Just watching the 2-up laps made me nervous, I couldn’t imagine sitting on back during that. Balls of steel gents, we’ll done and I’m glad you both made it out alive.
I currently ride a '15 BMW r1200RT, but after riding the 1600 Beemer I have decided to go with a '21 GW DCT model. My ratioinale: back up assist gear, and also a lower CG. I am only 5'8" and 145 lbs, so the reverse gear, at my age (68) is now a necessity. I think BOTH of these bikes are fabulous, but the Honda is simply a better choice for me at this time in my riding life. THANKS for such a wonderful video !!
I have had my K1600 B (for bagger) Grand America a week and put 1K miles on it. I looked at the Honda, but was so happy with my ‘06 1200RT Boxer that I stayed with BMW. I also had a “flying brick” K1200 LT before that! This is my best, unnecessary, extravagant, most outrageous motorcycle purchase yet. It’s so much more than the review suggests. The electric windscreen, side vents, keyless start, central locking, alarm, Bluetooth, Sirius, electric Reverse, the auto up/down shift feature (like paddles), the “on the fly” dynamic/road/rain suspension and traction control, the ABS Pro brakes that take lean angle into account (!), the Zenon angel eyes adaptive headlight, the road/Fog lights, all LED tail stop and directional, .... tire pressure monitor.... engine guard/floorboards... mine has every option but the forged wheels. I ride daily, year round in NV. It’s just an incredible bike; I prefer it to the GTL, as the rear passenger height is 3” lower, because the bagger rear is redesigned. About 39-41 mpg running “hard” on interstate and city combined. I’m a happy owner! 741 lbs dry. Just buy one. 😎
@@TakeTimeToRide Ok, Cool, I am a biker myself , probably for life. I realize how my taste has changed from a dirt bike at 15, to a street bike, then sport bike to now I like the scooters. Mabye I will get to the big highway cruiser bikes next, but right now my need for speed is gone, but I still feel the need to ride. It is therupudic for me. ( excuse my spelling)
BadgerCo-Op I don’t understand, why can’t a normal mechanic just do it for less? Do you really need the annual service? Can’t you do much of it yourself? Like if you get a second hand BMW for example.
These guys are amazing. The chemistry, the madness :) Loved this episode.... one of the best motorcycling shows. The humor... guys, just keep doing and enjoying this... Thumbs up!
Having owned both of these bikes... your comments and conclusions are *exactly* what mine are. I put 45,000 miles on my 2013 Honda F6B and I miss it sorely. I drove it like a sport bike, though, and blew the transmission twice... both times repaired under warranty. I figured whether it was me or the bike causing the breakage, it probably wasn't the best fit for how I ride so I traded for the K1600 GTL. Now with 9,000 miles on my 2016 K1600 GTL the performance and handling are unquestionably better than the F6B. I love this bike dearly and any enthusiast who hasn't ridden one is missing out on a great motorcycling experience. With that said... the "grace" and stability of the Goldwing F6B still calls to me; a legendary bike indeed.
Wow so cool,I too owned f6b and loved it.I then bought 2019 goldwing nontour and it was nice bike but just couldn't get excited bout it.So I sold it and purchased k1600b and what a motorcycle.! Anyone who rode sport bikes in younger days need ride k1600b .Power ,luxury this motorcycle is amazing. No clutch lifts front wheel in first two gears ,no other baggers doing that! Funfun comfortable
@@jamesspencer406 Idk how it happened but I launched from a red light once and got the front tire literally 3 or 4 feet in the air 😆 As you'd know, DTC usually steps in to keep the front wheel down, I guess I caught it sleeping 🤣
On Two Wheels is by far my favorite thing on RUclips. Funny, informative, creative, and you two, Zack and Ari, are absolutely perfect for the job (videographers, photographers, and editors are awesome too, lest you be forgotten...). The whole thing just has the right feel to it; it’s a little like top gear, but more kind-hearted, and you guys always look like you’re having a blast. To top it off, both of you are excellent riders (and racers)... the reviews are so much more interesting than just numbers and features lists. A shame that there doesn’t seem to be the budget to have longer episodes like this on a weekly (or bi-weekly, I don’t know how much time it takes to produce an episode, but guessing it’s not a quick process) basis. Anyhoo, keep up the good work!
Absolutely one of the best motorcycle test videos ever. This actually is closer to my riding style than any test (print or video) that I have seen. I'm retired now and I think riding on the back for a lap of LS would kill me. Think of what it must be like behind Randy Mamola. For the record I traded in my FJR 1300 for a R1200RT (WC). I liked both bikes immensely.
I shopped both these bikes, and test rode both the 18 Wing and the K1600B since there were no Grand America's available for test rides. Having been a Honda guy since the 70's, the last 20 years touring on a 99 Valkyrie, I wanted to love the Wing, but after experiencing the BMW's inline 6 at full honk, ripping off 8000 rpm clutchless upshifts with the optional Shift Assist Pro, it was all over. The Wing was very nice, but I was disappointed that after completely redesigning the motor, suspension, etc., Honda didn't significantly increase the power. If the Wing's redesign was supposed to be sportier and attract the next (younger) generation, more power should have been added. I'm 60 (legally old enough to buy a Wing;) and I still love horsepower! 160hp vs, 125hp is a damn big difference. I too was leery of the Beemers potential maintenance costs and sparse dealer network, especially since my Honda's have been so reliable. In the end, I went with a BMW K1600 GTL after getting $3500 in factory rebates, which brought the price down to what I would have paid for the Wing, $1000 less then the GA would have cost. I decided low maintenance costs and reliability weren't my most important criteria, that's for choosing home appliances, it's how I feel when I climb on and ride that's most important. I'm betting that, in the long run, the reliability and dealer network issues won't be so significant that I will have any regrets about choosing the BMW. IMHO, the Beemer's better suited for carving up mountain roads, the Honda at eating miles on the slab. Either way, there both great bikes for their intended purpose, buy the one you want and enjoy!
I take it you still have your Valk? I ride a 97 and recently purchased a new 2014 and can't imagine riding anything else! The 2018 and 2019 wings really peak my interest though. I think they should do a 25th year anniversary Valkyrie w a 6th gear! ;-) ...great post btw
Maybe the Honda chassis can't take anymore HP they are all designed with that in mind perhaps. To much and you lose control. I have a 2007 beemer k1200lt very comfortable machine leaves HD in the dust but expensive for maintenance and parts now getting scarce. Dealerships are few where as Honda are like McDonalds there everywhere. So lots to think about when choosing your ride.
Greg Curran Agreed . It’s about the RIDE ! K1600B Is a DREAM to ride compared to the Wing 😁 It’s true ... less BMW Dealer network ..... that’s why they have free tow service U.S. CANADA & MEXICO
I had a BMW K1600 prior to my 2018 GoldWing. While the Wing isn't perfect, I have never owned a motorcycle with as many electrical glitches as the BMW. It would come back from the shop with all new, unrelated issues. I barely made it to 1,000 miles before I had to get rid of it. When I took it to get the defective cruise control fixed the dealership couldn't even get it to start! That was the day I got rid of it for the new Wing. I actually liked the BMW more in many ways, but if it's not reliable it's not worth owning.
I owned the 2012 GTL and had very few problems with it. Most of my electrical "issues" were easily fixed with just computer firmware updates. They never cost me a dime and never left me stranded.
I do not not about the K1600 electrics but a lot of BMW's ( cars and bikes ) electrics are contracted out to companies in Romania etc. Cheaper labor and keep the retail the same so more profit but less quality. On that alone.....I would 100% go with the Wing.
@@keveshannaidoo5670 Nope, designed and manufactured in Germany, partly in Berlin, partly in Munich. There are lots of good videos on the manufacturing process of the BMW motorcycle assembly in Spandau, Berlin
BMW isn't the bike to own out of warranty. Their cars either. It's the one failing of motojournalism: They don't go over maintenance costs and problems down the road. The K bike had teething problems the first 2-3 years. Pass. Then there is the 18K mile service. If it needs tires and a valve adjustment, better come with some real money to the dealer.
This is probably the one of the best motorcycle videos on RUclips. I can watch a ton of videos of pro racers on 100K ducatis lapping race tracks, but, this was more entertaining. Well done.
You know, people are SUPPOSED to become MORE mature with age. It's great to see you two buck the trend. This made the Multistrada/XR video seem rather grown-up in comparison. Good stuff!
This is one of the best comparisons I have seen. The only thing that would have improved it would be to have had a passenger on the non-track portion switch between the bikes an offer passenger opinions. I test rode both bikes this summer (and the GTL and new Venture) as possible successors to my current K1200LT, but my wife found the Wing seat very uncomfortable and the grab handles unusable. The armrests and floorboards did not even come close to offsetting the lack of seat comfort and useable grab handles. In the end, we decided to keep the LT for a few more years as neither bike was an improvement over it in overall comfort for both rider and passenger. The performance of these bikes is a huge improvement, but the reality is that the old K1200LT still has more than adequate performance for a touring bike. I still think that both BMW and Honda need to focus more on the passenger, but maybe most of their customers are now solo riders. The new Wing seems oriented to the solo rider with the small case capacity and more meager passenger accommodations as compared to prior Wings.
Josh Bobst Our 2007 LT is very comfortable, just getting a little long in the tooth. Most likely will replace it with a GA when the time comes. The new Wing just falls short in too many important ways, such as range, luggage capacity and comfort.
Thats an interesting review from your wife. Mine hated the seat on the KGTL, it was so wide she couldn't touch the pegs. She is only 1.5 tall and 50kgs The GT was better and as someone who loves to attack corners during my 180k trip to work the K16GT is now the daily commuter. I did think though that the Wing would be the tourer pillions favourite. Never can tell, and everyone is built differently.
We can't disagree with you there. Seems like Honda is just trying to appeal to a younger crowd. I don't quite see why they can't do that with a different model or a different version of the Wing; BMW seems to be doing something like that with all their different versions of the K1600. Maybe to get the Honda standard of reliability requires only having one or two iterations of a given paradigm.
Bob Jones Much will depend on each person to be sure. My wife is 5’9” so nearly a foot taller than your wife. And we are talking GA seat here, not GTL. They aren’t the same seat. The GTL seat is far too tall for my wife, whereas the GA is much lower, more like our LT.
One of the funniest and most objective reviews I've seen. The last bit around Luna.. I was laughing my head off. Honda would do well to recruit you for their adverts. Great watch.
Gents, I was leaning with you all the way through those bends at Laguna. Not real fair on the Honda because it's limited to 113mph and I am super surprised that no-one on any test or review has mentioned this yet. Currently I own a 2018 Goldwing DCT and have racked up some 35,ooo miles on it. Prior bike was the BMW 1600 GTL. Probably had around 13,000 miles seat time. I couldn't test the DCT but bought one on the say so of a good friend at Honda R&D. Motorcycle Division. What no one seems to dwell on is that the Goldwing's fit and finish is superb ,the handling is way better than my old 1500 Goldwing which flexed doing slow maneuvers around tight apex's. Here's my 2 cents worth. The DCT is so smooth and I am eternally grateful for no longer being pounded in the back of the head by my passenger everytime I get on it,. I live in Long Beach, CA and traffic is always horrendous here but I split lanes between Carpool and No.1 lane and spend an exuberant amount of time thanking courteous drivers who skim the central medium to let me pass. It's a luxury I can afford since my hands are not clutching like crazy up and down gears. I love showing off with my one handed pull aways from the line with my left hand reassuringly feeling up the knee of my passenger. I recently raced an Aprilia through down the 710 S and through the bends around shore line Drive. When we pulled up at the light together after he had had a good 800 ft lead on me , he looked, smiled and said " F*#@ Me, that thing is fast....I smiled back and said yeah and I'm old. There's one other thing you can't beat the DCT on and that is dropping the bike hard on a from stop left turn junction. Because you are not risking getting your toes ripped off by the asphalt as you go for the second gear upshift. I'm already in third gear and long gone before they even appear in my mirrors. The other thing bad on the Beemer is resale. I was lucky to find a buyer willing to give my half what I paid for my new looking low milage rocket ship. Try buying a 2018 Goldwing for $12,000 ....Again not mentioned in the tests. The bad points for the Honda. Luggage Space is minimal compared to the Beemer and sometimes in the heat the electronic latch releases don't always work. The fuel tank is not going to get you 200 miles if you are hard on it, you'll be lucky to get much more than 38.5 miles to the gallon. the seat is ripping after 35K mileage and I'm around 190lbs and 5'10" (Not that fatter bastard you could fit in my Belly!) Few last things and this is important.... if your bike is your primary transportation or not even. BMW will give you a loner bike whilst yours is being serviced. Nobody else does and they should when you are paying Mercedes money for the Goldwing . I don't want to have to sit at the dealer all day and having to have someone ferry me down to the dealer and then to work and later back to the dealer is a pain in the arse. The DCT eats brakes for lunch...Every 12,000 miles approx. They are not cheap at $190 for the front 2 sets. Tires, Not much choice. though there are a few more than when I bought mine. Lose the stock ones. California rain grooves in the freeway are not appealing to the single rib running down the stock tire. See if you can't get the dealer to put you some Bridgestone Exhedra's skins on it when you buy it. You will thank me for that tid bit of info later. That aside ..... I love the Honda, though I am concerned that they are halting production on it. Paul R. Long Beach , CA
I traded in my Harley Road Glide CVO for the 2018 Honda Gold Wing. Based on your video I can see the BWM is a good running machine and the Gold Wing is a smooth comfortable ride. The Harley's can't compete with these bikes for handling and low maintenance. I had looked at the BMW before buying the Wing and after talking to a number of owners including the local police department, it seems like parts availability and maintenance on the BMW's is a problem. The low center of gravity on the Gold Wing makes it a great riding machine in the curves. Thanks for a great video, the race track looks like a blast!
All your videos are good but this was one of my favorites. Was tired after a pretty rough day at work and you guys had me laughing all the way through the video. Neither bike would ever be on my list no matter what age as I just prefer smaller, lighter bikes and less gadgets (and I'm a high tech professional, go figure). Just like my bikes simple. That said I would lean toward the Goldwing as it's a bit more sleek even though it weighs more.
Here, in Australia, I have a friend who operates a motorcycle rescue service. The most common bike brand he rescues is late model Harley Davidsons.... closely followed by BMW (in particular, the 1600 series) ....then followed by Ducati. He has never had to rescue a Gold Wing (..and there are a lot of them in Australia.) The most common failure of the top three - electrical and/or computer issues. He recently rescued a K1600, that had died on the day after it was purchased. It had only traveled 310 klms (193 miles).
Exactly! My former boss rode a BMW. It was always in the shop, getting something repaired. It stranded him twice, last time the final drive blew up (very expensive repair) 500 miles from home.
almost bought a used bmw1100rt some 25 years ago. smoothest best handling i've ever ridden. rode a k model too but the cg was too high. this goldwing is beautiful. thanks for the review. you guys are fun to watch.
@@exothermal.sprocket I'm not sure it was meant derogatory. At least that's not how I read it. At any rate, you can definitely tell these are good friends irl.
@@PragmaticTornado It wasn't specified what was meant. I have to take it at face value. Bro (brother) 'mance (romance). Brother-romance. That is homosexual in reference if there was ever any homosexual reference.
@@exothermal.sprocket What's great about humans is that we all have different opinions and thought processes. I actually never considered the term bromance as homosexual, but to each their own :)
@@exothermal.sprocket A bromance is a close but non-sexual relationship between two or more men. It is an exceptionally tight affectional, homosocial male bonding relationship exceeding that of usual friendship, and is distinguished by a particularly high level of emotional intimacy. Actually Bromance came from "Bro" and "Romanticize", Bro is short for brother but has taken on it's own separate meaning, a Bro is closer than a best friend, or maybe even a brother. Your brother could be your Bro, but not all Bros are brothers, or all brothers Bros. The second part came from Cali skate culture where Bros would come and go, and the term actually started as "Bromanticize" and it was a term for skaters and surfers to use to describe a guy who wouldn't shut up about a Bro.. "Yo, remember Derik? That dude was sick! His moves were so clean, such a great skater and top notch dude! He was the heckin best!" "Dude, stop Bromanticizing, he was a dick. He also owes me a crisp 20! If you see Derik tell him I want my 20 and my shirt back man!" It then turned into "Bromance" but in the same way Bro doesn't = Brother, Bromance doesn't = Romance or sexuality. Besides Romance on it's own isn't strictly sexual, the word romance can also mean non amorous or intimate, nonsexual, you can have a romantic dinner with your mom on mothers day. It just means a close, intimate setting or situation in which you understand and share feelings. Modern society has just warped the word to immediately mean sexual, or amorous intimacy. So basically Bromance means close friends, who share a deep trust and understanding and care about each others wellbeing and emotional states. It takes a lot of trust to get on the back of a bike while your friend does a wheelie and whips around corners sliding the frame at 90mph. It takes emotional understanding to respect your friend enough to give them a bit of excitement but not go so far as to actually scare them or damage their trust or hurt them. It takes a good friend to have fun competitive games with and be able to joke about it, knowing they understand and won't get offended or over competitive to the point of doing something dangerous. These guys have a pretty amazing Bromance. One I'd be proud to have someday, but honestly I don't trust anyone that much. I'd never let someone drive me on a bike like that lol no thanks.
OH MY GOODNESS ... That is one of the best if not THE best live testing of bikes I have ever seen, it was brilliant. Two of the maddest asses I have seen two up on a speed test on the track I was almost as excited as the guys on the bike. I was laughing and shouting at the screen and I was thankful when the test ended it was great. The talk through the two bikes were very informative with no sales bull just straight facts I loved it all. Thank you chaps very much for that you made an old guy from across the pond very happy. I'm still riding but down through the cc's now due to my age and on a BMW F800gt. Best of everything to you both. Dc
I love the BMWs, but I just couldn't afford one. Besides, my 97 Goldwing 1500SE will never (ever) die. I look after it and honestly it may not ride as nice as the new ones, but it rides pretty much the same after 20 years of reliable service. I've tried out the new Wings and while I truly lust after them, it's hard to lay down 40 large (in Canada) for a machine that isn't really $30K better than the one I have. Maybe someday.
Brilliant vid. I tried out a K1600B the other day and the thing that struck me was how lairy the engine is, proper pops and crackles from the exhaust and how quickly you could go without taking it above 4-5k RPM.
I test rode the K1600 and was super impressed by that motor, and the ABS and stability control. It actually works on the BMW. That motor, is a monster, and, I went with the Bimmer..The Honda is great as well..smooth, comfortable. Great time we're living in...
I have 2021 Goldwing DCT. I also tested the BMW bagger after riding the DCT. I have been riding for 55 years. I love the Beemer but significantly struggled to ride it (remembering to pull the clutch at stops). I was relieved to get back on the wing. Beemer is also a great bike. A real looker, speed demon.
That was awesome at Laguna Seca! I’ve seen many sports car races there and driven the track - but never ridden! The corkscrew on the back of a racing-tourer must be NUTZ!! ✊🏻✊🏽🏁
Currently ride a 08 Goldwing and a Victory Cross Country Tour. Was considering the new Wing but demoed the new Indian Challenger at Daytona Bike Week and fell in love! Now I’m thinking of holding off until Indian offers the tour model. Then I’ll decide between the Indian and the Honda. Let’s get rid of the Coronavirus now!👍🏻
Great episode. I would have like to hear about the difference in the headlights too. You rode at night so there is bound to be some idea on how they light up the road and how bright they were.
The lights on my 2008 GL1800 were infinitely superior to my 2014 K1600GT. I crashed the K1600GT at night because the lighting was crap. To be fair, I spent a fair bit of time adjusting my GL to get the lights the way I wanted them and the BMW was still showroom new. The adaptive headlight never really impressed me, possibly because it lit up everything but the road where I was going to be.
@@stevek8829 I'm sorry, you were there? You remember the lights on my Goldwing? According to police, 3 to 4 people daily crash over that median. More light would definitely come in handy.
I made the suggestion years ago about having a "Touring" class for racing, where you had to ride two--up. This video proves how ridiculously entertaining it would be. There's a battle of the baggers - or some such thing right now, so it shouldn't be too big of a leap to do it two-up.
That was so much fun to watch, I almost forgot that it was supposed to be a motorcycle review. I was laughing my ass off the entire time for the racetrack segment! Really informative as well. Great as always!!
That was superb. I actually test rode both of these bikes this week with a certain Scotsman you know, and we loved them both. A lot. This video and comparison were excellent. Thank you.
I have had both of these and I pick the Goldwing. I haven't ridden the 2018, but the last version was great and I bet this new one is even better. Oh, and he called these luxury liners, but they ride like sport bikes in everyday street conditions... in REAL USAGE street conditions, the Goldwing handles a little better in traffic and TONS better out on the highway .. in my opinion. I don't think either are track bikes and if you push them too hard into a turn you better expect trouble. They are both powerful and smooth !! … The passenger space on the Goldwing is larger but that means she gets a little more wind because the envelope created by the windshield collapses right at the passenger zone at high speeds. The BMW passenger is close enough to the driver that she is better shielded. The storage room on the Goldwing is HANDS DOWN better and larger.
Hilarious and brilliant episode! I'm in Afghan and watching this tonight really lifted my spirits and gave me a good laugh. Great stuff lads, thanks 😂👍
Honda Goldwing all day.... My high mileage GL1800 is 18 years old and never asked for any major repairs. All I literally have done is regular maintenance, such as oil, tires, filters and brakes. A owned many motorcycles, and currently own 5 different bikes. But my Goldwing is a keeper and the it's definitely the most bullet proof bike I ever owned. Very hard for other brands in the same class to match the reliability, comfort e maneuverability of the Goldwing. Which in my personal opinion the most important features to consider.
You mentioned the Honda double wishbone . The BM also has a special front end ...Duolever, no sliding forks. It’s utterly brilliant. No brake dive and improved safety
I cant believe how entertained i was. This was fun watching, i could only imagine how fun it was to make this the video. But; after reviewing both bikes... im still undecided. Both are great. (Slightly leaning towards the Honda tho)
Thank you guys so much. I love your videos. You are really enjoyable to watch, funny without being cheesy and give loads of good info. Thanks and keep doing what you do.
I'm on my third Wing, a 2015 F6B. I'd never consider a BMW...until this fair, fun and honest video! Thanks for making it and I subscribed because it was that freaking good! Semper Ride, Gunny J. OUT!
Fun, I enjoyed it but I would have greatly appreciated knowing the typical maintenance and repair cost comparison. I sold my K1200 LT after a dealer charged me over $200 to change the oil and filter. I then bought a Goldwing. The GL1800 is definitely easier to maneuver despite its heavier weight because of its lower centre of gravity, but I understand the K1600 has made a definite improvement with its lower seat height (compared to the K1200). I also liked the automatic pannier locks, electric windshield and hydraulically operated centrestand on the Beemer, all great, well appreciated (and missed) features.
I do need to correct you on one thing. Two full face helmets will indeed fit in the top case on the goldwing. It just takes a bit of puzzle like positioning
Full disclosure: I own a 2018 Goldwing Tour DCT and have never ridden a BMW of any kind. After watching the video I would still choose the Goldwing over the K1600. Some good testing but some glaring flaws; The riders never switch out. The video becomes more of him vs. me rather than bike vs. bike. - They call out where their range is toward the end of their projected range but never say how much further the K1600 would have gone after the Goldwing runs out of gas. They couldn't because they didn't ride out the tank on the K1600. For me, the range difference when they called it out near the end of the range test was not a deal-killer. - They never compared the displays and the tech differences. The display, the Apple Car Play integration (Android Auto coming when licensing gets worked out), and the controls (dedicated Digital Assistant button, for example) all played an important part in my decision process. I have some nits about the tech, but the tech and the display are important to me. - Where did the handlebar on the K1600 come from? An old Cushman scooter? That, and that humpback whale of a gas tank just kills it's attractiveness for me. - Are the handlebars isolated from the road bumps on the K1600? I don't know. The suspension on the front wheel of the Goldwing allows the front wheel to bounce almost directly vertical instead of along the rake angle and this goes a long way in smoothing the ride. That and the front suspension is linked to the handlebars and so the road vibration isn't transmitted to your hands. None of this is covered in the video. - The K1600 clearly has more horsepower but, again, not a deal killer for me since what the Goldwing has, a notch just below 100 horsepower, is enough to accelerate out from under me on my DCT model in Sport Mode. That flat-six engine is a marvel of engineering. It provides the bike with a very low center of gravity. The bike will stay balanced right up to the moment of no more forward motion at a stop. No mention of the kind of engine the K1600 has and it's hard to tell for sure by its pictures but I'm thinking it's a V-Twin. Higher center of gravity. More vibration than a six cylinder. I've owned several touring Harleys and Indians and once I experienced the flat-six on a Goldwing I'll never go back to a V-Twin. If I'm right about the V-Twin, I would think mentioning that huge design difference in the video would have been important. Instead, the two bikes are presented as being about the same when only seen looking similar in the wide shots. - Finally, did they choose the manual shift Goldwing because the K1600 only comes as a manual shift? I don't know if the K1600 doesn't have a DCT option but I'm betting that it doesn't. Again, a big difference in the comparison that should have been mentioned. I went for the DCT after seeing so many RUclips videos where riders who had never ridden a DCT model tried it and loved it. So, I went for DCT and it took me a couple of days to make sure I made the right decision and I became sure after riding in a group where the leader pushed the curves. I found myself staying on him no matter what he did. The DCT was making the right decisions faster than I could have done it with a manual transmission. However, I know one guy who has a DCT Goldwing and he had the optional toe shifter installed and he rides it in manual mode using the toe shifter. Still no clutch handle, but he likes the manual control of the DCT. The DCT has shift paddles on the left handlebar if you want to manually override the automatic shifting. I used it for the first time yesterday when I needed to gear down immediately and roll the throttle to pass. The DCT will gear down for you if you roll the throttle dramatically but it'll take a microsecond longer than if you just rolled the throttle and thumbed the downshift paddle at the same time. The DCT model has walking speed both in Reverse and Forward using the engine. The manual shift Goldwing only has walking Reverse using an electric motor. - The manual shift Goldwing has six forward gears but the DCT has 7 forward gears. The top gear in both is the same. Just finer ranges that better take advantage of the torque curve. Wait, what torque curve? The flat six develops full torque early and maintains it. Anyway, assuming I'm correct about the V-Twin, I wouldn't even consider the K1600. But, I think BMW engineering is on par with Honda engineering. Both are world class. Now, to be clear, the new Goldwing is not perfect. Most 2018 Goldwing riders have a whole list of things that need to be changed. But, that's a story for another time.
I have been looking at both bikes and this is the first review I have seen. I was able to demo the Grand America and put on 400 miles. That is a very nice riding bike and more power than you can imagine. I cannot wait to demo the new wing. Great review, thanks!
Here are the results, I did a demo on the new Honda Gold Wing... I traded my 2014 Harley Davidson Electra Glide Ultra for the Honda Gold Wing. I really enjoyed both the BMW 1600B and the Honda Gold Wing, but for my riding style I went with the Honda. If you are looking for a daily rider / long haul weekender, the Honda is the way to go. Also, the maintenance is cheaper.
One thing that was not mentioned when talking about gas tank size and range, the Goldwing runs on 87 vs 91 octane for the BMW. That's a big plus for the Honda.
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Just watching the 2-up laps made me nervous, I couldn’t imagine sitting on back during that. Balls of steel gents, we’ll done and I’m glad you both made it out alive.
i went to a race there when i was a kid and they did 2up hot laps on race bikes before the race it was insane!
@@Clones2011 I did a 2 up lap after crashing my bike, sitting on the back of someone's race fairing. Not comfy!
I currently ride a '15 BMW r1200RT, but after riding the 1600 Beemer I have decided to go with a '21 GW DCT model. My ratioinale: back up assist gear, and also a lower CG. I am only 5'8" and 145 lbs, so the reverse gear, at my age (68) is now a necessity. I think BOTH of these bikes are fabulous, but the Honda is simply a better choice for me at this time in my riding life. THANKS for such a wonderful video !!
The most impressive part of the test is the microphones!
Jake the toecutter!
@@gooondie Remember..the night rider.
Who could forget Mad Max.
Does anybody know what types of devices that they are using?
Billy Orr I came here looking for that answer. Great quality and noise canceling.
I have had my K1600 B (for bagger) Grand America a week and put 1K miles on it. I looked at the Honda, but was so happy with my ‘06 1200RT Boxer that I stayed with BMW. I also had a “flying brick” K1200 LT before that! This is my best, unnecessary, extravagant, most outrageous motorcycle purchase yet. It’s so much more than the review suggests. The electric windscreen, side vents, keyless start, central locking, alarm, Bluetooth, Sirius, electric Reverse, the auto up/down shift feature (like paddles), the “on the fly” dynamic/road/rain suspension and traction control, the ABS Pro brakes that take lean angle into account (!), the Zenon angel eyes adaptive headlight, the road/Fog lights, all LED tail stop and directional, .... tire pressure monitor.... engine guard/floorboards... mine has every option but the forged wheels. I ride daily, year round in NV. It’s just an incredible bike; I prefer it to the GTL, as the rear passenger height is 3” lower, because the bagger rear is redesigned. About 39-41 mpg running “hard” on interstate and city combined. I’m a happy owner! 741 lbs dry. Just buy one. 😎
The fact that these new tour bikes are so capable that they inspire a track lap says a lot about how good this segment has become!
Track capable? As compared to what ? Diffinently not capable compared to a track bike like a Yamaha R1.
@@MrGreenelight nope I said the bikes have become capable in general to the point that people are even considering a lap for fun..
@@TakeTimeToRide Ok, Cool,
I am a biker myself , probably for life.
I realize how my taste has changed from a dirt bike at 15, to a street bike, then sport bike to now I like the scooters.
Mabye I will get to the big highway cruiser bikes next, but right now my need for speed is gone, but I still feel the need to ride. It is therupudic for me. ( excuse my spelling)
It's still the Goldwing all day ever day for me. That comfort and the incredible flat six torque curve just can't be beaten.
Can't wait, *sales person slaps the saddle bags* this baby can store so many geckos!
😂
Frackin memers lol
BadgerCo-Op I don’t understand, why can’t a normal mechanic just do it for less? Do you really need the annual service? Can’t you do much of it yourself?
Like if you get a second hand BMW for example.
BadgerCo-Op wow that sounds like a real nuisance. So you could buy a second hand one for £7k but then have to get it serviced for £1k each year? Goofy
-What's a litre anyway
‐1000 mil
Lmao
Honestly guys, you are by far the best motorcycles related channel on youtube, these videos are so much fun.
These guys are amazing. The chemistry, the madness :) Loved this episode.... one of the best motorcycling shows. The humor... guys, just keep doing and enjoying this... Thumbs up!
You two really are the Top Gear of motorcycles
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Having owned both of these bikes... your comments and conclusions are *exactly* what mine are.
I put 45,000 miles on my 2013 Honda F6B and I miss it sorely. I drove it like a sport bike, though, and blew the transmission twice... both times repaired under warranty. I figured whether it was me or the bike causing the breakage, it probably wasn't the best fit for how I ride so I traded for the K1600 GTL.
Now with 9,000 miles on my 2016 K1600 GTL the performance and handling are unquestionably better than the F6B. I love this bike dearly and any enthusiast who hasn't ridden one is missing out on a great motorcycling experience. With that said... the "grace" and stability of the Goldwing F6B still calls to me; a legendary bike indeed.
Wow so cool,I too owned f6b and loved it.I then bought 2019 goldwing nontour and it was nice bike but just couldn't get excited bout it.So I sold it and purchased k1600b and what a motorcycle.! Anyone who rode sport bikes in younger days need ride k1600b .Power ,luxury this motorcycle is amazing. No clutch lifts front wheel in first two gears ,no other baggers doing that! Funfun comfortable
Did the BMW do a better job of withstanding your kind of driving? Is the BMW more reliable?
@@jamesspencer406 Idk how it happened but I launched from a red light once and got the front tire literally 3 or 4 feet in the air 😆 As you'd know, DTC usually steps in to keep the front wheel down, I guess I caught it sleeping 🤣
That's awesome
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior Yes 😀 I have 50k miles on the K1600 now and so far so good. I'm very happy with it!
On Two Wheels is by far my favorite thing on RUclips. Funny, informative, creative, and you two, Zack and Ari, are absolutely perfect for the job (videographers, photographers, and editors are awesome too, lest you be forgotten...). The whole thing just has the right feel to it; it’s a little like top gear, but more kind-hearted, and you guys always look like you’re having a blast. To top it off, both of you are excellent riders (and racers)... the reviews are so much more interesting than just numbers and features lists. A shame that there doesn’t seem to be the budget to have longer episodes like this on a weekly (or bi-weekly, I don’t know how much time it takes to produce an episode, but guessing it’s not a quick process) basis.
Anyhoo, keep up the good work!
It's a China bike
Absolutely one of the best motorcycle test videos ever. This actually is closer to my riding style than any test (print or video) that I have seen. I'm retired now and I think riding on the back for a lap of LS would kill me. Think of what it must be like behind Randy Mamola. For the record I traded in my FJR 1300 for a R1200RT (WC). I liked both bikes immensely.
You guys made my morning so lovely, especially in this Corona time
The 2 up lap was one of the funniest and best things I've seen in a long time You guys should do a 2 up lap with all your reviews
Great banter, great bikes, great scenery, great roads, great fun - thanks, guys!
I'm still undecided, however..... More, please 👍
I shopped both these bikes, and test rode both the 18 Wing and the K1600B since there were no Grand America's available for test rides. Having been a Honda guy since the 70's, the last 20 years touring on a 99 Valkyrie, I wanted to love the Wing, but after experiencing the BMW's inline 6 at full honk, ripping off 8000 rpm clutchless upshifts with the optional Shift Assist Pro, it was all over. The Wing was very nice, but I was disappointed that after completely redesigning the motor, suspension, etc., Honda didn't significantly increase the power. If the Wing's redesign was supposed to be sportier and attract the next (younger) generation, more power should have been added. I'm 60 (legally old enough to buy a Wing;) and I still love horsepower! 160hp vs, 125hp is a damn big difference. I too was leery of the Beemers potential maintenance costs and sparse dealer network, especially since my Honda's have been so reliable. In the end, I went with a BMW K1600 GTL after getting $3500 in factory rebates, which brought the price down to what I would have paid for the Wing, $1000 less then the GA would have cost. I decided low maintenance costs and reliability weren't my most important criteria, that's for choosing home appliances, it's how I feel when I climb on and ride that's most important. I'm betting that, in the long run, the reliability and dealer network issues won't be so significant that I will have any regrets about choosing the BMW. IMHO, the Beemer's better suited for carving up mountain roads, the Honda at eating miles on the slab. Either way, there both great bikes for their intended purpose, buy the one you want and enjoy!
Now THIS is a great review and most appreciated for the insight!
I take it you still have your Valk? I ride a 97 and recently purchased a new 2014 and can't imagine riding anything else! The 2018 and 2019 wings really peak my interest though. I think they should do a 25th year anniversary Valkyrie w a 6th gear! ;-) ...great post btw
Maybe the Honda chassis can't take anymore HP they are all designed with that in mind perhaps. To much and you lose control. I have a 2007 beemer k1200lt very comfortable machine leaves HD in the dust but expensive for maintenance and parts now getting scarce. Dealerships are few where as Honda are like McDonalds there everywhere. So lots to think about when choosing your ride.
Greg Curran Agreed . It’s about the RIDE ! K1600B Is a DREAM to ride compared to the Wing 😁 It’s true ... less BMW Dealer network ..... that’s why they have free tow service U.S. CANADA & MEXICO
i;m 21 and i want to buy a goldwing
Best episode in a while! I'm not in the market for either of these bikes and thoroughly enjoyed this. Great job!
almost no one is buddy
@@dias17se wow
40 Years biking and never been on the back of a bike. Never will be. Really enjoyed this video. Thank you.
I had a BMW K1600 prior to my 2018 GoldWing. While the Wing isn't perfect, I have never owned a motorcycle with as many electrical glitches as the BMW. It would come back from the shop with all new, unrelated issues. I barely made it to 1,000 miles before I had to get rid of it. When I took it to get the defective cruise control fixed the dealership couldn't even get it to start! That was the day I got rid of it for the new Wing. I actually liked the BMW more in many ways, but if it's not reliable it's not worth owning.
I owned the 2012 GTL and had very few problems with it. Most of my electrical "issues" were easily fixed with just computer firmware updates. They never cost me a dime and never left me stranded.
I do not not about the K1600 electrics but a lot of BMW's ( cars and bikes ) electrics are contracted out to companies in Romania etc. Cheaper labor and keep the retail the same so more profit but less quality. On that alone.....I would 100% go with the Wing.
what a fun, innovative and blast of a test. Thanks Ari and Zack.
This channel is getting better and better
That was amazing! The absolute best testing I've ever seen! Two around Laguna Seca, you couldn't pay me enough to be the passenger.
27:30 long video, was hesitant to watch the whole thing. After the fact I wish it was a full hour now. Great watch!
The engine of the k1600 is insane. It transforms the living room on two wheels into a rocket powered living room on two wheels
Chinese engine but
@@keveshannaidoo5670 Nope, designed and manufactured in Germany, partly in Berlin, partly in Munich. There are lots of good videos on the manufacturing process of the BMW motorcycle assembly in Spandau, Berlin
@@keveshannaidoo5670 Chinese engine my f*cking ass...
@@keveshannaidoo5670 Spot the internet idiot 🤣
BMW 1600B, two meny transmision and revers problems
One factor that made me chose GoldWing over the K1600 , maintenance costs of the BMW would kill me
In addition, go on a long trip and you're never very far from a Honda dealership. BMW, good luck if repairs are needed.
BMW isn't the bike to own out of warranty. Their cars either. It's the one failing of motojournalism: They don't go over maintenance costs and problems down the road. The K bike had teething problems the first 2-3 years. Pass. Then there is the 18K mile service. If it needs tires and a valve adjustment, better come with some real money to the dealer.
You're calling for ferrari and yet worried about maintaining your bike?
Total BS. BMW owning is no more expensive than a Honda folks, like WTF
My local BMW mechanic did my 6000 mile service for $130 ?
This is probably the one of the best motorcycle videos on RUclips. I can watch a ton of videos of pro racers on 100K ducatis lapping race tracks, but, this was more entertaining. Well done.
You know, people are SUPPOSED to become MORE mature with age. It's great to see you two buck the trend. This made the Multistrada/XR video seem rather grown-up in comparison. Good stuff!
The 2 up challenge had me sweating and i'm just watching it. excellent vid.
Hahaha... I was laughing out loud when you crazy bastards were on the track. One of my favourite video of the series!
Liked the review so much that I bought both bikes, just couldn’t decide
@@carver04
Send me the one you like less ;)
This has got to be one of the best and most entertaining side by side reviews I’ve seen.
This was an amazing episode. More like this please!
How people measure luggage capacity
Everybody: Liters
American: geckos
This is one of the best comparisons I have seen. The only thing that would have improved it would be to have had a passenger on the non-track portion switch between the bikes an offer passenger opinions. I test rode both bikes this summer (and the GTL and new Venture) as possible successors to my current K1200LT, but my wife found the Wing seat very uncomfortable and the grab handles unusable. The armrests and floorboards did not even come close to offsetting the lack of seat comfort and useable grab handles.
In the end, we decided to keep the LT for a few more years as neither bike was an improvement over it in overall comfort for both rider and passenger. The performance of these bikes is a huge improvement, but the reality is that the old K1200LT still has more than adequate performance for a touring bike. I still think that both BMW and Honda need to focus more on the passenger, but maybe most of their customers are now solo riders. The new Wing seems oriented to the solo rider with the small case capacity and more meager passenger accommodations as compared to prior Wings.
You and your wife should try out a '17 Wing. Looks like there will never be a more comfortable passenger perch.
Josh Bobst Our 2007 LT is very comfortable, just getting a little long in the tooth. Most likely will replace it with a GA when the time comes. The new Wing just falls short in too many important ways, such as range, luggage capacity and comfort.
Thats an interesting review from your wife. Mine hated the seat on the KGTL, it was so wide she couldn't touch the pegs. She is only 1.5 tall and 50kgs The GT was better and as someone who loves to attack corners during my 180k trip to work the K16GT is now the daily commuter. I did think though that the Wing would be the tourer pillions favourite. Never can tell, and everyone is built differently.
We can't disagree with you there. Seems like Honda is just trying to appeal to a younger crowd. I don't quite see why they can't do that with a different model or a different version of the Wing; BMW seems to be doing something like that with all their different versions of the K1600. Maybe to get the Honda standard of reliability requires only having one or two iterations of a given paradigm.
Bob Jones Much will depend on each person to be sure. My wife is 5’9” so nearly a foot taller than your wife. And we are talking GA seat here, not GTL. They aren’t the same seat. The GTL seat is far too tall for my wife, whereas the GA is much lower, more like our LT.
One of the funniest and most objective reviews I've seen. The last bit around Luna.. I was laughing my head off. Honda would do well to recruit you for their adverts. Great watch.
Zach and Ari, you two continue to impress the hell out of me. This is superb "work", thanks guys.
Gents, I was leaning with you all the way through those bends at Laguna. Not real fair on the Honda because it's limited to 113mph and I am super surprised that no-one on any test or review has mentioned this yet. Currently I own a 2018 Goldwing DCT and have racked up some 35,ooo miles on it. Prior bike was the BMW 1600 GTL. Probably had around 13,000 miles seat time. I couldn't test the DCT but bought one on the say so of a good friend at Honda R&D. Motorcycle Division.
What no one seems to dwell on is that the Goldwing's fit and finish is superb ,the handling is way better than my old 1500 Goldwing which flexed doing slow maneuvers around tight apex's. Here's my 2 cents worth. The DCT is so smooth and I am eternally grateful for no longer being pounded in the back of the head by my passenger everytime I get on it,. I live in Long Beach, CA and traffic is always horrendous here but I split lanes between Carpool and No.1 lane and spend an exuberant amount of time thanking courteous drivers who skim the central medium to let me pass. It's a luxury I can afford since my hands are not clutching like crazy up and down gears. I love showing off with my one handed pull aways from the line with my left hand reassuringly feeling up the knee of my passenger. I recently raced an Aprilia through down the 710 S and through the bends around shore line Drive. When we pulled up at the light together after he had had a good 800 ft lead on me , he looked, smiled and said " F*#@ Me, that thing is fast....I smiled back and said yeah and I'm old. There's one other thing you can't beat the DCT on and that is dropping the bike hard on a from stop left turn junction. Because you are not risking getting your toes ripped off by the asphalt as you go for the second gear upshift. I'm already in third gear and long gone before they even appear in my mirrors. The other thing bad on the Beemer is resale. I was lucky to find a buyer willing to give my half what I paid for my new looking low milage rocket ship. Try buying a 2018 Goldwing for $12,000 ....Again not mentioned in the tests.
The bad points for the Honda. Luggage Space is minimal compared to the Beemer and sometimes in the heat the electronic latch releases don't always work. The fuel tank is not going to get you 200 miles if you are hard on it, you'll be lucky to get much more than 38.5 miles to the gallon. the seat is ripping after 35K mileage and I'm around 190lbs and 5'10" (Not that fatter bastard you could fit in my Belly!) Few last things and this is important.... if your bike is your primary transportation or not even. BMW will give you a loner bike whilst yours is being serviced. Nobody else does and they should when you are paying Mercedes money for the Goldwing . I don't want to have to sit at the dealer all day and having to have someone ferry me down to the dealer and then to work and later back to the dealer is a pain in the arse. The DCT eats brakes for lunch...Every 12,000 miles approx. They are not cheap at $190 for the front 2 sets. Tires, Not much choice. though there are a few more than when I bought mine. Lose the stock ones. California rain grooves in the freeway are not appealing to the single rib running down the stock tire. See if you can't get the dealer to put you some Bridgestone Exhedra's skins on it when you buy it. You will thank me for that tid bit of info later.
That aside ..... I love the Honda, though I am concerned that they are halting production on it.
Paul R. Long Beach , CA
Brilliant. I’ve never been interested in tourers before but I really fancy a DCT Wing.
I traded in my Harley Road Glide CVO for the 2018 Honda Gold Wing. Based on your video I can see the BWM is a good running machine and the Gold Wing is a smooth comfortable ride. The Harley's can't compete with these bikes for handling and low maintenance. I had looked at the BMW before buying the Wing and after talking to a number of owners including the local police department, it seems like parts availability and maintenance on the BMW's is a problem. The low center of gravity on the Gold Wing makes it a great riding machine in the curves. Thanks for a great video, the race track looks like a blast!
Low maintenance on a BMW?????? I had a good laugh!
All your videos are good but this was one of my favorites. Was tired after a pretty rough day at work and you guys had me laughing all the way through the video. Neither bike would ever be on my list no matter what age as I just prefer smaller, lighter bikes and less gadgets (and I'm a high tech professional, go figure). Just like my bikes simple. That said I would lean toward the Goldwing as it's a bit more sleek even though it weighs more.
I was surprised to hear the weight difference is only thirty pounds. That's a pretty insignificant share of 800 lbs.
There is even more storage with the BMW GTL. This was one of the most unbiased tests I have ever seen on RUclips. Great video !
lol, just a little "nut-to-butt" laguna riding!
Here, in Australia, I have a friend who operates a motorcycle rescue service. The most common bike brand he rescues is late model Harley Davidsons.... closely followed by BMW (in particular, the 1600 series) ....then followed by Ducati. He has never had to rescue a Gold Wing (..and there are a lot of them in Australia.)
The most common failure of the top three - electrical and/or computer issues.
He recently rescued a K1600, that had died on the day after it was purchased. It had only traveled 310 klms (193 miles).
Exactly! My former boss rode a BMW. It was always in the shop, getting something repaired. It stranded him twice, last time the final drive blew up (very expensive repair) 500 miles from home.
You two clearly have a high level,of trust for each other. Great comparo
almost bought a used bmw1100rt some 25 years ago. smoothest best handling i've ever ridden. rode a k model too but the cg was too high. this goldwing is beautiful. thanks for the review. you guys are fun to watch.
The most bromance ever
Always some gutter comment. Whatever happened to the underused "friends" label?
@@exothermal.sprocket I'm not sure it was meant derogatory. At least that's not how I read it. At any rate, you can definitely tell these are good friends irl.
@@PragmaticTornado It wasn't specified what was meant. I have to take it at face value. Bro (brother) 'mance (romance). Brother-romance. That is homosexual in reference if there was ever any homosexual reference.
@@exothermal.sprocket What's great about humans is that we all have different opinions and thought processes. I actually never considered the term bromance as homosexual, but to each their own :)
@@exothermal.sprocket A bromance is a close but non-sexual relationship between two or more men. It is an exceptionally tight affectional, homosocial male bonding relationship exceeding that of usual friendship, and is distinguished by a particularly high level of emotional intimacy.
Actually Bromance came from "Bro" and "Romanticize", Bro is short for brother but has taken on it's own separate meaning, a Bro is closer than a best friend, or maybe even a brother. Your brother could be your Bro, but not all Bros are brothers, or all brothers Bros. The second part came from Cali skate culture where Bros would come and go, and the term actually started as "Bromanticize" and it was a term for skaters and surfers to use to describe a guy who wouldn't shut up about a Bro.. "Yo, remember Derik? That dude was sick! His moves were so clean, such a great skater and top notch dude! He was the heckin best!" "Dude, stop Bromanticizing, he was a dick. He also owes me a crisp 20! If you see Derik tell him I want my 20 and my shirt back man!"
It then turned into "Bromance" but in the same way Bro doesn't = Brother, Bromance doesn't = Romance or sexuality. Besides Romance on it's own isn't strictly sexual, the word romance can also mean non amorous or intimate, nonsexual, you can have a romantic dinner with your mom on mothers day. It just means a close, intimate setting or situation in which you understand and share feelings. Modern society has just warped the word to immediately mean sexual, or amorous intimacy.
So basically Bromance means close friends, who share a deep trust and understanding and care about each others wellbeing and emotional states. It takes a lot of trust to get on the back of a bike while your friend does a wheelie and whips around corners sliding the frame at 90mph. It takes emotional understanding to respect your friend enough to give them a bit of excitement but not go so far as to actually scare them or damage their trust or hurt them. It takes a good friend to have fun competitive games with and be able to joke about it, knowing they understand and won't get offended or over competitive to the point of doing something dangerous. These guys have a pretty amazing Bromance. One I'd be proud to have someday, but honestly I don't trust anyone that much. I'd never let someone drive me on a bike like that lol no thanks.
Possibly the Best MM episode ever - the geckos and the LS raceway footage capped it for me - Nicely Done!
That was simply one of the best motorcycle vids ever! Lol
You should see the 90s Hayaboobie, ZXR and Blackbird documentary. Those guys are a laugh...
agreed, and i just watch it on 2019, after they gone...
Yo bro love your channel too
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A great, honest and superb video. The best motorcycle comparison test I have seen. Top Gear like , when its at its best
OH MY GOODNESS ... That is one of the best if not THE best live testing of bikes I have ever seen, it was brilliant. Two of the maddest asses I have seen two up on a speed test on the track I was almost as excited as the guys on the bike. I was laughing and shouting at the screen and I was thankful when the test ended it was great. The talk through the two bikes were very informative with no sales bull just straight facts I loved it all. Thank you chaps very much for that you made an old guy from across the pond very happy. I'm still riding but down through the cc's now due to my age and on a BMW F800gt. Best of everything to you both. Dc
That was lovely. On racetrack I had goosebumps over and over. Love it! Thank you 🙏
Great video, you guys were having so much fun and at the same time educating your viewers about these particular bikes, I enjoyed that so much.
I love the BMWs, but I just couldn't afford one. Besides, my 97 Goldwing 1500SE will never (ever) die. I look after it and honestly it may not ride as nice as the new ones, but it rides pretty much the same after 20 years of reliable service. I've tried out the new Wings and while I truly lust after them, it's hard to lay down 40 large (in Canada) for a machine that isn't really $30K better than the one I have. Maybe someday.
This is probably the best one yet. I could have happily watched this for an hour. Great stuff guys ❤️
Brilliant vid. I tried out a K1600B the other day and the thing that struck me was how lairy the engine is, proper pops and crackles from the exhaust and how quickly you could go without taking it above 4-5k RPM.
I test rode the K1600 and was super impressed by that motor, and the ABS and stability control. It actually works on the BMW. That motor, is a monster, and, I went with the Bimmer..The Honda is great as well..smooth, comfortable. Great time we're living in...
My biggest question now is how the Goldwing underbelly and pegs look like after scraping. Would love to see pics!
I have 2021 Goldwing DCT. I also tested the BMW bagger after riding the DCT. I have been riding for 55 years. I love the Beemer but significantly struggled to ride it (remembering to pull the clutch at stops). I was relieved to get back on the wing. Beemer is also a great bike. A real looker, speed demon.
That was awesome at Laguna Seca! I’ve seen many sports car races there and driven the track - but never ridden! The corkscrew on the back of a racing-tourer must be NUTZ!! ✊🏻✊🏽🏁
Best moto content creators on RUclips.
And that two up time trials is unbelievably great.
I hear: "2-up lap time challenge" at 18:56, I smash LIKE!!!! 😁
Currently ride a 08 Goldwing and a Victory Cross Country Tour. Was considering the new Wing but demoed the new Indian Challenger at Daytona Bike Week and fell in love! Now I’m thinking of holding off until Indian offers the tour model. Then I’ll decide between the Indian and the Honda. Let’s get rid of the Coronavirus now!👍🏻
Great episode. I would have like to hear about the difference in the headlights too. You rode at night so there is bound to be some idea on how they light up the road and how bright they were.
I despise these blue headlights that every new thing has. They hurt my eyes, in front of and behind the headlight.
Josh Bobst - I prefer blue over flashing headlights I see on a lot of Wings.
The lights on my 2008 GL1800 were infinitely superior to my 2014 K1600GT. I crashed the K1600GT at night because the lighting was crap. To be fair, I spent a fair bit of time adjusting my GL to get the lights the way I wanted them and the BMW was still showroom new. The adaptive headlight never really impressed me, possibly because it lit up everything but the road where I was going to be.
@@hugebear53 don't blame the lights.
@@stevek8829 I'm sorry, you were there? You remember the lights on my Goldwing? According to police, 3 to 4 people daily crash over that median. More light would definitely come in handy.
I made the suggestion years ago about having a "Touring" class for racing, where you had to ride two--up. This video proves how ridiculously entertaining it would be. There's a battle of the baggers - or some such thing right now, so it shouldn't be too big of a leap to do it two-up.
The track ride was hilarious and amazing. I was hooked and also laughing my @$$ off!! :) THANK YOU!
That was so much fun to watch, I almost forgot that it was supposed to be a motorcycle review. I was laughing my ass off the entire time for the racetrack segment! Really informative as well. Great as always!!
*Pulls out a calculator, conversion tables, for miles and gallons, time to do some math* phew.
Something we don't worry about in the UK as we use both metric and imperial so we're used to it
Everything is converted in the description, as always :)
Just google it
So you know that an imperial gallon does not equal an us gallon.
Malayali aanalle😊
That was superb. I actually test rode both of these bikes this week with a certain Scotsman you know, and we loved them both. A lot. This video and comparison were excellent. Thank you.
I imagine you two guys have your own motorcycle show like top gear, that would be awesome.
I have had both of these and I pick the Goldwing. I haven't ridden the 2018, but the last version was great and I bet this new one is even better. Oh, and he called these luxury liners, but they ride like sport bikes in everyday street conditions... in REAL USAGE street conditions, the Goldwing handles a little better in traffic and TONS better out on the highway .. in my opinion. I don't think either are track bikes and if you push them too hard into a turn you better expect trouble. They are both powerful and smooth !! … The passenger space on the Goldwing is larger but that means she gets a little more wind because the envelope created by the windshield collapses right at the passenger zone at high speeds. The BMW passenger is close enough to the driver that she is better shielded. The storage room on the Goldwing is HANDS DOWN better and larger.
Hilarious and brilliant episode! I'm in Afghan and watching this tonight really lifted my spirits and gave me a good laugh. Great stuff lads, thanks 😂👍
Any bike video I hope lifts your spirits living over there. I hope you made it home by now safe and sound. And ready for the 2020 riding season.
Honda Goldwing all day....
My high mileage GL1800 is 18 years old and never asked for any major repairs. All I literally have done is regular maintenance, such as oil, tires, filters and brakes. A owned many motorcycles, and currently own 5 different bikes. But my Goldwing is a keeper and the it's definitely the most bullet proof bike I ever owned. Very hard for other brands in the same class to match the reliability, comfort e maneuverability of the Goldwing.
Which in my personal opinion the most important features to consider.
appreciate you guys pointed out drinking and riding no good.
Love the random tail light flashing feature on the BMW!
Just watching you on that track terrified me. My hands were sweating for you!
Me too
You mentioned the Honda double wishbone . The BM also has a special front end ...Duolever, no sliding forks. It’s utterly brilliant. No brake dive and improved safety
4:20 I noticed the bmw is humping while the honda was smooth
thats the road, not the bike
@@dextermeth thats the suspension not the road
@@SurrealTouch it isn't though, just look at the video.
just blaze it
I cant believe how entertained i was. This was fun watching, i could only imagine how fun it was to make this the video.
But; after reviewing both bikes... im still undecided. Both are great. (Slightly leaning towards the Honda tho)
“Your turn to shit your leathers.” Hilarious track segment!
Thank you guys so much. I love your videos. You are really enjoyable to watch, funny without being cheesy and give loads of good info. Thanks and keep doing what you do.
I love your videos.keep it up😊😊👌👍
I probably am never going to buy a touring motorcycle but MAN you guys made this video FUN! Great job!
Isn't the K1600 GTL the one to compare to the Gold Wing Tour?
I'm on my third Wing, a 2015 F6B. I'd never consider a BMW...until this fair, fun and honest video! Thanks for making it and I subscribed because it was that freaking good! Semper Ride, Gunny J. OUT!
Awesome review! You guys rock. I definitely have a gold wing in my future I’m thinking f6b though
Fun, I enjoyed it but I would have greatly appreciated knowing the typical maintenance and repair cost comparison. I sold my K1200 LT after a dealer charged me over $200 to change the oil and filter. I then bought a Goldwing. The GL1800 is definitely easier to maneuver despite its heavier weight because of its lower centre of gravity, but I understand the K1600 has made a definite improvement with its lower seat height (compared to the K1200). I also liked the automatic pannier locks, electric windshield and hydraulically operated centrestand on the Beemer, all great, well appreciated (and missed) features.
Shame about the BMW front end design. The bike seems great. Gold Wing looks better, at least the front half.
the front of the BMW looks like an angry bird face to me. I got a pretty good laugh
So, which one is the best?
For me, Goldwing is still the best touring bike.
This is one of the best Moto comparison video I have ever seen..lots of love from India ❤️
I was literally laughing out loud when you guys started the track test. And great German accents BTW.
I do need to correct you on one thing. Two full face helmets will indeed fit in the top case on the goldwing. It just takes a bit of puzzle like positioning
One helmet on it's side and the other one sitting normal fits 2 helmets in my 2018 goldwing trunk.
but not all helmets are created equal.
My 2018 Goldwing woll NOT take one of my Bell "Revolvers" in any position!
Watched this twice, love it. You guys are awesome and made this a joy to watch. Goldwing seem so nice but the BMW looks soooo cool 😎
That was a movie.. a thriller!! Lol. Awesome time spent while watching this!! Hats off to your presentation...
Sold my goldwing last year to buy a K1600. Best thing I ever did
Loved the video. But I'm still a fan of the goldwing! May have a 2019 sitting next to my 2005 soon.
Will I still ride my 1976 gold wing
@@jenniemarquez4384 I ride a 1981 Goldwing. Great machines, those old boxer 4's.
I find it getting harder and harder to find parts.
Truly one of the most incredible episodes created
Full disclosure: I own a 2018 Goldwing Tour DCT and have never ridden a BMW of any kind. After watching the video I would still choose the Goldwing over the K1600. Some good testing but some glaring flaws; The riders never switch out. The video becomes more of him vs. me rather than bike vs. bike. - They call out where their range is toward the end of their projected range but never say how much further the K1600 would have gone after the Goldwing runs out of gas. They couldn't because they didn't ride out the tank on the K1600. For me, the range difference when they called it out near the end of the range test was not a deal-killer. - They never compared the displays and the tech differences. The display, the Apple Car Play integration (Android Auto coming when licensing gets worked out), and the controls (dedicated Digital Assistant button, for example) all played an important part in my decision process. I have some nits about the tech, but the tech and the display are important to me. - Where did the handlebar on the K1600 come from? An old Cushman scooter? That, and that humpback whale of a gas tank just kills it's attractiveness for me. - Are the handlebars isolated from the road bumps on the K1600? I don't know. The suspension on the front wheel of the Goldwing allows the front wheel to bounce almost directly vertical instead of along the rake angle and this goes a long way in smoothing the ride. That and the front suspension is linked to the handlebars and so the road vibration isn't transmitted to your hands. None of this is covered in the video. - The K1600 clearly has more horsepower but, again, not a deal killer for me since what the Goldwing has, a notch just below 100 horsepower, is enough to accelerate out from under me on my DCT model in Sport Mode. That flat-six engine is a marvel of engineering. It provides the bike with a very low center of gravity. The bike will stay balanced right up to the moment of no more forward motion at a stop. No mention of the kind of engine the K1600 has and it's hard to tell for sure by its pictures but I'm thinking it's a V-Twin. Higher center of gravity. More vibration than a six cylinder. I've owned several touring Harleys and Indians and once I experienced the flat-six on a Goldwing I'll never go back to a V-Twin. If I'm right about the V-Twin, I would think mentioning that huge design difference in the video would have been important. Instead, the two bikes are presented as being about the same when only seen looking similar in the wide shots. - Finally, did they choose the manual shift Goldwing because the K1600 only comes as a manual shift? I don't know if the K1600 doesn't have a DCT option but I'm betting that it doesn't. Again, a big difference in the comparison that should have been mentioned. I went for the DCT after seeing so many RUclips videos where riders who had never ridden a DCT model tried it and loved it. So, I went for DCT and it took me a couple of days to make sure I made the right decision and I became sure after riding in a group where the leader pushed the curves. I found myself staying on him no matter what he did. The DCT was making the right decisions faster than I could have done it with a manual transmission. However, I know one guy who has a DCT Goldwing and he had the optional toe shifter installed and he rides it in manual mode using the toe shifter. Still no clutch handle, but he likes the manual control of the DCT. The DCT has shift paddles on the left handlebar if you want to manually override the automatic shifting. I used it for the first time yesterday when I needed to gear down immediately and roll the throttle to pass. The DCT will gear down for you if you roll the throttle dramatically but it'll take a microsecond longer than if you just rolled the throttle and thumbed the downshift paddle at the same time. The DCT model has walking speed both in Reverse and Forward using the engine. The manual shift Goldwing only has walking Reverse using an electric motor. - The manual shift Goldwing has six forward gears but the DCT has 7 forward gears. The top gear in both is the same. Just finer ranges that better take advantage of the torque curve. Wait, what torque curve? The flat six develops full torque early and maintains it. Anyway, assuming I'm correct about the V-Twin, I wouldn't even consider the K1600. But, I think BMW engineering is on par with Honda engineering. Both are world class. Now, to be clear, the new Goldwing is not perfect. Most 2018 Goldwing riders have a whole list of things that need to be changed. But, that's a story for another time.
No, the BMW has a straight 6 also.
Congratulations on being unique. The only motorcyclist on the planet thinking that screaming six could be a v-twin.
why would you have a reply like this when obviously you know nothing about the two bikes!!!!
I have been looking at both bikes and this is the first review I have seen. I was able to demo the Grand America and put on 400 miles. That is a very nice riding bike and more power than you can imagine. I cannot wait to demo the new wing. Great review, thanks!
Here are the results, I did a demo on the new Honda Gold Wing... I traded my 2014 Harley Davidson Electra Glide Ultra for the Honda Gold Wing. I really enjoyed both the BMW 1600B and the Honda Gold Wing, but for my riding style I went with the Honda. If you are looking for a daily rider / long haul weekender, the Honda is the way to go. Also, the maintenance is cheaper.
One thing that was not mentioned when talking about gas tank size and range, the Goldwing runs on 87 vs 91 octane for the BMW. That's a big plus for the Honda.
Sadly if you burn 87 with ethanol in Canada you end up getting water build up in the fuel. You have to use Shell or Esso premium.
jenny diazvigneault Only if you let the fuel sit in the tank for months at a time.
you probably talking about .75 cents a tank.
I can't stop watching these!