'China is turning into a police state' says Lord Patten
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- China's President has insisted that the "one country, two systems" arrangement in Hong Kong is working.
Xi Jinping has been leading events marking 25 years since Britain handed the city back to Beijing.
But critics say the system has been fundamentally undermined by China's national security law , which has led to the arrest of countless pro-democracy campaigners.
Lord Patten, the UK's last governor of Hong Kong, back in 1997 speaks to Sky's Mark Austin.
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When hasn’t china been a police state?
why China got less prisoners than USA?
USA is a different country. It is treating prisoners as its slaves in this morlden world.
China has ALWAYS been a police state since the Spring and Autumn Era in 590 BC !
@@lvjinbin28 Why ? Because China is already a one big state prison by itself ! Wher else can we find any prisoner get wondering on the streets ?!
@@canman5060 the funniest joke for today, u r so cute
"flawed optimism" is an accurate conclusion. Lord Patten's guys knew it well, BBC made a program with them in mid-90s.
@USA Dream House but i guess they are good at doing this
As an American (mostly Taiwanese & Filipina) , he is right on all fronts. Sadly when the "lease" was first written, it was not expecting to give Hong Kong back to Communist rulers.
@@NikkiRowCoxx thatcher should be blamed, she was weak and tired, her speeches in early 80s can still be found
@@3066961 Yes, but she would also risk breaking the lease. I just hope the best for Hong Kong & Taiwan.
@@NikkiRowCoxx
Taiwan fallen to West colonial trap ..
So is the UK, under lying Boris Johnson.
-_-
Ok...wasnt he a colonial governor?
Allah bless China
At least people in HK don't hate him, he is way better than Chinese mayor
@@tall7643 saxon trash
@@tall7643 lmao HK people have been cucked for a hundred years by colonial powers
big player in introducing democratic reforms
Lord Patten should be more worried about his own country
Can he be worried about both?!
Despite all we have been through here? Still a beacon for democracy
@@acthompson9983 So NOT a democracy.
besides democracy =MOB rule.
his own countrymen didn't vote for him the last time he stood for elections.
So we can break international agreements because we are Brits, right?
Ask India and the many colonies UK looted 😅
Pretty much was already a police state for decades!
true
Racist jealous west spreading lies against China.
Exactly 💯
So, never been to China and yet feels like empowered to state that nonsense......Funny......
@@hansweissmann_xviii6754 what ?
He's only just noticed this.
Indeed, China has probably been a police state since 1949. Modern technology only makes it more efficient and oppressive.
@@hymns4ever197 As if they read 1984 as an instruction manual on how to build a nation.
Here we go, pre war indoctrination.
Yes, manufacturing consent for war on China.
As if everyone doesn’t know China is a totalitarian police state already… well somehow that guy didn’t.
UK is in a mess. Hong Kong has a far better future.
Patten only got the job 'cause he lost his seat
China was not involved in the African holocaust. China is not responsible for the 7 millions Africans dying every year of poverty. The west are responsible
Hong Kong kicked out it's colonial opium drug dealing oppressors 25 years ago.
Hong Kong to Kowloon is 9km. New Zealand North Island to South Island is 24km.
How close does a country need to be one country?
Ask Scotland
'China is turning into a police state'. The nerve on this guy!. Hahaha!
read between the lines...
*CHINA is starting to do, what is only reserved to us the "the WESTERNERS"*
He meant US
I thought it always was?
Turing into? It has been one all along!
He's about 40 years late!
Just like the USA
and the UK
but US is a White country, CHINA is not... Policing the World is a privilege for some not others.
The USA isn’t a dystopian surveillance state subverting it’s people that read 1984 as an instruction manual on how to build a nation including genocide of prisoners of conscience such as Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners, House Christians and more in forced labour indoctrination concentrations camps with added organ harvesting on mass doesn’t have a good look.
Turning into?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣this dude been living on the moon for the last 4,000 years? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Police state is better than British state.
This is Chinese business.
Better? Most countries unlike China aren’t a dystopian surveillance state subverting it’s people that seemingly read 1984 as an instruction manual on how to build a nation including genocide of prisoners of conscience such as Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners, House Christians and more in forced labour indoctrination concentrations camps with added organ harvesting on mass.
Turning into? It’s been one for years 😂
For centuries. Main part of the Chinese DNA. I learned it for being a Chinese myself for over 65 years since I was born in China.
this people repeating all this crap all the time
UK isn't far behind
Same as Australia.
Ukkk is s corrupt, racist, and a druggie state. The Chinese police should be installed on UK street to fights against crime. As the UK cops are to busy pulling over black people, raping many Sarah or eating doughnuts
The UK isn’t a fascistic dystopian surveillance state subverting it’s people that seemingly read 1984 as an instruction manual on how to build a nation including genocide of prisoners of conscience such as Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners, House Christians and more in forced labour indoctrination concentrations camps with added organ harvesting on mass.
What does he mean 'is'? It has been for a thousand yeares.
The very thing misunderstood by most people, including Hongkongers, about The Chinese Communist Party is that their ideology does not comply to Rule Based practices, rather it is Power-based. As Chris Patton suggested, when dealing with China, 'punishments' would have to be part of the deal. Unfortunately, punishment is also power-based. We can see how much civilization has advanced.
He cried a lot when he left Hong Kong~ It was a funny scene~😁Compared with China, the UK is a small country and its strength is much weaker, and it is easier for China to punish the UK.
One party rule
Rule based practices! Slavery, Colonialism & Colonization are all evil things done by evildoers... [For honest truths, pls read my insightful multi-pages 'Ole Fella' comment at: "China-US tensions: A closer look at the Five-Eyes intelligence partnership / CGTN"]... By the way, China is a major participant and benefactor of centuries-long global,
- Slavery,
- Colonialism,
- Colonization worldwide, from North/South America to Australia/New Zealand to Siberia/Far-East Asia, to this day. 🤔
People like Liz Truss & Boris Johnson & Blair would never advance up the ladder in China. It's a merit based system.
Not true. Chinese is the most free in the world .
Whose rule is the rule based order?
Says an Australian news source. LMFAO
Sky News (British) and Sky News Australia are different news outlets with different owners.
@@Michael_Chater but both owned by rupert murdoch
China's always been a police state
Then about 300 people kill by gun everyday in USA. No more than 10 people kill by police on street in China per year.
Ever since ancient time. This is a main part of the Chinese DNA !
Frankly, HK British colony has mainly benefited the Billionaires Ruling Aristocrats, leaving majority of the Chinese working class with huge housing social problems not unlike GB. China will never tolerate excessive wealth billionaires ruling class
CCP will not even tolerate someone criticizing them in the slightest.
Not Slovakia?
So what is uk turning into then
Not like China or Russia... police here are softy softy making protesters cups of tea.
Wish they were tougher !
@@lucastaylor2321 we Need a tough police force who can grab these lieinv politicians from the throath and drag them to jail
@@waqasahmad8015 Exactly 👍
The corrupt politicians
City yobs & gangsters & dealers
Religious & far-right terrorists
I’d like for them all to get a kick-in
@@lucastaylor2321 I think as uk we can't point fingers at any other country we need to take care of our mess first and I fully agree with u
Not like China being a dystopian surveillance state subverting it’s people that seemingly read 1984 as an instruction manual on how to build a nation including genocide of prisoners of conscience such as Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners, House Christians and more in forced labour indoctrination concentrations camps with added organ harvesting on mass.
Hk was a police state when the British ruled it and oppressed its people
Uk gave Hong Kong democratic freedoms unlike China which is a dystopian surveillance state subverting it’s people that seemingly read 1984 as an instruction manual on how to build a nation including genocide of prisoners of conscience such as Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners, House Christians and more in forced labour indoctrination concentrations camps with added organ harvesting on mass.
Er no.
@@terrytong8665
Er yes. Maybe open a real history book and stop embarrassing yourself. There was never any democracy in HK in the 156 years that it was a British colony and the people litterally had no rights. It was a police state with a unelected governor in charge.
This old gammon seems to have forgotten quite conveniently that Hong Kong only got democracy 4 years before the British cleared out, and before that all of Hong Kongs leaders were appointed by London.
And it’s better now?
@@davidnoelfranks1124 As Prof Dorling of Oxford University condensed it so nicely:
Lord Palmerston sent the gunboats in to allow free trade. Free trade of what? Free trade of the opium we were growing in India so we could destroy the Chinese civilization because we were the biggest drug dealer the world has ever known. Why were we growing opium in India? Because we needed the Indians to raise some money somehow to buy the textiles. Why were they buying the textiles? Because we destroyed their textile industry because we had textiles to sell them that we were making in Manchester. Why were we making them in Manchester? Because we shipped people from Africa - because we encouraged slavery more than ever a country - over to the Americas so that they could pick cotton so it could be shipped back to Manchester so it could be woven and sold in India so that the drugs could be sent to China.
The fact is all British colonies were given self-rule around the 50s and 60s, with the lone exception of HK. Why was HK an exception? The reason for that is that part of HK was under a lease, and China, even as early as the 50s, had threatened to invade HK should Britian introduce real democracy in HK (source: see New York Times article "Hong Kong Democracy Standoff, Circa 1960"). At least in the post WW2 context, the main reason for HK's lack of democracy is China, not Britiain.
@@15lmk77 thanks for pointing that out clearly.
Liao Chengzhi, a senior Chinese official in charge of Hong Kong affairs, said in 1960 that China "shall not hesitate to take positive action to have Hong Kong, Kowloon and New Territories liberated" [by the People's Liberation Army] should the status quo (i.e. colonial administration) be changed. The warning killed any democratic development for the next three decades
Lol...turning into a police state from what?
Bit obvious what was going to happen, never trust anyone with a vested interest especially political parties.
I think once it is totally out of the control of the Western powers then the CPC will invest a ton of money into it to improve housing and modernise infrastructure so it becomes even more successful than it has already been. The man is deluded if he thinks he can rule it from Britain.
Turning? Lol
Uhh, they're already a police state. Have been for decades.
That Lord Patton is what a real life slave trader looks like
Brits like this still don't get why the Chinese object to being told to adopt democracy by the British. The people who fought wars with the Chinese for the right to sell opium to their population because they had nothing else to trade. Which is the only reason they were in Hong Kong in the first place. Kind of sickening.
The rise of China has made the colonial powers lose their grip over africa. The more China and Russia rises, the more the colonial powers lose their grip over Africa
It's funny -- the guy wasn't elected and calls himself LORD talking about democracy lmao I can't with these colonizers
Hong Kong unlike China wasn’t a dystopian surveillance state subverting it’s people that seemingly read 1984 as an instruction manual on how to build a nation including genocide of prisoners of conscience such as Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners, House Christians and more in forced labour indoctrination concentrations camps with added organ harvesting on mass.
Ty
Really nonsense to say HK is turning into a police state . Try to compare with ANY COUNTRY in the world that is freer than HK.
Right
Really idiotic nonsense to disregard that China is a totalitarian surveillance state that seemingly read books about dystopias like 1984 as instructional manuals on how to build a nation. The genocide of prisoners of conscience such as Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners, House Christians and more in forced labour indoctrination concentrations camps with added organ harvesting on mass doesn’t have a good look.
Out politicians dont mind trading with fascist dictatorships, that's the main problem
Because they are fascists themselves. Just look at all the laws they keep passing to turn the UK in an authoritarian and then a fascist state.
Oh.
A bit like the USA, UK and Australia then.
Chris should voice concerns for Scoxit and Nixit.
Cheers busy body!!!!
Turning to??? Or has been for a long long time?
The authoritarian attitude from China during this time is to maintain controle of its citizens. Thats alot of people to govern and failing to maintaining order could be horrific for everyone. There are aspects of communism that make that easier even if its not exactly right.
Atleast China has not receded back to the 16th century like Putin has with following the plans of Peter the Great. China actually allows part of it to be democratic as in the case of the state of Taiwan. No doubt China would protect Taiwan no matter the circumstances because they are kin
Look at what has happened to Hong-Kong over the past 5 years. This is what will happen to Taiwan. Taiwan is a free independent country with it's own democratically elected officials, monetary system and military. They have never been ruled by the CCP and if an invasion is carried out it will have devastating effects globally.
@@Featherface01 Nah Taiwan is the world’s chip manufacturer, even neutral nations would back up Taiwan.
@@V01DIORE Yeah that's my point, that's why it must be protected.
@Christina Evans They obviously have a vested interest but Taiwan is calling for the support of the US and other democracies around the world. I guarantee you'd prefer a Taiwan in partnership with the west as opposed to a Taiwan oppressed by the CCP.
@@Featherface01 No doubt it will be, Japan has vowed to defend Taiwan and the US is obligated to help Japan, US allies would help, neutral countries who also require the chips will support.
A state with no police? Where to find?
They learning from the Tory government in the UK. What he can or is doing about it?
Let's see how civilized Europe is when Russia turns off the gas. Won't be long.
So is Australia!
Turning?
Just like Uk belong to USA stage
The Uk is the USA’s old man, both sovereign but the latter is younger and more lively that provides help to such elderly else.
I'd be checking your own country Lord.
Most countries unlike China aren’t a dystopian surveillance state subverting it’s people that seemingly read 1984 as an instruction manual on how to build a nation including genocide of prisoners of conscience such as Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners, House Christians and more in forced labour indoctrination concentrations camps with added organ harvesting on mass.
This old gremlin means USA , I bet .
And?
Drugs?
Cause china already is a police state and then some.
Like most of the FREE DEMOCRACY west then 🤔
Food and living are more important than liberately. The peace of society is the first thing for development,the much lower criminal rate and safe society are much better than USA and Britain.
Why didn’t patten not know this was going to happen? Because everyone else did
look who's talking
So is England
England unlike China isn’t a dystopian surveillance state subverting it’s people that seemingly read 1984 as an instruction manual on how to build a nation including genocide of prisoners of conscience such as Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners, House Christians and more in forced labour indoctrination concentrations camps with added organ harvesting on mass.
What a pity
Isn't this the same guy who lost an election in his own country and then was exiled to Asia for a consolation prize posting of Governor?
There's a snitch in town!
And we aren’t?
No most countries unlike China aren’t a dystopian surveillance state subverting it’s people that read 1984 as an instruction manual on how to build a nation including genocide of prisoners of conscience such as Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners, House Christians and more in forced labour indoctrination concentrations camps with added organ harvesting on mass.
In other news.
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Turning into?
Let Asia stand together against China's continued threats
Which boy will be on the front line. Lol
He's only 20 odd years too late to figure it out
Come to Bihar, India. We r already living in a police state.
One question. When was the last time visited China? Yes Chinese cities have CCTV. But there are more CCTVs in London than any of the Chinese cities. So what's is he cocking about. He was well known for his anti China actions prior to handover of Hong Kong when he was the governor. He was very ungracious in his job.
How out if touch is this. China was a police state since inception.
meanwhile the uk is turning into one big ####hole.
Yep. These people are so blind from white superiority that they cannot see what's go on in their own backyard
More smears
Smears? Most countries unlike China aren’t a dystopian surveillance state subverting it’s people that seemingly read 1984 as an instruction manual on how to build a nation including genocide of prisoners of conscience such as Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners, House Christians and more in forced labour indoctrination concentrations camps with added organ harvesting on mass.
Is Hong Kong have the right to vote under Uk rule? ??? Your treaty for sale opium to Chinese during the 100 years of humiliation….
Shameful! Care about your own business. Leave China alone.🧐
Most countries unlike China aren’t a dystopian surveillance state subverting it’s people that seemingly read 1984 as an instruction manual on how to build a nation including genocide of prisoners of conscience such as Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners, House Christians and more in forced labour indoctrination concentrations camps with added organ harvesting on mass. The CCP is an abomination that makes a mockery of humanity.
This guy doesn’t turn into anything. He was born and remain a hypocrite for his entire life.
Closet racist too , they believe whatever whites 'built' is always better than non w
😂😂😂😂UK is a police state ! Kettle calling the frying pan grimly arse.
This isn't news.
Boo crying foul watch out for Scotland
The last HK emperor is crying 😂.
I should have put money on it...................democracy being stripped away in Hong Kong Autocratic state OF COURSE IT WAS INEVITABLE!! DON'T BE SO NIEVE
One China 👍.
Just leave China alone, their way of living and their way of governing for them to decide. Hence why Brexit happened, to gain back control from external influences.
@Christina Evans Nato preaches a "good force" talking about peace and security. Trying to make others look bad to expand their influence. Most of us can see through this now.
Uh most countries unlike China aren’t a dystopian surveillance state subverting it’s people that seemingly read 1984 as an instruction manual on how to build a nation including genocide of prisoners of conscience such as Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong practitioners, House Christians and more in forced labour indoctrination concentrations camps with added organ harvesting on mass. The CCP is a black mark on humanity itself
Even if China is a policed state, a majority of their people have big improvement to their lives. Unlike the British, Western countries and USA in NATO are always involve in war with other countries, China is on a peaceful path.
For them countries are deemed a threat by the following.
1. Country has nuclear power
2. Country has economical power
3. Country that they do not have a crony of their own in power, are deemed unfriendly towards them. (Their efforts in stoking trouble have failed miserably)
Do the people who “have big improvement to their lives….” Include minorities like the Uyghurs and Tibetans for example?
Only a very small part of people who improved can't represent everyone in China. The poor people are voiceless.
@@liveitlarge68 ruclips.net/video/MJ_YjXe1S7o/видео.html yep all them Uyghurs seem oppressed there
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Uighurs and Tibetan enjoy higher living standard, healthcare, education, infrastructures, housing and job security. Best of all, they are safe from NATO bombings in the last 30 years.
Cheers 🐊 tears!!!
@@TheKkpop1 aren't they being thrown in concentration camps?
too late by about 60 or so years
It is rather ironic for a life long tory to be whining about hong kong being turned into a police state (after 20 of the Mets finest turn up to arrest a single demonstrator) and how perfidious the chinese are being when they refuse to stand by and follow an international agreement that they signed up to (a bit like the NI protocol I suppose). 🤣🤣
It is One country two systems,where the former takes precedence.
Do we need British rule of law when China is rewriting its own rule of laws as far as the sovereign of a nation is concerned???
Get use to it, hk is part of China!!!
Police state is way too mild. It's 1984 manifest.
Idk in 1984 did they use prisoners of conscience for forced labour and organ harvesting on mass? Might be worse.
Former colonial governor preaches democracy. Don’t make me laugh 😂
Lol 😂 this is old news !
Planned for the rest of the world
👍👍
Go China... British effect on hk has led to a free for all for foreigner companies while citizens have nothing
The rest of China is literally the same sold out to foreign investment, the CCP are just fascists now not communists, at least Hong Kong had a kind of Ireland kind prosperity which is such China coveted dearly as for why they didn’t wait the agreement out proper.
Hong Kong never had any demorcratic freedom under British colonial rule. Chris Patten himself was appointed (not elected) by the British Govt to become the Governor of Hong Kong. The Hong Kong National Security Law was written into the Basic Law (Article 23) as part of the handover in 1997, which China did not enact until 2020 in order to curb the violent protests in 2019.
Your paragraph stopped short - protests because...
The fact is all British colonies were given self-rule around the 50s and 60s, with the lone exception of HK. Why was HK an exception? The reason for that is that part of HK was under a lease, and China, even as early as the 50s, had threatened to invade HK should Britian introduce real democracy in HK (source: see New York Times article "Hong Kong Democracy Standoff, Circa 1960"). At least in the post WW2 context, the main reason for HK's lack of democracy is China, not Britiain.
@@15lmk77 Democracy is nothing but a system ..not a code of justice....this system hides behind the richness of the western world....imagine if there is no west...democracy would be represented by failed states like India Brazil Philippines. .....Democracy would be a joke
Liao Chengzhi, a senior Chinese official in charge of Hong Kong affairs, said in 1960 that China "shall not hesitate to take positive action to have Hong Kong, Kowloon and New Territories liberated" [by the People's Liberation Army] should the status quo (i.e. colonial administration) be changed. The warning killed any democratic development for the next three decades
@@rajeeb3500 ...although the extradition treaty was retracted but the rioters and anarchists increased their violence targeting citizens who voiced against their actions.
I believe many Hong Konger will agree 100% to what Chris is saying.
Sadly only half. The other half are brainwashed by the CCP.
Thus led to my exodus to Canada a few months after the Handover
She cannot be In any of help in Philippine peso
And depriving of food or not allowed
It's storage of food in a Puree Mango energy I left in ISS
Why USA and Philippines wanted Lead against all Nations
Speak after many had been lost hope
They have no money to cover All the debts they made
Europe Justice that is not achievable connivance on Enhanced Human body Success getting A country's history
How those Monarchs who they have copies of RNA acting in a bad attitude
"Turning into"? 🤣
Clearly this man has been living under a rock.
Hongkong is Chinas. Leave them alone. Stop acting like u owned it forever. It was never urs and never will be
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Was he in a coma for 50 years? Lol
Was lord patten elected by the people of Hong Kong?
Liao Chengzhi, a senior Chinese official in charge of Hong Kong affairs, said in 1960 that China "shall not hesitate to take positive action to have Hong Kong, Kowloon and New Territories liberated" [by the People's Liberation Army] should the status quo (i.e. colonial administration) be changed. The warning killed any democratic development for the next three decades
As if Chris Patten himself and the previous 27 Governors were elected by people of HK! Imperialist pretending to care about democracy in HK. LOL