@@bigblue6917 You probably won't even get there in the first place. As it was said in the video, it is in an area of the Kiel Naval Arsenal - meaning an active military facility. Getting in there is pretty much out of the question.
Yeah actually as German it happens once at my hometown. They actually found SC250 bomb at suburb near few block near my home with metal detector. The house owner immediately call a police to disarmed those bomb.
Admiral Scheer was the raider that the Jarvis Bay engaged to give the convoy a chance to escape. A neighbor of mine was in the crew that manned the little pop gun and one of few survivors. He said the last thing he remembered before he came to on the hospital ship was his spotter saying "You hit her Beaman...didn't even marr the paint"...then the sound of an 11' shell comming in. The RCN honoured his request to have his ashes scattered over the site of the battle....by a crewman who was also one of his neighbours.
Jervis Bay's heroic defense of HX84 was in the finest traditions of the RN. But in what context do we then evaluate the actions of the SS Beaverford? Not a warship, just a lowly merchant ship manned only by average Joe merchant seamen, she fought the Scheer for four hours to cover the retreating convoy. She was armed with a one 4" and one 3" guns, and she she fought gamely, popping in and out of a smoke screen to engage it's 11" armed opponent and taking 16 5.9" and 3 11" hits before finally succumbing to a torpedo hit. She was lost with all hands. her last signal was " “It is our turn now. So long. The captain and crew of SS Beaverford”.
Tom Semmens It appears that Jervis Bay has actually taken a lot of the credit that should have gone to Beaverford, given how much longer the latter lasted in that fight.
@@bkjeong4302 I think there is enough glory for all, Beaverford ,though not forgotten, is overlooked by Naval historians because they are naval historians & she was a civilian ship. I have never heard Naval personal disparage the Red Ensign.
There is an Australian connection to HMS Jervis Bay, something the Royal Australian Navy has honoured by naming ships after it. First, Jervis Bay, on the south coast of New South Wales, is the official ;'home anchorage' of the RAN. Second - Fogarty Fegan, the captain of HMS Jervis Bay in her final battle, had been an instructor at the Royal Australian Naval College at, you guessed it, Jervis Bay. Not of huge significance in the great scheme of things, but interesting to know..
I've been studying WWII and 20th century warfare for over 40 years, and I rarely run into any info that I have not seen (or read) before. That was before I found Mark Felton's YT page.
The Panzerschiffe had one triple 11" turret fore and aft. The many scenes in this video that show two turrets, one superimposed over another, are of either the Scharnhorst or Gneisenau. The last shot of a battleship steaming is of the Gneisenau.
Why couldn’t high school history be this interesting? Ever since I found your channel I have realized that I really love history, it has just been taught in a boring way when I was in school.
Back in 1971, I read a paperback book titled "Pocket Battleship - The Story of the Admiral Scheer". This was during my down time in between classes during my sophomore year of high school. I found it fascinating!
This is what makes this channel so interesting. Subjects with video clips and pictures of stories that we mostly have never heard of, and not another take of ones we have all heard of.
First thought, those Werewolf plans for resistance after occupation were pretty thorough. Second thought, a battleship is a bit harder to hide under a car park than Richard III.
I could imagine this actually being a standard wartime procedure, maybe even one they trained (which is probably what's going on in the video clip). Removing the plug could be a very time-critical step for preparing for battle, and the time to find and set up a latter could cost precious time. Another man is a much quicker and easier way of getting up to that height. All the concerns about risk assessment and it not being allowed now - it's all a bit different in wartime. What would make that tricky though is if they needed to do that while at sea, on a rolling and pitching deck. I've played "chicken" (the version with people on one another's shoulders trying to knock one another off, typically in a pool or other water) enough to see how unstable a man with a person of equal weight on his shoulders is. A more logical solution would probably to attach ropes to the plugs so they can be pulled out from the deck, but there must be a reason for not doing so, as if anyone would think to do something like that it would be the Germans.
I have always found fascination in these war clips. Im in my 70zz with my girlfriend here we remenise a bit about our fathers both veterans of ww2.,And it was of the war time reals and movies they spent many an hour watching. Good Work Mr Felton, Thanks
Wow. Just when you start think you have heard it all before. Mark hits us upside the face with a BURIED BATTLESHIP and brings us back to the reality that we will never know all the interesting stories of history. But Mark will do his best to enlighten us a little. Thanks Mark!
Excellent as usual. It makes a change to watch a video the accurately reflects what's being narrated. Even the so-called professionals fail to do this from time to time. 👍
This video repeatedly shows images and film of ships that are either Scharnhorst or Gneisenau. Ships that are not at all related to the Admiral Sheer or its sister ships. So the accuracy of the video relative to the narration isn't particularly good imo.
Some of, if not THE most interesting, well presented and edited content on youtube. Truly a short documentaries channel always with an fascinating story.
Unbelievable Mark, another fascinating story. You always dig out the rare and forgotten tales of the wars. I have watched the history of the second world war since i was a child, i thought i seen it all but no. You deserve millions of subscribers, we subscribers should all share your channel and make a point of doing it regularly. It truly is an amazing channel.
Mark, you're a living legend. Time to put all your documentaries in an edited film and tour the Unis under a 'Facts of WWII History'; void of emotion and focused, logical, all the documentaries are simply superb. Thank you.
Fascinating video. One point of correction however: HMNZS Achilles was one of the 3 "British" cruisers that engaged the Graf Spee - while it's true that she started out as HMS Achilles, and ended her service in the Indian Navy, during WWII she was part of the NZ Squadron and then the NZ Navy upon it's formation. One of the high points in NZ's rather limited naval history and as a Kiwi one I'm particularily proud of. Splitting hairs I know, but had to mention it. Otherwise, great video as usual.
It would be prohibitively expensive - plus there isn't enough left to warrant restoration. It really is but the bulk of the hull itself. As such I think it is more worthwhile to preserve it as a memorial.
I knew the story of the Sheer's burial but never could find any details (much less scrapping photos). This is great, thanks so much for answering decades old questions!
Phenominal i love history espically forgotten and our rare true stories. And you sir are the king of simplified historical education. You're truly the best at what you do thank you
Always heard the term 'pocket battleship' but never knew the exact reasoning behind the designation until now. Count on Mark Felton to provide little known details no one else does.
I really enjoy this channel because I always either learn something I didn't know or learn something more about something I thought I already knew about.
These videos are very illuminating and contain many things I did not know. They also bring out aspect of the war not often in evidence . Like here the idea that the ship was bombed to prevent it falling into Soviet hands. So even with the fighting still going the West (or at least the British) were already beginning to shift their focus to a new enemy. One that at the time was an ally.
Eh.. considering the relative proximity to Chernobyl (compared to Scapaflow) it would be up for debate how low the amount of radiation really is. Plus, the area is not exactly readily accessible with it being an active naval facility.
You find the most obscure and interesting subjects to cover. As a WWII buff,it is exiting to uncover new stories that you have never heard. Thank you....
Jervis Bay Park in Owen Sound Ontario Canada commemorates the little ship that sacrificed itself to save a convoy. One of the crew killed on that VC ship was a resident of Owen Sound and I believe the first person in the town killed during the second World War. Owen Sound is a small town but 3 citizens won the Victoria Cross in both Great Wars. All 3 survived their respective adventures - which must be some kind of record. Sadly, despite the epic poem, few citizens realise the significance of the park as there is no historic marker explaining the park. It is on 8th street near the Carnegie Library and cenotaph where the 3 VC winners have plaques erected.
What an inglorious end for a magnificnnt ship...even if it was German. It fought so much, it wore itself out, needed a refit. Then to be targeted when it didn't need to be, and eventually picked at for scraps and abandonned,buried where it lay, and forgotten. Pretty sad really.
Battleships and aircraft carriers were and are prestige weapons and Germany was arrogant enough to decide the needed them even though they could never compete with Britain on the high seas, let alone America as it entered as player number 3. Instead of battleships and carriers, imagine how many tanks and submarines could have been built for the same resources. Thanks for the video Mark, I never knew that the Admiral Sheer had a burial spot.
My Father's ship the "Highland Monarch" out ran the Graf Spee into the River Plate and berthed in BA to undergo engine repairs, his ship returned the English survivors held onboard the GS back to England - they all spoke highly of Lansdorf the GS captain as a true Gentleman and of how well they were treated whilst onboard GS - in the 1970's l was Chief Engineer of a Norwegian built (1950) cargo ship (mv Soochow) that had a 1943 MAN diesel engine (same as the Pocket Battleship engines - they had 8, 4 per Shaft) - the 3 generators were ex-submarine engines, again manufactured in the early 1940's
So all we have to do, is dig underneath it, put a lot of concrete and a forest of timber footings under it, in selected areas as engineered, weld brackets and jack it up with hydraulic jacks, a little at a time in such a way that it rotates. Digging around the edge as needed to free it up, continue jacking and rotating until it rotates out of the ground with its superstructure in the correct position. Hopefully with the deck near ground level. Although some of the bottom and some brass and copper has been removed for scrap. Backfill the hole with rubble, scrub and paint or plaster it as a maritime museum with a nearby parking lot (car park). The good thing is it is not in a remote area, and there are lots of industrious folks living in that country. I wonder if the turrets have fallen out of their mounts though? A billion Euros might do it. It would have to be a government project obviously, so might take decades.
Hear me Hear me, Any volunteers that are up to the task of digging up a battleship with myself and Mark Felton's Patreon's club ?
Eh.. no thanks. trespassing upon an active military facility is not exactly on my to-do list.
I VOLUNTEER
I am.
@Herbert Norkus hmmmm... kannst du Deutsch sprechen :D?
@@ranekeisenkralle8265 perhaps if we ask nicely and bring beer to the guardhouse they will let us in
Wow! An actual buried battleship. talk about the ultimate metal detector find. Dude I found a BATTLESHIP!
Begs the question whether any Nazi relics might remain within what is left of the ship carcass.
You are going to need one hell of a shovel to dig that one up. 😊
@@bigblue6917 LOL
@@bigblue6917 You probably won't even get there in the first place. As it was said in the video, it is in an area of the Kiel Naval Arsenal - meaning an active military facility. Getting in there is pretty much out of the question.
Yeah actually as German it happens once at my hometown. They actually found SC250 bomb at suburb near few block near my home with metal detector. The house owner immediately call a police to disarmed those bomb.
about 1000 years from now some future archaeologist is gonna be like "WTF is this ship doing here ?"
Admiral Scheer was the raider that the Jarvis Bay engaged to give the convoy a chance to escape. A neighbor of mine was in the crew that manned the little pop gun and one of few survivors. He said the last thing he remembered before he came to on the hospital ship was his spotter saying "You hit her Beaman...didn't even marr the paint"...then the sound of an 11' shell comming in.
The RCN honoured his request to have his ashes scattered over the site of the battle....by a crewman who was also one of his neighbours.
Jervis Bay's heroic defense of HX84 was in the finest traditions of the RN. But in what context do we then evaluate the actions of the SS Beaverford? Not a warship, just a lowly merchant ship manned only by average Joe merchant seamen, she fought the Scheer for four hours to cover the retreating convoy. She was armed with a one 4" and one 3" guns, and she she fought gamely, popping in and out of a smoke screen to engage it's 11" armed opponent and taking 16 5.9" and 3 11" hits before finally succumbing to a torpedo hit. She was lost with all hands. her last signal was " “It is our turn now. So long. The captain and crew of SS Beaverford”.
Tom Semmens
It appears that Jervis Bay has actually taken a lot of the credit that should have gone to Beaverford, given how much longer the latter lasted in that fight.
@@bkjeong4302 I think there is enough glory for all, Beaverford ,though not forgotten, is overlooked by Naval historians because they are naval historians & she was a civilian ship. I have never heard Naval personal disparage the Red Ensign.
There is an Australian connection to HMS Jervis Bay, something the Royal Australian Navy has honoured by naming ships after it. First, Jervis Bay, on the south coast of New South Wales, is the official ;'home anchorage' of the RAN. Second - Fogarty Fegan, the captain of HMS Jervis Bay in her final battle, had been an instructor at the Royal Australian Naval College at, you guessed it, Jervis Bay.
Not of huge significance in the great scheme of things, but interesting to know..
I've been studying WWII and 20th century warfare for over 40 years, and I rarely run into any info that I have not seen (or read) before. That was before I found Mark Felton's YT page.
The Panzerschiffe had one triple 11" turret fore and aft. The many scenes in this video that show two turrets, one superimposed over another, are of either the Scharnhorst or Gneisenau. The last shot of a battleship steaming is of the Gneisenau.
So when does the Mark Felton digging club start up?
Without further delay.
Long Caster : Yes ! Imagine digging down and finding a way into the ship ...
Ok I'm already in germany so I want to volunteer. xD
Im ready with my metal detector, soooooo... XD
So if i finally end my studies in German, can i volunteer too?
Why couldn’t high school history be this interesting? Ever since I found your channel I have realized that I really love history, it has just been taught in a boring way when I was in school.
Just found this channel. Feels like the original History Channel. Love it.
I remember when TLC had legitimate content worthy of being on a channel called "The Learning Channel."
_Mark Felton_ Uploads.
_Me_ This does put a smile on my face.
Was about to say something similar. So yea, Go Mark!
Yep same. Every single video uploaded.
Mark all the way!
Me: on pornhub when a mark Felton notif pops up
Me: The hardest choices require the strongest wills
Back in 1971, I read a paperback book titled "Pocket Battleship - The Story of the Admiral Scheer". This was during my down time in between classes during my sophomore year of high school. I found it fascinating!
The term "pocket battleship" was coined by the British media. Both navies considered them to be more like heavy cruisers.
I’m a simple man, I see Mark Felton Productions, I click
Are you also the same simple man that post this comment everytime?
This is what makes this channel so interesting. Subjects with video clips and pictures of stories that we mostly have never heard of, and not another take of ones we have all heard of.
Mark managed to find another astonishing piece of war history, unknown to the most of us. Mark, you are the man!!
Germany sure made some beautiful warships.
Thanks for this channel, learn something new with every episode.
they should have concentrated on subs as recommended by Karl Donitz
First thought, those Werewolf plans for resistance after occupation were pretty thorough. Second thought, a battleship is a bit harder to hide under a car park than Richard III.
100x better then school history teachers
Agreed.
Brilliant. Nice to watch well researched and presented snippets like this. Thank you.
I'm a simple man. I see felton video, I click thumb up first, watch video later.
0:02 I love how the guy cleaning the mid gun is sitting on his frinds shoulders.
Couldn't do that today, just think of all risk assessment forms that would have to be filled out.
Lol when you dont have a ladder your friend works fine
Actually he’s taking the plug off the gun but it’s still hilarious.
then you are gay..
I could imagine this actually being a standard wartime procedure, maybe even one they trained (which is probably what's going on in the video clip). Removing the plug could be a very time-critical step for preparing for battle, and the time to find and set up a latter could cost precious time. Another man is a much quicker and easier way of getting up to that height. All the concerns about risk assessment and it not being allowed now - it's all a bit different in wartime. What would make that tricky though is if they needed to do that while at sea, on a rolling and pitching deck. I've played "chicken" (the version with people on one another's shoulders trying to knock one another off, typically in a pool or other water) enough to see how unstable a man with a person of equal weight on his shoulders is. A more logical solution would probably to attach ropes to the plugs so they can be pulled out from the deck, but there must be a reason for not doing so, as if anyone would think to do something like that it would be the Germans.
I have always found fascination in these war clips. Im in my 70zz with my girlfriend here we remenise a bit about our fathers both veterans of ww2.,And it was of the war time reals and movies they spent many an hour watching. Good Work Mr Felton, Thanks
Amazing facts. Thanks Mark. It’s great that you covered so many of the ships.
Love your work.
ANOTHER EXCELLENT VIDEO AND INFO FROM Mr. Felton!!!!!
And again, another bit of history that I have never heard of, very interesting.Thank you Mark Felton.
No mark, we would never think your lying or mad. Great vid once again
Metallica concert for me tonight in Manchester... but your videos are still the highlight of my day
You lucky bastard
Think my brother is off to that
Enjoy Metallica, but looking out my window, your gonna get wet
Wow. Just when you start think you have heard it all before. Mark hits us upside the face with a BURIED BATTLESHIP and brings us back to the reality that we will never know all the interesting stories of history. But Mark will do his best to enlighten us a little. Thanks Mark!
Excellent as usual. It makes a change to watch a video the accurately reflects what's being narrated. Even the so-called professionals fail to do this from time to time. 👍
This video repeatedly shows images and film of ships that are either Scharnhorst or Gneisenau. Ships that are not at all related to the Admiral Sheer or its sister ships. So the accuracy of the video relative to the narration isn't particularly good imo.
Some of, if not THE most interesting, well presented and edited content on youtube. Truly a short documentaries channel always with an fascinating story.
Such stories as these always leave me sad and morose. Such grand ships deserved better, from both their foes, and especially their owners.
I love your videos Mark, probably the best historian ever!
Your video's are much enjoyment Mark, keep it up!.
Unbelievable Mark, another fascinating story. You always dig out the rare and forgotten tales of the wars. I have watched the history of the second world war since i was a child, i thought i seen it all but no. You deserve millions of subscribers, we subscribers should all share your channel and make a point of doing it regularly. It truly is an amazing channel.
You never cease to amaze me... learning new and amazing snippets of history through every video keep up this amazing work!
God bless Mark for teaching history in this day and age...
Mark, you're a living legend. Time to put all your documentaries in an edited film and tour the Unis under a 'Facts of WWII History'; void of emotion and focused, logical, all the documentaries are simply superb. Thank you.
Fascinating video. One point of correction however: HMNZS Achilles was one of the 3 "British" cruisers that engaged the Graf Spee - while it's true that she started out as HMS Achilles, and ended her service in the Indian Navy, during WWII she was part of the NZ Squadron and then the NZ Navy upon it's formation. One of the high points in NZ's rather limited naval history and as a Kiwi one I'm particularily proud of. Splitting hairs I know, but had to mention it. Otherwise, great video as usual.
Why the hell would New Zealand need a Navy? Located nowhere near any water.
Thank you Mr. Felton, you are awesome!
It would be fascinating to have it dug up!
It would be prohibitively expensive - plus there isn't enough left to warrant restoration. It really is but the bulk of the hull itself. As such I think it is more worthwhile to preserve it as a memorial.
@@ranekeisenkralle8265 I wonder if anyone like a historical society has put a marker up at the site, or if the military base has prohibited that.
She was such a beautiful ship, i honor her and any one that served aboard her
Another admirable video by Mark Felton. I know a lot about WWII, but I usually learn new things from his videos.
I knew the story of the Sheer's burial but never could find any details (much less scrapping photos). This is great, thanks so much for answering decades old questions!
Wow! What an interesting topic! Nice work Mark, as usual
Phenominal i love history espically forgotten and our rare true stories. And you sir are the king of simplified historical education. You're truly the best at what you do thank you
Love it. I'm always a little sad there's so little of german navy remaining.
they literally did the same thing to even their own glorious armada completely.
I didn't know that the hull of the Admiral Sheer still exists, I'm impressed! Thanks for heads up and again you did a wonderful job!
well.. at least around 60% still exist... that is the chunk that is buried there.
Always heard the term 'pocket battleship' but never knew the exact reasoning behind the designation until now. Count on Mark Felton to provide little known details no one else does.
I really enjoy this channel because I always either learn something I didn't know or learn something more about something I thought I already knew about.
Mark - another insightful, balanced and enjoyable episode- Thank you..!
Mark, THANK YOU for these awesome videos!
These videos are very illuminating and contain many things I did not know. They also bring out aspect of the war not often in evidence . Like here the idea that the ship was bombed to prevent it falling into Soviet hands. So even with the fighting still going the West (or at least the British) were already beginning to shift their focus to a new enemy. One that at the time was an ally.
What a truly amazing story, wow! :)
"hello, is that Tony Robinson. I have a great idea for a Time Team special."
Ah but surely the role would have to goto Toni Robinsohn instead.
'And we only have three days to dig it...."
This one is digging deep into History! Thank you!
Great work mark. Another outstanding piece of work.
"Deutschland returns to Germany" thats kinda funny :D
I do enjoy these little video bites of history
dude, you always show stuff that no other channel does good job
That's a bunch of low-background steel that seems easy to get? You'd think that Siemens would be all over that...
Eh.. considering the relative proximity to Chernobyl (compared to Scapaflow) it would be up for debate how low the amount of radiation really is. Plus, the area is not exactly readily accessible with it being an active naval facility.
Great find, with all pics, video and today pictures. Congratulation
Absolutely amazing! Great video and great to learn something new 👍
Mark yet another fantastic video thanks for sharing
You find the most obscure and interesting subjects to cover. As a WWII buff,it is exiting to uncover new stories that you have never heard. Thank you....
Sounds like a giant cover up to me.
of what if I may ask?
It's now part of a possible underground resistance..
@@Phineas_Freak It's humor, think about it.
Bravo from the Felton Fanatics! I do hope that all the war dead were removed after it was bombed.
Good to see another very interesting videos.
Mark Felton tells history as it should be told.
Jervis Bay Park in Owen Sound Ontario Canada commemorates the little ship that sacrificed itself to save a convoy. One of the crew killed on that VC ship was a resident of Owen Sound and I believe the first person in the town killed during the second World War. Owen Sound is a small town but 3 citizens won the Victoria Cross in both Great Wars. All 3 survived their respective adventures - which must be some kind of record.
Sadly, despite the epic poem, few citizens realise the significance of the park as there is no historic marker explaining the park. It is on 8th street near the Carnegie Library and cenotaph where the 3 VC winners have plaques erected.
Ich bin aus Kiel und wuste das noch nicht.Danke Dir!!!👍👍👍🇩🇪
Very well done and fascinating video. Many thanks.
Happy to hear some ships were used as last ditch shelling of the Reds...somewhat consoling.
Another great video Mark, leave it to you to find a buried battleship. Keep up the awesome work !
Truly amazing. Thank you. 😊
The never ending amazing stories,, an 👑 channel
My grandmother was a refugee from Swinemünde. She mentioned that the Admiral Scheer was in Swinemünde before she left the town.
Super interesting as always.Thank you sir!
Mark...I really like all your videos...very good work...
Make a museum damn it!! it is not even deep underwater but even in the country!
Always wondered what happened to her. Brilliant, Mark, as always.
That is really incredible.
It's amazing what gets forgotten or lost.
Loosing a battle ship is very forgetful.
Wow amazing story, I love your videos 👍
Must be the Greatest Respect a Battleship can be shown. A 21 Gun Salute Burial !!
What an inglorious end for a magnificnnt ship...even if it was German. It fought so much, it wore itself out, needed a refit. Then to be targeted when it didn't need to be, and eventually picked at for scraps and abandonned,buried where it lay, and forgotten. Pretty sad really.
Your videos never cease to amaze.
Great story. Thanks.
Fantastic film.
Enjoying the videos, can't wait for the next one .
Great story again, Mark.
Love everything about this channel!!!!
Good job Mark! Love your vids!
Another fantastic video.... Great!
Battleships and aircraft carriers were and are prestige weapons and Germany was arrogant enough to decide the needed them even though they could never compete with Britain on the high seas, let alone America as it entered as player number 3. Instead of battleships and carriers, imagine how many tanks and submarines could have been built for the same resources. Thanks for the video Mark, I never knew that the Admiral Sheer had a burial spot.
I read in a Parnells book that the Tirpitz used enough steel for 12 months of Tiger production.
First I've hear of this, great video and information as usual. Thanks
My Father's ship the "Highland Monarch" out ran the Graf Spee into the River Plate and berthed in BA to undergo engine repairs, his ship returned the English survivors held onboard the GS back to England - they all spoke highly of Lansdorf the GS captain as a true Gentleman and of how well they were treated whilst onboard GS - in the 1970's l was Chief Engineer of a Norwegian built (1950) cargo ship (mv Soochow) that had a 1943 MAN diesel engine (same as the Pocket Battleship engines - they had 8, 4 per Shaft) - the 3 generators were ex-submarine engines, again manufactured in the early 1940's
So all we have to do, is dig underneath it, put a lot of concrete and a forest of timber footings under it, in selected areas as engineered, weld brackets and jack it up with hydraulic jacks, a little at a time in such a way that it rotates. Digging around the edge as needed to free it up, continue jacking and rotating until it rotates out of the ground with its superstructure in the correct position. Hopefully with the deck near ground level. Although some of the bottom and some brass and copper has been removed for scrap. Backfill the hole with rubble, scrub and paint or plaster it as a maritime museum with a nearby parking lot (car park). The good thing is it is not in a remote area, and there are lots of industrious folks living in that country. I wonder if the turrets have fallen out of their mounts though? A billion Euros might do it. It would have to be a government project obviously, so might take decades.
Again, another amazing story !!! ......
i love your videos cheers from Egypt
Sorry , Mark , I have many times tried to find the subscription box.This was another great production...more please , Gill
Is that a battleship in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me?