IS SOC COOKED OR WE STILL COOKING? [Sword of Convallaria]
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
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😢 I hope the game doesn't die first gacha I liked
me too. i played genshin before but i like soc more.
Yea I've been waiting for this type of game for ages. Srpg gacha haha
I liked it but they were too stingy with the gacha currency, too rapid fire with the banners. I couldn't keep up so i dropped
@@gd3710 you dont need all the units in the game and you will get it eventually. no gacha gives 5 star units easily
Same. I've been buying everything to support the game as much as I can.
All they need to do is redo the monetization and reward structure.
People quit because the rewards for playing compared to summon costs is so disproportionate that as soon as people have one bad summon experience and go broke, they just instantly stop playing, because reaccumulating summon funds is abysmal.
While for people like me, usual low to mid spender, just can't rationalize buying anything in the shop, due to the horrible value proposition. Not even the BP is worthwhile. I just let the monthly sub run and that's it...
This feels like PriConne all over again...the devs just being idiots, ruining their own game.
yeah they really need to do some sales or tempting packages, I think dough going to talk to devs about this
Exactly what I said in FB. 120 summons to get safiyya and I got her in exactly 120th summon. In my mind during my summons like one mistake from this game like not get the unit I want from that and I’ll quit on the spot. Good thing I got her but it was really close for me to quit.
@@nikolotolentino that's just the rng system at work. I got her around my 4th or 5th summon.
This game gives so much content. I can't understand this community or the outrage at all. You are constantly in an event, or grinding for something. 10/10 would recommend to anyone.
@GalahadW-u3n compared to other gacha games (it is a gacha game after all) it is by far the least amount of grind ive experienced
Constant grind is okay, annoying part is the energy part, give us a free event that we can farm...
pitiful reward is the one that makes ppl turn off.... why torture yourself when there are other and better gacha game out there ?
seriously max 3 pull in shop event ?? lol ppl already used with min 10 pulls in shop event. thats what ppl out there said
Nahhh what you don't understand that is all thos content are already ready made and they are releasing it this frequent coz they are trying to catch us up with the CN version and not coz they like us
@@Barz-l go play nikke and you're gonna see what good events are actually like. easily done by anyone, extremely quickly and more important, way more rewards. most events they give out 20 pulls and tons of resources, zero grind, literally just log in and do your event dailies in 3 minutes and you're done. wish more games copied nikke fr.
they should offer cheaper packs. once you cleared the 1st time purchase hope luxites and momento packs, every first 100 bucks every month would only net about 80 pulls and subsequent 100 bucks about half of that. plus theyre too stingy with free pulls per event. in other gacha games i play, theres event every two weeks and at least 10 pull rewards per event. i guess thats why many are leaving. But ill still play it and will continue to support it.
Yea they should give us sales every now and then
We got 250 pulls total per month since release. Paired with the 2% rate and the fact that you can farm weapons and dupes FOR FREE, this actually makes SoC one of the most generous gachas around
I rerolled for Gloria and Beryl in under 10 attempts. Got Cocoa + 2 pitybreak in 120 pulls. Saffi in 10. And now I have 350 pulls + upcoming income saved for Auguste, Homa, and Taair. Y'all complaining about stinginess are just massively entitled and inefficient with your ressources. The game gives you more than enough to secure almost every high priority target with proper planing
@@Jugementgood for you i guess. ive already drop $400 since launch, didnt spend on costumes, just solely on hope lux and never used hope lux since to refresh stamina. didnt even pull on any dual banner and skip edda yet i only have 210+ pulls left. and dont say to me that I dont farm SoD since im out of keys rn. you can say that because either you only pulled only on 3 debut banner and got lucky but thats not the usual case for every player. the guy has a point, compared to other gachas (azur lane, BA, nikke, browndust and many many more) SoC is really stingy lmao. well, im still playing so far since i got every debut character so far except edda coz i skipped her, but trust me if i ever i missed one character from the debut banner i wont become f2p, heck im quitting this game for good 😂
@@Jugement 250+ pulls per month my ass. stop the cap. hawky already made computation for the pull income per event including the event, fools journey and monthlies and battle pass and the numbers didnt even reach 120. you just love to lick boots huh
@@Jugement nah im not complaining bro. im just sayin that maybe thats the reason. like i said, im still playing and will continue to spend 100 bucks per month, but having sale on luxites is not a bad idea if they want to keep the spenders. its like we're paying for subscription, we want the best deal. Rn im willing to drop 100 bucks for 80 pulls but another 100 for just half of that is really not worth it.
Game won't die, it's a low maintenance games. Problem is the devs decisions...
Love the game and content so far, but can understand it is not a cup of tea for casuals since it get pretty tricky late game. Only complain is how stingy the Luxites are and the ridiculous pity count needed for guarantee.
With this rushed schedule 120 would be so much more reasonable.
Cn server complained a lot about the game but the dev really didnt listen, they hate the fact that exclusive gear can only be obtained via TOA, and TOA meta literally changes every month with new unit to force players to spend.. The meta unit you pulled last week ( for example tristane, who is powerful for first 3 turns) become useless next week( they released TOA map with 10 enemies, each 2 stay in each corner, far far away from each other, making tristane useless). The story and other contents are getting released slowly and mediocre qualitu at best. With 3-5 milions dollar revenue across platform. For a pixel game, they could easily improve the game to gain constant players...
Absolutely. It feels like Toa becoming more of a chore than a treat. Weekly reset with a ring based reward is brutal. Not to mention the amount of shard you needed for a selector is a joke. Sod itself already took you quite a lot of time and there are still lots of chore waiting to get cleared with that weekly reset
It's really solvable problems though. For example HSR had this problem with endgame modes that felt like a chore and they made it much simpler over time. As long as the devs listen, nothing is impossible to fix
@@miorioffhey, I haven’t played hsr in awhile. What changes did they make to end game that made it simpler for you?
@@chandcn009 they added firefly into the game.
@@miorioffIt's good in terms of being faster to clean but basically now even the endgame in HSR is idle, I expect to use my brain more in SoC
I play on my Tablet and on Steam. I don't really play on my phone at all. As long as we maintain a dedicated community, even if smaller, I'm sure we will be fine. I doubt they expected an SRPG to be a top gacha game, it's a niche genre. As long as they keep updating it and coming up with good ideas for events, as well as continuing the story with Spiral of Destinies, I will be happy.
Yea what we should be worried about is does it meet the devs expectations. Like one of their games T3 arena dropped to under 100k revenue and they EoS the game.
The battle pass and subscription service don’t feel as impactful while rewards are low and being forced into all these events and character banners, naturally the game will be cooked from that perspective 🤷♂️ the game is good but this timeline is destroying the fan base
Problem is that game is too stingy with reward. I see on some discord or reddit people dont recommend the game because lack of QoL and stingy reward. Game is fun but banner rush + stingy reward kill a lot of f2p player who gona advertising the game to other player.
I think they are very concerned about the revenue system... if the game brings in no money, the game dies. the game is pretty single player, f2p players really don't matter that much in the regard.
The gacha, can be good or toxic, in this particular situation, its less about how much the tokens people are getting, but the rng or pull system is really punish for the limited amount that people have for what dopamine they get out of their time/gameplay.
I think the game is a bit off balance in their development, they really hit 5 stars in some areas, but are 2 stars in some other areas.
For a gacha game, it's very important for a game to have a balanced level of delivery, because outrage is very bad for people wanting to spend money and make pulls.
It's a Chinese company, I play for the best, and try not to think of the worsts.
@@Jenkins157 the thing is f2p is one who gona advertising for other player for a niche game. They are baseline for a gacha. If people hear that the game is stingy and bad from those f2p drop the game. No one want to try it and drop money. Mean you lost potential whale from those player.
@@huynhquang-ez7mmexactly which is why both f2p and spenders should be considered equally important. I love the game but i cant recommend it to any with how brutal the gacha is and how limited the currency in the game and the devs being too stingy. Even events just give out 2-5 summon tickets lol,
If by banner rush you mean we have an accelerated banner schedule compared to other servers than that's not true we're going the normal pace. That's been a misconception from the beginning. If you mean that you think we're getting too many banners then I suppose that's a valid concern.
@@Anoxida If you look at CN banner, you gona see one new character every month when every 2 week we gona had new one. That is rush banner? CN take 4 week for new character when Global is every 2 week. How F2p and low spender can save up and catch up?
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Genshin is the most stingy games I've played until i got introduced to this game 😂
Good points Hawky, I will also add that if feels like they are too greedy and stingy as well, with this pace of releasing units and lack of resources it makes people quit, I am low spender and I want to buy some packages but everything is so expensive man, I need to throw good chunk of money if I want to make 50 pulls which is too much I think, they could do a lot of things better in the game, right now it really feels messy.
Lmao I never thought hawky would make a video regarding my Reddit post. Love the content keep it up.
Whether you guys agree with my post or not I just wanted to open discourse about this particular topic.
Haha thanks for opening up the topic, I think it really needs to be discussed
It makes sense... I tend to enjoy playing games that don't do well.
This game has a lot of problems.
The gacha is too unforgiving. 180 for a guaranteed rate up is too much, even Hoyo games make it so once you get a non rate up banner unit, the next one will be the rate up. In here, you can continuously lose the 50/50 till 180, which is worse, even for whales (I do whale in this game and found it pretty bad as a system).
Also, just because the game throws tons of content at you, it doesn't mean it's a good tactic for player retention. These types of games are supposed to be played in small sessions, which creates burnout really fast if you create a lot of FOMO with the playerbase of fear of missingg on rewards, and since the game already gives very little rewards, it makes the player feel obligated to play all events or they will lose precious resources.
This is a personal opinion, but I hate games that have other versions that are waaaay ahead of the global version, becuase it creates a feeling that Im.not llaying the "good" version of the game for being behind on events and characters, sure, it gives you a look into the future of what's to come, but most of the games that are like these die pretty quickly since it will divide the community and playerbase no matter what.
As much as I want the game to succeed, I don't see it doing good in the coming future. The global version may be EOS before we know it, but I think the CN ver will keep going.
You're so right about the fear of missing stuffs. In my case, I do login everyday but can't play for too long since I have work to do. The SoD mode looks kind of interesting but it takes too much time to play so I had to rush it in fear of missing the rewards. It feels like a task, not playing. Setting an expiration day on items like keys of destiny is also a stupid decision of the developers. Why can't I play the game at my own pace? Instead, I again have to rush the game whenever any items is about to expire. It's so taxing.
@@dqsang90 Yeah I agree, the other day I had 4 endurance potions expire...
My only problem is the game is too stingy with their rewards but will still play nonetheless until I lose interest.
Ngl the game is indeed very stingy in comparison to other games. I hope they give out more to the community. People will easily leave the game if they keep being stingy.
@@gilpauloabracia lets not even speak of rewards.. u can't merge mats which is dumb..u have to use units and a timer to sweep...the pity system is like early 2010s pity system...these are the biggest turnoffs. only thing thats carrying this game is the story.
these are probably all issues that people in cn and tw complained about and could've been fixed before global was launched but nothing was changed. its clear the devs dont give a fk cause the first two things are easy fixes.
@@gilpauloabracia yes, I also play other gacha games and they have better rewards. I hope they gave out free hero selector soon.
Hard disagree. We got over 250 pulls a month since release. At 2% rate that's five 5* a month in average, and you can get dupes and weapons FOR FREE. Y'all complaining are just being massively entitled and inefficient with your ressources. That's it
The game keeps increasing difficulty but not with the resource and reward, especially if you're pure f2p. With the current trend of releasing T0 chars back to back, it seems they want to milk it a bit until eos soon.
When you consider that the new NDA prohibits the CCs from discussing any content until it's in the in-game notice it's clear that they intend to make CCs beholden only to them and to drive engagement/revenue instead of communicating genuinely with the community. This move in conjunction with the confirmation from a CC's leak that Taair is a good two months early and we're now dealing with 6 T0s back to back (Cocoa -> Acambe -> Safiyyah -> Auguste -> Taair/Homa -> Homa/Taair) shows that the devs have said their piece; now is the time for us to say ours.
ok people gotta start to understand that SoC is far from dying. it takes alot more for a gacha to die. tons of smaller gachas have survived for more than 3 years. all that matters is revenue in proportion to the company's ambitions
I think there is a possibility of it dying. XD is a company originally from tw/cn right? They may just abandon this because money problem, not making it their utmost best.
Also as a player myself i feel like they not giving it their best. Even in the wording of each text (translation).
I played turn-based jrpg by kemco before, it got sales of less than $10k per game but they did better on traslation. It is an offline game, mind you...
That depends entirely on the publisher and their revenue expectations to be fair.
Some gachas have been killed despite making more. Some trucked along forever with way less.
@4Len-cm1yk not with the money they are making right now. Again it's far from dying
@@4Len-cm1ykdevs couldnt even give new codes to redeem, and wth is the event without luxites and only 2 secret fates ?? game is not dying yet, but i can see it go down earlier with the way the devs habdes the issue
@@mr.cantplayaninstrument8402 Which is why they made signature weapons in July and banned people who complained about it, only to add it into Tower of Adversity as a random reward because the backlash was that big right?
If they make this an offline single player game in the first place it would sell well. But this turns out to be a gacha game so some people will be conflicted to play.
That was the plan, it failed to materialize because XD took a huge beating between 2021 and 2022 that necessitated making this into a gacha.
I hope they don't butcher this game like how they butchered T3 ARENA. That game has so much potential even many players said so as well but well the devs butchered it and it died.
Yea I saw it shutting down 70k revenue rip
They rushing banners and the currency they gave is not enough while the pity system sucks.
Its not hard to see where this is going to end.
Banners are the same pace 2 weeks as cn/tw
@@havvky Same pace but not same pattern. It is just fan fav after fan fav after fan fav.
@@havvky Aniplex did the same thing when they promised Magia Record Global players that they were going to catch up to JP only to terminate the game after launching back to back meta banners during its anniversary.
@@SM-oc4rc History repeats itself, this is Magia Record 2.0.
It's beyond cooked because the game's revenue dropped by 40% in CN when Saf and Auguste were released for many reasons (Powercreep, events that were far too difficult, Alexei nerf once live PVP between friends was introduced) and as all the skipped banners in Global/JP/KR have translations it can be said that internal conflicts around those months certainly affected both what we have now and why the CC leak shows we're getting a total of 6 back to back tier 0s instead of following TW/CN's banner release that had some filler characters. Beryl and Col's skin? That was in May 2024 and brought over early to make money. CCs getting a handsome bonus for staying loyal to the devs? All part of the plan to push sales and drive hype when they launch back to back tier 0s and introduce Tower of Adversity. Eliminating bad banners and people's rolls from passive income? Everything is easily explained as such: More than anything else, the devs need a lot of money right now!
Liking what a game has doesn't mean you're blind to its problems, the reality is that this game is building up exactly the same ire and animosity here that it did in the past and the writing is on the wall because no company does something like adding a third gacha to the game before its anniversary if it was truly doing well.
is it even a surprise? try losing 50/50 multiple times and you only get a guarantee at 180.. it's pretty much a recipe for disaster that will push new players away and they want to have a cut against big title revenue? it'd be funny if BD2 outlast SoC since they did the opposite, reminds me of the saying "killing the goose that lays the golden eggs".
Daily quest rewards should be changed for max lvl players, exp points are worthless 😢
Yes we get gold instead
If you play for the Story it will less painful with every 50/50 lost in gacha part. I say "less" because it still a real pain for fight to play player maybe even low spender, 3 hard pity and everything they hold for 2 month will vanished into thin air. I think there many player like me jump into SoC for the play style that remind us about good old day with Gameboy Advance while still full know there a gacha part those player i believe will stay for the longest that they could. About player mostly care about gacha i hope they would like the game enough to consider stay for the Story but if the player base drop too much and the dev not doing their thing good enough i afraid the worst will happen...
Many ppl will drop after fail in saffiyah banner
Yeah people have been saving up since launch cause every one has hyped Saffi ever since then. What will happen once they get her and for some reason don't like her? Or just fail pity?
People have also been saving for Auguste, and a lot will definitely fail to get him once his banner drops after Saffi. Cuz there aren't just enough pulls.
Even Hoyo isn't that banner greedy. They know the right amount of pressure. SoC has too much pull pressure. It's like the devs want to cash out asap.
Yea and with homa/taair likely to be next debuts we will have no break. Just t0 after t0
To be honest, its starts to be down because some players expect more content. And its like repeatative and its more like single type of a game. They should implement the guild system. For sure, many players will be back. Or make a new content.
Yeah i agree, there is no real end game, just mindless farming for now, i hope that will change
only gacha i loved. i wish it'd continue for long in the futuuuure
wish they'd not be stingy with the rewards. also, support for their content creators seems to be plunged into muddy water.
Yea I hope so too. We need more marketing haha
Same. It just needs more visibility. A community manager or live stream with a road map would help a ton. And throw in a collab with a popular game and bang! New players will come.
I will continue to rate this game low if they don't add in a system to merge useless low rank mats
The smartest way to play this game right now is to just play spiral of destiny. It is the best mode gameplay/story and you don't need to pull any new gacha units to play it.
@@chinkyflahz The only thing I pray for with this game is that it gets an offline patch once it goes EoS (which doesn't seem far off).
dev doesnt care with players
I don't get it, they have CN/TW servers as a learning experience, how they still running the game down?...Im sure there's feedback from those servers as well. Do dev just not listen and try to release as much new units as possible to milk players and leave the game dead ?
bro they deleted the comment on cn/tw server \
I think it is just debate. Look at total characters they're not much compare other gacha games. Just some guys want to have more Luxites for Gacha. when they run out of luxite they rant and quit the game because they can't summon new characters. They should think ahead to know which characters they should summon and we can't have all of them if we are not Poseidon. Sometime I think we are too greed. For my case I give up Momo, acambe, Edda, NonoWill... to get Safiyyah.
SoC is one of the good strategy game for me and it's enough for me who prefer single play game than online gacha game.
i mean they obviously don't listen if you can't merge mats still
@1HistoryDragon Are u serious rn? This game can do alot better stop D riding kid.
Yes.
They just have to release Lutfi
Lutfi will break the game haha
for real!! im considering saving for him just in case ;-;
@@denkindenkout6890 My Iria team needs him, Inanna and Edda to be complete
@@edmaister That will be such a solid team!! Me, I'd like to put him together with Momo and Nonowill for a debuff team haha
Good video, Hawky 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Love this game but damn when u save up n not get its pain in a55
One collaboration with any popular series (fire emblem/langriser/FF tactics/Nier) will fix this problem.
nevertheless, the voyage is not that difficult, provided you don't think level 5 can be auto (at least for me), and you don't want to get ALL of the item....
in the end this is just a game, I LOVE the game, and I will support it until the end
The rewards definitely dont feel good especially in the shop. I am only getting the BP because want a 5 star staff after that not going to get it. Low spenders arent going to spend bc the value is low only get double once and that is if you do a straight transfer after in which that only goes towards summons and not anything else and if wanted to spend it elsewhere need to spend again. The character shards you get when they are maxed it takes forever to actually use that currency for something. Which other games it doesnt take as long before can use it for something good. Have noticed the drop in players bc the guild im in has lost members and dont get any new members even though its on auto accept
I also feel they are close to achieving something good but they just don't put in the effort to get there. Like events can be much more fun such as the voyage one if allowed players to customize a bit and have a progression feel. The spiral can be expanded more which can have its own community for that i dont know in the other servers how much story expansion goes there bc no one posts about it and would have to search the websites people there post on. I also just find it weird that we have regional groups like vlder, iris, union but stuff that comes after the game release does not like the desert region, snow region, etc. They should have a group tag so there could be auras for that and even the other rarities of their units should be released like I dont know why they don't release them. I mean there are even units that should be released but haven't been in the other servers like lutfi but they add in random people who I assume they add in on somewhere in the story like the waverun people they released
No wonder that they released ads and sponsored videos lately....
I love this game but theres not much to do to keep you playing. I would suggest even making people grind allot on maybe stages and your char gain a lil buff like achievement can be just +1 doesnt matter. Achieve trophies for killing allot of something.But theres nothing more to unlock.
They r pushing catch up content way too hard. Problem is in a tactics game a fight can take awhile. Gachas need quick content to rack up pulls. So the game can take days of gameplay for one pull for some players. Initial release seemed like they were gonna take of players and it was gonna be a breakthrough game. Now it seems like any other half assed gacha money grab by crappy corporation😢
There are so many things wrong with this game like the low rewards, how repetitive it can feel seeing the same stages with different positioning. the difficulty that in some cases can take away the desire to play a stage like the weapon trials... I should entertain myself not stress, as passing a level can be slow, sometimes doing it again is not something rewarding. So far I'm only entering by doing the dailys, I still haven't gotten the last two tarots, I would like to get hooked on the game but...I don't know, it's missing something.
As a CC I understand discussing this occasionally. I dont understand everyones fixation on revenue and if its dying. The game is fine. Revenue exceeded everyones expectations on release, seeing a correction in month 2 was expected.
Its a gacha, not going to collect all the characters without spending some cash, and youre likely not going to get everything you want even with spending some money. Its a gacha game.
Not to mention, the game doesnt have as many characters as others and hasnt been out as long. Im sure they will ramp up awards and freebies as the content of the game expands. HSR was pretty stingy as it started too.
You would understand if you know we're coming close to the 'death wails' era of SOC, where the combination of Battle for Spring's Will, Fireside Chat, the Safiyyah, Auguste and Cocoa powercreep along with the Alexei nerf (Since reverted?) and Tower of Adversity sent the game into a death spiral. More on that topic in a separate post.
@Altaaira Idk, seems pretty reactionary to me. When people are all consumed with every tidbit of information concerning any topic, anything and everything becomes a controversy. Ill happily eat my words otherwise 😋
@@AltaairaYappers will quit. Losing 50% of the playerbase post release is completely normal for a gacha. The game is extremely profitable still. It made millions and you can safely assume a new character and story chapter costs them under 5 figures. The game is not closing anytime soon, you're just doomposting
@@Jugement I have a running bet here that Global has slightly above the half anniversary to the first anniversary before it closes. Also, you should know that the assets of this game can be seen in Asset Viewer and Crimson Night is already in the files so if we go until say, December to January with no further updates beyond Kvare that will proof enough.
@@jacobgiganti5075 It's not because that was the month that saw a 40% drop in CN's revenue when the game was released during late November 2023 so you can't claim the fallout was normal for a post-debut month.
4:45 VoD isn't that bad is it? Are people having a ton of difficulty with it? I feel like if you have a decent team, the mutations you can get are just super OP to the point that it makes it pretty easy to cheese the event. Like the mutations that stack buffs on your units go stupid. My characters had like a bajillion move and could snipe 3 tiles further away one run lol. Nungal was like 9+ tiles away sniping things.
Nope it's not too bad but people are still struggling with it. It's like the first taste of a hard pve event lol. Also the text issues with the last buff is confusing. I chose piercing for my 1st 7 runs cuz I misread it and was trying to kill it with magic/phy dps.
Very grindy, very repetative, very time consuming... and very greedy in terms of income/rates.
Yea, outside of Spiral of Destinies, i don't think that SoC is worth it.
even my guild leader and more than half of my guild already away for at least 7 days or more and the people that leaving keep increasing,
maybe only 10 peeps still stay at guild.
well I'll keep playing, usually they'll increase the freebies especially at Chinese new year/anniversary...
and waiting for their "snowbreak route" 😂😂
Woah time to merge and find a new guild maybe? Alot of guilds looking for fresh blood
hmm rawiyah in "snowbreak route"..... sounds tempting lol
Just deleted it yesterday, great game but very, very poor quality of life cause of the incompetent management. For 2 months and even more managed to grind Luxite for a full pity and Sapphiya took just that to get home and all this time grinding just went down the drain. In any other game for that much time you would have at least full pity and a half. They are rushing content on purpose but in the same time throwing peanuts to their own player base. Sad to say it but SoC Global is heading to EOS just cause its published by idiots.
Would love to support the game, but the packs are horrific. They need to release more summon packs! Besides the monthly, you then run out. The normal
Packs are a no-go.
Yea like they should do bonus packs per debut or per month or something
Still play daily just to kill time and level my characters and pvp but i dont think ill be spending more money on characters anymore considering the rates and scarce luxite distribution.
i got lazy to play, cause too much stalling and annoying mechanics on pve, i just want to brute force all pve content with my characters that i invested and get rewards. pvp is fun for me but rewards is ass, i will play until aguste and if i cant get him auto quit.
My favorite gatcha in recent memory that I've played, I wish it all the best.
Voyage of discovery sucks lol
I can’t believe they are cheap with the event give out for fate. It should be enough to get 1 10 pull at least.
I thought it was odd when they were cheap/scamy-like with the beryl skin. Why make it seems like it’s an odds thing when almost everyone have to pull all the way to the last pull to get the skin??? That’s a WTF moment.
I still enjoy the game but have to be frugal to enjoy. I haven’t pull in any banner except the beginning banner and saffiyah, next one I pull is going to be auguste then after that I will not be as frugile and play my odds on how long I will play the game. Saving for that long and passing so many banner is not fun.
I feel sad not pulling for simona, Edda, and acambe. Especially simona.
Hope u get lucky and pull some of them offbanner
Have you played Torchlight:Infinity by any chance?
It started off as a shameless money grab but turned into a decent free to play over time. Their seasons are hit or miss. One season it is played by every big arpg streamer out there, next one is crickets. Their media presence is the same, they either post every other day or go full radio silence.
I think it is just a small company that got big very suddenly. Hope they figure out their problems
Dont forget it is gacha, if they dont care to keep people playing it, then people will just move on, i like this game a lot, but it is greedy gacha at the end of the day.
won't be surprised if it goes eos sooner than later.
The game doesn't feel like they care for the player base it's just content dumping they're lining up the best most profitable characters so that they can cash out before it all goes south
It does look that way sometimes. Hope it's wrong
The launch was so good and fun thats its a bit of a shellshock how little there is to do thats fun when you hit level 60. It feels like they expected players to take twice as long or not make it all the way there. There just isnt much to do. The events being mega time gated kills the hype for me as well.
This new content they added seems good but at the same time other games are coming out and a whole new game is more exciting than a small update to a game.
The game needs guild content, real pvp we can Q up for whenever, Hard interesting boss fights not just the same boss with bigger numbers.
They are revamping guilds next month. Tower of Adversity will be very challenging. Same goes for fireside chat. The good stuff is coming soon.
Yea I hope that brings/keeps more people playing
@PessimisticSkeptic that's a great start. As a CC I am worried to many people will have moved on to make content viable but if there is a very energized player base then I think the game has a Brite future if they can keep the players interest.
Great core game and mechanics
If we do get Auguste and Sophia back to back, I'll be interested to see whether there's a sales spike next month after those heavy-hitters.
Revenue dropped by 40% in CN when Safiyyah and Auguste were released.
the game is cooked and I primarily blame the side of the player base that always keep making excuses for the devs. I could list the stupid things they say, but the most idiotic, by far, is, "if you dont like it, dont play it". mofo, do u actually like the game? why are u telling people to stop playing it? holy, thats bonkers! me, on the other hand, truly like this game. I want it to last, thats why I want the devs to fix the problems it has, so more people come play the game.
i hope if there's an eos they release a paid offline version since this is the type of Game where it could actually work well that way
This game woul be phenomenal that way but few have ever done that.
Game's turning to be a Chore, just to login a Specific time and trying to deplete the stamina as fast as you can.....
Even the Events cost stamina to do, instead of just being free to do.
And those Canned Octopuses are getting depleted for every mediorcre 30 stamina trial runs....
coz you find it a hassle to do those trial runs in Automatic mode and watching idiotic AIs do stupid moves.....over and over and over again.
And leveling "everyone" just to ease the "Sweeps" isnt optimal for me, coz most of my Stamina all went to Radiant Ores and Dust to level up those Weapons and trinkets to 60.....
Characters get more expensive to build, especially in Rank 9 above.
Could you kindly tell me which Gacha game we don't have to do Chore?
Well if you can't find the answer then wellcome to Gacha World. I don't play Gacha game much. But I have experience with Genshin, Punishing Gray Raven and Arknights too. They are both the same that you have do chores to get enough material to upgrade characters. That's why I prefer offline game which we don't have do too much chores to level up characters.
U can raise them up to 50 with common xp no need to rank them up
@@havvky The Sweeps require Ranks too.
The radiant forging and start trials to be specific...
They now require 3 characters with Rank 10.
And these are the ones that I prioritize the most if I have spare stamina left coz they slowly build up my account progression in terms of Character Stats development.
It's really a bottleneck, unlocking nodes and upgrading gears.
I think this game will be stay in very long term, this game is similar to final fantasy tactics, but this one is better version because it is an online game, i still enjoying play the game and progressing my legendary units, my col is already 5 stars with 3k power, my gloria 13 days more will be 5 stars & 3k power soon, my talents is all radiances, especially my watcher talents is almost max, my cornucopia staff still 2 stars, i need to get cornucopia 5 stars soon for my acambe, i missed the season 1 battlepass, can't wait to gacha the next units: auguste, homa, taair, rawiyah alter, pamina, tristan, layla, sword of convallaria is my favorite game right now
Amen brother!
there is nothing much else to do once u hit 60. I also don't see myself play this game anymore. For the last couple of weeks, i just login, sweep all the daily and then log out
the new event suck dont have hope luxite reward how are u gonna save summon for the next coming units
I will continue getting monthly+battle pass til it dies. Devs are passionate enough to continue as long as it's at least a little profitable.
In the end, they can go for something like Snobreak did after they started losing players: going balls deep into fan service. SoC's art style is already immaculate, so if it helps, they can start making lewd skins like there's no tomorrow
Thanks for loving the game. CN version advance than Global and they have never sold themself like Snowbreak. It's not fan service like other games. It's just simple turn base strategic game like Final Fantasy Tactic or Tactics Ogre so some guys leaves. But it's enough for me.
The gacha is not exciting( combined with stingy pull income), Content require player to actually sitdown and spend time.
200 wishes on saffiyah and i got guzman and maitha, that made me not want to play anymore
If you have to talk about it every week, clearly not a good sign
Did I talk about this last week? I feel like I have goldfish memory
@@havvky no worries, didn't mean you you :) Just hearing it every week from different sources. Good content btw!
Till know.. idk how to use saffiyah.. rawiyah its more straight forward to use.
Haha yea. Basically u go close to enemy (usually use dodge) and when u end turn u mark them.
Next turn u spam ur armguard and summon ur unit n use ur skills to trigger ur trait on the marked enemy
On the maind discord, i have made a game suggestions post for people to give ideas to how to increase game revenue.
If people are worrying about a possible EoS, maybe some contribution to discussion should be done (even if not on my post)
Yes, it's a little worrying to see the direction of this game with quite a lot of players quitting.
I don't really relate to the bad gacha system in this game, because I'm one of the lucky players in pulling. I got all the banner debuts with 40-60 max summons. (Gloria, Edda, Simona, Cocoa, Acambe, Safiyah)
Even in dual banners I got Col, Beryl, Nonowil, Inana, (this one I gambled for Xavier)
This account is almost F2P, only a monthly card every month, no rerolls either. So I feel the gacha rate in this game is quite fair. But maybe many users are not lucky and have to do a 180 pity pull.
Woah ur so lucky. Maybe save up some pulls just encase
That's a weird flex, but OK.
I got every character I shot for within 7 pulls, each time, so the rates have been good for me... However, in the end, it is a tactics game, which I thought I really would like, but I am already burned out and bored with it! To me, the best part about this game is the spiral of destinies! The typical mobile gacha portion of the game just seems like a chore to me, and is very boring! Overall it's a solid game, but I'd rather play this style of game in a non gacha style way... I mean, I really thought I wanted something like this, until we actually got a descent tactics based gacha... Now, I would rather have a single-player version... Go figure!?
So much negativity. I'll just enjoy the game and keep playing until I lose interest.
Smart move, everyone should be doing that!
I guess negativity is coming from passion. We don't want the game to die and we are crying out loud
Same here. I don't care about them. Just enjoy the game. I hope Heroes Smash come back. I love it.
I swear you guys are just saying the game is dying due to CC drama or some other braindead reason. The game makes money, puts out updates, and has constant events. Gachatubers dont make drama out of nothing challenge(impossible). I think the "outrage" is a joke
It's all fun until you saw their Bilibili only have 58k subscribers with the comments under their latest character trailer, please don't die I just top up 😂
The updates and the events are just translated from the cn server n haven't been tailored to fit global. Eg the Elysium brawl times were the same. We just want some sort of communication from the devs every now and again. They been so silent on everything
All gacha games die for people this is normal
lol both you and reddit said its "OK"... no it is not ok, its not even 3 motnhs but the drops already massive and population continues declining, it shows the game is a failure... i wont compare it to nexon, hoyo, tencent or other big name gacha game but octopath, lost origin and FFBE, even the horrible release fire emblem heroes are keep increasing n growing in the span of 1st 3 months release..
seriously how the fck u guys seeing this is an "OK" sign ?? 1st 3 months is the most important to determine, will new players coming or not
I mean I guess we coping, we want the game to do well even when we see it going down. Might remain stable or we get a breath of fresh air with saf and future content. This might be the turning point for us.
@@havvky if its next month, maybe a turning point but for the 2nd most hype character is now ?? just after the most hyped character cocoa ?? even whale and account seller disgust with this tactic...
for me, the game's state and this tactic, it just look as a last effort cash grab b4 EOS.....
the game is boring at this moment...
with out real time pvp there is not point on the game to auto every level and get all the drops
pretty boring
I just riding the waves,if it death² , I just let it sink and jump to another gacha, Ashes of Echoes seem fun
I hope this game will keep alive cause I think is the only gacha I know that is fair with us. Do you know if it's possible to play in the Chinese server in English? Do you think is worth to keep playing in the Global server ?
U can play tw server I did manage to find it b4. It's probably still best to continue with global. U need to read alot of skills n effects
They should have randomized birth stats and astrology and made these nft’s.
The game would be booming
Still having fun with FTP, level 58, trying to get enough together again for another pull session for Rose, 80 pulls before and all I git was Beryl, who I did not have before at least.... Hoping for new destiny story lines myself :) Trader is pretty fun. Ya they have to do something with the community indeed, with more events, get the new creative deal up and running,
Tbh I’m bored most of the time with this game. Login 2x a day, collect energy then finish all daily then sleep. we need more content like at least open up weapon trials even tho we don’t get rewards after finishing it once to play with our characters or get some reward from tower all the way to 10-5 again.
they just keep releasing units after units and no where to use it for.
SRPG is a niche genre and the game chose to actually have difficult content, much too difficult for the average gacha player's intelligence. I'm glad they did, but there are consequences to that.
Langrisser is still alive in CN and it outperformed SOC.
@@Altaaira how auto battle friendly is that game?
@@Mariengrad1648 Not gonna lie, it's very grind-heavy and not that accessible to new players these days but there's a reason Langrisser Mobile is called the granddaddy of SRPG gachas. SOC actually copied most of its systems and made it worse with signature weapons being one of the most notable ones because you can farm for them in Langrisser.
@@Mariengrad1648not at all the AI is braindead. Plus there's obstacles and modifiers on every level that can force you to play it a certain way that the auto does not do.
just play the game if you enjoy the it, why people care about other player quitting? soc are more likely a solo play game
We care cuz solo game can play offline, soc u cant lol
I think people are falsely claiming the relatively low income and unit acquisition rate makes the devs stingy. If we took away the ability to gain 5* of a character after ~3 months of farming per 3 characters then I would say this game is very greedy.
It seems instead the power per individual pull is higher but most people with a collector/hoarder mentality who complain don't think this way. They instead see this as a sole downside with no form of compensation. Probably the same people who complain about the story without playing Spiral...
Have you considered that characters only return in dual banners after their first run, on top of commonly being paired with a more inferior character? Every debut you miss incurs debt and you can never 'repay' your debt because of the low pulls on top of the addition of a third gacha in the form of signature weapons, and this ironically makes it easier for people to settle with being F2P if they don't outright quit.
I don't care about other think about this game. It's good game and I love its contend. I just hope we have Heroes smash comeback and some kind of tournament. Don't let other negative opinion affect you.
Meh, I'm enjoying the game a lot. It could do with more guild events though, and not just to spam chat with nonsense.
Dead game walking
Why ppl care obout this kind of thing,, can u just play the game like i do
If you don’t like it, then don’t watch the videos lol
We care because we love and are passionate about the game. If its dying then we can't play when it eos
@@TheBenedictchan1 i like havvky so i watch every thing he post
@@D_Sablewell you got the answer
@@miorioff But I think we are have negative issue here. Just accept the games is enough. I am only hope Heroes Smash come back. More luxites are good but we can't have high hope about it.
Omg!!! The free to play players are complaining that they cant get much stuffs and things are so slow and they are leaving the game? 😂