Accubond vs TTSX 308win 125gr vs 130gr
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
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Today on Alaskan Ballistics we are shooting with a .308 Springfield M1A and using Barnes 130gr TTSX and Nosler 125gr Accubond.
Which bullet is better for hunting? For Home Defense in your AR-10?
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Barnes for hunting, accubonds for when you run out of barnes.
Fair assessment my friend. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours.
Spot on! Barnes have NEVER let me down! Shooting them 40+ years! One and done…!
AB. Another good and interesting video. Thanks for sharing and for your work. Take care.
Thank you Bobcat! Godspeed and good hunting!
That Barnes load really impressed me. The Nosler bullet also did well, but it was slower and a little less impressive as a hunting bullet
👍i agree
I’ve done the same test as you did. The only difference was that I used live elk here in Alberta. The results were the same though, I have settled firmly on Barnes coppers. My test calibre was the 280 AI with 168 grainers.
Nice! Godspeed and good hunting
The beauty about Barnes bullets is that you can turn smaller guns into bigger guns through penetration on game and turn bigger rifles into flatter shooting higher velocity rifles with less recoil by reducing bullet weight and still getting more than enough penetration.
That's so true. My 3630 fps 130gr ttsx would kill any game in North America... though still not my preferred bullet weight for bison or grizzly
And that moose didn't like the 127 grain Barnes lrx from my 6.5x284 Norma.
Not really the reason they tell you to lower your grain is that these bullets need speed to expand most factory do not have the speed to expand
At what distance? The ttsx expands well down to 2100... the lrx is better. The TSX bullet needs xtreme speed.
I really enjoy your videos and I am a Barns guy and I love hunting with Barns
Thank You me too
Shooting game will see them both as winners. Great expansion, great penetration.
Agreed
Thanks for the great video comparison. I currently use Barnes 150 gr. TTSX in my 30-06 in factory ammo. If they made 130 gr. in factory ammo, I would use it. My rifle shoots the 150 gr. very accurately, and it has performed well on whitetail deer. I would not hesitate to use it on larger game. Even though my state doesn’t mandate it, I am a monolithic projectile fan.
Glad you've had great luck with it!
Either or both. But the pedals off of the Barnes extended it's penetration and decreased the expansion of recovered bullet. So it would be considerably larger at least at times.
The Barnes seemed to have a more dynamic impact and damage also. I may be wrong. Great deer, Caribou, hog, personal defense options with both. Thank you Sir. Enjoy.
Thank you brother. I like the Barnes too. Godspeed and good hunting.
Great video! Thank you
Thank you for watching!
Great video. Verified what I feel, which is TTSX for everything. I would even like a 110 gn.
Yep
I'd use the one that gave the best groups. They both are great choices for velocity and terminal performance. If a non-leaded bullet appeals to you, go with the Barnes. The Nosler may expand better at lower velocity though. Both are are nice man!
Thank you. Agreed 👍 Godspeed and good hunting my friend.
That's a good example of why not to use a Lead core bullet for hunting. I have plenty of lead core bullets that I use for target practice an plinking, but for hunting, over the last few years, I have gone all copper.
I would have done it sooner but the technology needed some tweaking and real world testing to see what works for a given job. Good demo.
Agreed 👍 thank you
Awesome video and I love Barns
Thank you
Great test. I am looking to load some up for my 39-06 im hoping to get a 130 ttsx over 3300
Nice! Should easily get that!
Like always, light fast bullets expand more. I’m thinking at close distance heavier May be best within 200 yards or so.
Maybe
Very good video. Do you have one for the barnes 62gr ttsx in 223 rem? I'd like to take a whitetail this season with one of those before I break out the big guns lol
No, I need to make a video... I've got the rounds loaded up. You'll be fine if you're neck shooting does over food plots. I used to do that with 55gr V-max
They hold together very, very well!
Yes they do!
We'll see about the accubond at .300 win mag velocities.
That’s pretty impressive. Either would work but I’d take the Barnes in case I needed more penetration on bigger game. Good test. 2A💪
Agreed
I just loaded a batch of these for my Howa Super Lite. Hopefully it is a shooter. It feels like a .22 at 4.5 lbs bare. I anticipate being right at 6 lbs ready to hunt.
I hope they perform well! Good hunting
I have taken a few deer with 7MM 160 grain accubond and they did fine but are quite frangible. But the TTSX is really impressive and I love the velocity. Cheers 🇺🇸 🇳🇿
Really a 160gr accubond fragmented on you?
@@AlaskanBallistics well at least lost about 40-50% of its weight
@davidneal6920 not too bad really.
@@AlaskanBallistics yeah nothing hit properly ever walked away from it 🇺🇸 🇳🇿
Great test. TTSX is great.
Thanks bro
👍👍the 125gr was fine but I really like that 130gr ….especially for deer hunting.
It'd be the perfect all around deer to caribou bullet for sure
the cheapest 308 bullets i can find is the hornady 150 sp interlock, seems would be great for home defense and hunting as the good ole soft points have been working for generations and they are CHEAP, i love me some ballistic tips tho
Better b.c. on the ballistic tips but yeah they're okay though not for heavy large game like bison or bears
Good velocities. They'd both be good for self defense and tactical use. I'm still trying to find the best 308 factory ammo for use in an ar10. So far, the hornady 150gr sst is the fastest and hardest hitting for self defense.
For home defense the SST would be a good round as it won't overpenetrate. I wouldn't use it on game (I've tried) and it will tend to underpenetrate
Excellent performance of the bullets considering the velocity. Those have got to be some flat shooters too, and the longer the range then more penetration id think. Its too bad Speer didnt offer the golddot at these lower weights in 30 caliber.
A 125gr speer gold dot would have been awesome
That TTSX is a hammer!
Sure is
Barns performed great as always
It does
I've always been impressed with Barnes
Wow, didn't realize how much more power you can get with a 22 inch barrel vs a 16 especially on these lighter loads. Very impressive velocities.
Length is the friend of lightness.
Very true.
They'll perform a little better at around 2900 coming from a 16" is my best guess... more weight retention, more uniform expansion probably slightly more penetration.
@@AlaskanBallistics would these perform well out of an LR 308 AR 10 with a 16 inch barrel? I was considering the 130 gr Barnes or the 150 gt Buffalo Barnes TTSX for general wilderness protection.
I love Barns… nice speeds with your reloading.
Me too. Not even at max yet. And still getting 3150 in my 18" barrel. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend.
Curious what powder. Not looking for exact recipe. But that's the FPS I'm hoping to get out of my 22" tikka with 130 ttsx for these Kodiak blacktails. Thanks
TAC by Ramshot.
Man your numbers are SOOO close to mine in my 308 130 TTSX with TAC in a Tikka rifle. Killed a few whitetails with it last season.
Bullet perform well?
@@AlaskanBallistics PERFECTLY, as ALWAYS, with Barnes - at least in my experience
@@AlaskanBallistics I'm just now reviewing load data for 300WSM with 168 TTSX. I have new Norma and Nosler brass prepped, primed, ready to load. Also have the 180 Accubonds and 190s as well. Waiting on it to get back from my builder who is lengthening throat so I can seat bullets out further
I have tested LOTS of different bullets, but there are good reasons for why I use Barnes bullets of different types for almost all my hunting and almost all my rifles.
And this test is one indication of why, but very far from the whole picture of why.
The only rifle I am not using Barnes bullets, is my 6.5x55 Swedish because I am not bothered to reload for it and I am not able to buy factory loads with Barnes TTSX in 6.5x55 Swedish.
For all my other rifles, I only use non Barnes bullets for varmints and training.
Does barnes even produce 6.5x55 swedish?
The 127gr lrx in that weight would be sweet.
I can confirm that the 127gr LRX in my 6.5x55mm is an excellent performer. And I can use 6.5 staball to load it, which is a lot more common than RL19 right now. I shot a reduced load into water jugs and was very impressed. 5 jugs of penetration and the bullet kept all its petals, final expansion being just under 3/4 of an inch, the only weight loss being from the plastic tip. Go buy a set of Lee dies, and some 127gr LRXs, you won't be disappointed. Also the 147gr eld-m is great Hog medicine.
@@M.H.D.actual
I use the Barnes LRX in my 6.5x55 Krag from 1918 and it performs very well in that.
I have just not bothered to reload for my 6.5x55 Swedish yet as I am already reloading for many rifles, I am totally tired/bored of all the reloading and I get good enough results with the Lapua Mega factory ammo I use in it for what I use it for.
125 grain accubond is awesome for deer sized game. Might use the Barnes on elk sized game.
Fair enough
What kind of performance do you mean by awesome??.... like a grenade awesome?
Seems the Barnes might be a little better for tougher critters. For deer size game, either would work fine. Just needs some work on the loadings to tighten the SD a bit.
True... but that's my powder thrower i think
@@AlaskanBallistics quite possibly. I assume this was the first batch of these? So this works fine for a starting point. I dont have a digital throw, so I throw light and trickle up to what I want. Is slow but it works.
What powder did you use?
@beamonk the add up slide says "loaded with TAC" so probably Ramshot TAC.
Correct. Ramshot TAC
Good video Chuck how do you determine the energy of the bullet when you had that little screen up thank you
Velocity Squared x bullet weight in grains
All divided over the constant which is 450240.
Hopefully i said the formula right... if confused hit me up on IG or mewe and I'll take a picture of the formula
Now that 130 is the 💩 maybe I need to try some of those this hunting season 😁
Yep... if they're accurate
I have used Accu Bonds for years , no need for me to try anything else !! .308 win 125 gr.
What game?
Wondering if you could share what powder you used for the barns 130 ttsx?
Thought we said it... sorry... Ramshot TAC
I love how you stack em up and don't waste time , blam blam blam. I need to load up some lighter projectiles for lighter amminals. I kind of went a little bit extreme with everything.
Shooting a DSA SA-58 and a Burris LRS scope with a "Christmas tree" ranging reticle
Keep em coming !
I love balistics !
Do you do any .50bmg ?
I don't have access to a .50 bmg right now.
@@AlaskanBallistics let me know if you do , I have a great friend who can get BIG surplus and another friend who houses S3@l te@m 6 at his ranch.
Projectiles and brass are easy and I reload with 20mm powder. Right now primers are 79$ for 100 at north 40 , but I am still good for now, last time I bought API I paid WAY less than 1$ a pop .
I love your tests .
Great information
Also... I build cannons 😁
I have shipped them everywhere and used to sell on gunbroker... not enough sales , I got distracted and wandered off . I do a nice beer can howitzer that gets a 2.2 pound can of concrete to about 1500fps with only 2 ounce of goex 2f , and we golf ⛳ , no idea where those go , but a 16 Oz. Halibut sinker is ammo, so is whatever you put In a toilet paper tube. 😀 👍
Thanks brother. If you want to meet and shoot yours on video, let me know
@@AlaskanBallistics absolutely, if I escape Washington I would love to ride the ferry north, especially if there is destruction and a BBQ ! . My place is for SALE !
Looking to live on POW Island, seafood and bears 😋
both bullets will work on deer sized game but which one is the most acurate at range
Depends on the rifle
We call the 180 nosslers "green death" ☠ , got to be honest, all of my amminal hunting rounds are stuff that I accumulated from gun shows, so often I only have lots of 100 for hunting with the 300 win mag , .300 H&H and .308 .... but I have never shot anything twice, so 100 rounds is cool 😎
Nice!
Depends which bullet your rifle likes. SE USA penetration and B/C are out the window. I like them both, but I would let my rifle decide. Thanks
A good handloader probably could get either to shoot well.
@@AlaskanBallistics I guess it depends on what shooting “well” means. I’ve had rifles over the last 40 years that would never shoot certain bullets not matter what powder, primer, etc I tried. Either way enjoyed video. Thanks
@johnkaraphillis754 i get that...
I wonder how these two bullets will perform out of Contender pistol? Their launch velocities will be much slower, around 2600 fps. Thanks for the vid.
I'm not sure. Good question. They'll both do fine though down to about 2000-2300
@@AlaskanBallistics 2600 fps didn't quite meet my requirements. However, 2650 did. 😊 Thanks.
@@doghousedon1 nice! Which bullet ?
Cool video, slow mo really looked like that Barnes hit with a lot more energy dump VS Accubond. I think the factory Barnes done great @3128. I'd like to load my own also but only have about 100 primers left & saving those to load 45-70. Great vid as usual thanks again m
Where are you from?
@@AlaskanBallistics Dublin Ga raised in Clayton County
Can't ship primers out of Alaska
@@AlaskanBallistics lm in good shape as far as factory 308win & bought a bunch of Buffalo Bore 357magnum back when it was 10 bucks cheaper
@keithreese9636 i grew up off of flint river road in Jonesboro. If you were in Alaska, I'd give you 300 lrp. But i can't import or export them easily
So personally if I were to use a 308 for self defense I’d think I’d like the 110 gr vmax for home defense use I haven’t tested it but I would assume it wouldn’t Over penetrate as much. I definitely could be wrong. Just my 2cents.
You could also definitely underpenetrate. I would look at the 110 grain barns.
@@AlaskanBallistics what do you mean by under penetration. Correct me if I’m wrong but I’d like to think in a self defense scenario that you wouldn’t want the bullet to exit the body especially inside a house where it could continue on and hit a loved one. I don’t know not my area of expertise. Maybe a good idea for a video though.
@jordanhays732 but if it doesn't penetrate to the vitals because the bullet breaks apart, it'll do nothing... absorbing the energy doesn't kill or put something down, penetrating to the vitals does. A vmax can under penetrate.
@@AlaskanBallistics ok I gotcha now had a blond moment lol have a good night bud.
Im just wondering if a 1in10 is to much twist and how stable that 130 will be at 200 or more yards ?
There's no such thing as too much of a twist. Back when jackets were thinner and manufactured poorly, yes too much twist can hurt accuracy. Now, it doesn't matter to much. I shoot 40gr fmj out of my .22-250 and they're as accurate as anything else
Im going to try the accubonds in my two shot 30-30.
Let me know how that works
I’m sure that accubond is great for lighter deer species, but I’m telling you right now that for inside of about 100 yards, that 130 grain TTSX absolutely smashes and puts down just about anything at any angle. Fantastic for woods hunting whitetail.
Nice! Thank you for sharing your experience
I know you're right because I put down a big bull moose with a barnes 127gr lrx from my 6.5x284 Norma going about 150fps slower than this
Yeah man, they’re a very good bullet for the .308. At impact velocity over (or at) 2,600 fps. That the key with Barnes’ copper bullets, make sure they’re light-for-caliber and hitting the target at over 2,600
@ryannafe9252 going to try accuracy in my .300. Win mag next.
@ryannafe9252 i prefer the lrx because you can go down to 2200 easily, possibly more.
My family has killed a LOT of deer with the 308 Win loaded with 125g Sierra lead tip, and recently the plastic tip.
Cool. Do they hold together well?
What powder load did you use?
Ramshot TAC .4grs away from maximum (below) in each the barnes and nosler manuals.
What powders do you recommend for lightweight copper projectiles in 308?
TAC BLC-2
@@AlaskanBallistics Thanks! Which reloading data source do you use the most? I’m loading 308 100g-130g copper and I’m having a tough time finding data.
Do you just go by the data for the same weight lead projectiles?
@kfranklin308 barnes. It's free online
@kfranklin308 i usually use the data from the bullet manufacturers i use.
@@AlaskanBallistics ok thanks
👍👍
Thank You
The copper bullets have a bad habit of dropping all their petals on contact with with bones like the shoulder blade, etc...i also notice serious bore wear from shooting them...
At high speeds they shed petals for sure. In the 2800 to 3100 range they
I reload TTSX and Accubonds; both are effective on whitetails in a variey of calibers. But...whitetails are fairly fragile animals.
They're tougher than people give them credit for.
Thanks for watching and the comment. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours.
@AlaskanBallistics we get to shoot 10 does and two bucks down here, but they are smaller. Every deer that gave me a long track was a poor shot on my part. You hit both lungs from the center forward, with a medium game cartridge, and they are not going more than 150 yards.
Georgia?
@@AlaskanBallistics Yes, sir. I've shot 50ish pounders up to 200. The milk fed rascals eat good.
I'm from Jonesboro Originally
So you take the 130gr or 150gr TTSX for Elk hunting? My .308 16” shoots the 150’s good but I haven’t tested the 130s. I’d gain a better velocity out of it. Thoughts anyone?
In a 16" .308, I'd take the 130s for more speed to ensure they open up at distance. The 150s mistletoe are getting 2550 to 2650 fps... meaning a 300 yard door is iffy on expansion. The 130s should be getting 2950+. They still got 3150ish in my 18"
@@AlaskanBallistics I’ll buy a box and see how they do before the trip then! Thank you.
No problem! Have you chronographed your 150s?
@@AlaskanBallistics I haven’t. I really need to buy one. So sadly I won’t have that option this year for testing. Max range will be 250 yards probably in a clearing. It’s dense there in the rain forest
@BoostedMK6 Shooting custom handloads like these are, It is essentially even at that distance. If they are going above three thousand feet per second the drop is significantly different. Is a lot of gun ranks around here actually rent one
Ya, buuuttttt.......at longer ranges the Accubond will still expand when the much harder Barnes is just penciling through.
True but you're talking 500+ yards with the ttsx going that fast
@@AlaskanBallistics from a 308? That's debatable.
@@luvtahandload7692 the barns is rated to open up at 1800fps. Ballistic calculator says that’s 600 yards when pushing then 3200 at the muzzle.
Man, I am surprised the AB did so well at nearly 3200 FPS. Would really think thats a peach loaded to around 2800 fps, for deer out to a couple hundred yards anyway
Yeah at 2800 to 3000 it would be better for deer, caribou, black bear
@@AlaskanBallistics Heck yeah, be nice if someone wanted to take it easy on themselves (or someone else) recoil wise or likes crazy lightweight rifles. As always great testing and video quality!
@joelodjick230 thank you brother
I have a love hate relationship with the Springfield M1A. I just wish they were more accurate.
I’ve owned 3 of them 2 scouts and a socom 16 each would not do better than 3 MOA @ 100 yards no matter the load I tried. 😢. Apparently it’s common knowledge they aren’t known for being an accurate rifle unless you spring the extra cash for a loaded or match M1A.
Yeah, the longer match barrels are really accurate, AR-10 is a better accuracy platform.
@@AlaskanBallistics For sure. Granted I did take a pronghorn @ 400 yards last year with my M1a but I shot it in the lower leg which slowed it down allowing for a follow up.
I blame the rifle and myself for taking an M1A on a pronghorn hunt. To get within 400 yards of those speed goats is a task in of itself.
@mikerobinson8734 yeah I'll be taking 6.5x284 for that
Loaded
Barnes for the win!
Yep!
Did he post the RL recipe?
No. It's .7grs away from Max at the specified c.o.a.l. in both the barnes and nosler manuals.
Hope that helps.
I shoot Accubonds in my 300 Winchester magnum and the ballistic tips in 4 of my hunting rifles
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I wonder what they would do at 300 yards.
Me too... they should be able to expand well because they're still going 2500+
In my Tikka 308, the 130 TTSX over TAC did very well on southern whitetails several hundred yards
Up close 50 yards the copper did great but at distiance I'm sure the acubond would do better with expansion.
Maybe, I've seen accubonds not expand at distance. I treat them like copper bullets, go lighter and give it more speed.
Agree about TTSX for shtf. I have LRX and TTSX for shtf.
Agreed
❤
Thanks
in a M1A I would use a lead 150 gr +/- not full power
Yeah that works
👍😊
Thanks brother
@@AlaskanBallistics how’s the accuracy
@chrisgabbert658 haven't tested yet. We barely had enough brass to load for these tests
Barnes is always a winner.
In their ttsx and lrx lines yes
Smoking speed from 308.
They're a wee bit toasty
Accubonds for when you want to punch a tiny little hole through a deer. Practice tip style
Accubonds need speed like copper bullets
How do you hunt in alaska and stalk game in deep snow in such terrible shape?
Snowshoes... I've got more endurance than you think
I run the 110 TTSX out of a 308 & 30-06. They drive through!
Nice!
I just tried a box of Barnes TTSX 120grn in my 7mm-08.
Holy Cow my rifle likes those cartridges!
The info on the box gives a velocity of 3005fps.
My Model 70 has a 22 inch barrel so it may be a little shy of that claim. I'll guess 50 - 100 fps under 3005.
I just got a chrono, so the next time I go to the range I'll know how close to the claim it is.
I definitely found my rifle/cartridge combo for this year's Deer and Black Bear.
Now I'm curious as to how Barnes 139grn LRX would perform out of my 7mmRm?
That ammo will take anything in North America. Not my first choice on moose bison or brown bear, but I wouldn't feel under gunned. Let me know how they chronograph I love barnes bullets but their loaded ammo often has terrible standard deviations.
And here's a video on my 120gr ttsx handloads