Ultion Nuki Review - HomeKit Compatible Smart Multipoint Door Lock for UK homes
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
- The Ultion Nuki is one of only a few multipoint UK door compatible smart locks. Here's my review after using it for 3 weeks.
Purchase Links:
Ultion Store on Amazon: geni.us/mbwTUP
Ultion Nuki for doors under 55mm thick: geni.us/f5pwOvd
Ultion Nuki for doors over 55mm thick: geni.us/owOkJg
Ultion Nuki pack with bridge: geni.us/haKCen
Ultion Nuki pack with bridge and keypad: geni.us/6mK6
Ultion Nuki pack with bridge, keypad and fob: geni.us/TmYuG7q
Nuki Battery Pack: geni.us/Xu5Nbp
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All the purchase links below...
Ultion Store on Amazon: geni.us/mbwTUP
Ultion Nuki for doors under 55mm thick: geni.us/f5pwOvd
Ultion Nuki for doors over 55mm thick: geni.us/owOkJg
Ultion Nuki pack with bridge: geni.us/haKCen
Ultion Nuki pack with bridge and keypad: geni.us/6mK6
Ultion Nuki pack with bridge, keypad and fob: geni.us/TmYuG7q
Nuki Battery Pack: geni.us/Xu5Nbp
Very useful. Thank you!
I’ve been following smart locks for a while now and I’m glad I’ve found this as an option for us here in the UK. My door at current is a bit awkward. To unlock it from outside you have to turn the key as normal, once it’s unlocked you have to turn it a little bit extra, hold it in place and then push the handle down to open the door. Do you think this will work with my door? I’m not sure if it’s a feature of the current handle or the whole locking mechanism. Thanks for the informative review.
That sounds like a standard multi-point door which is what I have and the Ultion Nuki works with it as it does that last turn too…it also has an open function which can just do that last little bit
Thanks for the review. Quite a few people on Amazon say that it's very slow when using with Apple Homekit. Have you found that to be the case?
There is a slightly longer delay but it’s not much at all and I think it does depend on your internet speed and how close your lock is to your hub (mine is actually only about 5-10feet away from my Apple TV
Have you considered the Avia Smart Lock which appears to have an automatic lock on raising the handle feature
I’ll look that one up
Very helpful, thank you!
Hi Mark.
Do you need to use the Ultion handle? Can you just fit the smart lock part and keep the original handle that the UPVC door has? What does the Ultion handle do?
Many thanks and great videos.
Craig
You don't have to, there are some mounts that come with the Nuki smart lock part of the package you could use to attach it to your existing handle...you don't even have to replace the cylinder although you do need a cylinder that can unlock whilst a key is in the other side. At this point though you'd be better off buying the Nuki separately for £150 and a new cylinder if you need one amzn.to/443MEa7
Hello Mark, thank you for such wonderful review 👍🏼 do you know which cylinder lock can I buy in order for Nuki smart lock to work? Perhaps you have some links for your recommended cylinders? I live in UK and my door has multi lock system. Thank you 😊
If you’re just looking at the Nuki and not the Ultion Nuki then Nuki do sell their own amzn.to/4bI64FM but it’s quite expensive. The most affordable option is to get something like a Yale thumbturn one and order the free Nuki adapter for Yale thumbturns
Thank you very much Mark for such fast reply and for giving me an advise! To be honest I do want to buy Ultion Nuki, however they sell Ultion Nuki 3.0 on their website or if you purchase Ultion Nuki plus they send Nuki 4.0 version. I emailed them as their website info says that they sell Nuki 3.0 or 3.0 pro and they clarified as this “The Nuki Plus is currently V4 (website not updated as yet)”.
I think it is very cheeky of them to sell pro/plus option when as a customer you receive 4.0 version but spend way more than it should be for what you get. I love the Ultion version for the security aspect and for seamless handle but I cannot find Ultion Nuki that comes with 4.0 pro version.
That is cheeky! I expect they have a lot of stock with the Nuki 3 bundled so want to shift it first! If you go for the official Nuki cylinder and the Nuki 4 then you get the same 3* level of security, just not the custom interior door handle which may or may not matter
Thanks for the great review here Mark. I’m just trying to fully understand the process of the ‘lock and go’. Can you actually just close the door and go, or do you have to lift the outside handle still before it will lock?
You still need to lift the handle. Basically the double-tap lock and go unlocks the door from the inside and gives you 20 seconds to get out and lift up the handle and then it will lock automatically. There aren’t any smart locks out there are the moment that can engage all the multi points on a door without you lifting the handle
@@MarksTechVlogs thanks Mark. You’re right about the smart lock, perhaps I have a work around as your can buy auto locking multipoint locks, like the WinkHaus AV2 or AV3… from there, I think the Nuki will just spin the deadlock and also unlock it later.. have you considered this? (I’m buying a totally new door so HW options are wide open)
@@jasongoughuk thanks, they sound pretty interesting, I’ll take a look at those. I also spotted that Ultion have launched a new multipoint called Bolt which will auto lock without lifting the handle too and has a module to connect straight to the Nuki however, it’s only being sold through locksmiths at the moment and can’t be purchased directly which seems a shame
@@MarksTechVlogsthe bolt sounds promising, thanks! Will read up now 🤓
I have a Winkhaus multipoint and the previous version of Ultion using Danalock. The Danalock operates the main lock and lifts the multipoint latches as well but the latches lock again when the door is pushed shut(think there’s some kind of magnet on the door that fires the latches when it comes into contact with the frame
If using Apple HomeKit with a HomeKit hub (e.g. a Apple TV), you said you don't need the Nuki hub. But if I'm away from the house and want to see the status of the lock, will that feature work without a Nuki hub? I didn't think the AppleTV connected directly to the lock via BT but happy to be proven wrong.
Hey, yes, with HomeKit you can use it out of home and see the status but only via the Apple Home app
Hi, I’m Looking for a smart lock for a disabled relative that lives alone. Mobility is an issue, and I was wondering if this lock would be suitable, can it be opened and locked via voice if Alexa compatible? k am thinking about the Nuki Plus model?
The plus model should work well and does work with Alexa, the only thing worth keeping in mind is that if the door requires a handle to be lifted before locking this will still need to be done manually
Can the button be disabled altogether? Just thinking about kids who like to press buttons, they know how to use keys so the twist isnt a problem, im just thinking they will see a shiny button and end up unlocking the door
I’ve just had a look at the settings and there is an option to disable the button
Hi Mark. Thanks for the this video, been looking for a solution for multi lock door. Can I also let the Nuki turn two extra rounds so the other parts of the multi lock slide in place, like I would normally do after midnight, go down stairs to close off. thanks
Hey, I’m fairly sure it could be configured to turn enough to put those in place however, I don’t think you’d be able to separate that from it on its normal locked status so I think it would just always be locked with those other parts in place…hope that makes sense
I think this is performed in night mode. The setting says "the door is locked twice (720°)"
@@robertpatrick1079 correct - my phone lives in dark mode!
Does this lock if the door is closed without having to pull the handle up?
No it doesn’t, you still need to lift the hand up
I Take it this would work best with a slam lock?
I’m afraid I’m not really sure what a slam lock is! The best place to check compatibility will be the Nuki website
hi thanks for a great video. can you confirm that you can get the app to open/unlatch the door with the ultion nuki, as well as unlock it?
Yes, there is a separate open option in the Nuki app which I use all the time. That feature doesn’t translate into Apple home app though as locks in the home app only support lock and unlock
@@MarksTechVlogs ok great thanks for the info. that will be very handy. I presume the nuki 3.0 bought on its own (not ultion version) is also capable of doing the same, but do you happen to know what kind of handle/hardware you need for that function to work?
You can use the Nuki on its own and it does come with adapters and stickers to work with existing handles. Whether it needs to use the open feature or not depends on the existing mechanism on your door. My front door currently has a mechanism that means even when unlocked you need a final turn of the key to get in from the outside whereas my back door doesn’t, if unlocked you just pull the handle down to enter.
The Nuki supports both of the behaviours above and is set up during calibration. You shouldn’t need to change anything about your door hardware if you use the Nuki…the only thing you may need to change is the cylinder part of the lock as the Nuki only works with cylinders that can be operated whilst a key is in the other side
@@MarksTechVlogs ok thanks very much for your help
Hi, thanks for the video and I’m Sorry to jump in on someone else’s comment but the answer I’m looking for doesn’t seem to be covered anywhere and this is getting close, I need to know if this will work with my multipoint lock that when locked, from the outside, I have to unlock with the key, pull the door handle down and then unlock a further step with the key again, then push the door open ? thanks in advance and again sorry for jumping on @hoojamaflicks comment..
Is there a smart lock that automatically locked when the door closes ?
The closest is the Simpled however even with that you still should live the handle for security.
Ultion do have the bolt which is an auto engaging multi point but it’s only sold with new doors at the moment
Can you comment on proximity sensing for auto unlocking? Somebody who fits smart locks told me Apple HomeKit has a 100 meter radius for auto unlocking doors, which sounds ridiculous. Is the Nuki proximity detection that wide? Or does it have ability to sense a much smaller radius?
The auto unlocking via the Nuki app works in two ways…the geofence ring is 100m although you can make this wider…the actual Auto Unlock only kicks in when you’re within 10m and connect to the Nuki’s Bluetooth. The Apple autounlock via HomeKit isn’t seemless as lock automations require you to action them on your phone via a prompt for security
@@MarksTechVlogs ahhh very nice. so the guy was right about the 100m radius, but he was wrong to say the door would unlock once you're within it.. he said even if you're just stopping at the pub on the way home it could unlock! nice to know it won't actually unlock unless you're on the garden path. is that control within the Nuki app, right?
Yeah that’s within the Nuki app and it doesn’t kick in until your connected with Bluetooth so no risk of going to the pub! 😀
what is the security? so you have a theaf wanting to still from you it will move close to you when you get to the door and your home is fully open automatically
If you have the auto unlock feature on then yes that is a possibility but if that’s something that bothers you then you can always just always manually trigger the unlock process via the app and not use geolocation
Does it support Apple homekey?
I'm afraid not. This is to do with Apple's requirements for HomeKey. Nuki actually mentioned this in a little more detail on this blog nuki.io/en/blog/nuki-news/we-present-the-nuki-keypad-2-0-open-your-door-with-fingerprint-now/
Hey mark is there a way to stop someone shouting through the letterbox to open the door? Ive been searching of a way to activate Face ID when i ask Siri to open it. Also When i arrive home it doesnt Auto Unlock even though i have it on the Nuki app and as a automation i dont have the hub just homekit :)
Hey, my phone won’t let me unlock the door via HomeKit unless my phone is unlocked. The geofencing mode in the Nuki app doesn’t require this so to require Face ID each time you’d need to use Apple home automations instead of the Nuki App
For the shouting, depending on your voice assistant they should require a passcode or device confirmation to operate the lock. If I try and use m my HomePod mini to open the door with Siri it tells me I need to continue on my phone
@@MarksTechVlogs thank you 🙏🏼
Just to be clear, we can't remote lock the door, if the handle has not been lifted?
If you door is like mine and a multipoint door then that’s correct
@@MarksTechVlogs Thanks, would a switch bot work in this case? What’s the difference
You mean the switchbot lock? I think you could probably get one to work however you would still need to lift the handle to lock.
I’m guessing you can’t use apple homekey
No, I don’t think any UK smart locks are homekey compatible yet
@@MarksTechVlogs yeah I just realise that. Thank you
Yeah, this is a ball ache. Trying to find a smart lock for UK door with HomeKey (not only HomeKit) is annoying.
I believe the Aqara is the only one with potential but it’s not available in the UK yet
Does it lock automatically if yiu lift the handle?
No it doesn’t
@@MarksTechVlogs that's interesting as Ultion from there chat online just said the opposite, once it's programmed to do so was there response
@@stormfusion I think they might be referring to having the Ultion Nuki AND the new Ultion Bolt www.ultion-lock.co.uk/ultion-bolt/
kind of a pointless if the lock cannot lock automatically the door from remote (you still need to lift the handle in order to be able to lock the door)
The only smart lock for multi point doors than can lock without the handle being lifted is the Simpled Smart lock however, even with that it’s recommended that you lift the handle to engage the multi points for security…its less of an issue due to the locks and just the way multi-point doors work. This is the simpled one www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09N97GZSW/ref=cm_sw_r_as_gl_api_gl_i_PS0PQSS42SR1FK02AQGY?linkCode=ml2&tag=markstechvlog-21
@@MarksTechVlogs Hi mark, this Simpled Smart lock looks like it works with multi-point locking systems and is cheaper so what made you choose the Ultion Nuki over it?
@@SteveConsalvi Personally, it's because the Ultion Nuki has the 3* cylinder and so is physically secure as well as digitally whereas the Simpled doesn't have any credentials for the physical side of things
@@MarksTechVlogs got it, thank you!
@@SteveConsalvi If you are looking at an Ultion Nuki then they've got just over £100 off the pack with the bridge for Black Friday amzn.to/40L0CgS
Is this available in North America?
I think the Nuki is but not the Ultion Nuki
Does it support automatic locking when you lift the handle? I.e. just lift the handle and walk away, after closing the door and leaving?
It doesn’t, there is a ‘lock and go’ feature when you can double tap the interior button which will start the locking process after 20 seconds (you can adjust this). You could also setup a geolocation based action in HomeKit
@@MarksTechVlogsreally? Thinking of this for an Airbnb, so might not work. Seems odd leaving the house unlocked, and hoping that the geolocation locks it as they drive off.. presumably an internet outage would then leave the house unlocked. I'd also think that without something positively clicking as you lift the handle would mean people just might not bother.. house left unlocked again..
@@jamiemoore4329 Yeah, I'm guessing it doesn't have an auto lock feature because you'd potentially want it to be 'once the last person has left' not everyone.
There is however, an 'Auto Lock' feature which locks the door when it has been unlocked for a certain period of time and schedules.
I'm not sure how suitable this would be for an AirBnB though
@MarksTechVlogs so,if you press twice exit, close the door and DONT lift the handle...the door won't lock, right?
Will doing this damage the lock in any way, as won't it be trying to lock it but can't?
That’s right…it won’t lock but will try and then probably say it’s jammed…it won’t damage it though