The Curious Case of Final Fantasy IX Remake
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2024
- Following on from my speculation about a Final Fantasy VIII-2 and an FF8 Remake which i'll link to below, the remake potential of 'golden era' Final Fantasy titles seems most inclined now towards of Final Fantasy IX Remake. With successive leaks from both Nvidia and now Epic Games which has DLC packs titled Tetra Master Starter Pack, Thief's Knives and Cuisine Set which hints heavily to the FF9 Card Game and Zidane Tribal and Quina Quen respectively, we could see an imminent FF9 Remake announcement. Here we discuss precisely what that might look like and how and why Square Enix might approach the game as more 'polymorphic content'.
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In this episode we discuss:
- FF9 Nvidia leak
- FF9 Epic Games Leak
- FF9 Remake potential
- FF9 DLC / FF9 leaks
- The FF9 Anime or TV show that has been rumoured
- What a Final Fantasy IX Remake might look like.
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If FF9 really get's a remake...I'm really curious about how the characters will look like. Because that drawing style was already pretty unique
Yeah, Itahana's character designs for this game are among my favourites across the series. He balanced whimsy high fantasy and a nod back to the SNES era with something distinctly new. I would hope they stay faithful-ish to that look rather than go anime/dissidia style.
They can't tell stories any more as evidenced by Rebirth narrative choices ... I'll watch RUclips videos about it but I have no faith in them now and have no reason to.
I agree. I hope they look exactly like their appearances in the FMVs in the original game. That would be indeed a faithful remake when it comes to art style. FF7 Remake managed to retain their appearances in Advent Children and made it even better. It’s said that FF9 Remake will have level of graphics similar to Crisis Core Reunion.
They will look like American heroes, just like all modern FF game characters look like now.
Will any ever be released on the Xbox ??
Remake the game. Just leave out the fate ghosts if at all possible. Might be asking too much
I swear, if I see another timeline bullshit 😂😂
Haha yeah. Like I do want death to have consequences.
I honestly don't trust SE to remake IX after seeing Rebirth, at least not with the same approach of making narrative changes and going the high-fidelity 3D graphics route. It's not what IX needs imo. I'd argue it doesn't even need anything but a coat of paint in terms of improving the hand-drawn backgrounds, the 3D models, and adding voice acting. Fans seem to agree on this because there's a few fan projects doing exactly those things.
SE may not agree, so if I had a say I'd prefer if they just made a new FF that breaks with the recent streak of angsty protagonists (Noctis, Clive and now Cloud who has been brought back from the past). That's exactly what FF IX did back in the day, so it may be time for a brand-new spiritual successor, one that could stand on its own without having to be compared with its glorious original, rather than another cash-grabbing remake that is likely to miss the mark.
I doubt we are going to see a Final Fantasy remake with the same scope as the VII Remake project. I'd rather want FFIX being more like the Persona 3 Reload, the recently announced Dragon Quest Erdrick Trilogy HD-2D remakes or the Super Mario RPG remake from last year.
No one cares. FF7 Rebirth was a great game.
@@goodmanwiseman303 Imo it's just a good game heavily carried by its original, its franchise and its presentation. You strip those and it's just an OK action RPG.
Also you cared :P
@@goodmanwiseman303 In another dimension, where up is down, and left is right, maybe.
@@fritzdrybeam it was good but most players are still stuck on the old formula and nostalgia.
If you follow the same path as before it will still be uninteresting because you have played the same game as before.
The uncomfortable truth is that if the company truly respected both fans and the game, there would have been an effort to fix the many issues plaguing modern ports of FFIX. To ignore them or hand-wave away the issues as "why would they waste money on an old product?" goes against the themes of the game as an experience. I'm not angry at the people who will preorder whatever this is along with the DLC items, I feel a great sorrow that this is accepted and encouraged while critical thinking is systematically bullied out of the fanbase.
Sorry to be so negative with a wall of text, the original was very important to me emotionally and started my journey with the pre-PS1 titles so I can't help but feel this way.
Lol what. The ports are great
@@oliverhopkins8074 How? Please explain why you find them great.
@@greenhowie because I can play the game lol
@@oliverhopkins8074 Fair point, if it's the only option you don't have much choice. No worries.
@@oliverhopkins8074 The IX ports FUNCTION and that's about all the good that can be said about them. The backgrounds were upscaled with very little care for how they actually look and appear blurry. Animated textures don't work (e.g. eyes in Necron's arena). The models themselves are hardly improved. The game isn't a true remaster in the sense that your computer isn't even running the game itself - it's running a Unity emulator that's running the original PSX release. You can do the same thing by just playing the original on a PSX emulator with upscaling enabled. The latter honestly looks better. This lack of care is typical of SE in the last decade or more. The Zodiac Age remaster doesn't even contain upgraded assets, the game upscales textures live the exact same way an emulator can do. There was never any acknowledgement of issues and bugs in those, they just don't care beyond selling the same game again.
This is a rare instance where I would be interested in a reimagining of the original. I always wondered what the FFIX of Yoshitaka Amano's concept art might have been like. Alas I think they would definitely lean into the cutesy aesthetic.
I loved Amanos artwork for FF9 and I actually have a tattoo of Marcus from a painting of Tantalus that Amano did. I'm not sure how they'd render a realistic Amano style though, it'd probably be closer to FF7R than the OG FF9 look
Amano wasn’t the main character designer of FF9. There were actually many character designers. Some made small contributions and quitted during development. If you’re interested in an FF game with art direction mainly by Amano, I recommend FF6. 5 is also a good one. For me they’re the two FF games where Amano’s style shines the most. I really want an FF6 Remake because I want Amano’s style to be brought to life.
I adore FFIX and would love to see something in the future where they flesh out the characters and their individual journeys more. No crazy new curveballs added --- just an enrichment of what's already there. And if it was more marketed to kids, I can't see that being an inherently bad thing. I think sometimes people unjustly equate "children's" media to lesser quality media, and I've not found that to be the case. Writers of GOOD children's or family media know how to package mature themes and widely relatable ideas in ways that make them easily digestible for people of all ages.
Absolutely! One need only look at Studio Ghibli, Moomins, even Paddington to see children and adults can be written for equally well when done right, I think FF9 is perfect media for a broad demographic if its handled correctly
Not sure about lighthearted but my 8 yr old brain got traumatized by Odin destroying Cleyra, and the scary Invincible Eye 🥶🥶🥶
The eye was bad, but for me Atomos and that giant mouth was worse. Seriously had nightmares about hurtling into oblivion thanks to that.
I think the Romancing Saga remake is going to give us a good idea of what the Square remakes are going to look. I have no expectations of it happening but I think FF8 would benefit from the FF7R treatment. I’m totally down for all of the turn based games but I also hope that the current situation doesn’t completely deter them from making something like Rebirth again as well.
Unlike FFVII and FFVIII, FFIX is already perfect, there is nothing left to improve on here, or to fix, so I very much do not see the point in remaking it in the same way. FFVII needed a faithful remake because the old game had just aged to the point of essentially being lost. Unlike with it and 8, with 9 the argument that "you'll always have the original" is actually true and fair.
I HATE the changes they made in FFVII remake, I think it destroyed the legacy of an amazing story, but with FFIX go crazy I say.
It's still not quite the same game since the story differs but still keep the most of the elements of OG and it is still a continuation (another universe).
We all felt the same about VII but things are going well imo. Will always have the original guys, im excited
FFIX is my favorite FF mainline game (my fav is FFT). Hence, regardless of how many 10/10 it can get, how aesthetically pleasing it may be, I’m not playing/buying/supporting the game in every way or mean.
We need more remakes! We want to consume remakes!
9 is perfect as it is, a gem. A remake could at best top it, but most probably just be worse. FF8 on the other hand, is a great game but it has a great potential (and need) for improvements.
im not 100% agreeing with your take on 9, but im 9999% agreeing with your take on 8. specially as how we know that much of the biggest plans for 8 was scrapped due to time and budget reasons.
id even say that 8 deserves the whole story expansion thing they did with 7, more than 7.
i mean, og 7 was pretty much self contained. (im saying that as a compliment) what dirtied the water was the expansions they did outside of og7..
now i dont know about you guys but id rather have a story surrounding laguna than what they did with genesis...
one other square game that needs the remake treatment badly is xenogears...
I’d like to see 8 beefed up for modern hardware definitely. 4-6 could benefit from the HD2D style. The only change I want for 9 is the hint/mention of Neuron SOMEWHERE so it doesn’t come out of left field. It’s doesn’t need a drastic change, but a bit of foreshadowing goes a long way
I'm curious if the will make obtaining the Excalibur 2 more feasible.
Ff9 is one of their best games so it deserves a remake.
Can't it just stand in its own merits ?
@@seanp8220 nothing exists in a vacuum
Remaster at best
@@agamersinsanity I agree the random encounters took too long to load up all the time. Remaster is a good idea.
"Remake when is the lowest form of conversation"
I had to. Anyway I'm very scared for what they're gonna do because this game legitimately gave me a feeling of a social life when I moved from the north USA to a deeper south USA and the emotional connection is strong. REMAKE, okay. Add VA/ARPG elements but it needs to be almost a 1:1
On another note our society and entertainment is so so entwined with NOSTALGIA. This is because it sells easier, it's about money and it sucks. Hopefully if they do Remake it's faithful and they have every possible resource to make it the best thing of the 2020s in gaming.
(The quote was Sopranos ref lol random)
i wanted ff8 remake too bad i guess
I skipped 7 and 8 and went straightto9, so I would have liked to play 8 just like I'm playing 7
For that matter, put some clothes/armour on Beatrix!
thing with memoria project was it never was just a simple fan project. you have to apply for a position to get into the project. and those who passed the final lineup are veterans from really known studios.
im pretty convinced that either
A) squareenix used memoria project to weight where audiences stand on remaking 9.
B) they secretly funded memoria project at some point of its life time. not saying that they funded it from the start(but thats possible too) just saying that its at any point of its life time.
C) if the 9 remake is true(and at this point its pretty much is true) memoria project is what kicked the ball rolling.
Developers and Publisher Square Enix are making more Remake of Game this Game Final Fantasy IX 9 Remake for PS5 or other Nintendo Switch will be for Next Year 2025
My mixed feelings towards this is- I am team pro final fantasy vii remake/rebirth. As someone who loves the original it is a delight to see the characters more faithfully recreated than the compilation ever did with Cloud always being an emo edge lord and Aerith always being ethereally not tethered to this world- he is an edgelord but that’s because he is mentally a teenage boy and with that comes goofiness and sweetness- she is ethereal but also spunky snarky and flirty. And I’ve heard out some of the negative reviews and criticisms who denounce the changes or new information given because they think it doesn’t challenge the audience to imagine for themselves- I reject this because my argument is simply doing the exact same thing we’ve all known about for 20+ years won’t carry as much weight as rolling the dice to do something different. Plus I will wait until it’s completely done because I still might end up hating it but so far I’m all in to see where it goes.
So you’d think I’d be all in for IX remake too and I am.. kinda. I love that era of final fantasy, but I wouldn’t want it to be a trend of going back and overloading and overhauling classics. If it became a trend it would start to feel as hollow as the majority of Disney live action remakes of their cartoon classics.
But much like the Disney remakes I will be fair, I’ll take whatever comes on a case by case basis and form my opinion of each project. Though it is funny to me that 7 did this whole multiple worlds time travel type story and maybe 9 might do similar when the games most appropriate for that kind of plot line would actually be 8 and 10.
Always felt 8 and 10 lean more to those themes too because the stories are based heavily on key events of generations past, and contending a fated future (have an old episode discussing their sequel/prequel potential). I think FF7 did it because there needed to be justification in it featuring Sephiroth, and nodding the OG somewhat. I think FF9 would come without that baggage and may be a legit embellished 1:1.
Final Fantasy xiv has preorder bonus items that are literally from ff9 in the upcoming expansion. there's a city called solution 9, the new job is literally Zidane. there's a screenshot of some other city that matches the interior town of ALEXANDRIA from ff9 in the xiv launch trailer. The new expansion heavily leans into ff9. hopefully that's a good sign.
I just really hope that tetsuya nomorya isn't designing any character for this game. I want t he originally art style to be preserved
I don’t wanna hear ANYONE complaining about the ff7 remakes or ff16 they are both incredibly good, and also we all know in the 10 years from now everyone will be making videos on how they were the good ones and the games 10 years from now will be bad. It’s the same stupid cycle with this fan base and it’s gotta stop. Bookmark this comment and come back ten years I bet you anything everyone will be sucking off ff16 and the remakes.
How do you explain XIII? Everyone thought it was average upon release and fifteen years later everyone still thinks that. XV’s reputation isn’t really growing, either. The last time an FF game aged well was XII and that game is nearly 20 years old. Mediocre games like XVI don’t get praised down the road, good games that were ahead of their time or flopped from bad marketing or something like that are the ones people eventually come around to.
Um. XV was released eight years ago, sold massively, (Much better than Remake and Rebirth) and nobody thinks its a good game. The only reason its fandom hasn't completely died on its arse like XIII is due to people thirsting over the main characters.
XIII was released nearly fifteen years ago now, and still nobody thinks its a good game.
FF is a rollercoaster of good and bad games. But they are all playable. While many people praise FF7 and Rebirth I myself never liked these games. I tried and I just thought the story sucks. I never liked FF10 12 and 16 but I liked 8 9 13 and 15. 13 had a terrible story still.
But 9 really stands out! The best game I have ever played! The characters are like real people I knew to me. Remakes are not bad overall. They are just not the original. For that same emotion you need to go back in time.
I'd rather have a remaster like FFXII: The zodiac age, than a remake of FFIX.
I hope it’s just a remake of the original, meaning same or similar plot points with updated graphics and controls
They'll make it into 4 games, padded out with endless quests, and other trivia.
Foll me once, etc....
It eluded us in the events and directs. Where the funk is it!
Ff9 remake would be a quadrulogy longer than the ff7 remake trilogy if it was the same style of remake, since i remember ff9 being fairly longer and with 4 discs.
Ff9 and ff6 are both worthy of being remade if square enix opts to keep doing remakes
FF7 has really benefitted from being a trilogy, they should do FF9 as two parts.
The fans complaining about multipart games don't realise that we are getting these characters and these worlds richer and deeper across a period of a few years. If we had one game it can be forgotten quite easily. These games have a legacy that can last a decade, which is why I'm so happy with the way they handled the FF7 remakes.
@A203D yeah, i think ff9 can easily be as long as ff7 rebirth if square enix simply paces itself correctly with less filler
Im actually fine with an animated series being more aimed at children(sorta like the near perfect balance Avatar The Last Airbender found) under condition that the Remake itself is left relatively untouched in terms of alterations made for the sake of general audiences.
what if the Memoria Project is the actual remake
thing with memoria project was it never was just a simple fan project. you have to apply for a position to get into the project. and those who passed the final lineup are veterans from really known studios.
im pretty convinced that either
A) squareenix used memoria project to weight where audiences stand on remaking 9.
B) they secretly funded memoria project at some point of its life time. not saying that they funded it from the start(but thats possible too) just saying that its at any point of its life time.
C) if the 9 remake is true(and at this point its pretty much is true) memoria project is what kicked the ball rolling.
I'm terrified of a IX remake. I'd rather they not touch it and ruin it.
Gotta keep nomura away from the project.
Me too. It's perfect. It needs speeding up not redoing
i dont think he'll be involved. He never was in the og ff9.@923crono
No one said you have to play it just pretend it don’t exist
I'm okay with remakes all long as the original is readily available.
Ff7 dark vibes ? Not sure im following you here.. OG sure but remake is very very light heart..
I was referring to the primary angle with Sephiroth but I take your point
@@AlleywayJack ok make sense now.
We don't want a XI remake. We want a VI remake!
Which would sell more.. a FF9 remake or FF8 remake. I know FF9 is a bit of a darling to longtime fans but I really really think FF8 would outsell.
Fuck FF8. It’s the trash goblin of the franchise.
Facts no one who’s into 7 likes 9
@@thanksmaybe4103Not true man. Not true at all. Nine was just sort of the jumping off point for the original fans.
@SnowCoveredKK FF8 still sold twice as many as FF9. Now, you can say some of those sales are due to the success of FF7, but FF8 was still more than twice as profitable.
@@Sentinel_ICBMSome? SOME?! 😂😂😂 Try ALL. ALL of 8’s sales were from the success of 7. And the lower sales if 9 were from the distrust we had from how terrible 8 was.
I didn't like what they did in FF7 Remake. I don't believe that the current Square Enix has the ability to add good content to the original FF9 story and I doubt that Square Enix will make a 1:1 version of the Playstation 1 games. That being said, I would prefer that they not create any remakes of FF8 and FF9. If it's going to ruin the original story, it's better not to touch what's already loved by many.
In a world where you can walk naked round kids at pride then they censer shit change stuff no keep it as it is FFS the worlds mad
I hope they cancel it, I dont really need a remake of FF9. Having it with the Moguri mod is already perfect, if anything the only thing I miss is the two players option from the PS1 era to play with a loved one. All this new games with boring 3rd person cameras and action battles bore me to death, I hope they stop killing the memory of my favorite games =)
I would never buy anything Episodic that's why i haven't even touched the FF7 remake
Please, no. I don't want FF7 Remake's generic mid 2000's anime look for the FF9 remake. And the people currently working for SquareEnix aren't talented enough to accurately translate FF9's Studio Ghibli like style into a modern game. Just let it be. Unlike og FF7, FF9 still looks good, because it was a late PS1 game with very stylized character design.
Genuinely hope it never sees the light of day. FFIX is fine, I'm literally playing it right now, it doesn't need a remake. The Tetra cards still look weirdly and notably terrible compared to the triple triad cards, but everything else looks and flows fine. Some small dialogue localisation fumbles, but that's about it.
IX is weird because it's visually a kids' game, but has bigger and more adult themes than VIII and maybe even VII. (At the same time as having _a lot_ of comedy) So I disagree about 'It's fine if they lean into making it a kids game'. Genocide, slavery and existential angst are not kids themes. A remake would need to retain those or it would be another corporate whitewash. Which yeah, I do agree with the tone of this overall, is what's most likely to happen - just a dumbed-down cash grab.
Also speaking personally I don't need another influx of 'fans' who had never heard of Final Fantasy before the release telling me that if you don't worship everything the corporation has done, you're not a real fan.
i have never wanted a 9 remake. im so tired of remakes, if they do it i will play the original in protest
Square isn't Square Enix. SE cannot tell stories ... demonstrably
They get great ideas like ff13 and completely squander it.
They didnt remake 7; they made a new game that is hardly anything like 7 original. They follow the same plot and are rpg's, that's about where the similarities end.
We dont need a remake of games that already exist, we shouldnt be feeding the greedy piggies any more money for lazy slop.
We dont need ff9 remake, we didnt need halo remade, we didnt need metroid prime remade.
Those games all exist, and if people would stop bitching about terraflops and graphics and just took games for what they are, especially so the further back you go, then they would see the gems are there, and would go play them.
Ive got games from before 2016, so many that Ill never complete them all, and have to prioritize my favorites.
Why are you all buying xbox series bullshits and playstation 17's? When hardly anything changes besides what gets GUTTED out of the next overhyped overpriced shitpile?
Fucking 800 bucks for a new shit game playing machine.
My n64 still works. My snes still works. My ps1 still works. All older consoles still exist and should work if you have them and took care of them, too.
You are all getting fleeced, and it's a big reason that *I* dont get to play fancy new futuristic games, because YOU ALL BOUGHT THE HORSE ARMOR, and now publishers are content to put up half the actual game content while doubling the price!
Fuck anyone who buys new systems or games without doing any due dilligence in research and trying to shovel their money at the good games publishers and devs.
Sure; buy whatever you want. But if you care about games being good, if you really love the medium, then youd at least give half a shit about why games are so shitty these days.
ITS👏NOT👏GONNA👏HAPPEN👏
If they do remake FFIX they have a huge opportunity to make it open world and add some extra side quests and puzzles 🧩
as it was such a great game all it really needs is a upgrade to newer graphics for the most part! that and update to newer animation quality and putting the dialog from text windows to voice acting! but other then that no need to change any thing else!