The Biggest SNITCH In Baseball
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- Опубликовано: 24 мар 2023
- The Biggest SNITCH In Baseball.
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What are your thoughts?
I absolutely HATE Mike Fiers
Innocent. He had a reason to give. What if it was someone like Verlander? Correa?
If you don’t wanna get called out don’t cheat in the first place
My thoughts are that you're the biggest douchebag in the RUclips baseball community hands down
@@scottwaldobecause you cheat your way through life just like the asstros
"Especially since he got caught talking to underage girls." That caught me off-guard.
Yeah lmfao people should be more mad about that than the snitching tbh
@@TStizzle19 No kidding
@@TStizzle19 I came here to say this
@@TStizzle19 Didn't he not know they were underage and once he found out he stopped?
The only proof is some attention seeker on Twitter with a screenshot that could easily be photoshopped. Pretty shameful for this guy to just throw that in the video without context.
You might as well blame it all on Jomboy. His video of the Fiers game blew up the whole thing...more than Fiers himself.
I don’t hate Jomboy for exposing the trash can system. I hate Jomboy for making up a BS conspiracy story about Altuve that’s made one of the most inspiring stories in sports history into a great man and player getting hated on for the rest of his career
Except it was the Rosenthal article in the Athletic that exposed the cheating. Fiers went to the press and Rosenthal and Evan Drellich published the story that led MLB to investigate. Jomboy just made a breakdown on the incident mentioned in the article where Danny Farquhar and his catcher caught on to the Astros stealing their signs.
Don’t blame Jomboy for that. Blame the Astros for cheating.
@@dark920 every team the astros beat in the playoffs were also cheating 😂.....
@@dark920 nah fuck jomboy
this is literally like a corrupt police department.
if your silent your hated by everyone, if you speak out, your hated by everyone and your colleagues and put a target on your back. the fact they said "oh wooow you call it out now? okay snitch" rather than thanking him for exposing it just shows how players will willfully turn a blind eye to cheating including fiers himself
how old are you. this is how everything is
@@ob0074 not really, whistle blowers if credible are touted as heros in politics for corruption, in the medical field your obligated to report, teachers are obligated to report, plenty of fields encourage reporting corruption or bad behavior, but in baseball its encouraged to cheat and be a blind eye to cheaters.
Well considering there’s been a ton of reports that have come out saying that the Astros weren’t the only team cheating, it’s not hard to understand why more people are mad at him than happy he exposed it
I think two things can be true. Dude could’ve done this differently. If the MLB knew and didn’t do anything then it makes sense to go public. But do it during it happening or get yourself out of there. Personally, good that the news broke, bad the way he handled it
@@breguera77 What if he was fine with it before and now feels bad about it later? Maybe he just grew up, and integrity matters now, when before, winning a champ mattered? people actually change! I dont know if everyone realizes this, because so many people want to stay the same through out their lives, they dont understand , that some people WANT to change, to be better people!
I am glad he opened his mouth. Let the truth be known. Yes sooner than later would have been better but in my eyes not at all is worse. Everybody's mad because it hurt players owners and baseball. There's a perfect solution for this problem. It starts with the owners. Owners do not turn a blind eye and pretend you don't know your team is cheating. The owners are making huge money and they don't care how they make it. Make the owners responsible for their teams actions. The owners have to respect the game and let it be known that if anybody on their team cheats they are fired. If you want baseball to be a pure and honest sport then make the owners follow the rules
It was worse than that. The cameras that all these teams were using were from live feed cameras in center field that were placed by the MLB for camera angles and replay. All you had to do was turn on the game live and everyone could see the signs by the pitchers. The MLB knew about it and did nothing. Then the MLB's proverbial hand was forced and turned the Astros into the scapegoats. This is all similar to the steroid thing, sticky stuff, and many other scandals that have happened in the past.
My favorite part about the entire scandal was that other teams *knew*.
The Washington Nationals during the 2019 World Series knew and they changed up all of their signs, and even faked tipping pitches (Steven Strasburg, for example).
It's no wonder they got away with the W.
The Astros didn't just cheat in 17, they kept on doing it until the end of 2019.
Wouldn’t doubt if they did last year either somehow
Everyone kind of new because of other teams cheating. The Nationals only knew because the Dodgers told two of their former pitchers, who had since gone to the Nationals, about it. Which of course begs the question: why did the Dodgers not go public? Or the Nationals, or any other team for that matter? Simple: because it was a systemic issue that was prevalent in over half the teams.
Also, the investigation showed that the Astros stopped the sign stealing halfway through 2018, due to the system becoming obsolete. So the Nationals’ efforts were ironically in vain (not like it mattered since they won, but still).
@@Gemnist98 The investigation also figured out that the Astros came up with a new and improved system to cheat. For example: Buzzers.
I think that they were probably cheating in 2019. However, the statistical improbabilities are really extreme in 2017. The increase in OPS by the Houston Astros from 2016 to 2017: 1B Gurriel .677 -> .817; 2B Altuve .928 -> .957; SS Correa .811 -> .941; 3B Bregman .791 -> .827; LF Gonzalez .694 -> .907; CF Springer .815 -> .889; RF Reddick .749 -> .847; C McCann .748 -> .759. Utility Marisnick .588 - .815 That's an entire lineup with improved OPS from 2016 to 2017. Five of the nine players set career highs that they never topped. It's insane. Nothing like that has ever happened in MLB history. Cheating at such a high level that it isn't even baseball any more. It's some other game.
And he didn’t put that in the video and what you said is fact! 🤣 like this was a Mike hate video. I hope he sues.
italk studios: Fiers is the biggest snitch.
Jose Canseco: somebody hold my clear and the cream.
Jose is easily the biggest snitch in mlb history
Both wearing an A's Jersey while doing it, too. Fitting.
@@MaddDogg316 never thought of it that way.
The A's were the absolute worst offenders. Conseco, Ricky Henderson, McGuire, and the Giambi Brothers, (I say brothers because Jason's brother Jeremy was said to be the teams supplier even though he didn't have a very well known career. The As ownership was fine with players openly injecting in the locker room.. Just a perverse culture of drugs and cheating. Fiers did nothing wrong
Yet, the people of Oakland proudly celebrate their 1989 World Series team while crying about Astros fans still holding 2017 near and dear. Talk about hypocrisy!
David Ortiz just hates snitches, afterall it's how we saw his name on a certain list.
A bullshit list.
Who doesn't
It was never confirmed that he was tested positive and after that test, he never tested positive for anything.
@@jonathanrecinos5894 snitches aren't inherently bad. Snitching on a child abduction ring is good. It's basically what going undercover is.
Yea a certain list that had no proof
I'm happy Fiers told everyone about the cheating Astros. It definitely forced teams to reconsider their cheating ways. That being said, it certainly doesn't make him a hero or anything, especially after waiting 2 years. I wouldn't trust him with anything if I were his teammate.
What do you think of the Dodgers and other teams who got exposed as cheating too? Were you one of many fans who only targeted the Astros and thought all other teams were innocent including Dodgers and Yankees? Of course you were. Oh but don’t worry, the media will protect these teams.
@TimmyK28 he silenced about that one 😂. Then, he said he's happy what Fiers did and what he said, yet he can't trust him lmao He only wants to hate on the Astros and not talk about the other teams 😂😂
If you are a cheater or a criminal, no one likes a snitch. But if you are everyone else, you should be glad we have whistleblowers that bring the corruption and the cheating to light.
@@CytoplasmicGoo …But aren’t the Dodgers, Yankees and Red Sox lucky that the media loves them soooo much that they keep silent and protect them lol. So what you’re saying is nonsense. If whistleblowers made all cheating teams suffer, only then it is fair. But that won’t ever happen. There will be scapegoats like Astros. Obviously if you know baseball, there’s always been some form of cheating since the beginning of baseball. Not saying it’s right but it was always part of the game just like spitting. Astros was just more clumsy about their cheating. Astros has moved on, won championship and don’t care. But bottom line, it hurt Fiers more than anything. That’s his legacy forever. Even if he was a HOF candidate, his legacy is a snitch. And he’s not even pitching anymore, no one wants him. Take all of that to his grave.
Just like the guy who snitched on the Catholic priests molesting young boys - he didn’t protect his mates so you wouldnt trust him, but it’s good he came forward like Fiers
Tell me your an Astros fan without saying it....
He’s a Red Sox fan.
You’re
@@Gemnist98 and it’s obvious cause of the Ortiz and Pedro clip.
You’re*
I am a astros fan. I said it without saying it
Recency bias got shown near the end of this video. The Astros scandal is far from the biggest scandal in baseball history. Don't forget the Black Sox was a thing, as was the steroids era.
steroids were not worse than the Astros cheating. Black Sox was though
If I'm going to point out the biggest scandal, its the steroid era. Not only did it happen with multiple players, but from basically a decade (98-08 is peak steroid era) with multiple races, notable players, records being broken, and all of that because of steroids? Its pretty insane to think about it
It’s the modern day Black Sox scandal
@@zikalokof1challenge414 but realistically, how much did it effect the outcome of the WS in that time frame? Obviously sucks for guys like hank Aaron, but they care about the WS 10x morw
Specially now that they learned multiple teams were cheating including Yankees and Dodgers
A fair and unbiased report on the source that revealed the scandal. As an Astros fan, the one thing I wish you would’ve reported is the home and road splits. Their numbers were better in basically every offensive category on the road where there were no cameras. The system wasn’t perfected which is why you can believe Carlos Correa when he says, there was no cheating against the Yankees and Dodgers. If there were, then Jomboy would have videos of games against his beloved Yankees, and not the Mariners in August. While stating he had a subpar 2017 season, you didn’t actually state that Fiers was not on the playoff roster. Many feel he was butt hurt and that’s what motivated him to come out public. As you mentioned, The Athletic story said many teams were doing similar things, but nobody would go on the record.
I might be wrong, but didn't he tell the Tigers when he got there and the Tigers asked MLB to invest it? When nothing came out of that, he went public because he knew MLB knew and did nothing.
Again, I might be wrong in my timing, but I remember that was why he went public 2 years after and not straight after
Yes. He along with Brian Mcann also allegedly reported the scandal to Astros management as well before they knew that the GM was in on it.
Even if that is true, still would be a snitch since he didn't want to tell MLB and Ken Rosenthal about it until he got his Ring and WS check
@@ethank4692 That's BS. Mcann if you looks at his numbers benefitted the most from the cheating.
@@scottangle574 Dude, multiple former Astros players including Marwin Gonzales said that Mcann was one of the most outspoken against the scandal. And if you look at his numbers, no shit a boom-or-bust hitter like Mcann benefitted from playing half his games in a top-5 hitter friendly ballpark. That doesn't imply he cheated at all
@@scottangle574 In the Cheated book, all the data is laid out. Springer cheated and benefited the most, Altuve was one of the least in terms of participation but still cheated.
Mike fiars and his cyclone-ish beard always has me cracking up 🤣
It's actually called a monkey tail and it became a meme for a short period of time. Look it up, it's ridiculous. That's Good Sports did a charity fund raiser some time ago and the kicker was that if he reached goal, he would shave one on for a week. It was glorious.
its a monkey tail...
@@Reaperherpderp kinda makes you wonder where the monkeys pucker is at.......oh wait.
Monkey tail lolol. That's hilarious.
@@Reaperherpderp i had a monocle stache once, but the monkey tail is another level.
@@nobeardthepirate9172, how the hell do you do a monocle stache? Let me look this up.
I don't agree with these people. You get caught cheating, you pay the consequences. People use the term 'snitch' to basically protect people who think the rules don't apply to them.
There is plenty of evidence to suggest the Astros were a sacrifice. Players like Bauer were exposing the league and the MLB was losing money year after year.
MLB needed this scandal to cover up the cheating and get fans back to watching
They aren’t mad that he told, it’s about the way he did
As an Astros fan since birth, I don't know a single Astros fan who is happy we cheated. The reason we get so defensive and mad is because it is clear from all the facts that MLB went out of their way to downplay the electronic sign stealing scandals of many of the the more "big name" teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, and Red Sox, and focused mostly on our team. For God's sake, Beltran, who the main Athletic piece says was the ringleader, is quoted in the piece as saying "your sign stealing is behind the times." Beltran had just been traded to us by the Yankees, where he had been the previous 2 years, and the Mets for another 6. It's the exact same playbook as the steroid era. Bonds and Mark McGwire we demonized as cheaters and singled out for ruining baseball; then all the reports came out that like 2/3rds of the league was on steroids, MLB knew they were and fully let it happen because all the homeruns were a ratings boom they desperately needed after the disaster of the 1994 lockout. I'm not mad we got punished. I'm mad that no one else has been held accountable because MLB wants to sweep all this under the rug and pretend that they weren't fully aware of these schemes and did absolutely nothing before being forced.
@@CajunTexan1 exactly, as an Astros fan for my whole life I completely agree
@@CajunTexan1 like the black sox got "punished"? they didn't do diddly. former coaches don't count and what was it like one draft pick?
Everyone cheats but those who get caught red handed are scrutinized. Those who don't get caught often join the scrutinizing.
No team in history has cheated like the 2017 Astros. The increase in OPS by the Houston Astros from 2016 to 2017: 1B Gurriel .677 -> .817; 2B Altuve .928 -> .957; SS Correa .811 -> .941; 3B Bregman .791 -> .827; LF Gonzalez .694 -> .907; CF Springer .815 -> .889; RF Reddick .749 -> .847; C McCann .748 -> .759. Utility Marisnick .588 - .815 That's an entire lineup with improved OPS from 2016 to 2017. Five of the nine players set career highs that they never topped. It's insane. Nothing like that has ever happened in MLB history. Cheating at such a high level that it isn't even baseball any more. It's some other game.
I can’t believe the fiers has become the bad guy in this.
I think it's because of the timing. He was a part of the team that was cheating, but decided to speak up when he was well off the team instead of when he was on the team and well-aware of what was going on. It makes it seem like he's saying "I was around when this was happening, but I'm not now. So whatever punishment is dished out, I shouldn't receive any of it"
He hasn't, the bad guys are still Bregman, Correa et. all
@@kylesherman895 no. Fiers is a bitch
He had a ton of problems with a lot of players, opponents as well as teammates. He was ok with it until he wasn't good enough to play for the team. That's when he had a problem with it. Acting like it was some disgusting thing and bitching about it...while using sticky stuff...
It amazes me how more people don't hate the guy.
Remember when Canseco wrote a tell all book and was sued and called a liar by the the biggest juiceheads in pro sports history?
Correa was so defensive of Altuve, I remember saying that either Correa was a true ride-or-die homie or Altuve must’ve known all of Correa’s deepest, darkest secrets lol.
LOL. I think your second thought is closer to the truth ! Rib discomfort from a masseuse at his house ? Nobody bought that one !
@@elli003tbh both of these can be true lol.
@@josebourdeth8919 Actually that’s true. It’s pretty much confirmed that Beltran was responsible for the whole thing, and Correa has also rallied to his defense. Beltran probably got some people not to talk about some of the more sinister aspects, like an instance where he apparently threatened Brian McCann in the dugout.
We not spreading blame. Asstros cheated and got caught.. that’s all on them. Blame the Sox pitcher that figured it out on the mound in real time.
Altuve was a cheat and everyone knows it. My wife doesn't want me to remove my shirt. What a POS liar.
In 2020, the A’s had ten regular season games against Houston as well as 4 playoff games and Mike Fiers was the only pitcher on the A’s to not pitch against them at all that year. This is despite him being available to pitch
rat and coward, the full pack.
Really convenient!!
Let’s call it what it was. He was on board with what the Astros were doing as long as he was on the 25 man roster, benefiting from it. As soon as he found out that he sucked too bad to be on the playoff roster, he suddenly had a problem with it and, instead of owning the fact that he was a horrible pitcher in 2017 he got bitter and had to take the whole team down with him because they “wRoNgEd” him.
I don't care. They cheated.
@@dwpalme2670 Keep crying.
Reminds me of the "We were bad, but now we're good" meme, haha. He didn't exactly demand a release on ethical grounds during the 2017 season.
Jessica Mendoza’s commentary is bizarre. Defending the cheaters over the whistleblower is the most ESPN shit ever.
Its all very weird... Why would he publicize sign stealing methodology while still being a member of the team- or otherwise sour the relationship with the team in the middle of a bad year? Ntm that he mightve been the first former Astro to mention it publicly, but he wasnt the first person to make light of the situation. If it was something people confided in him not to release, something he could reasonably solve, and he was the first guy to mention it and how it hypothetically worked, then even if that does constitute ratting out, there were no bans and the harshest sentences were given out to coaches.
He told the barber to get a rat tail but on the front 💀
Mike Fiers was offered a contract by a team in Taiwan (The Uni-president Lions), but he had some health issues. Since the league is called Chinese Professional Baseball League, it is easily confused to be a league in China, but actually it is in Taiwan.
All in all, Fiers is a snitch. As an Astros fan, it is terrible when your favourite team is depised by the whole world, and your favourite player is blamed by something that he may have not done.
The biggest problem is, it's obvious not only Astros had done this, but Rob Manfred don't give a shit about this.
Just like the guy who snitched on the Catholic priests molesting young boys - he didn’t protect his mates so you wouldnt trust him, but it’s good he came forward like Fiers
You need to add the part that Fiers would not ever pitch against the Astros in 20 or 21 after ratting them out and would always start a mysterious IL stint right before he was scheduled to pitch against them. Just the ultimate coward
So true!
Don't cheat baby.
Nobody is scared of the cheating Astros, in fact, the Astros were scared of the rest of the league for the entire year after 😂
You are talking💩
Nice armchair assessment Captain
Nobody got a lifetime ban, so I don't know about the *biggest* scandal.
Remember when he hid from the Astros afterwards💀
Bro was injury-prone
@@d0ntfeedphil447 was one of the biggest work horses for that team all year and in 14 games didn’t appear once? Kinda sus literally every other pitcher on the roster played a little against Houston
@@yermawm7917 I'm a A's fan so it's whatever most likely Bob Melvin did it to avoid conflict.
@@d0ntfeedphil447 well they got beat in four by Houston and he was sending in lesser pitchers to face them, so still a bad move
why does it matter? no players were punished individually, so he was being brave to speak out. he would have been punished if the team was punished too
Loving the content bro.
Keep up the hard work.
It’s been a fun ride from the beginning till now.
Looking forward to the future.
We're just getting started..stay aboard! 💯
@@iTalkStudios I got a ticket till the end of the line Brother 3D
I will subscribe if you cover current mlb content and not always covering the 2017 Astros it’s old already bud
@@merkeymerk6029 he does. Go watch the most recent videos :)
He didn’t include crucial information. Sorta defamation
This guy is obviously a huge Astros fan
So people are actually being mad at someone because they exposed cheaters🤦
It wasn't that they exposed to hold sign stealing scandal, even though that tactic has been around for a very long time and can be used in different ways, but it was the way was blown out of proportion. Not to mention players from different teams have came out and said that Houston the only team to do it.
exactly
Cheaters who still won a World Series and they ain’t the only one but ok
Mike Fiers is a cheater since he was part of thay team, and didn't say nothing about it until he got his WS Ring, and Bonus money which is the definition of a snitch
@@manzac112 lmao blown out of proportion? They cheated using a damn camera in center field. No a tactic where a coach or player on the FIELD was doing it. Don’t try to downplay what happened when Astros weren’t the only ones to cheat but they were brash enough in the way they did and have seemingly have been the ONLY team to use the system they used.
As an Astros fan, what pissed me off was him not defending Altuve, he should have told the world that he didn't cheat when he had the chance, I have no respect for him because of that.
I’m an Astros fan too, I already hated mike fiers for snitching but I didn’t think about that point you just brought up, so now I hate him even more
9:48 As an Astros fan, that’s why I hate Fiers.
Teams that cheat should be exposed plain and simple. Sure he’s a hypocrite because he threw that no-hitter using a foreign substance then pointed fingers at the Astros. That’s not a good enough reason to hate someone though. But preying on young girls? Creepy dude.
The people going on emotional tangents about how “it sucks to put in the work and lose to cheaters” or “I’ve played chess and it’s impossible to beat cheaters” are hilarious. Look into the stats of their regular season, cheating didn’t do shit for them
Funny thing about it was, Fiers allegedly DID refuse to participate in it, same with Brian Mcann. It's rumored (though never outright confirmed) that's why or at least played a part in the Astros declining both of their options. And even after that Fiers didn't snitch on them until after the Astros allegedly stole his signs leading to his 21 game loss-less streak being ended in a 14-4 drubbing where he didn't even make it out of the 2nd inning despite averaging 5.6 innings that season.
Additionally, there was the issue of the three notable critics (Ortiz, Martinez, and Mendoza) all had major conflicts of interest when discussing the controversy. Ortiz played 14 of his 20 MLB seasons for the Boston Red Sox, a team that was affected by the cheating scandal both in their manager eventually resigning and the team itself found to have been cheating as well prior to the 2017 season. Mendoza was a senior advisor for the Mets, an organization that was also affected by the investigation with their prospective manager resigning in disgrace. Pedro played for both the Mets and Red Sox in his career for at least 4 seasons.
Fiers is a pitcher, he couldn’t have participated in it. And he was let go cause he fucking sucked. There were a couple times where they banged for Altuve, and he flipped the fuck out on em for it cause he told em that he didn’t want it nor need it. Reddick was a another one that didn’t use it, but he didn’t snitch either
When I was the title had “snitch” and “baseball”, I know you were talking about Mike fiers😂😂
In the book Cheated, he brought it up in Houston and once again in Detroit and Detroit went to the MLB and the MLB didnt do shit about the Astros or Red Sox so he went public. The Jays also went to the MLB about the Red Sox around the same time and someone went to the MLB about LA as well. Just read the book not too long ago so the info is still fresh.
Also, all the player data was laid out in the book; Springer cheated and benefited the most and Altuve cheated and benefited the least of all the cheating players.
Fiers did the right thing at the wrong time... agree he should hand back his ring and his bonus, but to call him a "snitch" is dirty.
What people fail to realize is that there were three other anonymous former Astros employees who also “snitched” to Drellich/Rosenthal for their Athletic article after the 2019 season. Fiers helped give those three people credibility and expedited MLB’s investigation, but Fiers didn’t make or break that article. Had he not snitched, the Astros still would’ve gotten punished. MLB’s investigation would’ve just taken longer.
Who was the two employees? Your making stuff up
@@bryson1482 they remained anonymous, but Drellich did a Q&A in The Athletic and said the majority of the original article was written when they talked to Fiers. Drellich said Fiers was only one of 4 sources, but the only player or person who was willing to go public.
Yet when anonymous sources snitch about the Dodgers, it's "not evidence."
@@Icecreamforcrowtoo It depends on where the sources come from. The Dodgers never had a member rat out their own team. The Astros had four sources rat on their own organization. The only two sources that claimed the Dodgers crossed the line into real-time, electronic sign stealing DURING games happen to be members of the Astros and the Red Sox. Please tell me you understand why they’d do such a thing.
@@farhanfriedman9972
To start, Erik Kratz is not and was not employed by either Boston or Houston.
People gloss over the fact that Fiers was upset that he was left off the 2017 playoff roster and wasnt resigned.
He thought he did enough while the Astros were going through a tough stretch of pitching injuries and he actually pitched decent during that time.
It was all a childish reason
Honestly the real catalyst of the investigation wasn’t Fiers snitching. It was the jomboy video.
The biggest cop out complaint is the hindsight criticism saying he should have said something when it was happening, none of these players including Martinez, Ortiz or Correa would have at all likely said something themselves as it was happening, that just doesn't happen in the world of team sports...
As a Houston fan and someone who was born and raised in Houston, the most hated sports figures in Houston right now is Deshawn Watson, Bill O Bryan, Joe Kelly, and Mike Fires
O’Brien really doesn’t deserve it that much though.
And Watson deserves a lot more than hatred. He deserves to be castrated 21 Jump Street style.
Was it a coincidence that you and MTC posted your videos about Astros and stuff at the exact same time?
As an Astros fan in which a lot won’t remember, Mike Fiers for a month was actually our best pitcher. Ironically this was around the time the scheme started to take place. Ravaged by injuries for the other starters, Fiers held it down the pitching staff. And then the eventual regression occurred and obviously the trade for JV caused Fiers to lose his playoff roster. Believe what you want about him wanting to “clean the game” but Fiers had intent here. Noticed the report came out after Hinch publicly called out the Yankees to put their name in sign stealing accusations they made in game 2 of the ALCS. Fiers found his opportunity to expose the Astros.
So basically he’s Floyd Landis, a pathetic little grass
Yup
The guy got everything he wanted handed to him while being mediocre. There's nothing more than a spoiled child syndrome here. The moment he quits benefiting is the moment he comes clean is not somebody who you would call honest. And if you do you may have some house-cleaning to do of your own. I remember every time he would come up to pich, he and Pressley. I just assumed we threw the game away every single time. The guy's a coward on and off the field.
The Astros ruin baseball for a lot of people.
@@ohyaaa6181 we made it better.
For those who think Fiers was a stand up guy, you are wrong. Fiers was upset he never threw in the WS. This coupled with getting traded to a A’s team where he himself was using a spidertac and possibly other material. When that came to an end he was on his way out of MLB.
FFWD to present day more MLB players are admitting sign stealing was rampant among all teams, and MLB knew it.
MLB (Manifred) panicked. Hence his scapegoating of the Astros. Now he is claiming he should have suspended players. He knew he couldn’t then or now. Why as the you punish us we will force you to punish everyone.
Oh and PETE ROSE needs to be in the HOF!!!!!
Mike FIERS can’t even get hired to pass out hot dogs at a Grand Opening of a used car lot now.
As an Astros fan, I don’t hate him for exposing it, even if I think his motivations are less-than-noble. In fact, I’m glad his decision forced MLB to clean up the game (again). However, there’s been recent accusations of pedophilia, and THAT would really make me hate him.
Glad you are rational & understanding. yes, if he was a kiddie diddler, that would make me hate him too! but do keep in mind, the motive to tarnish his name as revenge.
are you serious mike is a pedo now thats a hard accusation to put on a man even for a pc of shit snitch i cant find anything on it where did you find this info at
@@inconnu4961 For sure. Though the fact he hasn’t played in MLB since 2021 does raise my suspicions.
Could you enlighten us all and tell us if he was prosecuted for any crime involving conduct with minors.
@@dmo6468 He hasn’t been convicted - which is why I said that WOULD make me hate him.
When you engage in a criminal act, you better believe that your accomplices are gonna sell you down the river if it benefits them.
criminal act? I guess this makes most baseball players criminals than because most of them have cheated at least once in the game.
@@scottangle574 So you are trying to exonerate them with an argument of degree!?!? They were doing something they weren't supposed to do, and one of them found it advantageous to tell on the others, so he did. When you and a bunch of others do something you aren't supposed to do because it's convenient for you, what makes you think they WON'T tell on you when it becomes convenient for them? ALL of you have already demonstrated that you have no honor. I will also add that if you steal something of value from someone else, that is larceny. Larceny is a crime. A full Postseason share for 2017 World Series winners was a record $438,901.57, while a full share for the Dodgers totaled $259,722.14. That's a difference of $179,179.43 per share. That means that 25 men had $179,179.43 stolen from them. I'd like to see every one of them charged with grand larceny and/or conspiracy to commit grand larceny ... AND brought to civil court to have those funds recovered.
that is a completely brilliant and undeniable response. nothing happened to these guys and everyone is talking about the whistleblower. certainly seems emblematic of the times and society we live in though. but with the type of logic and reason you've shown we might just stand a chance.
If you're on an MLB team that just entered a trade to acquire Mike Fiers, do you trust him in the clubhouse? On a side note, the Astros were definitely using electronics to relay signs to the batter, which was the ONLY thing illegal they did. Does anyone remember what the Astros record was that year? What their home/road split was? If my memory serves me correctly, they were 5 games BETTER on the road than at home. Knowing what pitch was coming hurt them more than helped them.
Technically, they never used electronics to relay signs to the batter. They used the trash cans. The electronics used were the center field television cameras and a monitor in the dugout.
Keep up the good work
The Stros have been straight Feir 🔥 since 2017
I didn't know that Fiers had an interest in the minor leagues.
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This is like my 5th video already and I just discovered you lol. You make great content man. Your channel will blow up. Just give it time
In Baseball the saying goes "if you ain`t Cheating you ain`t trying" Just ask the great Gaylord Perry! Allegedly. LOL!
Fiers got a nike swoosh as faical hair in that thumbnail 😆
It's called a monkey tail and it had a short time where it was just a meme thing people were doing to be funny. Then people were using it as a punishment for all sorts of things.
I've competed in chess tournaments at the highest level against gifted individuals and I've gone online and played against people using computer programs that I have little to no chance to actually beat. I think from that point of view I can understand how the pitchers who had to face the Astros while this was happening must've felt.
It sucks hard to put in the long hard hours and the work and the practice to become good and skillful at something and face against technology that can just brush that aside. It makes you second guess yourself when any form of competition is about confidence. In that sense the Astros took away something from the pitchers they faced and the spirit of the game, that's the only crime here, against the sport.
Its not like there was a single annullment or ban, and the suspensions seemed to only apply to coaches (who are likely peripherally involved at best unless it was their idea). I get that sign stealing has been happening for over a century and a half, but that was likely the first time any punishment was levied after the damage was done. It ruined the competitiveness of the AL West and theres an argument to be made that the scandal in its entirety ruined careers, but what's done is done.
Most teams were doing the same thing in 2017 including the Yankees, dodgers and Red Sox..the Astros got caught and were made the scapegoat of a league wide problem
Now imagine YOU start using a computer program to level the playing field. I think that's why the Astros did what they did. I don't think they would have done what they did if they didn't think everyone else was doing the same thing?
@@pancak355 There are plenty of people who do that. There are plenty of online chess rooms where it's nothing but programs playing against each other, and nobody even tries to hide because it's so obvious anyways so it would be pointless.
I wouldn't do that, nor should you be making that argument either unless you're ok with a baseball league where there is no element of deception for a pitcher at all. If you're ok with it so long as "everyone is doing it" then you're arguing in favor of it being the status quo across the board. No, I don't want to watch baseball like that and neither does anyone else, it'd be stupid and boring and it would eliminate the need for a pitcher to change speeds at all.
In the era of the three true outcomes, you really are ok with the game being dumbed down and homogenized that much more? In the effort to put out some cheater apologia that's what you're actually arguing in favor of lol
@@liberalismisahatecrime4385 I didn't say that's what I want for baseball, dummy. Please show where I said that. I said that because it's the most likely explanation of what was going on at the time and why the Astros did what they did. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit huh?
I seriously have a hard time believing this system really helped Houston. Hitting is already complex enough, imagine listening for a trash can bang over a screaming crowd at the same time.
This is the same guy that was sliding into minors DMs
The only people who use the word "snitch" are cheaters.
You have never cheated on anything? If you say NO you are also a liar.
@@Mr.PeabodyTheSkeptic What's that got to do with what I said?
The media labeled Fiers a “hero” for snitching. He destroyed the Astros purely out of spite.
So many people get upset. Every team since the start of baseball have always tried to cheat by trying to pick up the pitchers pitch. Every team. This is why the catcher gives so many signs for the pitcher. They all do it
Great job on the video
SNITCH? More like Whistleblower!
People keep saying that Fiers is “innocent” but he knew what was going on and it took him 2 years after winning his only ring to actually say something.
Yeah, i dont know exactly what to thibk of it all. But, one thing i can say is in 2017, Mike Fiers was not bothered by the cheating.
At least he said something at all, that’s a lot more than any of his teammates can say
@@wolfgabe8925 took him 2 years to snitch on something that literally everyone was doing.
He still spoke out. The mlb would not punish the 2019 astros, they would punish 2017! So fiers could have been punished
@@dodgerblue482 the Astros literally didn’t do anything in 2019
The denial and delusions of asterisks fans in here is wild. 🤡
Mike FIERS has never showed his face ONCE all the times Oakland played in Houston and when the Astros were in Oakland he hid also. He’s the biggest punk EVER. Why didn’t he give his World Series bonuses to charity and donate his ring to the Boy and Girls Club.
Hate the cheaters, not the person (and people) who exposed it.
you support rats huh
Nah, we hate the hypocrisy. The guy was cool with everything until he got shelled. That is when it became a problem for him. He never even gave the ring or money back. If he had spoken up about it while it was happening, it's a completely different story.
@@MaddDogg316 exactly... again 😂
@@MaddDogg316 So lemme get this straight: if you girlfriend cheats on you for a month or so with the pool boy, then feels guilty about it 4 years later, and tells you, are you mad she cheated, mad she told you, or just happy she is your girlfriend? because this is kind of the scenario. people do bad things, then there conscience gets to them later because of Imposter Syndrome! This is why what Ortiz & Martinez ( I luv these guys otherwise) said was so dumb & shortsighted!
Let us hate them both
I think it's better than saying nothing. Pitchers didn't really benefit much from it and I think he waited because if he ratted out the astros when he played with them, it could have nasty consequences.
Then why did he wait two years? Could've just as easily done it after the season was over. He wanted his ring; dude never once offered to give it back
Aren't pitchers judged by win loss records? Pitchers & the team as a whole absolutely benefiting from the cheating.
@@Mr.PeabodyTheSkeptic pitchers are not judged by win-loss records in the modern game. the win-loss statistic is not a good way of judging pitchers because of how dependent they are on factors outside of the pitcher's control. the stats I see most commonly used are ERA, ERA+, FIP, WHIP, K/9, and some more complicated ones that I still don't understand, but most people dgaf about the W/L record of a pitcher. Jacob DeGrom went 10-9 with a 1.70 ERA in 2018 when he pitched 32 games and 220 innings
Astros didn’t cheat against the dodgers in the World Series
Cheating gets you a beating. Baseball has a historic cheating issue. Big Papi... cheater. Pedro... not a cheater, but he didn't seem to mind the heroics of his cheating teammate.
A Rod
Apparently you've never heard of Jose Canseco....
A's and snitching on their own team, name a more iconic duo.
Perhaps, but Canseco didn’t mean to cause harm like Fiers did, he was just that big of a meathead.
@@Gemnist98 lol what? Jose's pettiness sparked congressional hearings. Steroids weren't exactly a secret, but if that "I'm not here to talk about the past" clip doesn't exist, McGwire at the very least is in Cooperstown.
@@MaddDogg316 Fiers snitched on the Astros…
@@smithsmith69, Fiers didn't become a snitch until he got into an As uniform. Two of the three biggest cheating scandals in MLB history were kicked off by snitches in As uniforms. Canseco against his team and Fiers against his former team. That's the joke.
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As a A's fan Mike Fiers telling the truth was better late than never. The problem was the League did nothing and gave Houston a "slap-on-the-wrist". He had some potential but injuries and being a creep ended his career.
The whole league was doing shady stuff. Haven't you seen the recent things to come out?
Yet INNOCENT badass Dodger pitcher Trevor Bauer was suspended for TWO YEARS! Because CROOKED MANFRED hated Trevor for pointing out that other team pitchers were cheating. Nothing was done to them, so Trevor started cheating himself. But the entire cheating Hastros received no punishment.
@@417fgayet none of them went as far as the Astros did and they won a WS off cheating
@@dark920 - errbody was cheating. Our cheaters beat your cheaters and then we dominated 2022 WITHOUT cheating. Stay mad.
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Red Sox Cheated in 2017 and 2018, Yankees cheated from 2015-2017. Dodgers cheated from 2017-2018. To quote the origional article that people choose to ignore. "This is part of a league wide issue?" Many many MANY players came out to defend the Astros. This is old, and it's sick, and VINDICATION happened, and I'm done with people thinking they can wash their hands clean of all the shit thrown at us. Anything recieved from Astros fans is 100% deserved.
Don't take your eye off the ball MLB should have taken that championship away they not only cheated the Yankees and Dodgers but all of the millions of fans they represented.
Most people: "Our society is so immoral. The world is going to hell. All the cheating and lying." Blah blah blah
Also most people: "I hate snitches!"
As for me, as a Dodgers fan, I just don't care about it any more. It was 6 years ago. The Astros didn't make us faceplant against the Padres last year. Time to move on.
It's easy to say that now that we know the Dodgers also cheated in 2017 and lost.
Nah, lets NOT move on! Lets keep talking about this until people realize either you put the integrity back in the sport, or its JUST as fake & phony as WWF-style wrestling!
@@Nami I love how there is so little evidence, and you act like it vindicates the astros in any way 😂
@@dodgerblue482 Oh my god, this motherfucker has "Dodger" in his name and expects anyone to take him seriously.
Astros had prime Springer, prime Correa, prime Altuve, Alex Bregman, Justin Verlander, and Charlie Morton, as well as several other solid players, and people are surprised they won the World Series
The Astos and the Blacksox forever side by side as two of the ugliest marks on baseball history.
Everybody hates a snitch; everybody also hates a cheater.
Hey hey! Go easy on my Tigers! Lol
More bench clearing in MLB: I approve
Astros fans and players mad at him for telling the world their cheaters lmao have so shame
My Astros keep winning that in its self ought to tell you that everyone was cheating.
This is gonna break his heart when he watches it later
It's not snitching. It's reporting.
No team in history has cheated like the 2017 Astros. The increase in OPS by the Houston Astros from 2016 to 2017: 1B Gurriel .677 -> .817; 2B Altuve .928 -> .957; SS Correa .811 -> .941; 3B Bregman .791 -> .827; LF Gonzalez .694 -> .907; CF Springer .815 -> .889; RF Reddick .749 -> .847; C McCann .748 -> .759. Utility Marisnick .588 - .815 That's an entire lineup with improved OPS from 2016 to 2017. Five of the nine players set career highs that they never topped. It's insane. Nothing like that has ever happened in MLB history. Cheating at such a high level that it isn't even baseball any more. It's some other game.
By contrast, of the regular players on the 2018 Red Sox team, only three improved their OPS over the prior year - Bogaerts, Benintendi and Betts - and only Betts had the best year of his career. Six of the nine regular players actually decreased.
The worst was in the World Series. Just one example, Kershaw threw 51 off speed pitches and the Astros swung and missed at ZERO of them. Someone ran a computer sim, and the odds of that happening were 128,061 to 1. So it would take 4266 years and it MIGHT happen again. Just absurd - why even play the game.
I can’t believe that “people are over” the Astros cheating their way to a championship with ZERO consequences but we are still here shaming the guy who was eventually honest about it. Because he didn’t continue being a liar like the rest of his teammates. Man f these narratives
You're Naive if you think Astros organization got 0 punishment + Mike Fiers is no hero since he was part of thay team, and didn't say nothing about it until he got his WS Ring, and Bonus money which is the definition of a snitch
@Bryson lost two draft picks and the gm got fired/fined? Big fucking deal. Should have gotten more. Don't give a shit if "everyone " else was doing it. The stupid ass asterisks got popped and everyone from Texas is butthurt about it. Shut up. Lol
Astros lost a manager, a GM, several high draft picks, and a shit ton of money:
Some rando on the internet: they didn't even get punished. 🤦🏻♂️
@@MaddDogg316 some rando post the shit punishment for cheating their way to a championship. Lol
@@mikescott9806 and you mad your cheating team lost too, boo hoo we beat y’all at the game where cheating is how you win
I always disliked fiers for snitching on the Astros because he waited until 2 years later after he got paid
The astros did not cheat against the dodgers, or any of the playoff teams lol
Nobody likes a snitch even in sports
you forgot to post the game in 2019 where the Astros lite him up. After that outing I believe that's when he wanted to talk about what they did.
And they weren't even cheating by 2019.
I knew the A's were doomed the moment they re-signed this guy.
Goes to Ortiz and Pedro Martinez quotes like they’re baseball’s moral compass.
“Someone who benefited from it” to a bad pitcher who didn’t need signs because he didn’t hit
Don't make a snitch out to be a bad thing.
Pretty sad that this guy is going to be remembered for that. I don’t think he’s a bad teammate for saying anything because everyone who thinks he is would’ve done the same thing. Whistleblowers get the most attention (I mean when they tell on the business or organization they usually are kept anonymous for that reason). Definitely shows some hypocrisy by not saying anything till he left but also big papi took peds and never brought that up again and is a hofer…. Kinda just calling the kettle black😂
I think it is part of the Astros clubhouse culture created by Luhnow, Cora and Beltran in 2017. Like a Mexican cartel. Even guys who didn't want to go along, who wanted to live honestly, like Altuve, were forced to go along. It was really corrupt.
The 2017 Astros are not the biggest scandal in baseball history.
I'd argue the PED scandal with that lab that was making the "clear" or whatever is, because so many players were using it. And probably intentionally fully aware of what it was, although kind of aware that it wasn't legit.
Jomboys breakdown was just a breakdown of the facts he was given, and evidence shows that he was right.
Exactly
As a Yankees fan, I can assure you we have not forgotten about the Astros cheating. It's a forever type of stigma
Bet you remembered getting swept though. 😂😂😂
swept by known cheaters? Yep
@@Omar_listenin yeah the Yankees never cheated before. Good one. Got anything else? Y’all suck
Didn’t their methods come from y’all’s clubhouse?
@@Omar_listenin there were 3 remaining astros players that cheated that swept y’all… think about that
Fires might be many things, but upholding the integrity of the game, however delayed, is a good thing.