Made enough difference to cause our 5th wheels ac to slightly rub the carport on entry/ exit. Considered that a good problem and simply removed some gravel in the roadbed.
I hadn't considered that it might add a little extra height. Your truck must be sitting down hard on the bump stops. I hope no damage to the ac or car port!
Ram 1500 rear coil springs are junk when it comes to towing or hauling. I am very disappointed with mine. If I knew it wasn't going to be able to work like a truck should, I would have never purchased it.
You bought one of the smoothest riding trucks and are expecting it to expertly handle heavy loads. Ram can be modified to do better in terms of load handling, but it is not a 1500 heavy hauler. With that said, I pull a 8k boat and have air lift bags and timbren bump stops. Love my Ram and I love the 5.7 hemi.
Good info..my 6000 lb + camper is making my older 4x4 Tahoe squat almost 3 inches and sometimes bottoms out. I was thinking heavy duty coilover shocks lately, but i may try this first because of cost savings. Weight distribution setup was not helping with squat much at all. Thx.
I use the Timbren SES on my Ram 1500 too. It does the job and I am glad I chose this way. I reviewed several ways to go but for the money and ease of installation this is the way to go. Good job on the video!
THE trick that wins is Firstone Riderite / OR Airlift 1000 Coil insert airbags. They have light HD now. Cheaper traditional airbags and simpler. Wow they compensate for sag. On my 2015 Ram 5.7 . Less that $200
Interesting! Thanks for sharing that Roland. I think a lot of people are on the fence, air vs Timbren. Good to know you've had a good experience with the Riderite.
How is the ride quality in the winter? How much space do you have between the bottom of the timbren and axel? I took off a set of Sumo Springs because the rid was to harsh. Went back to originals for the winter.
Other than towing, I only really notice the Timbrens are there if I've got a heavy load in the box or if I hit a good size bump at speed. I'm not sure exactly how space is there, but I'm guessing 3-ish inches. It's too snowy and wet to be crawling under it right now, lol, but if I get a good day I'll measure it.
That was a perfect review. Thank you for taking the time. Answered all my questions and now I’m ordering one. Ps- if you ever lose your job, take this review to Timbren and tell them you’ll be their best salesman.
Yes, exactly. The weight distribution system levels the truck and the Timbrens keep the suspension from travelling too much in cross winds. We're on our 3rd season of towing with this set up, probably over 10k kms. No issues and it works well for us.
Well when you remove the trailer from the truck, the truck would no longer be setting on the timbrens , only when you have the load of the trailer on the truck. that is really all they are for. the truck springs would be doing there job after removing the trailer.
When there’s no trailer the Timbrens do not touch and the suspension can travel. Even with the trailer hooked up the axle still doesn’t rest on them. But if you get a strong cross wind, for example, they keep the truck suspension from traveling too far so you don’t feel like you’re getting pushed around as much. Make sense?
Awesome video!! Just ordered a set for my 2017 Ram 1500. Can't wait to put them on. I know when we hook up my Coachmen Catalina, the truck definitely sags a bunch. I hope these are the way to go. I thought about just replacing the factory springs with heavy duty one's, but these seem to work out better. Plus, they look like a breeze to install.
I'm in Nova Scotia and was thinking about getting these for my 2018 Ram for towing. We're planning to upgrade our Jayco X17Z to something more substantial, which means more weight. Are you still liking this upgrade?
We upgraded from an X17Z too. Short answer, yes after two seasons, we still like this upgrade. Longer answer, I would have rather had air suspension. But cheap air systems are prone to failure, expensive air systems are, well, expensive. The Timbrens hit the intersection of price, quality and ease of install for us. The only real complaint I have is that under some conditions they can make the ride rough. For example, I recently had a whole load of hardwood firewood in the bed which dropped the suspension almost down on the Timbrens. It was a VERY rough ride. But unloaded, I don't even know they're there unless I hit a very large bump. Overall, I still recommend these.
@@TravelingMaritimers, thanks for the quick response. I found they helped my old minivan so I was curious how good they would be with the truck. Stay healthy.
Just installed these on my 22 Ram Rebel 1500 crew cab echo diesel. Really easy. Won’t know how they work till I tow my TT in the spring out east to Nova Scotia. Thanks for the video!
Traveling Maritimers They come in this Monday. I’ll let you know. I have the timbren on the truck now but the truck has to sag an 1 1/4in before the timbren make contact and start functioning. Keep you posted
@@TravelingMaritimers Black Sumo Spring on 21 Ram Warlock was so harsh had to take them off for the winter. Pain. Sumo Spring told me to buy the blue ones. :(
I just got my timbrens and was using the travel trailer to Jack up the truck but I had a hard time getting them to stay in place… plus I don’t have any scrap wood :(
This is incorrect... you should have 1/2" to an 1 1/2" of clearance. At 2" you are missing the point of the Timbren as the truck would have to squat 2" before the Timbren actually engages the strike plate and begins to function properly. If you towing with a Ram 1500 I would suggest closer to 1/2" of gap.
If your truck is still squatting with a weight distribution hitch that is an indication the hitch is not setup properly. I had this issue with my 2018 Ram 1500 and once I properly setup my hitch it was totally fine without any enhancements to my suspension.
Waste of money..those spring are 300$ they still not touching top to bottom, they will once there's weight and by then it will be already sagging, with that money you mind as well install air bag
@@wasachevyguy they shouldn’t but when they do touch you should be sitting level..and on leveled truck won’t work, it will still squat, and lifted/leveled trucks belong to like 90%
Great video we'll explained. Might want to think of installing a away bar. We had the same issue when going over some rough roads at highway speed. Installed a sway bar and it tracks nice and straight.
emso0105 That’s a great point. The Ram has a rear sway bar, but perhaps a stiffer aftermarket sway bar would help. The Ram has coil springs in the rear instead of leafs. I think that makes it a bit softer than most trucks.
So when you are connected to your TT and have the weight distribution hitch on, are the timbrens touching the axle? If not how much clearance is there between the top of your axle and the bottom of the timbren? Nice video by the way!
Howdy, and Thanks 🙏🏻 for sharing... Ive been researching this very problem... I'm going to be adding a few items to create a slightly redundant system by adding the Roadmaster Active Suspension System (its a leaf-spring assist) as well as these Timbren to resolve ALL of the rear end squat and wind-sway... (you could also add a HD Rear Sway-Bar, I already have it)... the other option instead is to remove the current suspension and add a Air-Bag system... this option is a bit more costly, requires a air compressor and actually not as reliable or worry free... hoping and from my research it should, with the combination of these items my the 1/2-ton truck should handle more like a 3/4-ton.
Thanks for the feedback Tim, I hope the video helped a bit. We looked at most of those options too, but for us the Timbrens had the most bang for the buck. The Roadmaster system looked cool too, but the Ram 1500s have coils in the rear. Best of luck with your upgrades and happy towing.
I am in the midst of installing them now. OE bumpstops came off in 30 seconds.... Timbrens I've been wrestling with for almost 2 hours now. I've tried water, dish soap, PB Blaster... I've dropped the truck on stacked 2x4s, etc. I'm thinking maybe of getting them in 90% and then using an impact hammer on a block of wood or something.... Mannnnn they can be tricky to seat down in the bump flange...
@@TravelingMaritimers I finally got them in. The key is not being shy on how hard you drop the truck I think. I dropped it like a stone a few times and they're seated nicely now. We'll see how they play with a 6000lb trailer and a Swaypro Blue Ox WD hitch.
Crosswinds push my 18 wheeler around fully loaded if I’m empty a strong wind Weill push me over
Made enough difference to cause our 5th wheels ac to slightly rub the carport on entry/ exit. Considered that a good problem and simply removed some gravel in the roadbed.
I hadn't considered that it might add a little extra height. Your truck must be sitting down hard on the bump stops. I hope no damage to the ac or car port!
Traveling Maritimers - nothing major!
Ram 1500 rear coil springs are junk when it comes to towing or hauling. I am very disappointed with mine. If I knew it wasn't going to be able to work like a truck should, I would have never purchased it.
Just got a 21 1500, same impression, so much squat on one of the lightest rvs on the market a Cougar 22RBS, wish I had purchased a Ford.
You bought one of the smoothest riding trucks and are expecting it to expertly handle heavy loads. Ram can be modified to do better in terms of load handling, but it is not a 1500 heavy hauler.
With that said, I pull a 8k boat and have air lift bags and timbren bump stops. Love my Ram and I love the 5.7 hemi.
It looks sturdy, but rather have something which can be bolted.
Good info..my 6000 lb + camper is making my older 4x4 Tahoe squat almost 3 inches and sometimes bottoms out. I was thinking heavy duty coilover shocks lately, but i may try this first because of cost savings. Weight distribution setup was not helping with squat much at all. Thx.
Hope it works well for you!
Did you upgrade you weight distribution bars.....they should be rated at or above the tongue weight of the trailer....that will help with sway..
I believe the bars are rated for up to 800 lbs. The tongue weight of the trailer is about 550.
Traveling Maritimers great, that takes them out of the equation.....
balsumfractus Don’t you mean tongue weight of the trailer, and not gross weight?
Icutmetal yes, you are right!. Thanks for pointing that out....I have corrected my original post.
Thanks for the review, I have 13 Ram and carry my ATV in the bed. I just ordered a set
I hope they work well for you!
I use the Timbren SES on my Ram 1500 too. It does the job and I am glad I chose this way. I reviewed several ways to go but for the money and ease of installation this is the way to go. Good job on the video!
Thanks and we completely agree with you!
THE trick that wins is Firstone Riderite / OR Airlift 1000 Coil insert airbags. They have light HD now. Cheaper traditional airbags and simpler. Wow they compensate for sag. On my 2015 Ram 5.7 . Less that $200
Interesting! Thanks for sharing that Roland. I think a lot of people are on the fence, air vs Timbren. Good to know you've had a good experience with the Riderite.
How is the ride quality in the winter? How much space do you have between the bottom of the timbren and axel? I took off a set of Sumo Springs because the rid was to harsh. Went back to originals for the winter.
Other than towing, I only really notice the Timbrens are there if I've got a heavy load in the box or if I hit a good size bump at speed. I'm not sure exactly how space is there, but I'm guessing 3-ish inches. It's too snowy and wet to be crawling under it right now, lol, but if I get a good day I'll measure it.
That was a perfect review. Thank you for taking the time. Answered all my questions and now I’m ordering one.
Ps- if you ever lose your job, take this review to Timbren and tell them you’ll be their best salesman.
Glad the video was helpful!
So you used the weight distribution system and the Timbren Bumpers? How is it holding up? Would you still recommend it?
Yes, exactly. The weight distribution system levels the truck and the Timbrens keep the suspension from travelling too much in cross winds. We're on our 3rd season of towing with this set up, probably over 10k kms. No issues and it works well for us.
Well when you remove the trailer from the truck, the truck would no longer be setting on the timbrens , only when you have the load of the trailer on the truck. that is really all they are for. the truck springs would be doing there job after removing the trailer.
When there’s no trailer the Timbrens do not touch and the suspension can travel. Even with the trailer hooked up the axle still doesn’t rest on them. But if you get a strong cross wind, for example, they keep the truck suspension from traveling too far so you don’t feel like you’re getting pushed around as much. Make sense?
Prybar
Not necessary...a properly equipped and set up rig will NOT need them.
Disclaimer...we've only been towing RV trailers 37'yrs and noe nutt'n.
Awesome video!! Just ordered a set for my 2017 Ram 1500. Can't wait to put them on. I know when we hook up my Coachmen Catalina, the truck definitely sags a bunch. I hope these are the way to go. I thought about just replacing the factory springs with heavy duty one's, but these seem to work out better. Plus, they look like a breeze to install.
Hope they work as good for you as they did for us!
If you had sumo springs to the trailer as well you're going to feel much less" porposing" of the trailer as well as sway.
Interesting, hadn't thought of that. Worth looking into, thanks for the tip.
Did you have to re-adjust your WDH after installing the Timbren ?
No, I don't think we had to make any adjustment to the hitch.
Great video. Being a fellow Maritimer very easy to understand. 😉 I’m in the process of getting and installing these on my Tundra. 👍
Blair Lindsay Good luck with the install! Thanks for watching,
DON'T! I REPEAT DON'T INSTALL THESE UNLESS YOURE GOING TO HAUL A HEAVY LOAD ONLY! TAKE THEM OFF WHEN NOT !!! YOU WILL HATE YOUR RIDE !!!
I'm in Nova Scotia and was thinking about getting these for my 2018 Ram for towing. We're planning to upgrade our Jayco X17Z to something more substantial, which means more weight. Are you still liking this upgrade?
We upgraded from an X17Z too. Short answer, yes after two seasons, we still like this upgrade. Longer answer, I would have rather had air suspension. But cheap air systems are prone to failure, expensive air systems are, well, expensive. The Timbrens hit the intersection of price, quality and ease of install for us. The only real complaint I have is that under some conditions they can make the ride rough. For example, I recently had a whole load of hardwood firewood in the bed which dropped the suspension almost down on the Timbrens. It was a VERY rough ride. But unloaded, I don't even know they're there unless I hit a very large bump. Overall, I still recommend these.
@@TravelingMaritimers, thanks for the quick response. I found they helped my old minivan so I was curious how good they would be with the truck. Stay healthy.
@@TheNovaNorm You too! Best of luck with your upgrade.
Just installed these on my 22 Ram Rebel 1500 crew cab echo diesel. Really easy. Won’t know how they work till I tow my TT in the spring out east to Nova Scotia. Thanks for the video!
I think the sumo springs will work a bit better. Blue is for 1,000 lbs and black is for 1500 lbs and it’s a progressive rate. Good video
You could very well be right. If you try the Sumo springs, I'd be interested to hear your impression of them.
Traveling Maritimers They come in this Monday. I’ll let you know. I have the timbren on the truck now but the truck has to sag an 1 1/4in before the timbren make contact and start functioning. Keep you posted
@@TravelingMaritimers Black Sumo Spring on 21 Ram Warlock was so harsh had to take them off for the winter. Pain. Sumo Spring told me to buy the blue ones. :(
I used my travel trailer to lift up my truck. Soapy water is critical and I also siliconed them in as reassurance.
Great tip! Thank you!
I just got my timbrens and was using the travel trailer to Jack up the truck but I had a hard time getting them to stay in place… plus I don’t have any scrap wood :(
Have used Trimbren on Ram 1500 they worked great. Just installed on my new 2500 love them
TRUST ME, WHEN ON THE HWY NOT TOWING ANYTHING, YOU WILL HATE IT !!!
I use Timbrens on all my trucks. Most essential a 1 1/2" to 2" clearance unloaded and healthy rear shocks for the Timbrens to work properly.
Great tip! Thanks.
This is incorrect... you should have 1/2" to an 1 1/2" of clearance. At 2" you are missing the point of the Timbren as the truck would have to squat 2" before the Timbren actually engages the strike plate and begins to function properly. If you towing with a Ram 1500 I would suggest closer to 1/2" of gap.
I love my family and life itself, no half tons for us. It’s all about living and learning. Air bags on any truck. Family first
If your truck is still squatting with a weight distribution hitch that is an indication the hitch is not setup properly. I had this issue with my 2018 Ram 1500 and once I properly setup my hitch it was totally fine without any enhancements to my suspension.
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Thanks for your support Neal!
Get some stiffer rear spring!
70% stiffness would not squat!
BUT THEN with no trailer it would bounce around too much
You need to invest in a Henslee Hitch. You won't feel those cross winds or semi trucks going by anymore. Had mine for 3 years and love it.
I've heard good things about those!
Great Review i am looking into getting these for my Ram 1500. Thank you!
Hope they work as good for you as they do for us!
Waste of money..those spring are 300$ they still not touching top to bottom, they will once there's weight and by then it will be already sagging, with that money you mind as well install air bag
Incorrect. They’re not supposed to touch when unloaded. That’s the point.
@@wasachevyguy they shouldn’t but when they do touch you should be sitting level..and on leveled truck won’t work, it will still squat, and lifted/leveled trucks belong to like 90%
@@Italianborn Paesano, it’s all about the support. If it still sags a bit they’re still doing their job and that’s hat matters. Ciao
@@wasachevyguy stiamo da tutte le parti eeh !! Ciao bello 👍
Great video we'll explained. Might want to think of installing a away bar. We had the same issue when going over some rough roads at highway speed. Installed a sway bar and it tracks nice and straight.
emso0105 That’s a great point. The Ram has a rear sway bar, but perhaps a stiffer aftermarket sway bar would help. The Ram has coil springs in the rear instead of leafs. I think that makes it a bit softer than most trucks.
The anti sway bar goes between the truck and trailer fyi......
So when you are connected to your TT and have the weight distribution hitch on, are the timbrens touching the axle? If not how much clearance is there between the top of your axle and the bottom of the timbren? Nice video by the way!
When the trailer is connected and level the axle has about 1.5 - 2 inches of travel before it contacts the Timbren. Thanks for your comment!
Howdy, and Thanks 🙏🏻 for sharing... Ive been researching this very problem... I'm going to be adding a few items to create a slightly redundant system by adding the Roadmaster Active Suspension System (its a leaf-spring assist) as well as these Timbren to resolve ALL of the rear end squat and wind-sway... (you could also add a HD Rear Sway-Bar, I already have it)... the other option instead is to remove the current suspension and add a Air-Bag system... this option is a bit more costly, requires a air compressor and actually not as reliable or worry free... hoping and from my research it should, with the combination of these items my the 1/2-ton truck should handle more like a 3/4-ton.
Thanks for the feedback Tim, I hope the video helped a bit. We looked at most of those options too, but for us the Timbrens had the most bang for the buck. The Roadmaster system looked cool too, but the Ram 1500s have coils in the rear. Best of luck with your upgrades and happy towing.
Any updates Tim?
Any update on how the timbren last/ still works as intended?
Hindsight is 20 20 but don't use water with the soap, just use straight dish soap on your finger like you are oiling a gasket on the oil filter.
sons of liberty In hindsight, I would agree, that’s a better way to do it.
I am in the midst of installing them now. OE bumpstops came off in 30 seconds.... Timbrens I've been wrestling with for almost 2 hours now. I've tried water, dish soap, PB Blaster... I've dropped the truck on stacked 2x4s, etc. I'm thinking maybe of getting them in 90% and then using an impact hammer on a block of wood or something.... Mannnnn they can be tricky to seat down in the bump flange...
AN That is frustrating. I couldn’t put mine in by hand, but they went right in after dropping the truck onto the 2x4s.
@@TravelingMaritimers I finally got them in. The key is not being shy on how hard you drop the truck I think. I dropped it like a stone a few times and they're seated nicely now. We'll see how they play with a 6000lb trailer and a Swaypro Blue Ox WD hitch.
AN Glad to hear you got them installed. Let me know how they work for you.