I'm sorry, (but not really) a lot of people are not going to like this but I think it is clear that Patroclus and Achilles were lovers. Nobody kills that many people over a friend...even Achilles. Other than that though, it's a great, easy to understand summary of the Trojan war. Thanks!
It isn't clear. The novel never makes it clear. Even ancient Greeks had debates over this. Plato thought they were lovers, while Xenophon thought they were like brothers. Both bonds were valued in ancient Greece, so we have no idea what was Homer's intention.
@@Eleni1002 when Patroclus died Achilles said (I’m paraphrasing here but just go with it) ‘now you [patroclus] lie here, slaughtered; and my heart has no want for food or drink - only want of you’. I would say that’s pretty gay
@@mars-nf9cj As I said, brotherhood and companionship between men, especially warriors was valued back then. What Achilles said can be seen as that. It's not made explicitly clear what the nature of their relationship was and since two people who lived in the same era (Plato and Xenophon) had different interpretations of their relationship, how can we be sure about it? We don't even know if homosexuality between men was accepted when Homer wrote the Iliad and before that.
Thing is too, Patroclus was described as being closer to Achilles than his own father, and that he was the one man Achilles loved more than any other mortal. There's a reason the term "Achillean" exists
Thanks for a great summary of the Iliad and the Odyssey - quick but surprisingly complete --- containing the essential big events and ideas! We read excerpts of the Iliad in early December and I will show this to my HS students --- to jumpstart their brains after Winter Break! Many thanks! PS - I do not see any of the sound issues noted in some of the comments - sounds great to me!
A very brief summary but well done. The beauty of the work in my heart is in the poetry of of the original writing, not a soap opera with kiddy animations for the hard of reading
The works of the great poet, Homer, are filled with words that not only survive in Albanian, but continue to be used. From Homer you can get not only words, but also phrases that possess all the signs of a typical Albanian expression. If someone were to interpret Homer from the Albanian language perspective, much light would be shed on the works of that famous poet. Between Homeric and Albanian sentences there is a striking resemblance in expression, phraseology and sentence structure. A study of this nature would help interpret Homer, since the Albanian language is older than that of Greece (Science Magazine 2023), much can be learned about the influence of this [Albanian] on Homeric and later Greek. Title: Unconquerable Albania Author : Christ Anton Lepon Publisher: Chicago, Albanian Liberation Committee, 1944
I have studied Homer's 'Iliad' when I was doing my BA in Classics at the University of Ottawa in Canada in 2010. I like the story. It was interesting. The video sounds lousy.
Now the TRUTH: The 2ND most common ancient document in the world is Homers Iliad. Ppl who went to college had to read it. 1st place goes to the New Testament: theres 25k extant copies TODAY! 4x's more than any other piece of ancient literature of which theres 643 - the oldest is from the 13th c. A.D. - Homer wrote in the 8th c. B.C. To date theres still uncertainty as to whether Homer authored or ever said any of whats written.
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1:34 best 'friend' yep that's all they were, just good ol' pals, totally platonic, they definitely weren't in love with each other or anything, nop
He was he’s cousin according to homer
@@aretipapadioti9155 The Sailor Moon kind of cousin?
there is actually no evidence that they were lovers in the illad
ppl just assumed that, because bromance in greek military was a practice.
People today are way too quick to attribute brotherhood to homosexuality. There was plenty of gay in the ancient world without that.
Pov: the only reason you are watching this because it's for school
*H-how did you know-
*Also yeah XD
Yeah ...
Same, I’m in class right now
Yes
Mhm
I learn more than my teacher explaining, this for 2 hours straight.
ATLEAST you have a subject for Greek Mythology that’s my favorite topic
yOU'VE GOT A FRIEND IN ME, *_yOu'Ve_* *_GOT A FRIEND IN ME_*
Some random person he literally had a "friend" in him 😔
TROY STORY
I'm sorry, (but not really) a lot of people are not going to like this but I think it is clear that Patroclus and Achilles were lovers. Nobody kills that many people over a friend...even Achilles. Other than that though, it's a great, easy to understand summary of the Trojan war. Thanks!
Could u please give me the moral lesson that we gain from the myth troy
I have it in my english the exam
It isn't clear. The novel never makes it clear. Even ancient Greeks had debates over this. Plato thought they were lovers, while Xenophon thought they were like brothers. Both bonds were valued in ancient Greece, so we have no idea what was Homer's intention.
@@Eleni1002 when Patroclus died Achilles said (I’m paraphrasing here but just go with it) ‘now you [patroclus] lie here, slaughtered; and my heart has no want for food or drink - only want of you’. I would say that’s pretty gay
@@mars-nf9cj As I said, brotherhood and companionship between men, especially warriors was valued back then. What Achilles said can be seen as that. It's not made explicitly clear what the nature of their relationship was and since two people who lived in the same era (Plato and Xenophon) had different interpretations of their relationship, how can we be sure about it? We don't even know if homosexuality between men was accepted when Homer wrote the Iliad and before that.
Thing is too, Patroclus was described as being closer to Achilles than his own father, and that he was the one man Achilles loved more than any other mortal. There's a reason the term "Achillean" exists
Achilles' "best friend" Patroclus
omg I can't keep track of all these names. I'm just here for some background knowledge on Ransom by David Malouf lol
Why bother having names if all Homer does is refer to people as son of or daughter of all the damn time sheesh
they didn't have last names? lmfao
thank you, im reading the book for school and nothing is going into my head
omg same
Thanks for a great summary of the Iliad and the Odyssey - quick but surprisingly complete --- containing the essential big events and ideas! We read excerpts of the Iliad in early December and I will show this to my HS students --- to jumpstart their brains after Winter Break! Many thanks! PS - I do not see any of the sound issues noted in some of the comments - sounds great to me!
A very brief summary but well done. The beauty of the work in my heart is in the poetry of of the original writing, not a soap opera with kiddy animations for the hard of reading
No mention of Trojan horse?
What animation app did you use to make this?
Everyone else: Achilles is great and Hector is awful for killing Patroclus!
Me: *actually dislikes Achilles and likes Hector*
Omg someone who agrees with me 😭
Exactly
*_YOU'VE GOT A FRIEND IN HORSE_*
You DO NOT HAVE A FRIEND IN HORSE!!
Why school WHY
Hey my teacher linked me this video hey everyone from my class
Bu videoyu kanalımızda kullanabilir miyiz ?
Katipzade galiba bunlar turk deyil. Ingilizge sor san evet deye bilir ler
The works of the great poet, Homer, are filled with words that not only survive in Albanian, but continue to be used. From Homer you can get not only words, but also phrases that possess all the signs of a typical Albanian expression. If someone were to interpret Homer from the Albanian language perspective, much light would be shed on the works of that famous poet. Between Homeric and Albanian sentences there is a striking resemblance in expression, phraseology and sentence structure. A study of this nature would help interpret Homer, since the Albanian language is older than that of Greece (Science Magazine 2023), much can be learned about the influence of this [Albanian] on Homeric and later Greek.
Title: Unconquerable Albania
Author : Christ Anton Lepon
Publisher: Chicago, Albanian Liberation Committee, 1944
how can i download this
ah yes... Patroclus, Achilles's best friend... very good friends, nothing more...
sound hurts my ears - thumbs down to the trojans
This video was really helpful 4 me, thanks yaa.❣❣
I thought that Patroclus was actually Achilles boyfriend....
Brilliant! Please do one on the Trojan Women.
You’ve got a friend in horse
I have studied Homer's 'Iliad' when I was doing my BA in Classics at the University of Ottawa in Canada in 2010. I like the story. It was interesting. The video sounds lousy.
Could u please give me the moral lesson that we gain from the myth troy
I have it in my english the exam
Well told ❤
What about the horse?
1:11
its literally midnight and I somehow ended up here? cool video though
Now the TRUTH: The 2ND most common ancient document in the world is Homers Iliad. Ppl who went to college had to read it. 1st place goes to the New Testament: theres 25k extant copies TODAY! 4x's more than any other piece of ancient literature of which theres 643 - the oldest is from the 13th c. A.D. - Homer wrote in the 8th c. B.C. To date theres still uncertainty as to whether Homer authored or ever said any of whats written.
Could u please give me the moral lesson that we gain from the myth troy
I have it in my english the exam
bts lover nice try to get someone to help u out with work XD
This is our War like the Trojans and Spartans to fight against the Roman Devil Empire and Duel against the evil Royal Pain.
12:41 feelsbadman k-12
I’m watching this because it’s in the news paper crossword puzzle
To those who are using this for essay... There was a bit more to the story.
I'm glad some other channels are touching on Iliad. That's what my entire channel is about. It isn't censored though.
Did this narator also narrated Rome Total War Alexander?
Hi St. Francis😜😜
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nice animation
Is Paris a boy or girl?
Trans boy
Boy its a greek name dumpass
A boy
arkadaş hikaye bizim topraklarda geçiyor Türkçe altyazı yok
i just had to write a whole account on tis thing
Ms. Ridgway sent me here.
i like the voice...
where is their chins at?
Whose here for school!!!!!
me for my report
Me, im in class right now
Hector and Achilles both don't look more like Brad Pitt and Eric Bana.
Hi ytyg
hi grade 10 imma students uwu 😻😻
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Snowfall brought me here.
star wars
Pov your here because of a book🤭
Baka St. Isabel na nanonood din dine hahahaa👍🏻
hi fuuuu
@@angelineuntalan_ inamooo HAHHAHAHA
St. Isabel here🙌
higher level english represent
Mid
You’ve got a friend in horse