round by common knowledge why didn't people venture off before?
1. They went against philosophical principles wich would contradict their mainstream theology, but even that was mostly resolved by St. Thomas Aquinas. In general, all acient knowledge were widely studied by the scholars of the time.
2. The Church only started prohibiting books after the Protestant Reformation, wich is after the Age of Discovery had already started.
3. Bruno wasn't persecuted for scientific subjects.
4. Not true about Queen Isabella. The opposition was the exactly the same: Colombus had understimated the distance to Asia. The same reason why Portugal refused to fund him. It was ultimately accepted because it was a good bet.
5. They ventured before and failed, with ships never returning. The technological advancements were fundamental to the success of ocean travels.
Some Theologians taught that the earth was flat, however the magisterium has never taught such. That is to say, no pope ever declared it such, nor seemed to care. A matter of fact the Columbus trip makes more since if you assume it was round.
At this time period the Byzantines were being over run by the Turks. Europe was losing access to the silk road and the churches in India lost contact with the rest of Christendom. They had been requesting for much time more priests, however they were not making it through Muslim territory. If Columbus could find a way to India through an ocean route he could reconnect Europe to India and China via trade as well as get more priests over to India as had been requested.
So in summary the story of Christopher Columbus was a story of a Catholic man going to Catholic monarchs to fund a exploration voyage for the Catholic Church in order to reestablish communications with churches in India. The monarchs would of course be able to reap any rewards gained from new ocean trade. This is a trip that none of the parties involved would have been up to if they thought the world flat, and if it was something taught by the magisterium, then believing otherwise would be enough to get them excommunicated.
On the other hand upon discovering this new land Christopher talked in letters to the Spanish monarchs to use the money to fund a crusade of the Holy land, and for the Pope to send priests to the new world in order to convert the locals. He did not find India but they still got what they were looking for. Wealth and converts. Why? because from the very beginning they believed the world round.
I'v had this game for what feel's like year's and i never knew you could do this. Thank you for the info.
the exact same with me thank you.
Yeah lol I just searched napoleon. Total war, and found a site for atilla total war and it led to Facebook where I read the replies to a message "medieval 3" and heard about it so I looked it up so it on a website, and it all made sense like where would the Aztecs be during the campaign and the fact that I had started a campaign as them once but never saved since it was weird with the terrain since I didn't see any countries.
Thank you! :D
I tried this but there was a wall around America?
Yes there is. You can only cross the deep sea wall with a carrack or grand carrack. It can only be built by having a dockyard which becomes available when the "world is round" event pops up at about year 1400.
lol I thought he was making a trump joke
Adam Quinn lol same
antartica
me too !
it's so funny how america is tiny af compared to the rest of the campaign map
AND YOU CAN GET TO THE CARIBBEAN BY SAILING STRAIGHT WEST FROM IRELAND
Like a boss.
Khorps I found fucking Florida XD XD XD 😆😆😆
can English ships go to America ??
hmm I think I'm gonna build a sail boat then
Yeah ik it really bothers me.
To think how many actually didn't know this was possible since the game came out. 2006.
I didn't even think about it.
Colombus had great imagination
Pasha Staravoitau same
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1. Trump jokes
2. EU4 jokes
3. 7 years later still tons of people commenting that they didn't know you could do this.
Hope World War 3 is not happening on your end
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Oh my, why are we here... This video AND game are a tad old..
Hi . How you get Papal state to play with ?
January 2020, we almost had a ww3, are you a time traveler?
Welcome to 2020 boi, WW3 already happened and humanity is being wiped out by a pandemic that just reached GREENLAND
5.20 the world is on lockdown
5:08 in game, that actually made me laugh so hard. Just the peaceful intro and then... The aztecs *blood slaughter killing sacrificing pillaging*
classic aztecs
3:28 ALL ABORD THE ICE CREAM BOAT!
When ice cream got invented
You sure don't want to miss voting on the Pope and having his Papal blessing before the adventure.
What I want to know more than anything is how you made it that far into the game without the entire world declaring war on you?
Active Diplomacy?
diplomacy in this game is not broken it is genius it is the player that cant understand it
zedio369 my question why are the Mongols Milan and Egypt such dicks.
zedio369 if world declare war on you. Declare war right back!
Stupid question.
I was so surprised when i accidentally ended up in America, i thought i broke the game
I played this Game since years and i didnt knew that
If you make Mongols, Timurids your vassals you can transfer them to the New World by offering a territory there instead of that they possess in the Old World.
That sound when transferring multiple agents between ships...
I have one city in america.
I went there as Poland.
Well, nobody said "Poland cannot into America"
poland can into space
Maximilian Schmitz poland can boom
In Soviet Poland, boats sail you
O jakiś Polak wkoncu
6:12 "...to test if they have the technology to sail to Europe..."
Since when is Mexico at the same geographical level as Norway???
@AlexNOSAM but América is completely wrong and deformed
I love the fact that for some reason, the aztecs can be found on the united states when the only were on mexico
In the regular Medieval 2, the Americas wasn't all to complex, and when they live in the US, thats just them living there, or conquering rebels (toggle fog of war cheat can have you looking at America turn 1, theres rebels there)
But in Medieval 2 Kingdoms, America campaign, theres a few Mexican factions, and then the Apaches (I think in vanilla, these would be labeled aztecs) and rebels in the US.
xXDJLEE02Xx lol, aztecas and apaches have nothing to do with each other xD
Santiago Garrigos They're still Mesoamericans, both of em
xXDJLEE02Xx meh, gues you're right
Woa
Playing since the beginning
Never knew that
Wow! I never knew you could do this. I always wondered why the Aztecs were available in custom battles.
i conquered them in 4 turns ! they are so weak !
Maybe they were distracted doing blood sacrifices to their false Gods ...
@@serenemountain6769 Lmao. Answered after 7 years..
@@jimcrow582 ,😂😂😂 after 7 yearss
@@jimcrow582 thats what happens when you use Internet explorer
Dam even old comment in kinda dead games videos that's cool ngl I thought I were the only one here reading this nostalgic comments
You canceling those 2 buildings when it only had 1 turn until completion triggered me so much.
im on like turn 100 but i dont even have guns yet XD
AermakStudios I am at 180 and i dont have muskets but i have carracks
😓💷👚xxx the best way former
***** Yeah but i still cant recruit musketeers
This is a course we CANNOT go
:O, MY NEXT PORT UPGRADE IS CARRACK! Thank you sir, you have made my day.
new easiest way. Wait till medieval kingdomes is on sale, buy it , play americas campaign. Done
btw you can play as aztects mayans and it is so much more fun with alot of other factions
@Ricola Britannia is bae. I wish Thrones of Britannia was as good as that.
Lol i remeber watching this when i was like 5, im 17 now
I managed to get the world is round for the english at turn 161
Played this game for many hours. MANY! Loved it. Thanks for sharing. 👍👍
There is a mod that lets you play as any faction in the game. I chose to play as the Aztecs, then sailed across the atlantic and conquered Great Brittan :3
There is a mod for kingdoms that lets you play with any faction in the world, plus you have the world map at your disposal!
That ships can be built without gunpowder opening? Some changes in text
just another sign that total war is amazing
2:40 Zillio the Saint... 2 Piety.
it takes decades to get to america lol...
The World is Round. The debate still rages.
I remember playing this thinking you could only get to the new world as Spain or Portugal so I never tried with another faction.
I got there in my Russian campaign, that was the only time I played a campaign long enough to get to the New World
One rule to rule them all: turn of advices 😂
Great video.
Thanks man I'm only on turn 80 something, the mongols just invaded so I'll keep going!!! Thanks and I love the vids!
Ya this is my first campaign since I got this game on steam about a week ago. I also read that in either newer or older versions (like 1.0 or 1.2 or whatever) the gunpowder won't come till like turn 100 something. Thanks a lot for the help man!!!
The tutorial of my childhood
Holy shit, what a coincidence. A few days ago, I did read that Carracks where capable of trans-atlantic journey but Id never figured out to actually test this.
Wow, just wow.
thanks so much:) for You, Tom, I'm confusing about "how to go America", makes ne of My Family member takes 5 years since His sail, now I know where exactly is it, thanks again :)
This was my best gaming-moment ever.
Did anyone ever see the AI go to America's ? i never have
Bart Custers The AI can never go to America. Only the Aztecs and maybe settled rebels can move about there.
i just come to here to watch the comfyness of the vid
funny how you had to wait for the world is round event, when that was discovered during classical times by the greeks
we can all agree that the Greeks had mind enchanting drugs since everything was made and discovered by them but sadly others took credit for it "mainly Romans".
Omg thank you!!!!
@GDXTom Now I know what to do, but I am yet encountering problems. -_- When I click save, it says: Cannot save C:Programs blah-blah-blah-descr_script. And it won't let me save the file.
It's a shame that mt2w stainless steel dosen't let you go to america,that mod would be even better than it already is
Well, if they could have fleshed out Eastern North and Central America then I'd agree with you. Otherwise, leaving only 1-3 provinces would've been a gimmick. Better to add more settlements and factions in Europe instead.
Yeah better
I have several crashes in siege with stainless steel......totally unplayable
I want to know if it is possible for the natives to get boats and go to Europe? It would have been very cool to be able to do that, lol.
+Arogon I know It isnt the same but I modded my Empire TW to play as natives and they got Dhows as ships.Dhows?Really?
no you can sell them or gift them regeins and they will be in erupore
Crusader Kings 2 Sunset Invasion
you can
some guy made a tutorial how to do it in vanilla
hard tho
You are right if you think that the world is flat, which was the perception before the discovery of the New World. But if you maintain the globe aspect of the world and imagine curvy longitude and latitude lines on the mini map, it's not as diappointing, but yea its not that great for the purpose of the game.
How come I'm on turn 91 and still not discovered Gunpowder?
Samuel Peters because the guy of the video changed the date in the descr_events folder
just play play and play
Thank you lol, I found it, never knew this existed for about 2+ years now!!
@AregonRay I know I meant around the 80 turns. Like, turn 80-89? Not the 1980's but lol now that I think of it it does sound like I wrote it that way.
Can you go to america with the byzantine empire?
+Nyxantine thx
Once I conquered the whole world except for the America’s so I was getting frustrated when after like 20 turns I still haven’t gotten the notice so I ended a campaign without being allowed to go to America 😡
how u can play with Russia and egypt?!
Thank you for hd version
How do you have the option to play as papal states? is it with a cheat?
yes
hey GDTXTom i did exactly what you did cept i went to the new world a lil later. but i didnt get that Aztec pop up vid i got something different. and i cant go deeper in to the new world. whys is that?
Is it possible to trvel to south America? Or just the part of America from the Kingdoms DLC?
+Paulo Portela there's a really small portion of northeastern brazil. it's just one province occupied by rebels.
Oh so you just have to keep on sailing there? Into the black?
Do u know how to setup the third age because i have it downloaded and installed but still dont know how to set it up and play it
My england campaign already turn 90 and still there hasn't any gunpowder event, i got the mongol invansion on turn 80s. Why the gunpowder event didn't come to me?!
Rendy Cholas Insagi got gun powder at the 100 turn
please someone help me! i got a new laptop and i wanted to try widescreen so after it fully downloaded i tried playing but the options and stuff during the gameplay are on the top! ive tried everything but i do no know what to do, how do i put it back normally?
You can make the Timurids and Mongols go to the Americas by using commands.
or just give them a provence in there
wow after 15 years i did not know
@GDXTom ok when i do that. it says im not allowed to make changes to that file..what do i do then?
how can you choose every faction in the campaining because i can only choose from spain , portugal , holy roman empire, venice , milan , france and england
@GDXTom ok when i try to save "descr_strat" after ive made changes then i go to save it and it says access denied
went northwest from the mediterranean, discovered the aztecs
Can you do this in stainless steel 6.4?
Muramasa S No
Oh wow that's awesome! :D I'm so going to try this. :D
He didn't say to take shitload of merchants with you!
the Aztecs are for-are for-...........
-ible indeed!
good old days
Nevermind that was in test cases. Ok mine says 210 220 so I guess I will be getting it soon. I modded mine so the end date was 6000 instead of modding the timescale because that moves back all of the events. So thanks for you help a lot!!! I really appreciate it and I will subscribe if I haven't already
Naval Drydock is so expensive as hell.
@mouthforwar17 You need to defeat it ( If I remember correctly) or unlock manualy by puting scotland from Unlockable to Unlocked (or something like that)
im playing as france and i have a citadel that city that starts with a T and is southwest of your capital. how come i cant get a dockyard?
oh man I'm going to have fun with this!!!
i just started playing Medieval 2 and one of my quests is to go over seas to an island and i was wondering how i get a ship.
get docks... QQQQ
ca i use grande carrack to go to america? im playing with the spanish, and i have the grade carrack.
Definitely, I think you can use a caravel too.
What's the faction with the white flag and circular red logo? I know it's not singapor airways
mmm i have a problem im in the turn 124 and i have all the regions so i have to wait 40 turns to make big docklands? ( im with england)
Great vid! How did you reset the first advice about what to conquer first, who are your neighbours, etc.?
@GDXTom It was a Citadel. More detailed: It was Ajacco upgraded into citadel.
Guys there is an easier way but in invshowolves a little bit of cheating.... if you have the whole map unlocked/ seen if not type in toggle_fow into medieval shell. Put you cursor over the Americas and type into shell show_cursorstat" this will give you cords on the location then select a general and type move_character (character name) (coords) your character will jump to the new world and it will discover it.
yeah but ur character, at least for me, disspears forever...
if i hadn't cheated in this game then maybe i would've known there was america too
hey man i can go in america with the spanish campaign ?? im ask you because im not have this big ships
It does, basically any country apart from the Non-playables can go there
a ok man thank you
yes, even the portuguese can go there !
according to Thomas E. Woods Jr. people already knew the world is round in middle ages.....
The best thing in this game is you can use cheats .. make lot of many and build everything in any settlement and increase population ... make strong army ..
After that .. you can start kicking other factions Asses :D
great video if someone wanna play fair .. keep it up
I have the problem why can't I press next turn all of the sudden
ok , thanks , but how do i clean the squalor, cause it makes my people unhappy , or the plague. all my cities has plague , even jerusalem and timbuktu...
do you have to to get all the factions in it to get to the americas or can you get to new zealand and other lands around that area
I like that what you sayd about to give aztecs some city`s in europe!
Nice tutorial btw.