@@ИванИгревский Actually Protoss got nerfed many times because they were the most OP in 10 years in PvZ - dominating the Major tournaments. (You can see this on aligulac's balance report page.) That's the level below the Premiere's Lowko was talking about. Balance is based on all tournaments because there's just not enough players for sample data in the Premieres.
The last best-of-5 series of Serral vs Maxpax you uploaded was one of the best I've seen in recent times and maxpax was already playing with this strategy. And that high mobility Stalker+oracle with non stop stasis is beautiful to see.
@@robinspanier7017 lol is this really how the community works? I feel like because protoss units are the strongest, when their units survive and regen shields it's almost exponential how much better a slight boost makes the race.
Background: This is from Serral's stream fRiskying around. Serral called these freebies where he does bad strategies that are fun to watch so his MMR doesn't get too high.
I believe Wardi or Pig said at Dreamhack that Serral has lost two series total since Feb. I assume this is one, i dont know the other, i believe they were counting post-Kato.
i love the idea of delaying oracles vs serral, serral knows the timings so well that he positions himself to deal with it so if you wait, he might be out of position
Not yet, they should be on the same stage at the same time for this. This could still be Serral playing on two machines at the same time trying to outplay himself.
I think MaxPax figured out how to fight Terran, and that's what's cool. It turns out that against Terran, if you aren't ahead you're behind, so keeping them always 1-2 bases behind you makes your late game army actually scale relative to theirs.
I remember when (not too long ago) 80% of finalists were protoss, and everyone else complained about how op protoss was. Then came some balance patches that tipped the balance in favor of terrans, and terran players were going "Wow, is this what it feels like to be protoss?" SC2 is not static.
I still feel like the balance is why pros choose what they choose, maybe even if they don't know it. After playing protoss since broodwar came out, I gave zerg a try recently. What I noticed was despite the units feeling worse, the spellcasters are in a different leauge then protoss. Protoss has aoe damage spell, and aoe damage spell, really centered around keeping the death ball alive in zoning damage. The zerg spellcasters actually feel like they are precise and enhance the army, which helps fast accurate guys like serrals play style. Terran is the opposite of protoss. Protoss uses cheap gateway units to tank for their thin line of power units. Terran uses their power units expendably to enhance their bioball. Set them up, and use heavy fast micro to keep your bio alive while you slow creep your base forward in a heavily entrenched position. It works for the fast guys like byun and clem, and for the guys who are methodical and planning like maru. but then again. the pro scene seems to finally be figuring out how to play protoss. theyre the aggressive race.
Speaking about protoss being UP. In a way, I think they just lack some of the quality of life things that other factions have. Like they cant heal hull hp. (flesh hp i guess for zalots and adepts XD) They don't have something as powerful as creeps or scans for vision. Those things count for a lot in my mind.
as zerg main, aside from the movespeed creep gives, i would much rather have a t1 unit like a phoenix for vision, and with just a t2 unit you can also have infinite vision with a well placed observer for an entire match
Long time (months?) since I didn't watch some StarCraft or your channel. No good reason, just resting a bit on that. Commenting at 2:51 to say that you can do more of the forced smooth Lowko voice anytime. I'd listen to such a voice during my morning coffee too. If I were still drinking coffee, that is (and god how I miss it).
13:57 comment: that first game was insane!! So glad I came back. Also, no thank you for the Mickey Mouse voice. But I did chuckle. And don't worry for missing some of the action. Honestly I missed all these rollbyes. And it's always good that you rollback a bit in these situations.
As a player with minimal experience I feel like a late game upgrade for stalker / adept that gives maybe 15 shields back upon use of their abilities like a sort of blink Regen could possibly make them a little more tanky while also not making them require more skill to use
It was a bit weird in game 1 hearing LowkoTV talk about how serral was outplaying maxpax when the finisher was down to 3 bases versus the four of Protoss but oh well.
Wow! What a series! Series of the Year?!?!? Those status wards in G1 and G3 are the unsung heroes… can MaxPax PLEASE play in an offline tourney…that’s all I’m asking from Santa this year.
Serral is the greatest SC2 player of all time, he's very dominant, especially in ZvT and ZvP. Maxpax taking a series off of him is very impressive. @Lowko: It's okay to root for the underdog!
@@ObeliskM If Serral didn't exist, Zerg would look downright underpowered in the Aligulac ratings and in terms of tournament results. If you check the results for the 10 most recent Major and Premier SC2 tournaments in Liquipedia, 4 were won by Terran, 4 were won by Protoss, and 2 were won by Serral.
I 100% agree that the reason on why protoss doesn't win as many tourneys is because of the players. If you compare serral & maru to any of the current protoss players, they just aren't at the same level (well maxpax is looking very promising). Though toss is for sure in a worse spot balance-wise aswell, zerg has creep, terran has orbitals, & toss has.... nothing as significant as orbitals and creep.
? PvZ has consistently been _Protoss favored_ for a long time at tournament level, and aligulac proves this. Lowko was referencing Premiere tournaments only, which obviously doesn't provide enough data for balance, because as he said they are a very small number of players. The balance is now close to 50% so in a very good spot, although still slightly Protoss favored.
It's interesting to contrast these "Protoss doesn't win" type impressions with Aligulac's balance stats. According to Aligulac, between January 2021 and today there's been only one month where PvZ hasn't been in Protoss' favour, and PvZ has consistently been the matchup with the most imbalanced winrates. TvZ has generally favoured Terran, but it's been much less unfavourable for Zerg than PvZ and has multiple dips to being Zerg-favoured - this April and May being the two most recent ones. PvT's generally switched the race that's favoured though after Oct 21 it's been evenish or with a small Terran lean. April 23 was clearly Terran-leaning but May was dead even. So it may be that Protoss doesn't win at the very top of the world, but the picture's very different among mere mortals.
That's true. Its the tournament Majors where Protoss dominates, and I would still consider those players beyond us mortals lol. The balance is excellent overall though the past 6 months, averaging within 2 or 3% of 50.
Still not great now at premiers, where toss has been doing much much worse after the last patch. Unsurprisingly, with huge disruptor and shield battery overcharge nerfs for faster forge upgrades.
The reason Protoss doesn't win any tournaments is pretty simple in my opinion. They struggle to defeat a Terran army. Everything in the Terran arsenal counters Protoss so hard. It's a constant uphill battle. Protoss may win a few games but inevitably cant continuously win vs Terran.
I think differences in skill matter more than differences in power level in StarCraft 2. I´ve been watching a lot of my replays and weather I win or loose I can usually find places were me or my opponent could´ve changed the outcome of the game by making small changes to how they played the game.
Wait a minute, i thought maxpax was just serral's offrace? Something is right here... hold while I get my red string and tackboard... i have a mystery to solve
Well played matches but... I'm gonna be honest (this is a common complaint I have with Serral) he gives up too easily. If he believes himself to be at a disadvantage, he taps out right away. Even when it's a small difference or, on occasion, he's not the one at a disadvantage at all, he just thinks he is. He knocks himself out of just as many tournaments as someone else knocks him out. To be clear he's still an amazing player. I just think he'd do even better if he was more tenacious. I was going to avoid more spoilers but... It's all over the comments. I was talking about game 1. That game wasn't over by any stretch of the imagination, his disadvantage was minor.
I love maxpax, but can he be considered the best protoss when he does no live events (which seem to feature everyone bringing out their best) I don't know. Either way, I enjoy his games
15:21 "zealots getting a horrible trade" 8 zerglings trading for 8 zealots.... "zerglings with an upgrade beat there counters hardcore" "they do not mess around" ... understatement of the year... this one line showcases inherent bias, it is broken AF, and lowbaiting it like its 'fine'. Anyone thinking its normal for a supposed counter to trade 300% more resources in favour of the countered unit, hasnt learned proper RTS rules. (or is extremely biased), even with a double upgrade lead they should trade normally around the ratios of 100% considering their position. But when a protoss hits a nova "That makes me sick", "i understand people wanting them to get nerfed" etc. yet neglecting every single time in a game when it misses. Or vipers getting abducts off. because THATS what we should consider 'fine good gameplay right? Requiring high tech to be able to beat groups of 25 mineral units because they are 'upgraded', yet nerfing all tech options of protoss in the last few years. Showcases all the problems of Protoss has a race, and also showcase the exact reasoning why protoss is 'underperforming' Aka Underpowered. 26:15 A perfect example of a forced unit required to counter viper, or you straight up lose, no matter your positioning. no matter how big of a lead you have. Your race requires tech to function. Even with it being severely neutered, having one unit to remove all that tech with no proper drawbacks, the viper, forces protoss to delay tech as long as possible, high supply of pure gateway armies with INTENTIONALLY RUSHED upgrades. Why? Because protoss tech is WEAK, underpowered. The army of the protoss consists of 4 collosi (the supposed tech counter of zerglings) 3 immortals (the supposed tech counter vs roaches), High templar,( wich should double down on countering lings) feedbacking vipers, 2 archons wich should always be the main tank of any protoss army vs zerg due to there bonus to everything biological. yet banelings and lings forcing immortals to never hit a single roach, instantly killing the remaining high templar because they are SLOW. (the archons fighting queens for no apparent reason) yet instantly removing the barrier of the immortals when a baneling gets close, after following a quick death thereafter. Collosi not doing bonus damage to banelings is absolutely insane. And only a true zerg fanboy would pretend thats fine gameplay balance. The collosi all fly away into the roach queen meet grinder by a viper. This attack was done DOWN a choke, Yes, the phoenix where dead supply, Yes supply of protoss was very very low. But having so many counter units, down a choke, and losing literally everything, while the enemy traded out there weakest cheapest lowest tech units and lost almost nothing behind it, While the zerg at the same time did economic damage AND can instantly recreate 66 lings. This is just not fair at all. I am not saying zerg shouldnt have won that fight, but it wasnt a fight. It was a massacre, heavily in favour of zerg, Yes, while being ahead in upgrades, still only needing a few tech units out wich hardcarry the entire push. If vipers carry that hard for that low cost, If they have such a big energy pool, why do they also allow them to drain buildings for energy AND not die to a feedback while on full hp? It baffles me people pretend this game is balanced in any way shape or form. Protoss is constantly forced to adapt builds and create new strategies out of thin air, micro there asses off to even get a remotely close trade off. rellying on cheese just to stay afloat. Yet banelings can just "shift + click in a mineral line, OOPS i win" Fully upgraded zerglings alone can whipe a nexus off of a map faster then immortals cost for cost can.. Its absolutely insane these units are so cheap. Yet are so broken fully teched up. Oh and btw. Protoss would LOVE to have a zealot in the main door of the expand, but when you are pushing, and creating tech, You need that tech to be with your army asap. IF they are immortals how do they walk past? Manually forced to move command the zealot and then hold commanding it again every single time one needs to go through? Every. Single. Time. Destroying creep? open door, attacking base while micro stalkers, open door, wait unit to pass, close door, Every single engage where you actually commit? Warpin at nearby warpin point, while simulataniously open and close door while the unit is passing through, while microing stalkers, feedbacking vipers, controlling your zealots so they dont go on field trips alone, Forcefielding, storming, setting up flanks, setting up harrass, All at the same time? Even if a zergs apm would not be inflated by the literally easines of SD spam to create drones. 2 clicks, 20 times = 20 workers = 40 apm. Even if all the zergs top tier apm was used productively, you could not properly Macro and micro at the same time in that state whilst being a protoss. It is THAT much actions per minute on different sides of the map WHILE waiting for immortals to actually pass through AND to perfectly setup a zealot on hold position in a door where half the time it still lets units in?.... I am sorry, but anyone and everyone commenting on zealot walls, dont understand what requirements for protoss you need to force those walls off every time. I agree hero is just neglecting it for the biggest part of his carreer, but that is WHY he excells at microing his units so well. Because he focusses on his army, NOT clicking to another side of the map to unhold a unit to then wait for it to rehold again. Its the permanent aggresive micro, wich gives hero wins. And even if he decimates with his godtier micro, those lings just cost him the game that killed all his workers with a simple split move command.
I didn’t read it all, but you seemed to say that even though the Zerg was much more powerful in a fight they didn’t deserve to win it because your feelings are hurt? … interesting
@@ferallhamster970 Whats interesting is that you are replying to me, while this was clearly a tl;dr for you. I said zerg deserves to win. If only it was an actual fight. Not a massacre, where zerg loses nothing. Also low bait troll much.. my feelings are hurt? This isnt kindergarten, adults dont troll.
@@Eraz0rZ Mkay maybe what I said was a touch out of line but… unfortunately adults troll all the time. All I’m gonna say is that this game is in the best state of balance I think it ever has been. While my opinion as a diamond 1-3 with all races is clearly not valid, as my experiences are vastly different to those at the pro league, or even just masters / gm, I do honestly believe it to be balanced. Considering the times of mass voidray being a guaranteed win (and a boring one at that) and brood lord infestor being a menace, I thi;k the game is pretty healthy in terms of balance at the moment. Just my 2 cents anyway
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im just happy that there's finally a player that gives protoss hope
what about HerO?
Watch them nerf protoss AGAIN
@@jeffreywarf that’s how it works. One genius Zerg caused Zerg to be nerfed many times. Time for toss to taste this pill
@@ИванИгревский Actually Protoss got nerfed many times because they were the most OP in 10 years in PvZ - dominating the Major tournaments. (You can see this on aligulac's balance report page.) That's the level below the Premiere's Lowko was talking about. Balance is based on all tournaments because there's just not enough players for sample data in the Premieres.
@@ИванИгревский protoss got nerfed a lot, carrier is nerfed already, disruptor is nerfed too and not a single protoss champion recently.
That chocolatey smooth “Welcome to Lowko…Lowko before breakfast” needs to be the new intro 😂
The last best-of-5 series of Serral vs Maxpax you uploaded was one of the best I've seen in recent times and maxpax was already playing with this strategy. And that high mobility Stalker+oracle with non stop stasis is beautiful to see.
MaxPax is a hope for all protoss around the world to be in game
That was fantastic. Max Pax is showing us what he's made of.
Wow that's the best protoss ive seen. Makes me a proud toss player. 😊
fellow tosser, eh?
hope detected, please nerf protos they are op! :(
So you admit to being a tosser
@@robinspanier7017 NOOOO lol.
@@robinspanier7017 lol is this really how the community works? I feel like because protoss units are the strongest, when their units survive and regen shields it's almost exponential how much better a slight boost makes the race.
Background: This is from Serral's stream fRiskying around. Serral called these freebies where he does bad strategies that are fun to watch so his MMR doesn't get too high.
Max boy is a beast. I don't even remember when was the last time that I saw anyone beat Serral this year.
Katowice
@@sevenpolar3483 ZvZ. Doesn't count :D
@@3d_win why?
@@sevenpolar3483 Just joking :D
I believe Wardi or Pig said at Dreamhack that Serral has lost two series total since Feb.
I assume this is one, i dont know the other, i believe they were counting post-Kato.
Best feeling seeing Lowko upload a new video
23:08 Poor creep tumour 😢 Queens got so mad they started going after it.
Error 404: "Hello everyone my name is Lowko" not found 😢
In my best Jon Snow: "I don't want it."
But who am I kidding? It's a Lowko video. I'm going to watch it ANYWAYS
Welcome to Lowko… Lowko before breakfast.
I always miss the singing of “Hello everyone my name is Lowko”. Even my girlfriend used to sing it
Do you have anything to ad to this comment, Lowko?
He is absolutely right!
Where is our "hello my name is Lowko"? Where? Huh?!
i love the idea of delaying oracles vs serral, serral knows the timings so well that he positions himself to deal with it so if you wait, he might be out of position
Nice going Lowko, this was a Fantastic game. HURA for Protoss.
Does this prove that Serral and MaxPax are not the same person?
Not yet, they should be on the same stage at the same time for this. This could still be Serral playing on two machines at the same time trying to outplay himself.
@@OnigoroshiZero i have heared that serral is good with his feet
@@robinspanier7017 or maybe he is testing a brain implant from Neuralink.
Actually MaxPax is a famous retired Hollywood actor. Maybe Jack Nicholson.
9:19 if only that 1100minerals was static defences right ;P
13:17 if only he had invested like 500 into static on each base he wouldn't have lost such an extreme amount of workers :P
I love how Serral doing the Erik opener is so normal it's not even worth mentioning anymore. :P
I think MaxPax figured out how to fight Terran, and that's what's cool. It turns out that against Terran, if you aren't ahead you're behind, so keeping them always 1-2 bases behind you makes your late game army actually scale relative to theirs.
The shield overcharge for the cannon at the end of the game was hilarious to me
I remember when (not too long ago) 80% of finalists were protoss, and everyone else complained about how op protoss was. Then came some balance patches that tipped the balance in favor of terrans, and terran players were going "Wow, is this what it feels like to be protoss?" SC2 is not static.
I still feel like the balance is why pros choose what they choose, maybe even if they don't know it. After playing protoss since broodwar came out, I gave zerg a try recently. What I noticed was despite the units feeling worse, the spellcasters are in a different leauge then protoss. Protoss has aoe damage spell, and aoe damage spell, really centered around keeping the death ball alive in zoning damage.
The zerg spellcasters actually feel like they are precise and enhance the army, which helps fast accurate guys like serrals play style.
Terran is the opposite of protoss. Protoss uses cheap gateway units to tank for their thin line of power units. Terran uses their power units expendably to enhance their bioball. Set them up, and use heavy fast micro to keep your bio alive while you slow creep your base forward in a heavily entrenched position. It works for the fast guys like byun and clem, and for the guys who are methodical and planning like maru.
but then again. the pro scene seems to finally be figuring out how to play protoss. theyre the aggressive race.
What will it take to get Protoss to make walls for their outer expos?
Game 3 was a proper strategy game.
Love watching MaxPax play
WOW! first time in a long time ive seen serral outplayed.
Speaking about protoss being UP.
In a way, I think they just lack some of the quality of life things that other factions have.
Like they cant heal hull hp. (flesh hp i guess for zalots and adepts XD)
They don't have something as powerful as creeps or scans for vision.
Those things count for a lot in my mind.
as zerg main, aside from the movespeed creep gives, i would much rather have a t1 unit like a phoenix for vision, and with just a t2 unit you can also have infinite vision with a well placed observer for an entire match
@kurt7937 Nah creep is just better.
The sensor/scan terrain combo is great too.
Observers just don't compare.
@@aziouss2863 did you forget you have hallucination in t1? cmon bro
@@Iaotle Creep is in every game.
So are scans.
Sentries? Not so much.
@@aziouss2863 you should get at least 1 sentry if you want early scouting. If you don't - don't make one but don't whine about it lol.
Love Lowko when he is really amped up on caffeine.
Lowko for Breakfast = Lowko Cocos
11:20 it was +2 and +3 upgrades... maybe fix?
Boo. Hoo.
Long time (months?) since I didn't watch some StarCraft or your channel. No good reason, just resting a bit on that.
Commenting at 2:51 to say that you can do more of the forced smooth Lowko voice anytime.
I'd listen to such a voice during my morning coffee too.
If I were still drinking coffee, that is (and god how I miss it).
13:57 comment: that first game was insane!! So glad I came back.
Also, no thank you for the Mickey Mouse voice. But I did chuckle.
And don't worry for missing some of the action. Honestly I missed all these rollbyes. And it's always good that you rollback a bit in these situations.
wow, Serral set up 2 computers and played them at the same time
I love the way Lowko says "Dragon Scales."
That game brought a smile to my face. Ty maxpax
a Bo3 40 min game with MaxPax and Serral?
*you know it's going to be good*
Don't worry Lowko, I'm a MaxPax fanboy too :D
As a player with minimal experience I feel like a late game upgrade for stalker / adept that gives maybe 15 shields back upon use of their abilities like a sort of blink Regen could possibly make them a little more tanky while also not making them require more skill to use
This was GLORIOUS
I will ALWAYS root for protoss in a PvZ. Great games by both players!
38:56 recall col immediatedly. no reason to let them stay to die and no chance they can get out without recall from such position.
I would definitely watch a lowko before breakfast tv show
It was a bit weird in game 1 hearing LowkoTV talk about how serral was outplaying maxpax when the finisher was down to 3 bases versus the four of Protoss but oh well.
gg! Great job to Maxpax!
so this proves that serral can play starcraft with his feet as well
Serral doing a dark queen walk in game one. Ahahah! Love it.
The danish prince breaks the helmet zerg himself?! What am I seeing? :0
More lowko before breakfast please :)
nice cast, really good game, love yoo watch falcon paladin same cast to feel different point of view
Wow! What a series! Series of the Year?!?!? Those status wards in G1 and G3 are the unsung heroes… can MaxPax PLEASE play in an offline tourney…that’s all I’m asking from Santa this year.
Serral is the greatest SC2 player of all time, he's very dominant, especially in ZvT and ZvP. Maxpax taking a series off of him is very impressive.
@Lowko: It's okay to root for the underdog!
Not suprising since Serral plays the most broken race.
@@ObeliskM If Serral didn't exist, Zerg would look downright underpowered in the Aligulac ratings and in terms of tournament results. If you check the results for the 10 most recent Major and Premier SC2 tournaments in Liquipedia, 4 were won by Terran, 4 were won by Protoss, and 2 were won by Serral.
@@ObeliskM Serral makes it look broken lol, go watch the last 10 major tournament games. The only zerg wins are by Serral
I 100% agree that the reason on why protoss doesn't win as many tourneys is because of the players. If you compare serral & maru to any of the current protoss players, they just aren't at the same level (well maxpax is looking very promising). Though toss is for sure in a worse spot balance-wise aswell, zerg has creep, terran has orbitals, & toss has.... nothing as significant as orbitals and creep.
? PvZ has consistently been _Protoss favored_ for a long time at tournament level, and aligulac proves this. Lowko was referencing Premiere tournaments only, which obviously doesn't provide enough data for balance, because as he said they are a very small number of players. The balance is now close to 50% so in a very good spot, although still slightly Protoss favored.
ahem? protoss can warps units and buildings.
Maxpax par excellence
43:24 true but serral played suboptimal ^^
Lowko loco know about the zerg nexus and the zerg probe.
Lowko start a Off Race story cup” players must pick a race that did use in gsl
It's interesting to contrast these "Protoss doesn't win" type impressions with Aligulac's balance stats. According to Aligulac, between January 2021 and today there's been only one month where PvZ hasn't been in Protoss' favour, and PvZ has consistently been the matchup with the most imbalanced winrates.
TvZ has generally favoured Terran, but it's been much less unfavourable for Zerg than PvZ and has multiple dips to being Zerg-favoured - this April and May being the two most recent ones.
PvT's generally switched the race that's favoured though after Oct 21 it's been evenish or with a small Terran lean. April 23 was clearly Terran-leaning but May was dead even.
So it may be that Protoss doesn't win at the very top of the world, but the picture's very different among mere mortals.
That's true. Its the tournament Majors where Protoss dominates, and I would still consider those players beyond us mortals lol.
The balance is excellent overall though the past 6 months, averaging within 2 or 3% of 50.
Still not great now at premiers, where toss has been doing much much worse after the last patch. Unsurprisingly, with huge disruptor and shield battery overcharge nerfs for faster forge upgrades.
What you don't have for us is The Lowko Intro(TM).
But I'll watch anyways, sounds like a banger even without it.
Never thought I'd see Serral get run through by a group of carriers...
The reason Protoss doesn't win any tournaments is pretty simple in my opinion. They struggle to defeat a Terran army. Everything in the Terran arsenal counters Protoss so hard. It's a constant uphill battle. Protoss may win a few games but inevitably cant continuously win vs Terran.
WOW!! finally we've found a savior of protoss.
I think differences in skill matter more than differences in power level in StarCraft 2. I´ve been watching a lot of my replays and weather I win or loose I can usually find places were me or my opponent could´ve changed the outcome of the game by making small changes to how they played the game.
Beautiful Scandinavian Derby
Smooth Lowko is best Lowko
I know it's probably happened pleanty of times but this is the first time I've seen Serral lose to Protoss. WTG MaxPax!
That was sick
As someone not that knowledgeable about SC2, is there a reason why protoss don't finish off the lings caught in stasis?
You can't attack units in stasis. As far as waiting for them to be out of stasis, it might be more important to be elsewhere.
Holy shit I did NOT expect that at all
Plot twist: Serral vs MaxPax is serral multiboxing with two accounts. 😂
Is Good to see the golden armada winning sometimes
That was some great Starcraft
Love the "Welcome to Lowko. Lowko before breakfast." That deep voice is bound to attract more female viewers to your channel 🤣
Im a fan of maxpax since the era of the proxy zelot opener against terran 😂 high pride for our protosses out there
Has there ever been premier tournaments where you have to play random?
I want a tournament where no player can play their main.
Yeah something like that would be cool. Where they have time to prep their off race
not premier
so that you know Lowko, Serral needs to start his military service before his 29th birthday.
He's Finnish.......I would almost view his mind to have already for any threats russia might bring. =P
@@ThulgoreFinland has mms as well
Wait a minute, i thought maxpax was just serral's offrace? Something is right here... hold while I get my red string and tackboard... i have a mystery to solve
How low can you go lowko, you got no flow with the no in-tro?
Safe and sound Protoss still around ✊
This title is 100% clickbait, and I'm here for it.
I'm a Pax man! Skibby dibby dip boom budup bup, skibby dibby dip boom budup bup.
The fact that we're getting robbed from watching MAXPAX offline... Jeez.
Bruh wtf😭 seeing that many banes rolling into your shit is hilarious af
amazing game. Their micro is godlike :D
Lowko before breakfast podcast 2024
MaxPax ok one of my favorites
vs
Serral oh damn I am so in!
I still can't believe he can play both sides at the same time, how does he do it?
oh no! can't believe serral lost! still a great series! maxpax is the future of protoss.
Proud to be from Denmark :D
Well played matches but... I'm gonna be honest (this is a common complaint I have with Serral) he gives up too easily. If he believes himself to be at a disadvantage, he taps out right away. Even when it's a small difference or, on occasion, he's not the one at a disadvantage at all, he just thinks he is. He knocks himself out of just as many tournaments as someone else knocks him out.
To be clear he's still an amazing player. I just think he'd do even better if he was more tenacious. I was going to avoid more spoilers but... It's all over the comments. I was talking about game 1. That game wasn't over by any stretch of the imagination, his disadvantage was minor.
XD lowko before breakfast
I always feel like Serral ggs out a bit too early. I wouldn't mind seeing him try at least an extra minute.
bedankt
I was cheering for MaxPax also! Underdogs ftw
Nerd chills, Max Pax is our Protoss!
I love maxpax, but can he be considered the best protoss when he does no live events (which seem to feature everyone bringing out their best) I don't know.
Either way, I enjoy his games
Did Lowko turned Canadian all of the sudden hehh?
Me a Zerg main: damn my race hasn’t been top tier since brood war.
Serral:hold my beer
Me:👁️👄👁️
Bruh. Your race has won like half of all the tournaments over the last 6 years. Thats way past top tier.
Your race its the definition of top tier. Lol.
When will Maxpax attend any LAN event 😅
I haven't heard PartinG's name in forever.
Great game. 👍
Serral can actually lose? Oh my god. This is like the first time I've seen him lose since 4 months I've been looking at his matches
15:21 "zealots getting a horrible trade" 8 zerglings trading for 8 zealots.... "zerglings with an upgrade beat there counters hardcore" "they do not mess around" ... understatement of the year... this one line showcases inherent bias, it is broken AF, and lowbaiting it like its 'fine'. Anyone thinking its normal for a supposed counter to trade 300% more resources in favour of the countered unit, hasnt learned proper RTS rules. (or is extremely biased), even with a double upgrade lead they should trade normally around the ratios of 100% considering their position.
But when a protoss hits a nova "That makes me sick", "i understand people wanting them to get nerfed" etc. yet neglecting every single time in a game when it misses. Or vipers getting abducts off. because THATS what we should consider 'fine good gameplay right?
Requiring high tech to be able to beat groups of 25 mineral units because they are 'upgraded', yet nerfing all tech options of protoss in the last few years. Showcases all the problems of Protoss has a race, and also showcase the exact reasoning why protoss is 'underperforming' Aka Underpowered.
26:15 A perfect example of a forced unit required to counter viper, or you straight up lose, no matter your positioning. no matter how big of a lead you have. Your race requires tech to function. Even with it being severely neutered, having one unit to remove all that tech with no proper drawbacks, the viper, forces protoss to delay tech as long as possible, high supply of pure gateway armies with INTENTIONALLY RUSHED upgrades. Why? Because protoss tech is WEAK, underpowered.
The army of the protoss consists of 4 collosi (the supposed tech counter of zerglings) 3 immortals (the supposed tech counter vs roaches), High templar,( wich should double down on countering lings) feedbacking vipers, 2 archons wich should always be the main tank of any protoss army vs zerg due to there bonus to everything biological. yet banelings and lings forcing immortals to never hit a single roach, instantly killing the remaining high templar because they are SLOW. (the archons fighting queens for no apparent reason) yet instantly removing the barrier of the immortals when a baneling gets close, after following a quick death thereafter. Collosi not doing bonus damage to banelings is absolutely insane. And only a true zerg fanboy would pretend thats fine gameplay balance.
The collosi all fly away into the roach queen meet grinder by a viper.
This attack was done DOWN a choke, Yes, the phoenix where dead supply, Yes supply of protoss was very very low. But having so many counter units, down a choke, and losing literally everything, while the enemy traded out there weakest cheapest lowest tech units and lost almost nothing behind it, While the zerg at the same time did economic damage AND can instantly recreate 66 lings.
This is just not fair at all. I am not saying zerg shouldnt have won that fight, but it wasnt a fight. It was a massacre, heavily in favour of zerg, Yes, while being ahead in upgrades, still only needing a few tech units out wich hardcarry the entire push. If vipers carry that hard for that low cost, If they have such a big energy pool, why do they also allow them to drain buildings for energy AND not die to a feedback while on full hp?
It baffles me people pretend this game is balanced in any way shape or form.
Protoss is constantly forced to adapt builds and create new strategies out of thin air, micro there asses off to even get a remotely close trade off. rellying on cheese just to stay afloat. Yet banelings can just "shift + click in a mineral line, OOPS i win"
Fully upgraded zerglings alone can whipe a nexus off of a map faster then immortals cost for cost can.. Its absolutely insane these units are so cheap. Yet are so broken fully teched up.
Oh and btw. Protoss would LOVE to have a zealot in the main door of the expand, but when you are pushing, and creating tech, You need that tech to be with your army asap. IF they are immortals how do they walk past? Manually forced to move command the zealot and then hold commanding it again every single time one needs to go through? Every. Single. Time. Destroying creep? open door, attacking base while micro stalkers, open door, wait unit to pass, close door, Every single engage where you actually commit? Warpin at nearby warpin point, while simulataniously open and close door while the unit is passing through, while microing stalkers, feedbacking vipers, controlling your zealots so they dont go on field trips alone, Forcefielding, storming, setting up flanks, setting up harrass, All at the same time?
Even if a zergs apm would not be inflated by the literally easines of SD spam to create drones. 2 clicks, 20 times = 20 workers = 40 apm. Even if all the zergs top tier apm was used productively, you could not properly Macro and micro at the same time in that state whilst being a protoss. It is THAT much actions per minute on different sides of the map WHILE waiting for immortals to actually pass through AND to perfectly setup a zealot on hold position in a door where half the time it still lets units in?....
I am sorry, but anyone and everyone commenting on zealot walls, dont understand what requirements for protoss you need to force those walls off every time. I agree hero is just neglecting it for the biggest part of his carreer, but that is WHY he excells at microing his units so well. Because he focusses on his army, NOT clicking to another side of the map to unhold a unit to then wait for it to rehold again.
Its the permanent aggresive micro, wich gives hero wins. And even if he decimates with his godtier micro, those lings just cost him the game that killed all his workers with a simple split
move command.
I didn’t read it all, but you seemed to say that even though the Zerg was much more powerful in a fight they didn’t deserve to win it because your feelings are hurt? … interesting
@@ferallhamster970 Whats interesting is that you are replying to me, while this was clearly a tl;dr for you.
I said zerg deserves to win. If only it was an actual fight. Not a massacre, where zerg loses nothing.
Also low bait troll much.. my feelings are hurt?
This isnt kindergarten, adults dont troll.
@@Eraz0rZ Mkay maybe what I said was a touch out of line but… unfortunately adults troll all the time.
All I’m gonna say is that this game is in the best state of balance I think it ever has been. While my opinion as a diamond 1-3 with all races is clearly not valid, as my experiences are vastly different to those at the pro league, or even just masters / gm, I do honestly believe it to be balanced.
Considering the times of mass voidray being a guaranteed win (and a boring one at that) and brood lord infestor being a menace, I thi;k the game is pretty healthy in terms of balance at the moment. Just my 2 cents anyway
Max is a god with stasis
Where greeting?