I will play all the guns. Usually I play a primary until I get those 510 kills. During this time, you get used to the gun and get a good feel for its handling. Changing the weapon after that gives you a new challenge and lets you adapt your play style to the gun.
Ivan Woerdman The ACE 23 was created by IWI who also makes the Galil. It has since been licensed out to other manufacturers who are located within countries who are employing them as regulars' rifles. It's not the same weapon.
I aware I took my artistic license from the fact that it came from the actual galil which was my father's issued rifle while serving in the IDF Nahal brigade. My parents are Israeli I am an Israeli citizen (also US) have made over ten trips to Israel coming back from a recent trip and would like to add that IWI manufacturers the ACE in Israel you can check that on there website. The Israeli military is beginning to phase out the M4 and m16 and replacing it with Tavor variants. The Colombian version was made with cooperation with IWI. Thank you and shalom.
I like that even though this gun is pretty much universally the best gun, it still has tons of competition. It shows that the gun balance in this game was done well. As far as accuracy on console goes, I personally think properly burst firing is more important that recoil control, once you get that down recoil isn't much of a problem even with a stick.
I would always prefer the m416 in bf3, and I used that for a while in bf4 as well. However, once i unlocked the ace 23, it pretty much instantly became my favourite weapon in the game. Depending on the situation, throwing on a muzzle break or a silencer makes this gun amazingly versatile. A suppressor actually doesn't feel like it nerfs the gun much at all like how it would in bf3. It's still extremely manageable and i feel like a lot more people are keen to find you from map checking when you fire unsilenced this time around, so so suppressor is usually my preferred loadout at this point.
Love this gun so much, it's good at everything. Aek and famas is amazing for close range, aek could also be good for medium range but not as good as the ace 23 at medium. The sar is great for long to medium range but it's terrible for close range. The ace 23 is great for close, medium and long range
M416 is better in my opinion. Very low recoil, pretty much no reload time, great range, great fire rate, great damage. Very rare that I get under a 3 k/d with that gun.
And then there was this one day I had terrible headaches, so I decided to stand next to the pack of painkillers for a few seconds to recover. True story.
ACE 23 is in fact one of the best weapons ingame. Even without attachements its kicking ass. Wont use it again, ever. there is no skill needed to kill people with it.
Low rate of fire, means you will get stomped out by a experienced player with a higher rate of fire weapon. AK5C is really fun and easy to use, but not the gun for the competitive player.
Yeah, I also tried it yesterday, and wasn't impressed at all. I guess the AEK and FAMAS are king close range, SAR long range and the allround weapon is the M416!
Teunis Dokter I'm still finding the SCAR and FAMAS are my ARs of choice. SCAR actually has higher DPS than the ACE 23 - coupled with fast reload, the SCAR is actually an excellent CQC weapon if your shot is decent.
I have to agree with the ak5c buff, I run it on my engineer and haven't bothered opening other weapon loadouts on him as I play for the vehicle/anti-vehicle play, and when in combat I noticed I was getting kills that were not possible before, even at medium to medium-long range.
I have noticed the same about combat distances. On overall, when you get into one vs one shoot outs, the distance is longer in BF4 than in BF3 on average. It's just map design, I guess. This might be also the reason why I don't find PDWs are that useful anymore in BF4.
Why is it over-powered? It seems alright and if you watched the video he also said that there are weapons that are better than it in certain situations like the AEK.
Mitch Blythe you wouldnt believe how many people use this gun on a TDM server . 30 men, at least 20 people use it. Sure, SAR has lower recoil, but it is bad at CQB, medium range, or Famas - beast CQB, terrible at everything. He also said that this gun's stats combine make it the best gun. Best guns do not necessary have the best stats, but have the best combination of stats, make the best gun. Ex the A-91 - high Hip fire accuracy, decent ammo count, decent reload speed, but it is still a terrible gun
I still think the L85A2 is better, because it has really controllable recoil (just like the ACE 23), better hipfire and an slightly higher ROF which makes it even more versatile IMO
Its about the same on console. I play on the 360 and it's like mowing grass. Same with long ranges as long as you can manage some good head shots you can take out an unskilled sniper.
I won't use this gun simply because absolutely everyone else uses it constantly, along with-ACE 52 CQB, SCAR-H, AEK-971, AK5C, QBS09, AK-12, AKU-12, SKS. I simply cannot allow myself to use these guns, i just like to consistently go against the grain.
Ah. I like the M240B but I see it a lot. I don't really snipe unless I have to, but it's the L96A1 I'm often killed with when I'm sniped. I don't see the M4 much at all so I'll give you that one. I don't see the L85A2 too often, but often enough. What about engineer weapons? I like using the weapons that people can't control well like the Famas, AEK, ACE 52. For some reason though, I haven't gotten a hang of the changes they've made to the LMGs.
aj981981 As far as PDW's i would have to lean towards the UMP-45, seem's like a no brainer given the damage but surprisingly few people use it, they instead tend to opt for the MP7 or MX4. And i also frequently use the M39 EMR as well for the DMR category. The only lmg's i ever seem to see are the MG4 and M249, and the only sniper rifles i seem to see are the CS-LR4 and SRR-61, i have occasionally run across someone using the L96 but not too often.
I guess it all depends on player levels and gametype choices. The UMP-45 is one of my favorite PDWs. I agree with LevelCap that the DMRs are all but useless so I don't really use them unless I have to or I want a challenge.
Hey LevelCap, you should totally do a review on the SCAR-H! It's really a beast if you can control the recoil and if you can land the shots. The TTK is unmatched even if it shoots at 620 rpm.
I'd be interested in seeing you make a vid(s) comparing controlling guns on your console vs. PC. How the limited analog stick throw affects your gun control. Sensitivity settings. Aim assist on/off. You have a unique perspective on this being a true BF PC professional with a thorough understanding of each gun. I retired from PC play years ago and just enjoy (OK "enjoy" is a stretch with BF4's current state) relaxing on the couch with my XBox 360--but have been enjoying (I really mean it this time) your vids for past couple of years. Thanks!
I think it'd be great if battlelog showed the engagement distances in graphical form in which you drop enemies - wouldnt that be awesome? You could then use that data to truly understand your play style and pick a gun accordingly to match where you most kill enemies (i.e. at medium ranges, long, etc.)
Ace 21 is my weapon of choice for the engineer class. Its pretty much a mini ace 23 with a bigger mag. Also HD-33 is my favorite optical sight. Its that perfect balance between a holo sight and coyote sight. When applied to the AK5C, I almost don't need to use the magnifier that I put on it. And so, with my ace 21, I replaced it with the target detector. And I suppress almost all of my primary weapons. Bothe the AK5C and ACE 21 are great for stealth
L85 is better. Faster RPM, better hip fire accuracy, recoil is similar (easy to handle). Apart from reload time I don't see any reason to use ACE 23 instead. Still, I want my G3A3 back! Scar is just too ugly.
2 years later and this still is the most OP assault rifle and for some odd reason never got nerfed but instead got buffed ...... Like really DICE ? What made you think the most OP rifle in the game ever need a buff.
I think the reason for it is because you have to pretty much complete the assault class to get the gun. It's got pretty good stats yes but it's still gonna suck in the hands of eh players. As for the buff, maybe they felt you weren't getting enough bang for your buck after you've completed the assault class. I don't think it's overpowered, but I do agree that it's got a bit of an edge.
***** You're an idiot. Terms that apply to video games tend to have different definitions. I doesn't even matter if my description wasn't 100% accurate, what I said is still fact.
+Max Dell (TheHangbackKing) He wasn't trying to define the word using a dictionary, he was using it in video game terms. When something is overpowered in a video game, it means that it's better than anything else, it's easy to use, it doesn't require skill.
Played with M416 and was happy, now switched to ACE23 to try it out, like a day before I watched this video and ... I love this gun. Nice video LevelCap. Cheers!
When I use the ace 23, my ratio has hovered between 4 - 5 compared to my very average 1.75. Not that I care at all about stats, but there is a pretty clear distinction in its performance. I am running with the folding grip and the suppressor with the coyote RDS and it just works so wonderfully with the suppressor. I really don't want to depend on using it so much though and I'm trying to have fun with other guns like the M16, MP7 and some slug-oriented shotgun builds.
I still believe in having a niche weapon and avoiding or compensating for that weapon's specific downsides. Sorry Levelcap, never been a huge fan of "all round weapons", the ACE 23 will be beaten by every other weapon in their respective combat range. For medium range supremacy just use an AEK or FAMAS and learn to microburst. Not that difficult. Or use a SAR-21 and play defensively. As a RUclipsr you should encourage weapon variance and tell others to use different weapons, not outright stating the bloated ACE 23 as the "Best" weapon (It is not.). It is a jack of all trades, master of absolutely nothing, and that does not by any means mean that it is the best. Gratz on Rank 100 :D
Thing is these "all round weapons" will go toe to toe with just about any other weapon (even the niche weapons) and outclass them in the other area's. It doesn't really happen that you only shoot in situations where a niche weapon rules. Sure in super close combat a FAMAS might beat your ACE 23 assuming you're equally skilled; but that FAMAS will be totally outclassed if ranges get a little bit larger, which happens even on CQB slugfests like Operation Locker. If you prefer niche weapons, by all means (I personally quite like niche weapons too); but stats, weapon usage, looking at what the top players in the world use and last but not least past experience from games like BF3; simply show that "all round weapons" reign supreme in these type of games. And the ACE 23 is likely the best all round weapon.
***** Yeah i agree, Plus what difference does ROF make in a game with this kind of netcode. If you peek down a hall way the first guy you see is a guaranteed kill if you consider yourself at least average skill level. Because you can see the guy and shoot him, but on his screen you haven't even rounded the corner yet. However i stray away from weapons like this because i get more satisfaction in over coming hard recoil, and low fire rate so i can kill someone based on the fact i am more skilled, not because i am using some MLG spray cannon like the ACE-23.
He did encourage variance and as already pointed out other weapons will perform better at their respective ranges. But yes I agree with using a niche weapon to it's best strengths.
Light machine guns are good but when you run into somebody in close quarters you will almost always get outgunned by someone with an AR or carbine at least thats what ive noticed, and you also move/aim slower with them
Most important thing in a being good is picking out a gun which suits your gameplay. My gameplay is usually using an assault rifle to pick ppl off at long, to med range, and some other times I'll be running around walls, and I'll use a cq gun, or if I'm holding down a lane then I'll go with a LMG, and I'll just shoot constantly with a suppresser. Also depending on the situation, and strategy.
I have the same thing. Though luckily enough, I have a habit of liking "bad" guns anyways because overtime Ive learned to like certain guns more than others. When I find them in a game, Im going to use it no matter how much it might suck.
Levelcap should do a series where he attempts to get a certain attachment for a certain weapon class. It also can't be an easy thing like rds. I did this in BF3 where I got the straight pull attachment for all bolt action snipers
I don't know why LevelCap says "Bolt-Action" Sniper Rifles when 95% of the SR's are Bolt-Action. I know it's just classification but it seems pointless to say.
Maybe they'll try to annoy him the best way possible because it's funny for some people and that'll ruin the clips and delay uploads... So he changed his name to not be recognized. I think.
I've certainly given this a try, and I won't be using it until I get my fill of every other gun. Using this just feels wrong to me, same with the 416. I don't like turning on easy mode. That being said though, I perform better in most games with a JNG-90/M40 than I have with the ACE 23, but that's because I've spent more time with those two snipers. Certainly I could see me using this later on when the chips are down and I need an advantage to win in a tough scenario, but right now I'm just playing to relax and experience everything. Plus beating people using this with a bolt action in close quarters is hilarious.
I play on PS4. I have fully unlocked AEK, M416, F2000, AUG, AK12. SCAH and ACE23. Each with 4 or 5 service stars. And I totally agree with what you are saying. ACE23 excels in no particular stats. But it's definitely the most versatile of the bunch.
ACE 23 all the way! And no its not for noobs, is actually for ASSAULT EXPERTS (; Even if its not the best gun in the game, this gun is a beast if you know how to control it.
***** Best load out on AEK is now this. Angled Foregrip + RDS/HOLO (whatever you prefer for a 1x sight) + Muzzle Brake + Laser Sight. Tap fire it 3-6 rounds for best effect. And up close it doesn't matter what grip you have on it when spraying at 900rpm, hence the laser sight.
I know what you are saying about other vids coming out quick. But I respect an informed and valid opinion. Not some guy who has had the game for 6 hours and claims to know the best gun and set up...how can they know. Good stuff.
The ACE 23 is amazing at medium range combat. If you want an AR for close quarters combat, the L85A2 is the best. The best AR for long range is the CZ-805.
L85A2 is a long range weapon... The best assault rifle at close range is the AUG or the FAMAS with the AEK. The ACE 23 is the best allrounder. My preferable weapons is SCAR for the a bit allrounder but also some long range engagement over close quarter. The M416 for allrounder total and the Famas for close quarters.
Fruityyy1337 Dude I trhink u are low level? I have in BF4 300h Gametime and in BF3 I had more then 900. The AUG is one of the best weapons for higher ranges, because of its lower firerate and its maximum distance and muzzle velocity. Famas and AEK are definitly for cqb thats true but L85A2 is for close ranges too. But u must play tactical beacuase of its long reload time. M416 and ACE 23 are thes best allrounder of the ASSAULT RIFLES and the Scar is pretty good for close ranges and for long ranges too.
***** I found the AUG for medium range in rush best. Went with zero deaths using it in rush a lot of times with 20 killstreak. I wrote wrong when I meant the AUG for close range, it's usable there but it will get totally outdamaged by other weapons. I can't see why the L85A2 is close range? If you ask any youtuber, or just any other player, they will say that it's long range engagement. The scar is only good in close range because of the 3 shot kills.
I don't like it, in my opinion. If I want an all-rounder, the M416 seems to suffice for me. Plus I've seen a crap-ton of people use the Ace 23, which just makes it boring. I like weapon variety, I often switch through most of the assault rifles, maxing out the L85A2 and AEK-971, whilst working on the AUG and CZ-805. It just seems to me that those who use nothing but the Ace 23 are just afraid of variety and protecting their K/D.
so, i was just trying out some guns in test range when i noticed that i had unlocked the ace 23.. i jumped in joy and i thought it was a glitch as i assumed that it was a dlc weapon.( i don't have premium). i unlocked this gun long time ago but noticed it now!!
they are almost identical in everything but horizontal recoil, (where the M416 has more severe right recoil) and reload times where the m416 beats it by a good margin (.55sec faster for short and .7 sec faster for long).
I prefer the Ace 52 just because I prefer the 7.62 rounds. Same with the SCARH. While playing Conquest I use the scar for maps that tend to have more longer range engagements or the Ace for more medium to close.
You pull too far when shooting. I pull out after 6 shots because I know about the bullet lag (hence why some bullets follow you around corners). Your wasting hella ammo this way man.
The Martini Henry on BF1 is a "Thanks for coming out" game changer. I still like the M416 the best on BF4 but I'm going to try the Ace 23 again for kicks and giggles
My favourites are the AEK and M416, which I have around 2100 kills with each. I think the ACE 23 and L85A2 are on par with eachother and are both really good though.
Battlefield 4 map design is awful, full stop, if your a conquest player like myself you will be kicking yourself from the rage of being spawn killed, when an enemy spawns behind you and when a flag is placed in the middle of a highway where each team has 2 lav's and 2 tanks. it seriously pisses me off because they made improvements to weapons and vehicles but the maps just kill it completely.
M416 seems like the better overall gun, if only due to the faster reload. everything else between the two weapons is too similar to notice the difference.
You know i fount that the Sar-21 although slower firing is better then the m416. i was dropping people from id say about 200 250 meters away with a IRNV sight but i tried with the M416 and i had to dump the magazine in the one person. and ive also font it i was dumping magazines into people alot in medium to close ranges with the 416. the Sar-21 i fount better, but it really depends on your play style.
I agree. The times to kill and recoil of both weapons are essentially the same. But the M416's faster reload speed is definitely more useful than the ACE 23's 2.6% higher rate of fire. In the 0.25/0.7 s saved, the M416 can fire 3/9 additional rounds.
Yes but I jut find the M416 high fire rate and handling hard to use in BF4, BF3 I absolutely love the M416 its what I go to when I want to fuck people over.
Here we go again....I guarantee LvlCap will judge every gun based on this gun. That's what he did back in BF3 with the M16. He compared every gun to that and didn't give each weapon a fair review. ACE 23 isn't the best. I've done just fine with all the other guns. Hell, the M16A4 in this game feels better than the ACE. No gun is the best gun. It's all based on the player's skill and versatility.
I put in work with the M16A4 with the bipod. This gun is my favorite and the M4 is my 2nd favorite. I usually go with these two guns with 1911 or .44 beast class. And if times get rough I go with AK12 and the 45 and make life more easy for me. I use the ACE23 for a few rounds but that gun wasn't for me
Cali Jay I can't use the .44 anymore. It's too screwed up. 62 stars with that baby on BF3 and I can't even stand to use it now. 1911 for days now The ACE is a good gun but so are a lot of other guns out there. Hell I completely dominate with the PDW-R and CZ-3A1. It's all based on the player. I don't know how you can use a bipod on something other than an LMG. I find them a hinderance...
Please use this load out LevelCap ,aku-12 with any red dot,compensator, angled grip and laser. CZ-75 with ghost ring suppressor and laser. And a RPG with mini grenades
Luca Zudich Yes, but this gun is not OP at anything.. If you ran this gun in Close Quarters, you will get crushed by AEK,Famas or MX-4. If you ran this gun at medium range, OK, but there are still better guns and for long ranges there are DMRs and Sniper Rifles. OP? Really?
Your gun reviews brought me to your channel and the info and stats on screen made me subscribe nice one i find that with the AEK the best way to compensate in longer range play is the compensator and to just tap R1 or switch to single fire has helped me rank up the gun alot and yes the ACE 23 is a great gun especially with a Acog and canted ironsight
This is a very short minded statement, good sir. There is skill involved with any gun in the game because as Mr. LvLCap said, there is nothing this weapon does best, it's just average. Just like I win 9 out of 10 AEK gunfights against an M16A3 in Battlefield 3 in CQB but you didn't hear people complaining about the AEK being OP. Not in BF3 and not in BF4 because it's just utter trash in any combat situation further away than a couple of meters.
Try using this gun and i bet you would get rocked. Anyone that thinks there is a "best gun in the game" for the most part, does not know what they are talking about. LevelCap CRUSHES everyone with any gun. He could easily claim a flimsy pistol is the best gun in the game and tools like you would still believe it. LevelCap is just a good player. I've never ran into a weapon i always lose to in the game because i know how to play the game. You have to play to your enemies' weaknesses. No single gun will turn you from a crappy player, to a good player.
kne217 It is not about the gun doing average on everything, it is extremely accurate and has low recoil which removes certain skills needed to operate other ARs - you would never be able to automatic fire a FAMAS like this and still hit something. This makes it a very easy weapon to acquire results with for a beginner aka an easy mode gun.
kne217 Dont mix up "OP" with "easy mode", dude. The M16 wasn't OP, the ACE 23 isn't OP. But both are "easy mode" guns, which require way less skill to operate. I laugh at everyone who is abusing these weapons. They don't deserve any respect.
Graphics Look Better On Ps4 Then Xbox and I Dont Wanna Buy A 2000 Dollar PC Thats What Bought Me The Ps4 Cause I Usaully Just Play Battlefield :D And Yeah I Love The Ace 23
I have this on PS4 and I enjoy it a lot. I don't have the ACE 23, but I'm trying to work my way towards it. I just need 46 more medkit ribbons and maybe 100 assault rifle kills and then I'll finally get it. The assault rifle kills are easy, but for the medkits, I think games like Rush, Obliteration, and Conquest I think are good for them.
There's a hidden gem in support LMG's, and those are the M240B and the PKP. I've been called a cheater, suspicious, fishy, and other crap before with those 2. But it's really in how one controls their bursts when firing the 7.62mm LMG's. The key is to do 2-3 shot bursts while controlling the vertical recoil by dragging down a bit. They're actually fairly usable at medium and somewhat long range just straight up standing while using PKA 3.4x scope, Green Laser or Tri Laser, Vertical Grip, and Heavy Barrel (minimize the spread). I've gotten headshots even at around 200m on snipers with them through a series of bursts, it does keep snipers suppressed enough where scope sway may hinder them from getting a headshot on me at times. In a way, it somewhat feels like the G3A3 of BF3, although not quite. But on the ACE-23, it's the tryhard gun and obviously the BF4 version of the M16A3 sadly. Personally I like the M416 a bit more than the ACE-23.
Let's just all agree that the mares leg with the 40x scope is the best weapon in the game.
yes
+sib mackern m8 that shit needs a nerf
No, a shotgun with an a of scope is better.
+Dixon Liang acog*
+sib mackern Bro, Duckbilled shotgun with an ACOG is so even more OP.
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I will play all the guns. Usually I play a primary until I get those 510 kills. During this time, you get used to the gun and get a good feel for its handling. Changing the weapon after that gives you a new challenge and lets you adapt your play style to the gun.
I do the same thing.
The ACE 23, good at everything. The best at nothing.
The Israeli military ethos.
***** ace 23 is a galil :0 for as far as i know..
Ivan Woerdman The ACE 23 was created by IWI who also makes the Galil. It has since been licensed out to other manufacturers who are located within countries who are employing them as regulars' rifles. It's not the same weapon.
Grady McDonald The ACE 23 is the Colombian version of the Galil: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMI_INDUMIL_Galil_ACE chec the article
I aware I took my artistic license from the fact that it came from the actual galil which was my father's issued rifle while serving in the IDF Nahal brigade. My parents are Israeli I am an Israeli citizen (also US) have made over ten trips to Israel coming back from a recent trip and would like to add that IWI manufacturers the ACE in Israel you can check that on there website. The Israeli military is beginning to phase out the M4 and m16 and replacing it with Tavor variants. The Colombian version was made with cooperation with IWI. Thank you and shalom.
Not best gun.
Ever walked around a corner and downed 10 people with an MG4?
Nicely said sir
SAW is better.
thats depended on skill if you round a corner and down 10 people
Why always mg4. Why not saw or Pkp pecheneg
We have the wisdom here ^^^^^^
Xbox player here. The ACE 23 is godly on the console too.
i laughed when level said a dmr would be better at long range
The sound makes your enemies kill themselves, that's pretty effective if you ask me.
sks typa beat
I like that even though this gun is pretty much universally the best gun, it still has tons of competition. It shows that the gun balance in this game was done well.
As far as accuracy on console goes, I personally think properly burst firing is more important that recoil control, once you get that down recoil isn't much of a problem even with a stick.
I would always prefer the m416 in bf3, and I used that for a while in bf4 as well. However, once i unlocked the ace 23, it pretty much instantly became my favourite weapon in the game. Depending on the situation, throwing on a muzzle break or a silencer makes this gun amazingly versatile. A suppressor actually doesn't feel like it nerfs the gun much at all like how it would in bf3. It's still extremely manageable and i feel like a lot more people are keen to find you from map checking when you fire unsilenced this time around, so so suppressor is usually my preferred loadout at this point.
Love this gun so much, it's good at everything. Aek and famas is amazing for close range, aek could also be good for medium range but not as good as the ace 23 at medium. The sar is great for long to medium range but it's terrible for close range. The ace 23 is great for close, medium and long range
Am I the only person who strongly believe the CZ is a better gun? Yes the RPM is only 700 but it's bullet grouping is far better.
Lets make a video and tell every Battlefield 4 player to use the gun.
Smart LevelCap.
It wont really change anything.. Anyone that has the gun already use it, every 5 player i meet use it...
You must be pretty young to say something like that
On the other hand he said to use it with the muzzle brake, which isn't a good idea.
M416 is better in my opinion. Very low recoil, pretty much no reload time, great range, great fire rate, great damage. Very rare that I get under a 3 k/d with that gun.
Ohhh you my boyy
And then there was this one day I had terrible headaches, so I decided to stand next to the pack of painkillers for a few seconds to recover. True story.
Everytine i use ace 23 the matches get better for me, the versatility of thisgun is amazing.
ACE 23 is in fact one of the best weapons ingame. Even without attachements its kicking ass. Wont use it again, ever. there is no skill needed to kill people with it.
personally I think the ak5c is the best weapon in game. It is the most versatile carbine and you can use it on ALL classes. What is not to like?
what attatchments do you use on it?
Low rate of fire, means you will get stomped out by a experienced player with a higher rate of fire weapon. AK5C is really fun and easy to use, but not the gun for the competitive player.
best Carbine in my opinion is the AUK-12. Highest rate of fire of all Carbines.
apoctriforce dumb ass, it's even slower than AK5C, check weapon stats from time to time
Give me the MTAR over the AK-5C anytime, the AK-5C might be accurate, but I can easily kill an AK-5C user with the MTAR even at longer ranges.
The ACE 23 USED to be the best gun in battlefield 4. Now it's the AK5c for some reason. They did lots of nerfing/buffing in the last patches.
Yeah, I also tried it yesterday, and wasn't impressed at all. I guess the AEK and FAMAS are king close range, SAR long range and the allround weapon is the M416!
Teunis Dokter I'm still finding the SCAR and FAMAS are my ARs of choice. SCAR actually has higher DPS than the ACE 23 - coupled with fast reload, the SCAR is actually an excellent CQC weapon if your shot is decent.
I was wondering why I was seeing so many AK5Cs yesterday...
I have to agree with the ak5c buff, I run it on my engineer and haven't bothered opening other weapon loadouts on him as I play for the vehicle/anti-vehicle play, and when in combat I noticed I was getting kills that were not possible before, even at medium to medium-long range.
I have noticed the same about combat distances. On overall, when you get into one vs one shoot outs, the distance is longer in BF4 than in BF3 on average. It's just map design, I guess. This might be also the reason why I don't find PDWs are that useful anymore in BF4.
This gun is not just "the best gun in Battlefield". It's completely overpowered and should get nerfed asap.
Why is it over-powered? It seems alright and if you watched the video he also said that there are weapons that are better than it in certain situations like the AEK.
Mitch Blythe
It's like M16A3, not the best in every situation, but still doing good. At close, mid and longe range. It's too universal.
Oh shut up, you noobs always wanna bitch and call everyything op. Get some skill rookie.
Mitch Blythe you wouldnt believe how many people use this gun on a TDM server . 30 men, at least 20 people use it. Sure, SAR has lower recoil, but it is bad at CQB, medium range, or Famas - beast CQB, terrible at everything. He also said that this gun's stats combine make it the best gun. Best guns do not necessary have the best stats, but have the best combination of stats, make the best gun. Ex the A-91 - high Hip fire accuracy, decent ammo count, decent reload speed, but it is still a terrible gun
FortyCalCarter I don't even want to know how many ACE 23 kills you have...
I still think the L85A2 is better, because it has really controllable recoil (just like the ACE 23), better hipfire and an slightly higher ROF which makes it even more versatile IMO
a good way to put it is, the ACE 23 is a jack of all trades but a master of none
Congrats on lvl 100 levelcap!
in same thime you unlok lvl 10
Its about the same on console. I play on the 360 and it's like mowing grass. Same with long ranges as long as you can manage some good head shots you can take out an unskilled sniper.
I actually prefer the L85 over the ACE.
I won't use this gun simply because absolutely everyone else uses it constantly, along with-ACE 52 CQB, SCAR-H, AEK-971, AK5C, QBS09, AK-12, AKU-12, SKS. I simply cannot allow myself to use these guns, i just like to consistently go against the grain.
So what do you like to use?
aj981981 I change it up alot, but lately i've been using L85A2, M4, M240B, L96A1.
Ah. I like the M240B but I see it a lot. I don't really snipe unless I have to, but it's the L96A1 I'm often killed with when I'm sniped. I don't see the M4 much at all so I'll give you that one. I don't see the L85A2 too often, but often enough. What about engineer weapons?
I like using the weapons that people can't control well like the Famas, AEK, ACE 52. For some reason though, I haven't gotten a hang of the changes they've made to the LMGs.
aj981981 As far as PDW's i would have to lean towards the UMP-45, seem's like a no brainer given the damage but surprisingly few people use it, they instead tend to opt for the MP7 or MX4. And i also frequently use the M39 EMR as well for the DMR category. The only lmg's i ever seem to see are the MG4 and M249, and the only sniper rifles i seem to see are the CS-LR4 and SRR-61, i have occasionally run across someone using the L96 but not too often.
I guess it all depends on player levels and gametype choices. The UMP-45 is one of my favorite PDWs. I agree with LevelCap that the DMRs are all but useless so I don't really use them unless I have to or I want a challenge.
ACE 23 or M416?
M416 all day
I like the ACE better.
Yisewalton M416
Yisewalton they're balanced
Ace is better at decent at everything
M416 is best at everything, except for extreme close quarters
Yisewalton I love the CZ-805.
Hey LevelCap, you should totally do a review on the SCAR-H! It's really a beast if you can control the recoil and if you can land the shots. The TTK is unmatched even if it shoots at 620 rpm.
I'd be interested in seeing you make a vid(s) comparing controlling guns on your console vs. PC. How the limited analog stick throw affects your gun control. Sensitivity settings. Aim assist on/off. You have a unique perspective on this being a true BF PC professional with a thorough understanding of each gun.
I retired from PC play years ago and just enjoy (OK "enjoy" is a stretch with BF4's current state) relaxing on the couch with my XBox 360--but have been enjoying (I really mean it this time) your vids for past couple of years. Thanks!
Did anyone come here because of happyhour?
i did
*raise hands*
Me too
...uh, no. No, of course not. Heheheheh...
Potato Gaming he hit level 100 in this vid, you know what that means.
It's time to get... THE BUCKET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Level 100, im level 10
well you have a life ;)
too
*****
he earns money because of gaming.
gioboy275
lvl 35 :3
Viktor Ludwig
lvl 43
Wrong title for the video. You should of named it, "The Best All Around Gun In Battlefield."
I think it'd be great if battlelog showed the engagement distances in graphical form in which you drop enemies - wouldnt that be awesome? You could then use that data to truly understand your play style and pick a gun accordingly to match where you most kill enemies (i.e. at medium ranges, long, etc.)
Ace 21 is my weapon of choice for the engineer class. Its pretty much a mini ace 23 with a bigger mag. Also HD-33 is my favorite optical sight. Its that perfect balance between a holo sight and coyote sight. When applied to the AK5C, I almost don't need to use the magnifier that I put on it. And so, with my ace 21, I replaced it with the target detector. And I suppress almost all of my primary weapons. Bothe the AK5C and ACE 21 are great for stealth
L85 is better. Faster RPM, better hip fire accuracy, recoil is similar (easy to handle). Apart from reload time I don't see any reason to use ACE 23 instead.
Still, I want my G3A3 back! Scar is just too ugly.
2 years later and this still is the most OP assault rifle and for some odd reason never got nerfed but instead got buffed ...... Like really DICE ? What made you think the most OP rifle in the game ever need a buff.
shhhh
+MrMister1227 he can comment whatever he wants as long as its not against RUclips rules.
I think the reason for it is because you have to pretty much complete the assault class to get the gun. It's got pretty good stats yes but it's still gonna suck in the hands of eh players. As for the buff, maybe they felt you weren't getting enough bang for your buck after you've completed the assault class. I don't think it's overpowered, but I do agree that it's got a bit of an edge.
***** You're an idiot. Terms that apply to video games tend to have different definitions.
I doesn't even matter if my description wasn't 100% accurate, what I said is still fact.
+Max Dell (TheHangbackKing)
He wasn't trying to define the word using a dictionary, he was using it in video game terms. When something is overpowered in a video game, it means that it's better than anything else, it's easy to use, it doesn't require skill.
I prefer the L85 but ace 23 is easier to use I think
Played with M416 and was happy, now switched to ACE23 to try it out, like a day before I watched this video and ... I love this gun. Nice video LevelCap. Cheers!
When I use the ace 23, my ratio has hovered between 4 - 5 compared to my very average 1.75. Not that I care at all about stats, but there is a pretty clear distinction in its performance. I am running with the folding grip and the suppressor with the coyote RDS and it just works so wonderfully with the suppressor. I really don't want to depend on using it so much though and I'm trying to have fun with other guns like the M16, MP7 and some slug-oriented shotgun builds.
***** well if you spam medkits it means ur aware of shit, like your health or your map, not the right corner to camp in
***** okay...
Honestly i feel like the M416 plays better than this gun.
Now the Ace 23 has 36 rounds in mag ^^
yup
Guillaume Genteuil
I also noticed that! As if it wasn't good enough before!
I still believe in having a niche weapon and avoiding or compensating for that weapon's specific downsides. Sorry Levelcap, never been a huge fan of "all round weapons", the ACE 23 will be beaten by every other weapon in their respective combat range. For medium range supremacy just use an AEK or FAMAS and learn to microburst. Not that difficult. Or use a SAR-21 and play defensively. As a RUclipsr you should encourage weapon variance and tell others to use different weapons, not outright stating the bloated ACE 23 as the "Best" weapon (It is not.). It is a jack of all trades, master of absolutely nothing, and that does not by any means mean that it is the best.
Gratz on Rank 100 :D
Thing is these "all round weapons" will go toe to toe with just about any other weapon (even the niche weapons) and outclass them in the other area's.
It doesn't really happen that you only shoot in situations where a niche weapon rules. Sure in super close combat a FAMAS might beat your ACE 23 assuming you're equally skilled; but that FAMAS will be totally outclassed if ranges get a little bit larger, which happens even on CQB slugfests like Operation Locker.
If you prefer niche weapons, by all means (I personally quite like niche weapons too); but stats, weapon usage, looking at what the top players in the world use and last but not least past experience from games like BF3; simply show that "all round weapons" reign supreme in these type of games. And the ACE 23 is likely the best all round weapon.
Dude, go to 7:55. He DOES encourage weapon variation. Did you even listen? lol
***** Yeah i agree, Plus what difference does ROF make in a game with this kind of netcode. If you peek down a hall way the first guy you see is a guaranteed kill if you consider yourself at least average skill level. Because you can see the guy and shoot him, but on his screen you haven't even rounded the corner yet.
However i stray away from weapons like this because i get more satisfaction in over coming hard recoil, and low fire rate so i can kill someone based on the fact i am more skilled, not because i am using some MLG spray cannon like the ACE-23.
He did encourage variance and as already pointed out other weapons will perform better at their respective ranges. But yes I agree with using a niche weapon to it's best strengths.
Light machine guns are good but when you run into somebody in close quarters you will almost always get outgunned by someone with an AR or carbine at least thats what ive noticed, and you also move/aim slower with them
Most important thing in a being good is picking out a gun which suits your gameplay. My gameplay is usually using an assault rifle to pick ppl off at long, to med range, and some other times I'll be running around walls, and I'll use a cq gun, or if I'm holding down a lane then I'll go with a LMG, and I'll just shoot constantly with a suppresser. Also depending on the situation, and strategy.
Don't want to sound like an obnoxious twat but when I hear a gun is incredibly good, I generally pick a ''lesser known'' weapon. Just me?
I have the same thing. Though luckily enough, I have a habit of liking "bad" guns anyways because overtime Ive learned to like certain guns more than others. When I find them in a game, Im going to use it no matter how much it might suck.
Do I hear AN94 @BF3? Oh man I miss that gun:(
A lot of people have an "Inner Hipster".
Sometimes it's no fun using what everyone else uses with a much greater guarantee of getting a decent score.
100lvl yay lvlcap :D
110is levelcap
dafuq really? 0.0
that "Mr.PewPewPew" on lvl 100
yes it is :D
I wish the Kobra was available for pistols like the 44 mag.
I wish there would be no Shorty 12s ,G18s,93Rs
The ACE 23 is the only weapon I have unlocked all attachments for, and is easily my favorite. I completely agree with you.
Levelcap should do a series where he attempts to get a certain attachment for a certain weapon class. It also can't be an easy thing like rds. I did this in BF3 where I got the straight pull attachment for all bolt action snipers
I don't know why LevelCap says "Bolt-Action" Sniper Rifles when 95% of the SR's are Bolt-Action. I know it's just classification but it seems pointless to say.
Because hes LevelCap,that's why :D
Falcon-X Probably became a habit because of BF3 classifying DMRs as sniper rifles.
It's not 95%, it's 12/13. About 93% are bolt actions, the SRR38 is semi-auto.
Bro, how come you change name all the time (I've seen new names in your recent uploads)? just wondering.. thanx for awesome vidz. best regards /YB
Probably because people will try to take his tags,blow up the chat etc. because they see his name.
Maybe they'll try to annoy him the best way possible because it's funny for some people and that'll ruin the clips and delay uploads... So he changed his name to not be recognized. I think.
I suspected that but wasn't sure. Thanx guys!
Hey guys today we're going to take a look at the ACE 23 and why it's the MOST OVERPOWERED gun in BF4
I've certainly given this a try, and I won't be using it until I get my fill of every other gun. Using this just feels wrong to me, same with the 416. I don't like turning on easy mode. That being said though, I perform better in most games with a JNG-90/M40 than I have with the ACE 23, but that's because I've spent more time with those two snipers. Certainly I could see me using this later on when the chips are down and I need an advantage to win in a tough scenario, but right now I'm just playing to relax and experience everything. Plus beating people using this with a bolt action in close quarters is hilarious.
I play on PS4.
I have fully unlocked AEK, M416, F2000, AUG, AK12. SCAH and ACE23. Each with 4 or 5 service stars.
And I totally agree with what you are saying. ACE23 excels in no particular stats. But it's definitely the most versatile of the bunch.
I love the F2000... was my favorite gun in BF3
ACE 23 all the way!
And no its not for noobs, is actually for ASSAULT EXPERTS (;
Even if its not the best gun in the game, this gun is a beast if you know how to control it.
Hey Trevor! How is this possible? I thought I killed you in GTA V!?!
Magnus Spångmyr PARANORMAL ACTIVITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG!! I better hide...
Magnus Spångmyr he will find you anyway....
I know. Gotta replay the game before he'll find me and not kill him this time..
And u said m416 was best gun Lol, till u saw this one
I don't know why but I feel like it takes longer to kill someone with the ACE 23 than any other gun I used.
***** Best load out on AEK is now this. Angled Foregrip + RDS/HOLO (whatever you prefer for a 1x sight) + Muzzle Brake + Laser Sight. Tap fire it 3-6 rounds for best effect. And up close it doesn't matter what grip you have on it when spraying at 900rpm, hence the laser sight.
Maybe bcuz u suck at using the ace
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I know what you are saying about other vids coming out quick. But I respect an informed and valid opinion. Not some guy who has had the game for 6 hours and claims to know the best gun and set up...how can they know. Good stuff.
I use both the AEK and Ace 23. Both great guns for different play styles.
The ACE 23 is amazing at medium range combat. If you want an AR for close quarters combat, the L85A2 is the best. The best AR for long range is the CZ-805.
Mtar & Aek smash both these guns up close. M16 is just better all round also.
DarkbyDesign Yeah I think the AEK is best weapon for cqb, higher firerate and faster reload. And in my opinion the M416 is the best allrounder.
L85A2 is a long range weapon...
The best assault rifle at close range is the AUG or the FAMAS with the AEK. The ACE 23 is the best allrounder.
My preferable weapons is SCAR for the a bit allrounder but also some long range engagement over close quarter. The M416 for allrounder total and the Famas for close quarters.
Fruityyy1337 Dude I trhink u are low level? I have in BF4 300h Gametime and in BF3 I had more then 900. The AUG is one of the best weapons for higher ranges, because of its lower firerate and its maximum distance and muzzle velocity. Famas and AEK are definitly for cqb thats true but L85A2 is for close ranges too. But u must play tactical beacuase of its long reload time. M416 and ACE 23 are thes best allrounder of the ASSAULT RIFLES and the Scar is pretty good for close ranges and for long ranges too.
***** I found the AUG for medium range in rush best. Went with zero deaths using it in rush a lot of times with 20 killstreak. I wrote wrong when I meant the AUG for close range, it's usable there but it will get totally outdamaged by other weapons. I can't see why the L85A2 is close range? If you ask any youtuber, or just any other player, they will say that it's long range engagement. The scar is only good in close range because of the 3 shot kills.
Cap can you do a draw my life video
YES PLEASE
YES, DO IT!!!!!
New Horizons JUST DO IT! DO IT! (you get the reference?)
I don't like it, in my opinion. If I want an all-rounder, the M416 seems to suffice for me.
Plus I've seen a crap-ton of people use the Ace 23, which just makes it boring. I like weapon variety, I often switch through most of the assault rifles, maxing out the L85A2 and AEK-971, whilst working on the AUG and CZ-805.
It just seems to me that those who use nothing but the Ace 23 are just afraid of variety and protecting their K/D.
Yeah, Seeing all these tryhards using ACE 23 24/7.. Still not doing all that well.
I feel honoured to be one of your kills in the game lol. Nice to know we haunt the same servers. :)
so, i was just trying out some guns in test range when i noticed that i had unlocked the ace 23.. i jumped in joy and i thought it was a glitch as i assumed that it was a dlc weapon.( i don't have premium). i unlocked this gun long time ago but noticed it now!!
I actually prefer M416 more. Just feels better imo
Hey levelcap can you make a video On a weapon comparison with the m416 vs the ace 23
they are almost identical in everything but horizontal recoil, (where the M416 has more severe right recoil) and reload times where the m416 beats it by a good margin (.55sec faster for short and .7 sec faster for long).
Which is better? Ace 23 , M416 or AN-94
An-94
Adrian Avram ok thanks
Adrian Avram ok thanks
honetly i think m16a4 on ps4 is best
honestly
LevelCap, you were NOT. LYIN'. I decided to take up this weapon this weekend, having never used it. My LORD this thing brings the slaughter.
I prefer the Ace 52 just because I prefer the 7.62 rounds. Same with the SCARH. While playing Conquest I use the scar for maps that tend to have more longer range engagements or the Ace for more medium to close.
what attachments do you use with this weapon??
06:04
You pull too far when shooting. I pull out after 6 shots because I know about the bullet lag (hence why some bullets follow you around corners). Your wasting hella ammo this way man.
+ismaeil jarral huh???
+ismaeil jarral you play on console so lol figured
+F1Fan897 Nope I play PC.
Such a good youtuber
He says the Ace-23 is his favorite assault rifle, but in almost every single squad up, he uses the M416.
I was going to say that too!
M416 master race
AR platform master race
The Martini Henry on BF1 is a "Thanks for coming out" game changer.
I still like the M416 the best on BF4 but I'm going to try the Ace 23 again for kicks and giggles
My favourites are the AEK and M416, which I have around 2100 kills with each. I think the ACE 23 and L85A2 are on par with eachother and are both really good though.
Battlefield 4 map design is awful, full stop, if your a conquest player like myself you will be kicking yourself from the rage of being spawn killed, when an enemy spawns behind you and when a flag is placed in the middle of a highway where each team has 2 lav's and 2 tanks. it seriously pisses me off because they made improvements to weapons and vehicles but the maps just kill it completely.
"A is being captured. I better spawn on it." *Spawns right infront of a tank*
they just need to fix spawning
then dont play low skill vehicle maps
ACE 23 got a heavy nerf prior to this review, surprised level still thinks its the best.
My bet would be for the L85 now, M416 a close second.
+ The symthic numbers aren't up to date, the ACE 23 has much more horizontal recoil than listed. my guess would be around a .3 to a .4 on either side.
No.... it didn't get nerfed. People are just being paranoid.
It certainly did. Prior to the Nerf, it hardly had any side to side recoil. They increased this and the first shot multiplier.
source?
famas makes ace 23 tryhards go away
urgh that reload speed.
Only close range thou.
Versatile337 1x optic,heavy barrel,green laser, angled grip and put it at burst mode and you have a death machine.
The ace 23 is my third most used weapon but i dont use it anymore because i play conquest. so many vehicles its better to run engineer.
the ace 23 is limited to assault class though. carbines like sg553/ak5c are much more versatile, being open to every class.
M416 seems like the better overall gun, if only due to the faster reload. everything else between the two weapons is too similar to notice the difference.
You know i fount that the Sar-21 although slower firing is better then the m416. i was dropping people from id say about 200 250 meters away with a IRNV sight but i tried with the M416 and i had to dump the magazine in the one person. and ive also font it i was dumping magazines into people alot in medium to close ranges with the 416. the Sar-21 i fount better, but it really depends on your play style.
I agree. The times to kill and recoil of both weapons are essentially the same. But the M416's faster reload speed is definitely more useful than the ACE 23's 2.6% higher rate of fire. In the 0.25/0.7 s saved, the M416 can fire 3/9 additional rounds.
Yes but I jut find the M416 high fire rate and handling hard to use in BF4, BF3 I absolutely love the M416 its what I go to when I want to fuck people over.
i used the 416 the same exact way. burst fire in medium to long range then i held the trigger in close range.
i still think l85 is better, feels a lot like the bf3 m16, 800 rpm, easy to controll recoil, its accurate and has a good bullet speed too
This weapon is so over hyped, I kick ass with the MTAR.
because the MTAR isn't hyped at all lol
Congrats on LVL 100
This is a good gun. I prefer the m416 though which is noticeably better with a silencer than the ACE 23.
Here we go again....I guarantee LvlCap will judge every gun based on this gun. That's what he did back in BF3 with the M16. He compared every gun to that and didn't give each weapon a fair review. ACE 23 isn't the best. I've done just fine with all the other guns. Hell, the M16A4 in this game feels better than the ACE.
No gun is the best gun. It's all based on the player's skill and versatility.
I put in work with the M16A4 with the bipod. This gun is my favorite and the M4 is my 2nd favorite. I usually go with these two guns with 1911 or .44 beast class. And if times get rough I go with AK12 and the 45 and make life more easy for me. I use the ACE23 for a few rounds but that gun wasn't for me
Cali Jay I can't use the .44 anymore. It's too screwed up. 62 stars with that baby on BF3 and I can't even stand to use it now. 1911 for days now
The ACE is a good gun but so are a lot of other guns out there. Hell I completely dominate with the PDW-R and CZ-3A1. It's all based on the player.
I don't know how you can use a bipod on something other than an LMG. I find them a hinderance...
I always try to unlock everything for each gun before choosing 1 to really play with :-)
good i'm not the only one :)
:-)
Don't exclude me! :)
Yay! Our army of unlockers is growing! BBBWBAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA
Joe Fisher yay
I say the cz-805 is the best
My custom ACE 23 has a HD 1x optic,standard barrel,green laser, and stubby grip. It's great.
Please use this load out LevelCap ,aku-12 with any red dot,compensator, angled grip and laser. CZ-75 with ghost ring suppressor and laser. And a RPG with mini grenades
Anyone else like the L85A2?
In my opinion the l85 is the best.
So the gun is basically op as fuck
So you are basically dumb as fuck...
Pavel Gajdoš why do you have to come out with insults?
Pavel Gajdoš guns in battlefield should all have their flaws and pluses not one being the best
Luca Zudich Did you watch the video? He said this gun has many Flaws and named all of them.
Luca Zudich Yes, but this gun is not OP at anything.. If you ran this gun in Close Quarters, you will get crushed by AEK,Famas or MX-4. If you ran this gun at medium range, OK, but there are still better guns and for long ranges there are DMRs and Sniper Rifles. OP? Really?
levelcaps usernames always make me chuckle xD
Your gun reviews brought me to your channel and the info and stats on screen made me subscribe nice one i find that with the AEK the best way to compensate in longer range play is the compensator and to just tap R1 or switch to single fire has helped me rank up the gun alot and yes the ACE 23 is a great gun especially with a Acog and canted ironsight
anyone else come here from battlefield friends
Yep
yeah
yea lol
Another easy mode gun...DICE, please stop taking the skill out of the game.
This is a very short minded statement, good sir. There is skill involved with any gun in the game because as Mr. LvLCap said, there is nothing this weapon does best, it's just average.
Just like I win 9 out of 10 AEK gunfights against an M16A3 in Battlefield 3 in CQB but you didn't hear people complaining about the AEK being OP. Not in BF3 and not in BF4 because it's just utter trash in any combat situation further away than a couple of meters.
Try using this gun and i bet you would get rocked. Anyone that thinks there is a "best gun in the game" for the most part, does not know what they are talking about. LevelCap CRUSHES everyone with any gun. He could easily claim a flimsy pistol is the best gun in the game and tools like you would still believe it. LevelCap is just a good player. I've never ran into a weapon i always lose to in the game because i know how to play the game. You have to play to your enemies' weaknesses. No single gun will turn you from a crappy player, to a good player.
kne217 It is not about the gun doing average on everything, it is extremely accurate and has low recoil which removes certain skills needed to operate other ARs - you would never be able to automatic fire a FAMAS like this and still hit something. This makes it a very easy weapon to acquire results with for a beginner aka an easy mode gun.
Stupid comment from one who wants to feel original...
kne217
Dont mix up "OP" with "easy mode", dude. The M16 wasn't OP, the ACE 23 isn't OP. But both are "easy mode" guns, which require way less skill to operate. I laugh at everyone who is abusing these weapons. They don't deserve any respect.
I play on the PS4 and yeah, the Ace 23 is the best all around weapon in my opinion. Though I prefer the AK12 for aesthetic reasons
ohhhh yeeeeh =)
Graphics Look Better On Ps4 Then Xbox and I Dont Wanna Buy A 2000 Dollar PC Thats What Bought Me The Ps4 Cause I Usaully Just Play Battlefield :D And Yeah I Love The Ace 23
it is, that gun is one of the best gun in the game, but I prefer the HK416 (M416) mainly because i have been using that gun in battlefield 3.
I have this on PS4 and I enjoy it a lot. I don't have the ACE 23, but I'm trying to work my way towards it. I just need 46 more medkit ribbons and maybe 100 assault rifle kills and then I'll finally get it. The assault rifle kills are easy, but for the medkits, I think games like Rush, Obliteration, and Conquest I think are good for them.
I have it now, as well as multiple attachments for it, guess I wasn't that keen on getting it at the time
M416 & ACE-23 are the best guns
true that!!
dont forget The AEK
i think the ace 52 cqb is the best gun, with folding grip and muzzle break, its insane
There's a hidden gem in support LMG's, and those are the M240B and the PKP. I've been called a cheater, suspicious, fishy, and other crap before with those 2. But it's really in how one controls their bursts when firing the 7.62mm LMG's. The key is to do 2-3 shot bursts while controlling the vertical recoil by dragging down a bit. They're actually fairly usable at medium and somewhat long range just straight up standing while using PKA 3.4x scope, Green Laser or Tri Laser, Vertical Grip, and Heavy Barrel (minimize the spread). I've gotten headshots even at around 200m on snipers with them through a series of bursts, it does keep snipers suppressed enough where scope sway may hinder them from getting a headshot on me at times. In a way, it somewhat feels like the G3A3 of BF3, although not quite.
But on the ACE-23, it's the tryhard gun and obviously the BF4 version of the M16A3 sadly. Personally I like the M416 a bit more than the ACE-23.