HOW German fans want to transform football
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2020
- Germany enjoys a reputation as a football supporters' paradise thanks to standing terraces, reasonable ticket prices, and democratically-run clubs. But the Bundesliga has become predictable, the fans feel increasingly ignored, and clubs are under extreme financial pressure amid the coronavirus pandemic. Now, a nationwide fan initiative is demanding drastic reforms. Kick! off reporter Tom Gennoy spoke to supporters and industry insiders to find out how German fans hope to transform the modern game.
Report by Tom Gennoy
Camera: Joe Wright, Steffen Focke
Editing: Karsten "Katsche" Raetsch
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I go over to Germany and watch more games there than I do Premier League games. I see Germany as the pinnacle of fan experience, and its sad to hear that could soon change. Stay strong guys, you're a beacon to the rest of us. There's nothing better than going to a German game. Class fans, decent people, and great football.
Do you think there's a way to bring what you love about German football culture to the UK? Or is it simply too late?
bocas atmosphere is better
@@dwkickoff The only conversations about changing the English game is in regards to money, and making more of it. They recently tried to finally broadcast the 3pm games in the UK, for £15 per match on top of what we already pay. Another cash grab at a time when people are struggling. For the average fan, football is becoming a luxury not everyone can afford.
It's too late for us. Our clubs are businesses and profits talk louder than fans.
@@dwkickoff fans aren't organised or powerful enough in the uk to get what they have in germany unfortunately
@@dwkickoff as much as I would want the German culture to be implemented,sadly it's just too late for EPL
Imagine if Dortmund, Leverkusen and Schalke kept many of their stars they've sold.
Dont forget Wolfsburg!
Imagine if the Prem would not kill football with endless money...
And Stuttgart. All those Youngsters at Bayern have come from their youth programm
Haha it’s funny that you don’t even name Stuttgart. Like the whole national team of Germany are former players from them. For example Kimmich, Gnabry and Werner. Like you don’t know anything about German football
@@lennardweippert7380 who are you replying to?
As an American, this is why I primarily watch the Bundesliga. Our sports here, especially the NFL and NBA, are incredibly overproduced, anti competition, exploit taxpayers, anti fans, etc. The Bundesliga should not try to be like the Premier League, because its culturally trying to be like the NFL (they even tried to implement an enclosed system last week). EPL fans can't even stand or bring beer to their seats! I love the "realness" or "grassroots" feeling of the Bundesliga, its incredibly foreign to us in the U.S. 50+1 is a long term system, where as the EPL thinks short term. Do you really want Saudi Arabia to Buy Schalke? A Russian Oligarch running Hamburg? You need to consider what kind of person buys football clubs... they're not the best human beings. Think of all this clubs stripped of their culture or even their livelihood. Cardiff, Wimbledon, West Ham, etc are better examples than Manchester City. The german system preserves, while the UK and American systems destroy.
Don't let money run your culture, you will end up with a fascist bankrupt gameshow host as your leader.
I'm also an American and I agree with basically everything you've said here. The Premier League does nothing for me and I feel much more connection to and admiration for a league where I don't even understand what they're saying lol. The German model is just better.
Isn't MLS very competitive?
@@aishikpanja3931 MLS has a very convoluted rulebook. There no promotion and relegation and with things like designated player slots it will never be close to the level of other countries. I want my local MLS team to do well but the league is kind of a joke in my opinion.
You guys are stupid the epl is wayy better than the bundesliga it's the reason it's the best league in the world the goals controversy and drama make it impossible not to watch but I can agree that the pl is going to ruin itself but the bundesliga has a grassroot football vibe
the funny thing is the EPL has a t the center a formula which guarantees the competition remains closer, it is called "matchday uncertainty". I think Tifo football has a video on this. They distribute the money more evenly so that the smaller clubs can still compete at least for a certain match.
"Das gute darf nicht der Feind des besseren sein." Das nenn ich mal nen schlauen Satz
But even Bayern is one of the last Big Clubs wich got build up by itself and not by any investors
FCB AG: FC Bayern München eV 75 % adidas AG 8.33 % AUDI AG 8.33 % Allianz SE 8.33 %
A quarter of the club / more than half of what's possible to be sold, was sold to investors.
@@yaboyjay7202 Yes i know i am talking about Investors like Abramovic or Berlusconi
@@michaelscofield6560 what does the name of the investor matter, they still have investors
@@yaboyjay7202 I think what he wants to say that because the club himself owns the majority of the brand so they are in control of the supervisory board. Therefore the club's decisions totally rely on themselves so you can say their success is selfmade whereas clubs like Chelsea, PSG and Man City are basically run by their investors.
bribing and not paying taxes in the 60s helped though
The Problem are clubs like PSG and Man City
The Clubs arent the problem the problems are the Investors and the Football Organisation
It’s just ridiculous that man city can buy themselves out of the ban from the Champions League
@@kainey5462 How do you know that they bought themselves out of it?
Clubs like united, real are doing it since 90s
Maybe the problem is how they roll over and give Bayern their best players very cheaply or let them run down their contracts.
As a long time Bayern Munich fan I'm totally for an equal split of the tv money.
An equal split may sounds good, but where do you make the cut? If you give the 36 teams of the 1. and 2. Bundesliga the same, every team below will have it way harder to get into this leagues.
Also: When splitting the TV income equally the cl bonuses will give the top teams still a better position compared to the rest of the league, but less chances to win international games.
When no german club has any chance to play for a european trophy, the best german players will leave the Bundesliga for international clubs and the TV money will decrease more and more.
Congratulation...now you get less money to build up fan friendly infrastructure and the games are on a poor level and the best players that stayed in the league will still try to join the one club with the highest chances of winning the league - so they can play a few matches in the CL and try to find a better club outside of germany.
Money is not the main reason why most of the best german players wants to join Bayern Munich. It`s the high chance to win trophies and achieve reputation - the money is a nice bonus. Every member of the Bayern squad can get much more from other clubs in europe. ;)
If you ban Bayern from the Bundesliga, Dortmund would just take their place and every young german players wants to join them. Problem solved? I think not.
@@Bornevalesh Its as easy as giving clubs certain criteria to fulfill in order to be able to use these TV money funds. For example, only 15% of the TV fund is to be used to fund the team, a majority has to go into "debt" or improving the clubs infrastructure and so on and so on...
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As an American, and huge fan of the Bundesliga. I hope for change and continued success. From what I’ve heard from those that have been lucky enough to attend a match. The fan experience is awesome.
The reality: Bayern Munich are the only "destination" club for star players in the Bundesliga.
All other German clubs are star '"feeders" to the elite clubs in England, Spain, Italy and now PSG. It is hard for an 'international-neutral' fan to learn to love a club that keeps selling their new star players.
The only real solution: German clubs MUST be able to retain their 'home-grown' star players and become destination clubs, themselves.
How to do this without destroying the soul of a club by corporate domination, though?
Could television money be awarded to clubs that RAISE, CULTIVATE and RETAIN talented players that sustain interest in the league, rather than by table position?
As far as I am aware something similar is already in place. While TV money is distributed primarily by average league position over the last couple of seasons, there are further endorsement-payments taken out of the same pots to be given to clubs that (1) utilize a high number of nationally home-grown players (2) utilize a high number of club-based home-grown players (3) promote a high number of youth players to the senior squad and (4) have produced a high number of players that play in the league.
But then again, I can't find anything on it myself right now... Might just be something entirely wrong someone told me once
PSG fan here and although we actually primarily get our talent from Serie A and La Liga while we almost never go after any players from the Bundesliga (or even our own league), I completely agree with you. Clubs like Bayer Leverkusen, Frankfurt, Borussia Monchengladbach, and Werder Bremen needs to stop letting go of their players especially to their own rivals. I remember Schalke from 2015 to 2017 and how good they used to be when they used to compete for European places in the league and also made a deep run in the 2016-17 Europa League with the likes of Max Meyer, Leon Goretzka, Sead Kolasinac, and Klaas-Jan Huntelaar. In only a span of two years from 2017 they’ve lost all those players and have become somewhat in between a mid table club and a relegation fighting club. It was when they lost 7-0 to Manchester City when I finally realized that they weren’t the same club that they used to be just four to five years ago.
But do not forget Borussia Mönchengladbach. It is also a relatively small club in contrast to Bayern & Dortmund. But it is the 1st club in the Bundesliga in terms of development and upcoming talents. As examples; Ter Stegen, Xhaka
@@Mr92Yannick Thorgan Hazard, Marco Reus, Mickael Cuisance, Florian Neuhaus
Cool video. I would love to see the Bundesliga stop comparing itself to other leagues and worry about its own health. If Bayern were as dominant in the world as they are in Germany, you might support the system for producing great football, but a more competitive league should produce more teams who can compete in Germany AND Europe
I watch the Bundesliga because it's not other leagues
In case you didn't tchek bayern are the best club in the world you ignorant
@Troy Krentz Why would there be more world-class teams. Bayern is special. If the Bundesliga didn't have Bayern, it would be more competitive than the EPL. Same goes for La Liga, with Real Madrid.
@@johnjungkook2721 wait what
Real won only 3 championsships in the last 12 years
How is that comparable to the dominance of Bayern?
We think the same about french football too ... especially with our TV rights problems lol 😅
Are there similar movements for reform in French football?
@@dwkickoff not at the moment. but hopefully soon
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German people from india? 🤠
Great vid great music too. Love a bit of Swifta Beata😎
I think that as long as there is copius amounts of money to be won clubs will gamble more and more money to try to get to the top.
I don't think a topic as complex as this one could have been summed up better than it was in this video - and that's really hard to achieve. Your documentaries are really impressive.
Why they do Timo like that 😂😂😂😂
The true victim here is Timo's mother
Wich minute ?didnt saw something about him
@@dimzyy3511 12:18
@@dimzyy3511 12:20
the reason was a dive vs Schalke 04 some years ago. Ultras are stupid sometimes.
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the pun on Leipzig was awesome :D
Put the names of the instrumentals/background music. I know one is by Headie One. Great content by the way
Very interesting and insightful
Niall Quinn was on Irish TV recently after Dundalk played Arsenal in the Europa League saying how he hoped there would be people looking to invest into Irish football so that clubs can be in European competition regularly.
The issue is that what he is thinking about would mean it would be a case of the same two teams (Dundalk and Shamrock Rovers) qualifiying while all other clubs would become feeders to them and there would be no competition left. Of course Irish football fans want our clubs to be on the European stage, but I dont want it at the expense of a possibly competitive and entertaining league.
I love the Bundesliga.. my favorite league. I don't pay attention to Bayern much tho. I support Schalke and Werder Bremen. From the USA tho
You got the wrong fuckin profile pic then lad
@@inthearea-dn1tx never said I didn't like other leagues lol bundesliga is just my favorite. Reading comprehension my friend
@@inthearea-dn1tx nothing wrong with Greenock Morton logo
@@TheAeasy19 clearly says u support two german teams while having my club as your profile pic think I can read just fine
@@inthearea-dn1tx you can only support one team? Don't limit yourself son, life ain't that serious
Honestly a salary cap would be the best thing for football this way every team has the capacity to have a good squad and more thought has to go into building a squad instead of just buying everyone like Bayern do. The NBA do it successfully
How does it work, what if you have reached the maximum but some exceptional players deserve a raise 🤔
@@chidumebiarukwe6436 so say a player signs a 5 year contract for X amount of $, 4 years of that contract can't be negotiated meaning that's what they get even if you sell them or another team buys them that's the money they get.
On the last year of their contract before their last contract season you re-negotiate and offer them what you think they deserve. If the player accepts then cool but if they don't then you can put them on the transfer market.
This will allow other teams to offer transfer fees like normal and then if a club accepts the player then talks about contract and negotiates because it's their last contract season.
If the player doesn't agree a contract and you don't put him for transfer then at the end of the season he becomes a free agent.
Also special cap space is allowed for academy players so this way more clubs will be looking to grow potential stars from their academy system
@@SamSam-rz1ko that sounds brilliant, obviously there will have to be a proper system in place
@@jamesrichards8172 yeah and FIFA will have to implement it but honestly it's the only way to get football back to being exciting and competitive
@@SamSam-rz1ko true it's shit watching Bayern, PSG, Juve, Barca or Real, Porto or Benfica, Ajax or PSV, Celtic, Galatasaray or Fenerbache, Olympiakos or Panathinikos win every year, need more competition
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Equal TV money and close the gap with prize money, do it slowly overtime with a time frame to hit targets to not put too much pressure on over leverged teams.
The bigger teams will still make more money from sponsership and merchandise but this will close the competition up big time on the low end.
A closer competition will interest more people and in turn get more people to watch, which will increase the league as a whole.
The Rasenball dig though 🤣🤣🤣
I believe The Premier League has a pretty good revenue sharing system and they use that to their advantage by selling the league abroad as the one where "anyone can beat anyone".
There are definitely a lot of things in the Premier League that I wouldn't want to see replicated in The Bundesliga (Manchester City makes RB Liepzig look like a model of fair play) but revenue sharing is one thing that could be learned from the PL. Even if it may hurt bigger clubs initially, in the end having a healthy competition would boost everyone.
Consider that Bayern just won the Champions League. You would think that that would have had a very positive effect on The Bundesliga because it could now advertise itself as the League with the best team in the world; instead that only seems to have hurt interest in the Bundesliga because it just reinforced the notion that no other Bundesliga team can compete with them.
The problem I see is the lack of foreign TV deals money in the BuLi. The way to get better deals it to get more eyes globally and that comes through success in Europe. Cutting money from the big boys makes them weaker, as is teams like Leverkusen, Gladbach, Schalke can't hold on to their best players. If they were to be able to then BuLi becomes the best league in the world in every aspect. More money comes in and its then you go for a fairer distribution.
The first step has to be get Bayern, Dortmund, Leverkusen, Leipzig, Gladbach, Hoffenheim, Schalke as strong as possible. Get the massive TV deals. Then whole sale changes should be made to the system.
Changes to the system just to bring the big boys down financially hurts the league more than it does it good.
Or. Perhaps, Super league is the best possible outcome for all. The Bayerns Dortmunds, Leipzigs leave the BuLi and then every club left can make the changes they want.
I was thinking the same thing. Im from South Africa and there are no TV services where I can watch Bundesliga
@@smenzelwendlela4369 Feel for you man. BuLi really f'ed it for this season. India got a deal just a few hours before the season kicked off. And I believe most of Africa and Middle East still doesn't have a broadcaster or streaming service?
@@pranjalchaudhary9124 not that I know of. All the leagues are available execpt Bundesliga and Ligue 1 here
German and Italian football were great until 2000. But nobody is interested in watch a tournment that everybody knows the champion before it starts. There is no fun anymore. Everybody knows Bayern and Juventus will be the champions. Champions without merit, because there is no true adversaries. The only great league that survived in Europe is Premier League. All others are not fun.
@@Lexrezende You were spot on until you said pl is a real league. That aint it either. Its a false image. Only way to win the pl is to be the richest in town or have a sugar Daddy, but it's English and marketed crazy. There's no real completion there. The big boys rule the football World. The fans are the worst fucked in England. I don't want that shit in buli. When despite the financial gap buli does well. Like last season it was the best league competition and quality wise.
Only thing is expect Bayern and to an extent Dortmund none can hold on to their stars.
If you hate Bayern winning. Get used to it buddy they don't look like stopping in buli or Europe. Bayern would win any league they play in.
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Bayern Munich themselves won the DFL cup in their first year in the Bundesliga after being promoted, that's the kind of situation we need
Name of the intro song please 🙏 😭
11:50 "No general penalty, pecuniary or otherwise, shall be inflicted upon the population on account of the acts of individuals for which they cannot be regarded as jointly and severally responsible." Did the Bundesliga commit a war crime?
I don’t think they are technically a government but maybe
It‘s not Bundesliga, but the Dortmund‘s fans
@@harukanakamoto7755 what did the Dortmund fans do?
@@truechaosmulala3831 Basically they protest against Hoffenheim investor Dietmar Hopp and DFB since 2008 and the peak is at 2017 when Dortmund fans visited Hoffenheim and they bring banner 'Hopp son of a b**ch' and the DFB backing up Hopp so they banned Dortmund fans for never visited Hoffenheim ground in 2 seasons, then fans of the other Bundesliga team backing up Dortmund fans and stand in solidarity and protest agains Hopp and DFB.
They think it‘s unfair because one time they called Timo 'son of a ****h' and they did nothing when it come to one of the investor of the club they punished them
@@harukanakamoto7755 well, you said yourself that the Bundesliga punished BVB fans as a collective for exercising a right to protest. Just because a billionaires feewings got huwt, doesn’t give the Bundesliga the right to punish a people group.
If I'm being fair, seems like now is the right time to start making a change, rather than this change arriving a long time ago. I get the Bundesliga doesn't want to be EPL. But if they could reach those levels and then still have the personnel to balance it out. You get the best of both worlds. Your league is now extremely rich and spectated by tons of outside crowds, and you still keep the culture intact
0:08 i know that guy hes a amigo that guy is crazy he supported turkgucu munih with drums 😂
We know him too! He was in the documentary we recently made about Türkgücü and immigrant clubs: ruclips.net/video/Kn4ckc8MuNU/видео.html
@@dwkickoff yeah that dude is crazy we supported them
In regional german league
I'd be interested to know how German clubs fare internationally when compared with English ones. With Premier League a MUCH more competitive league than Bundesliga, does their product "travel" better than Germany's? After all, Liverpool, Man City, and Chelsea have ALL been league champions in very recent years, while Man U has it's pedigree, Spurs are known to field extremely competitive sides (Champions League finalists two years ago), and Arsenal have their history (even if somewhat distant now). After Bayern and Dortmund, I wonder how well German clubs sell outside their borders and whether a MORE rather than a LESS competitive league isn't the REAL answer. On another note, why aren't Dortmund better-heeled, given the size of their fan base? They seem a seller's club like all the other, non-Bayern teams there.
Why can't at least the top 5 of the Bundesliga structure like Bayern, getting big companies to buy shares but not enough to dictate the direction of the club but give them the financial power to purchase or keep their great players...
That's what I don't get either. Bayern only sold like 20% of the possible 49% shares. Big invenstors could enter. But they often don't want to make profit but have their own play toy. Could you see, for example, Dubai buying into Schalke but not making Schalke their little "Dubai-Baby" like Qatar with PSG oder Abu Dhabi with ManCity??
@@yannick245 why not Mercedes benz buys share onto Vfb Stuggart or DHL buys into Schalke, German Companies or German billionaires(they are many of them).???
@@jentulj9611 Well, VW is doing it in Wolfsburg and Bayer in Leverkusen. They even own 100% with a special permit. But they don't go insane with transfers.
@@yannick245 that6the point, typical german traits, they dont spend heavily on their clubs...
@@jentulj9611 What do you have in mind? Wolfsburg buying Neymar next year for 600 million...
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Bundesliga has many teams with quality players to outperform Dortmund. They just need better coaches, Bayern vs Hoffenheim is an example of what good coaches can do with smaller clubs. Our Football is being delusional and needs to identify the real problems which are not always related to money, especially in the Bundesliga. Schalke has been getting tons of kit sponsorship money for years, yet they are the worst on the pitch while Union Berlin has impressed in their debut season and rekindled the Berlin derby. It all comes down to coaching and club management.
Hamburg is an example... less money, more impact from the transfers thanks to boldt/mutzel and some others.
@@maxnomistakes7885 Hamburg is currently conceding much less with Ulreich between the sticks. They'll surely get promoted this time.
@@aniket33591 yes hopefully they will!
of course examples like schalke, hsv or other big clubs ruining theirselves aren't the system's faults. but when you think about how a 10-20 million € transfer flop affects bayern vs how it affects dortmund or schalke, you shouldn't wonder why they win the league every year. not even talking about the ucl money which makes it nearly impossible for small clubs to get near top 4. from other leagues' perspective our fight might seem like a joke but constructs like red bull, bayern winning the league 8 times in a row and covid-19 uncovering the clubs' financial issues, many german football fans want to stop the increasement of modern football.
coming from a bayern fan
@@user-vj9sd6dw6k LOL this dortmund and schalke teams were making much better advancements in UCL about 5 years ago(Check UEFA coefficients). Even wolfsburg almost beat RM in QF if not for CR7's hattrick in 2nd leg. Fast forward today and what happened? Dortmund has a more talented squad and yet can't get past the preliminary stages while there are examples of better managed clubs like Monchengladbach who have not only qualified in the UCL but also topping the table of what appears to everyone as the group of death. You talk about RB leipzig winning only becoz of financial might but even they capitulated in the final year of Hasenhuttl but are now back and even making noises in UCL after appointing Nagelsman. There is also Union Berlin who are punching above their weight consistently since their return to Bundesliga. What big name players or coaches do they have? what gets them going is that they are being run more efficiently with whatever they have got. You talk about being a bayern fan then you must know that it is THE MOST well run club in the world, if BVB or Schalke were given the same resources(FUN FACT: this season BVB earns more from dual kit sponsorship than Bayern) they would still be as terrible as last season as Watzke lacks ambition and Favre is as primitive a coach as a caveman. You want equal distribution of prize money? then even if one of these bundesliga clubs somehow manage to win the league, they won't be rewarded for that. This argument of fair distribution of prize money is nothing but shooting yourselves in the foot by unser fussball.
Anyone have the link to the petition
unserfussball.jetzt
I wonder if France feels the same because PSG have won the last 7 Ligue 1 titles only missing out in 2016/17 when Monaco won it
good point Luka. The English league gets lots of flak but they went 9 years with a different winner each season
@@dwkickoff and Juventus as well, 9 Serie A titles in a row
I wish Ghana's premier league could get to the level of the bundesliga
Sorry m8, probably never gonna happen
There are some good ideas but I don't think that you can simply blame the system that "forces" you to invest money you don't have.
It's still the club's choice and you can be good without it. Take a look at Bayern and SC Freiburg, both clubs are only spending the amount of money they can actually afford and both of them are doing very well in comparison to what one could expect from them.
SC Freiburg had some great seasons but didn't say that they want to play international next season, they only wanted to stay in the league. After several years in the first league they are getting to a position where they can keep good players and invest in better players.
Maybe one should not always aim that high for fast success but focus on slow but steady improvements.
This doesn't mean that the whole system shouldn't be changed.
The suggestion in film seems to be "go local". And it's a bit inward-looking, no? Not sure how Bayern gonna take suggestion to change priorities and stop competing with EPL. It's understandable that Bayern as big club with great history of success want to compete with the best (and that best are now strapped with Saudi oil money). What does suggestion of changing priorities mean? Bayern even at this moment don't spend a lot of money in comparison to EPL and La Liga clubs. They even stopped raiding BL rivals (last time it was 2013 with Goetze and Lewandovski). Their bench is very cheap indeed.
Bayern were always dominant in BL since their rise in 1970s. Many clubs challenged but then weren't able to sustain their presence for more than a decade. Bayern were able to establish themselves as big club in Europe before infamous Bosman rule that changed football forever (that is why we dont see Ajax anymore) and before big money started to influence game in bigger way (with Abramovic' takeover of Chelsea in 2000s). Dortmund, for example, weren't able to establish themselves as big club before drastic changes in 1990s so since then they are kinda in-between club.
I feel like that going "more social league" way can lead to weakening of german football, in general. Of course, it can make it more fan-friendly, may be more competitive (in a sense of different winners of BL 3 times a season) but at the expense of becoming inward-looking league, closed off from rest of the world. So the only end result here is that Bayern will just go away from Bundesliga and join Super League. Everything points in that direction, unfortunately.
Interesting you mention Bosman ruling there. Looking back, it seems incredible out of contract players still had to command a transfer fee doesn't it? Imagine if that happened with a bank clerk etc etc
@@dwkickoff Im just pointing to one of factors of global change in football. actually, it wasnt the case in France or Spain at that time (in regards to player out of contract having to command transfer fee).
no denying that Bosman rulling's aftermath (also one aspect was removal of quotas on foreign players) contributed to rich-poor gap between elite big clubs and smaller clubs. that was one of the first steps towards globalization of football (face of which is now EPL). Super League is imminent direction, I suppose. And it will leave domestic leagues alone and make them probably more exciting until new top 2 or top 3 arises.
At the end of the day the core problem here is not Abramovic or lack of quotas or Bayern or EPL or Saudis but economic system that is based on profit-making, capitalist economy itself. such transformations (like in football leagues) are happening everywhere in every facet of life.
TV rights money is much fair in Bundesliga than in any other leagues. The fact that Bayern gets 90mil more than the lowest is misleading. It's not true, especially in Germany 🇩🇪
Indian fans want it too❤️
Looks like it's time for Our Football to go global!
@@dwkickoff But I was talking about Indian football 😂
@@abhinavdhapola Haha of course! We meant the ideas from their campaign, not actually sending over Jan Henrik
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Give 3000pts for a win and 1000 points for a draw,then divide the number achieved by the club's wage bill,so ,if a club with a 250million Euro wage bill wins they get 12 points, if a team with a 50 million wage bill wins they get 60 points.
Perhaps an episode at how ridiculous football has become. Its like in every game there is a penalty being called. Whatever happened to punishing players for diving? It seems like if a player merely gets touched he falls and the referees and the VAR have the nerve to call for a penalty and I feel like I am going crazy because this is not the same game that I play. Do we fans really want this kind of football? Forget penalties, just these ridiculous fouls being called. In my opinion there needs to be an overview of what constitutes foul. If a player get the ball first (no studs) then it doesn't matter what happens to the attacker. Make the game a little bit more exciting for the defender, there is some art to that side of the game too. I think if a player severely damages another player he must compensate him financially so as to avoid dirty play but maintain the aggression in the game. Bring back the old football, they must try as much as possible to call fewer fouls.
Also players who are supposedly shielding the ball, they leave the ball 2 meters away and they poke out their butt's towards the attacker and fall. The refs actually call these as foul. Should the player have possession of the ball? I think his foot should be on the ball if he is really fouled in a static situation as this.
The only reason I watch the Premier League more (sporadically anyways) is that people around me would consider me weird if I watch the Bundesliga. My parents would prefer to talk about Leeds United more than Leipzig
why do you think that is? The Bundesliga is the home of the Champions League winners and another Champions League semi-finalist after all...
Its the same problem all over Europe, the big clubs just don't give a toss about the smaller clubs,and if nothing changes which I sadly don't think it will,then we are heading towards extinction for all but the biggest clubs,they will then go on and form a European super league which is what the big clubs really want to happen anyway
What do you see as a possible solution?
Ich weiß das hört keiner gerne aber Investoren geben nun mal einen Finanzschub der langfristig eine Mannschaft aus der Versunkenheit retten kann wie einst Chelsea oder Man City (beide Meisterschaftsittel gewonnen) oder direkt eine Mannschaft aus dem nichts aufbauen kann wie Hoffenheim oder Leipzig und kommt mir jetzt nicht mit dem München 1860 Vergleich. Als Bayern Fan ist mir ein spannender Bundesliga Titel wichtiger als irgendwelche Scheinheiligen Vorstandsreden von Vereinen dass das noch unser Club sei, schön und gut aber dann gibts keine Meisterschaft. Ende.
Was ist ein Revierderby dann noch Wert wenn der aktuelle Kader belächelt wird. Klar man hat sich auf Manager Ebene verkalkuliert aber es gibt auch genug Beweise in der Liga das Leute gut wirtschaften wenn sie die Mittel bekommen. Ich bins leid das die Spieler abwandern egal wie gut oder schlecht sie sind, vor ein paar Jahren wurde Holland als Ausbildungsliga von uns belächelt und mittlerweile sind wir ja nicht wirklich allzuweit davon entfernt.
There need to be more financial regulations across pro football. Clubs should not be allowed to carry so much debt and still be elidgible for domestic cups and european club tournments. Also, there should be no loopholes in the regulations that the wealthy clube can exploit. I would even go further and have more revenue sharing and a salary cap but I doubt that will ever happen.
UEFA has tried hard with FFP. But when clubs have better paid lawyers...
@@dwkickoff I agree they have tried but at some level, they are part of the problem. UEFA knows what the problem is but I don't really think they want to fix it. They, after all run the biggest prize in European club football, the champions league with huge payouts. This, in turn enables the big clubs to spend lavishly in the transfer market further maintaining the imbalance in the domestic leagues. Every now and then a club from a less prominant league will have a great year and do well in the champions league and wow everyone. Then their talent gets raided and the smaller clubs cant turn away money like that. It's as if the system is designed to sustain itself. I one or two of the 'big clubs' has financial difficulty and can't keep up then I do not think the other perinial contendors will really care let alone what happens to the smaller clubs.
English premier league payments system is best……50% shared equally 25% merit based (20th gets 1 merit share 19th two until league winners 20 shares) 25% tv appearances (% off TV games each team appears in comparison to each other ……with all 20 getting at least 2 home 2 away live games on sky/bt is best but only if you add/ mixed it with German ownership 50+1 rules
Der Bayern Liga hab ich schon länger den Rücken gekehrt.
Bayern and Dortmund shouldn't be punished for being super successful, especially since they bring exposure and money to the league. However, because they (especially Bayern) rely on buying talented domestic players from other German clubs a more comprehensive player formation fee should be adopted. Basically, up to the age of let's say 27, every German club which contributed to the player's professional development should receive a well-defined and substantial payment, commesurate with several factors such as the transfer fee, the amount of contract years played at the club, the number of total minutes played at the club in each competition - something to basically differentiate and reward the impact which every club had on the development of each kid. That way, when Bayern comes and scoops the next Lewa from Dortmund, they have to pay an additional fee besides the transfer fee - to Dortmund and to all the other clubs which formed the player. This will have 3 possible outcomes:
Bayern will either
a) invest more in its youth academy or
b) buy more foreign players or
c) be willing to spread more wealth if they want to focus on mature German players
d) buy younger German players
Options a) and b) results in the other German teams having a higher retention rate of domestic talent (which can go up with an increase of player export tax outside of the league). If Bayern chooses option c) the gap between the clubs which produce quality players and Bayern will decrease. If option d) is chosen then Bayern will need to take a risk on younger players. Instead of taking Lewa at 26 (when he was already a superstar certainty and having a massive contribution at Dortmund) they will need to bring him when he is 22 if they want to pay a smaller formation fee.
In the end Bayern needs to accept that if there are at least another 2 regular title contenders in the Bundesliga, the league itself will become stronger, there will be more money from television rights, sponsors and from UEFA prizes.
Very impressive detail there Mike. We see a job for you at the DFL! And the fact Bayern often buy German is a very important factor as you say
@@dwkickoff I feel flattered, but I don't know German and I live in the land of "soccer". Ironically, the only teams I watch are Bayern and Dortmund in the UCL match summaries. But that doesn't mean I cannot sympathize with the German football club members. I find it amazing that there is still a connection between the fans and the club (beyond that of paying a ticket) - you find that at some clubs here and there but nowhere at an entire league level. Btw, if I were the author of this video I would do a follow up video gauging the reaction of the German stakeholders regarding the proposed "European Super League" concept which would pool the very rich clubs into a single league and ditch UCL. Very curious about the opinion of Bayern and Dortmund fans...
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I liked the video. I am a diehard Arsenal fan so the Premier League is my favorite but the Bundesliga is a close second and I support Werder Bremen. We just need to topple Bayern then the League would be so much better. That is why England is the best because all the teams are good.
England went 9 years with a different champion each season. Good luck but we doubt Werder can rival Bayern this season...;)
It's because all Teams have too much money
I,m a fan of German football since childhood. Now the situation is complicated. In this capitalist world with no direct support from Government, there is competition to earn money to survive in the league, no one can deny the necessity of money. I also support 50+1 rules but that also deters large investors.
Well I don't think Bayern Munich will be stopping anytime soon because they recently won a treble, and let's not forget that opening matchday 1 of the 2020/21 season. Bayern Munich 8-0 Schalke 04
Hope one day football will grow in india also
Thats not happening in decades tho...cricket is so much more popular
I hope Man City don't get this kind of dominance, the prem has always been so exciting because of the lack of a Bayern or PSG.
PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ON INDIAN SUPER LEAGUE
INDIAN SUPER LEAGUE IS GROWING VERY FAST
PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO
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No Bro
Untill we kick FSDL out
Nothing is going to change
We over taking Bundesliga in upcoming years
@@Gadi_wadi lol bullshit
@@jatinsinghyadav5941 check the stats first
We are just behind epl and La Liga
@@kartyk7415 in terms of what?
" i fuckin told u " karl marx
German football need ONE more super team. that would be either Dortmund or Hamburg
Bayern won everything last season, but Indian broadcasters left Bundesliga. Unbelievable treatment. Thank you FanCode for saving it
isn't cricket popular in india & football rather not?
7:37 That didn't age well hehehehe
Schalke is down
It's a difficult problem to solve. In every sport in the world, the entity that attracts the biggest audience gets the most amount of money. Look at Man United, painful to watch but turns overs some of the highest revenue each year. So it's fair that Bayern/BVB get the proportional share of TV money. Bundesliga needs to market itself more, much more. People don't know much about it. EPL's success comes partly from all those pandits chatting shit in English for hours and hours. RM and Barca also have a wide reach due to a large number of Spanish speakers in the world and their English outreach. German fans might hate me for saying this, but please market yourself in the world through English media. Player interviews, documentaries, and movies get some old players to sit and chat shit in English, build a dramatic media infra around the club.
@array s Build up all these rivalries were amplified by media attention as well. I am an asian too and everyone in my country supports united because the TV deals were signed around 2000 and the success of man utd was shoved down everyone's throat. There are great rivalries in most league with great history as well. All you need is a bunch of people talking about it to give it a legendary status. Otherwise, to most of the audience, its just a bunch of men kicking a ball around using unintelligible tactics. Plastics fans are important for a clubs popularity too. They not only buy merch to overcompensate for their lack of knowledge about the club, but also provide very free and loud marketing. Practical shit.
There already doing this e.g I think they have their Instagram account in English
@@sonitabh if you didnt knownin epl the tv money overseas are shared equally, the big clubs of epl got their money from sponsorship
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The bottomline is Germany will never support or find anything appealing where you throw so much money on it despite its success. These footballers career are very short, some of them are unlucky, get permanently injured and their career end woefully. They deserve to be richly paid...
It's not like players are poor in Germany. But if they want to get as rich as possible even if they are average players then they have to play at the Premier League. Unfortunately it's also the league where all clubs are expensive toys for investors and the people who visit the stadium mostly are tourists or rich people. But the real fans are nothing but obstacles who don't like the rules and the power of the owner and they also can't effort tickets anymore so they have to watch their games in pubs. Oh and please don't drink alcohol at the stands and better sit down ;) What a wonderful league...
Im a Bayern Fan and the Bundesliga is boring after all those years with Bayern as the winner.
They should take the English repartition system. Equal 50 % to everyone, 25 for league raking and 25 for tv ratings
Sankt Pauli is one of the best clubs in German history when they left the 1st bundesliga its been all downhill from there, I am from Nurnberg and at this point I hope they stay in the 2nd league there is hardly any chance for them to rise up in the 1st liga
2:00 something America has failed to do
If only Americans tried this hard to reform our countries poor policies
"b-b-b-but that would be communism"
@@beckett2607 funny, but not all Republicans thunk that way
@@mattd2026 True, there are a few, but government intervention isn’t a republican ideal. And the modern gop is one of the most spineless political organizations in the western world
K town is in the Dritte Liga. So long as feel like the FCK is my club then I don't care. It is the beating heart of the pfalz. This is where Americans and Deutschen can be one. If a billionaire came and changed that then we would all lose what we love.
I hope DW will make a video focusing on the cultural diversity Bundesliga offers and the huge break youths get from all over the world.
We want jerseys for 20€ !!! Nit 100€ it is not winter jacket for fucks sake!!
The unfortunate truth is German clubs are held back because they’re German. When English is the world's, language it's much easier for someone from South Korea to support an English club than an Italian club, German club or Dutch club. That’s why you’ll see clubs like Stoke City with a larger online following than Shalke 04, despite Schalke being the “bigger” club.
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"The good mustn't not be the enemy of the better" damn that is a good line.
It’s like these guys don’t want German teams to compete in Europe
Like right now only Bayern and arguably Dortmund are really competitive in the CL, if more money gets taken from those clubs there will be no teams competing in the CL
All disapprobation aside, Bayern are a team that successfully used the 50 + 1 rule to mould the club into the dominant title winning face of the Bundesliga , that poaches the odd "best player"... Without the help of a sovereign wealth fund or billionaire owners...this club has become a blueprint for success... Hard graft aside... It's just a bit disheartening that Bayern and a competitive Bundesliga, have become a mutually exclusive entity...
Lovley Idea's, but far from whats about to happen.
If you scale it all on the Bundesliga, Bayern Munich will not be competetive in the Cl. So they will loose more and more money. Borussia Dortmund as well. The Bundesliga will not be able to regain that money lost there. So the Bundesliga will not be able to hold any Stars, neither domestic nor international. Our national Team Players will all play where the money is, so not in the Bundesliga.
You can do it that way, for sure, but are all of you willing to sacrifice international Competition for B-Clas Football?
what is the answer then for a sustainable future for all clubs?
I prefer watching B-Class football instead of cheering for The Emirates aka. Manchester City or Qatar aka. PSG for example!
@@dwkickoff The only fair solution would be strict rules for all leagues at best or the european leagues at least and nothing useless like financial fairplay but unfortunately that will not happen. But as long as each league is allowed to play according to its own rules, nothing will change.
German state intervention . For every club 10 -20 mil .euros per year .
36 clubs ...not a one bilion euros ! What is that for Germany ?
the problem is not BUndesliga. The problem is the rest of the league in Europe, offering ridiculous salary for players alluring them from Bundesliga. Sport supposed to be fast first, business later, like the BUndesliga. It's FIFA/UEFA fault.
A month later they get clapped 6-0. U love to see it
give the American system a try.
you can always go back if it doesn't work.
The Premier League and Bundesliga are the best, most competitive league in the world. And the thing on why I love both leagues is because of the fans
LaLiga is definitely more competitive than the Bundesliga.
Why the Prem because of the Fans? Which Fans?
U need to control foreign investment if u want to protect any culture not just in football...
Its even harder if the country embrace extreme capitalism...
Germany is a leading country in many ways. If changes need to be made in EU football, its in German hands.
Football is a prime example of unbridled capitalism where teams with the most money end up winning. This problem is exarcerbated by the Champions League's huge payoffs. Make it to the CL for a few years in row and you'll have enough money to buy your ticket in next year. What these supporters are proposing is interesting, but that will only reduce the quality of the league because teams with more equal, but smaller overalll budgets will not be able to compete with powerhouses of the EPL,, Bayern, PSG, La Liga and Juve to retain talent.
In my opinion, football should be considered a cultural good, and not be subjected to the same EU rules of freedom of movement of players. Make it so that a team has a high requirement of local talent and a cap of foreign talent, and you'll have what you're aiming for without financially penalizing clubs.
I dont agree with capping foreign talent, that just leaves a bad impression, i agree with the rest. Football clubs are a part of community they should not be treated like a regular company participating in a free market economy. Honestly, I think with reforms the governments can do more to subsidize and help struggling clubs. A club close to bankruptcy, for example, can be bailed out by the government and the ownership transferred to supporters with certain obligations.
Am Anfang der Saison steht schon fest der Meister wir ? also Bayern München war ganz schön am Straucheln , nicht das erste Mal in der letzten Saison über die letzten Jahre . und die Konkurrenz hat es doch nicht geschafft die Schwächephase der Bayern auszunutzen. Also beschwert euch doch nicht das Bayern so starkes, bis spät euch doch lieber dass die anderen Bundesligavereine so Schwachsinn vor einigen mental so Schwachsinn
Gut in den schlechtesten 1,5 Jahren der jüngeren Vereinsgeschichte, wo jeder von der riesengroßen Bayernkrise gesprochen hat und der Trainer feuern wollte nach jedem Unentschieden wurde man nur mit 3 Punkten Abstand Meister. Du musst bedenken, dass dieses System dafür sorgt, dass die Hierarchie immer mehr in Stein gemeißelt wird und es jedes Jahr unwahrscheinlicher wird, dass wir jemals noch einen anderen Meister sehen werden. Wenn es nur an der guten Arbeit der Bayern oder der schlechten Arbeit der anderen Klubs liegen würde, wär das ja nur in der Bundesliga so, das ein Team die Liga seit Jahren dominiert. Ist aber in fast jeder europäischen Liga der Fall, wo überall das selbe „der Meister kriegt noch am meisten Geld“ System genutzt wird.
@@peterf6775 der Meister soll auch am meisten Geld bekommen? Warum zum fick wird man dann überhaupt noch Meister?
@@TheEvapiiShow sportlicher Ehrgeiz vielleicht? Die Fans glücklich machen, die Emotionen wenn man den Titel gewonnen hat? Sind das nicht die Grundgedanken des Sports? Man verdient trotzdem mehr als andere Klubs durch Merchandise, Tickets und so. In Amerika wird es auch so gehandhabt und die Teams machen nicht den Eindruck, als wenn es ihnen wurst wär ob sie Meister werden.
How do you bridge a gap which by logic is going to widen more and more??
Simple Solution would be to allow good investment in Clubs. People hate Leipzig for breaking away with 50+1 Rule where as they went on to build on young players not superstars ,though the RedBull Brand Endorsement doesn't go well with the Fans . The rule was introduced to let the fan have a majority of saying in the club , but vaguely it was setup to cushion two clubs especially Bayern (Same as the Big Picture in EPL). PL clubs like Aston Villa can get good players from CL clubs at a premium price . That's not a bad scenario given the Potential of the Big 6 in PL. I feel pity for German fans who are forced to believe in the Rule "A lie spoken 1000 times become Truth". They need to get their heads off the concept that Money is killing the Game.. Or just go around and change the entire structure and allow clubs to play only local players.
It is a good point that Leipzig haven't spent big on top stars.
Bottom line is: football needs salary caps and transfer fee caps. Not only in Europe, but everywhere. More funds won't help you when smaller sides are able to offer the same wage you do. This would also lead to players choosing their teams based on reputation, planning/strategy and feelings.
Football right now is in an extreme unregulated capitalist form. There is no regulation on transfers, over the economy, and when there is no market regulation, the giants keep getting bigger and crushing their competition. The tendency is for oligopolies to form, which then will slowly become monopolies. German football already became a monopoly. Spanish football might go that way, now that Barcelona is in crippling debt. France is going that way with PSG already. And even in England, who claims to have the league where anyone can win, there's still an oligopoly, since in recent years it's been cominated by Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool. Not even giants like Arsenal and Man United are keeping up with those three. And when you talk about UCL, there's still an oligopoly. The past 20 editions were won by 9 different teams, and after the 03-04 UCL, only Germany, Italy, England and Spain have had teams winning the UCL. This is a huge disparity.
If you want other teams to compete on the same level as Bayern then scrape the 50+1 rule and allow the billionaires to own clubs in the country. It's true they are profit minded but that is a risk you must take to be competitive. You need quality players to compete at high level and a quality player doesn't come cheap. These billionaires are not stupid, they know with success comes more profit so they will do their possible to make their clubs profitable on and off the pitch. You can't have it both ways, it is that simple.
Tell that to for example Man Utd, or Newcastle, how about Valencia, I am sure there fans love there owners? 50+1 protects the fans from these billionaires, it keeps the price of tickets low and the atmospheres amazing. Redistribution of tv money would make the Bundesliga more competitive, which would hopefully lead to more tv money, which would help all the clubs. Fans over profit its that simple.
And how will the redistribution work? You can't expect say a team like Mainz to get the same or near the amount Bayern earns. It is impossible. Outside of Germany, Majority of Bundesliga viewers views the Bayern and Dortmunds, why? because of the Lewandowskis and Haalands. These clubs have invested big and they will make sure to reap the benefits.
@Jan FCB lol... looking at your profile pic, I can assume you are Bayern fan, so there will be no need for that. Why? Because Bayern is the top dog in the Bundesliga in everthing; finances and quality of players etc.
But then again, we as fans can fume about it all we want but the fact remains that the sport has shifted from fan-based to business-based. Clubs which have embraced this are reaping the benefits. Take Dortmund for a sample, it is very fine business they are doing: buy the players young,nurture them and sell them for exorbitant prices: wonderful business plan. And it is because of the profit they make that they have remained competitive.
@@timntim6405 A fairer or even equal disruption of TV money I think would go along way. On your point about football as a business, I agree that what dortmund have done has worked very well for them I would even argue that they should have won the Bundesliga one of the last two years. But I don't think giving up on the Idea of fan ownership is the right decision, billionaires are not better at making a decision than the average fan. Little known fact is that the Bundesliga is the second richest league and growing the fastest, so image what having fair disruption could do to the league.
So European football need salary cap. Easy solution :)
No. That would be stupid. Why cripple teams that have worked 100 years to be there where they currently are?
@RollsReus _ MR11 ok salary cap for all clubs in Europe is 100 mln. Euros. Who spend more, must pay luxury tax. These money who get from luxury tax, you can spend for a lot of things, and some money you can give for smaller clubs.
@@povilasgrigas4612 again, why should smaller clubs be kept afload by bigger clubs?
@@TheEvapiiShow why richer people pay more taxes than poor people (in Western country). Because its better for economy. So same situations in football.
I love that this is framed as "news". This is not new people. this has been going on for decades. A few supporters and a couple of boardmembers isnt going to change it. The only and i mean only way to change it is if all the fans just say its enough and dont go to matches and stop watching them on tv for an entire season.
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It's called eventual consistency (or something) Tom Scott made a video on why this happens sometimes. If I remember right, it's something to do with decentralized RUclips servers
@@brandonfuerst2977 Dang, we're learning things in our own comments section!
@@dwkickoff Lol
St. Pauli? What's this? The red district of Hamburg? Who cares their opinion? Which league are they in?
2nd Bundesliga Division is under top 10 most watched divisions.
Like if you came from fiago
You need oil money
Premier league gets disgusting amounts of money 💰