@@JetFire9I mean that’s a pretty awful take. He was consensus top ten in Houston, what happened was he missed two years of football and is clearly checked out now
Yeah like, I don't know where the line in the sand is, but when nearly 30 people are all accusing you of the same thing, it's hard not to think at least one is telling the truth
@@brocksells197 and the thing is if one of them gets thrown out then people who want to defended him will hang on to that and ignore the actual victims
The Browns poorly mismanaged the Deshaun Watson deal and it’s more of the fact that they didn’t get more value from a possible Baker trade value and should’ve waited for the Texans to let him go. I’ve personally would have never got him in the first place with the Allegations.
Where were you when I was trolling Browns fans 3 years ago?? Every single Browns fan was creaming their pants to have Watson and made excuses for his bad play and horrible off field actions. You were one of them, trust me.
Gave up on Baker way too quickly should have force him to get the surgery and have him sign a one year contract to try again next year and show his quality. Baker was a lovable underdog. He had issues personality wise and wasn’t a perfect player but the way they dumped him was plain dumb. He was the kind of guy that fans rally behind. I’m a Vikings fan and I love the guy he has this underdog vibe mixed with the unlikely success story and a gritty personality. Funnily enough that’s what the Browns were supposed to be the year Baker lead them to the best year in over two decades.
@@icecoldpolitics8890And honestly even if they had to give up on Baker.... Browns fans and media keep suggesting that we can't compare the two because baker wasn't going to succeed there anyways.. b*******. They made a specific choice to get rid of one quarterback and then pursue another. So the comparison between Mayfield and Watson will exist so long as the two players are active. Although who knows how much longer Watson will even be in the league at this point. Although they'll probably be paying him for a long time. Even if they are able to pull off some kind of buyout because of his legal issues
@@mcdirty764 As A Texans, I remember and was definitely surprised by it. I thought surely no self respecting team would still want to part with multiple first rounders after the PR nightmare the Texans dealt with the longer he stayed on their roster. Turns out I gave NFL teams WAY too much credit.
Perna jokes about trading to get Flacco back, but that is genuinely what a lot of us Browns fans want lol. I didn’t even wanna drop him in the first place, but they were worried about the whole “QB controversy who’s the starter” thing. Well look where we are now lol.
Yeah although you would have to convince another AFC team to do it. I'm not sure if the colts would want to elevate the browns prospects. They could be fighting for playoff seeding in theory. I'm in obviously if the price is right but you wouldn't think the flacco would command much more than a day three pick. If it was being traded from an NFC team it would make more sense
If a 40-year old is still good enough to be in a QB competition with a guy you signed for 230 million guaranteed on top of three 1st-rounders, you may have f*ed up.
Ehh baker has a big test Sunday. The reason the browns moved on from baker was not for his ability to beat the worst teams in the league. As a Cleveland fan I really liked baker but he won't have anywhere close to a 100 QB rating this week
As a Browns fan I hope to hell the Browns management and ownership has to eat every penny of Deshaun’s contract. I do not want them to get out of the contract. They were stupid enough to sign him, trade all of those picks and give up on a good young quarterback they already had. I hope they choke on this contract!
Same dude. I hope the lose out the season and are stuck with every stupid choice they made. I loved watching the Browns even when thet were bad. They finally looked reasonable then they did this. What a complete train wreck.
As a Steeler fan who grew up near Cleveland, I only root against the Browns twice a year … and the Browns drive me crazy. I thought Johnny Football was bad but at least he was on a rookie contract. The desperation and magnitude of the Watson trade was baffling. Baker played most of a season with a shoulder injury, went to the playoffs, beat the Steelers, and gave KC a game … and they got rid of him. Baker hadn’t peaked yet and he wanted to be here. Watson had to be lured here with a fully guaranteed contract … and the draft picks. And last year, it was easy to catch Flacco Fever … and he’s gone. As a Browns fan said in his obit … “I want my pall bearers to be Browns players so they can let me down one more time.” Maybe he should have requested the Browns front office.
Here is the craziest thing. That PR hit is much bigger than anyone realizes. Lets say (knock on wood) the Browns go on a miracle run. They have actually done it, and are in the Superbowl. The perennial losers and underdogs get a chance at their first ever Lombardi. Aside from the Chiefs, which says a lot of about the priorities of the sport, I don't think there is a single team in the league they could face that wouldn't have most of America still rooting against them. I would rather the Cowboys win another Superbowl than DeShaun Watson getting a ring. That's how bad the trade was to their image. From Lovable Losers to the Ultimate Villains.
@@tcdahn7 i mostly did it because this is my first year ever doing fantasy with my family, and I had CeeDee Lamb. Still felt wrong though, and my point still stands.
This. I'm a die hard Raider fan, for life. If the AFC Championship were between the Chiefs (my least favorite team, super sick of them), and a Watson-led Browns team, I'm not sure what I'd do, other than not watch the game.
@@bigbearkat2010because it was a Browns move😂 no other team gave an Alleged SA person $200 plus million guaranteed money What makes it worse was HE REJECTED the browns at first but since the browns were desperate to sell their soul they gave him an offer he couldn’t refuse No other team would’ve done that…except the browns….
@@jcbuckeye shieeet me too, who wouldn’t? At the end of the day the only people suffering from all this are the brown fans who have to put up with all the drama that comes with it…a shame tho since they are a passionate fan base
The browns really stabbed themselves in the face the year they kicked baker out the door. Just imagine if they had all that cap money and draft picks on the field. They are essentially playing with a handicap.
Yeah man I think a lot of people forget about the 3 first round draft picks. The contract is horrific - but if you took this Browns team and gave them 3 first round draft picks, and swapped Baker for Watson, they’re probably a contender or close to it. All they had to do was stay the course and they would have been fine.
@TheZoinx same. He had no one to throw to and they let him play very hurt. Once they got a different QB in and the receivers kept dropping everything, it was beyond obvious.
Back when they went 0-16 in 2016, everyone called them the lolcow of the NFL, which I disagreed with at the time. The lolcow of sports isn't a team that tries but doesn't win, it's a team that plays cheap, screws people over, and still doesn't win. Back when the Browns when 0-16, they weren't perennial losers, because they came back the next year, ready to try again. When they got Baker Mayfield, the team was winning, won a playoff birth against rival Steelers, and everyone was rooting for them. One mediocre season later, management threw him out like a broken toy, and even Baker wanted out, so you know that he wasn't happy with them. The Browns fought tooth and nail for Watson, 200 MILLION DOLLARS, guaranteed! A QB that hadn't played in two years because of injury and allegations of being a predator, allegations that still pop up! They were given another chance with Joe Flacco's miracle run, but dropped him to the Colts because he lost a playoff game they should've been lucky to have. Cleveland Browns, you might have lost a lot of games, but you weren't losers until now. You are LOSERS.
I would love to see Baker get deep into the Playoffs, just for the pure "fuck you" to the Browns. I never understood dumping Baker, who got them into the Playoffs in forever, for Watson.
As a Browns fan who’s been against the Watson trade from the start, I hope that they can void his contract. He should not be on the field. He should be in jail. Unfortunately money and fame talk.
They should have to pay every penny of his contract for gambling their future on him in the first place they knew about his issues and thought he would be " the adult in the locker room "
Absolutely not. The browns deserve what they get, they are always digging their own graves. The fans such as you do not deserve this, but the org does.
Browns fans don’t deserve as much of a pass of they’re given, and I say that as a Browns fan. We are starting to make up scenarios and treat them as fact to justify that this guy can still be a top 5 quarterback, and seeing people try to discredit Joe Burrow because we have to justify that all of this can’t just be for nothing is a level of delusional that even Cowboys fans would tell us to snap back to reality. It’s frustrating and this circus is absolutely exhausting.
@@bigbearkat2010 There’s two lines of thought to answer that question. The Browns were at least a playoff team during the Watson era, but he’s definitely a total shitbum for the way things ended with Mayfield. News flash, Jimmy: sexual predators are not adult-minded adults!
Not gonna give Browns fans a pass. They talked so much when Big Ben had his crap, and then just waved Watson's stuff away. Not to mention how they treated Baker on his way out.
I disagree about feeling sorry for Browns fans. Especially those not from/living in Cleveland. They accepted him when they could've booed him from the get go. Also just not supporting the Browns until he is gone or switching teams entirely was a valid option.
Yeah... I just moved to Cleveland a couple years ago and was really excited when flacco took us to the playoffs, but I think I'll be staying a bears fan at least till deshaun is gone.
No, a lot of us were unhappy with the latest fuckery in a nonstop string of fuckery. There's also people who didn't like it, but still hope their team will be good. You have to realize some fans are getting rather old and would like to see a reasonably competitive, winning team before they die. We haven't seen that since the damn 80's.
@@rafetizer I'm getting old so I guess cheer for the groper/rapist sounds like a perfectly reasonable choice. Almost like Republicans voting for Trump cause "they got no other choice". Yes you have and in Sports it's even easier cause ultimately choosing the team to root for is something you do almost exclusively for yourself.
To add to that: The people who actually celebrated were never rebutted. As much as Browns fans want to claim THEIR shit don't stink, you had people approving of Deshaun's abuses and nobody did anything.
There were so many fans supporting Watson initially. Remember all the disgusting signs in the crowd. Yes they didn’t have to support Watson. And it really seemed like they were willing to for a Super Bowl. I was highly disappointed in the fans
Nah man, while I can't speak for all of us(Texans Fans), I was giving him the benefit of the doubt at first. These types of accusations ruin lives, but then they just kept on stacking up... I imagine it was a similar situation with Big Ben and Steelers fans at first.
@@dinosquid9649 I don't think we celebrated the allegations the way that Browns fans did. They really did seem to take joy in being the villains of the league for a moment. With Ben it was more the standard ignore the accusations and slander the accuser cope, like with some Ravens fans and Ray Rice. Then again, when Ben got his suspension social media was not nearly as ubiquitous as it is now, so maybe we just don't have as much photographic evidence of Steelers fans being awful.
Look at this trade, everything says Haslam made this happen. The amount we gave him was insane, the number of people we fired to make this work. These are guys who Kevin wanted, and they've been fired for this guy to work, and he just hasn't. I hope once he's gone, we hear how much Kevin didn't want him and he's glad it's over.
According to Chris Simms, KS didn't originally want Watson (and Watson didn't want to come to Cleveland originally either). It apparently took a conversation where AB felt he could make a contract work long-term, and he and Haslem got KS to sign on. Though to be honest, all of them are to blame. What makes this even more ugly is pre-Watson, the idea was Barry, Stefanski and BP Paul DePodestra (the Moneyball guy) were supposedly all on the same page: Make the cap work long-term, sign complimentary players, focus on the early/mid rounds of the draft where most of the value is, build a solid defensive foundation, etc. That all went out the window signing Watson, especially to that ridiculous contract.
Yeah, I dont believe that for a second. Stefanski was abysmal in play calling for mayfield when he knew he was hurt and couldn't move. Jettisoning mayfield for watson was their excuse for having no competence. Fuck em all. I hope this team burns.
If Roger Goodell was a real executive, he'd kick Watson out of the league and bar him from ever playing again. It needs to happen. Do the same for Jameis too; I don't care how long ago his case was, he lost it just like Watson has so drop the hammer on him as well. I'm tired of men like them being allowed to play in major league sports.
Chris Long brought up a great point about how beat up Deshaun got in HOU . Not far fetched to think CLE may have gotten a broken down QB physically as well as ALL the off field stuff. What a joke.
I think he's crossed the same river others have, from Andrew Luck, RG3, Teddy Bridgewater, even go back to Chad Pennington, where enough injuries piled up early on in his career, he's just never going to be fully healthy again. Jimmy G may be a more current comparison, though he's a few years older than Watson. Jimmy's ACL tear was the start of it, but look at all the other small to medium level injuries he's had. Oh, he can still work out, suit up, throw a football, but he's simply not the same guy physically he was five years ago, and never again will be.
That says more about him as a Qb than anything else, he was sacked more in like 3 years than Andrew Luck was in 5 years. At a certain point getting hit that much is as much on him as a bad offensive line
@@coltsmith7292 Yep. You can't play every down like it's late in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl. Even Tom Brady and Peyton Manning threw balls into the dirt, dropped to the turf, before getting sacked.
If the player is great, the allegations disappear. If they suck, they reappear. It's almost like 32 billionaires are behind it. 😅 Luckily for the Dolphins, Tyreek is an unbelievable player because child abuse is even worse than his past domestic abuse case.
Yeah agree with you here. And Tyreek seems like another unhinged individual to be honest. As long as he is productive on the field the Franchise and the NFL will do anything to protect him for as long as possible. Similarities with Darren Sharper. They also tried everything to keep Watson protected. But know that He sucks at QB I guess that's over.
Nah fuck the Browns. I hope they’re stuck with that contract for the next 3 years. They made this bed now they get to sleep in it. EDIT: If they cut him tomorrow the dead cap hit is 176 million dollars. EDIT 2: Fuck the fans. I remember the signs, t-shirts, and legions of scumbags rushing to his defense after the trade. If you’re one of the good ones, find another team to root for.
Many of us were. But some of our fans are morons. Haven't had a better QB since Kosar. But he wasn't knock out elite so in thier minds he was trash. I love how wrong they were. But it sucks cuz I'm pretty much done for the year. Lol they say when he was average for 2 of 14 games that HE WAS BACK. All I see is a slow inaccurate clueless moronic person playing QB.
Problem was that the Baker thing was kinda tied into letting Gregg Williams go and elevating Freddie Kitchens to take his place. They had a winning combo going with Williams/Kitchens/Mayfield and they moved (or removed) two of the three pieces. It was like buying a used car, discovering it's running pretty well, and then deciding to start pulling parts and switching them all over the place for no good reason.
As a Browns fan I HOPE Watson gets paid every cent AND stays the entirety of his contract. It’s what we deserve for doing Baker dirty. The Karma has come due
Browns fans; I feel terrible for you. Browns office; you guys are just proving money does NOT equal brains. Basically, you guys are qualified to be the president (wish that wasn't a situation we've been nearly continuously been experiencing ☹️)
Its just a drop of pain in our sea of misery. Not just the Browns but Cleveland sports in general. I will always dream of the day we finally earn the right to hold a Lombardi. Stick it out to the end.
Deshaun was 100% a Jimmy Haslam move and is not an Andrew Berry- Kevin Stefanski type move. I put 0 blame on them beyond trying to make it work for their boss (an owner with liquidity, not just value)
They did sign off on the deal though, so they are not off scot free. However yes, from everything I have heard and read, it was Haslem who wanted Watson, no matter what.
@@PhilAndersonOutside look i know what you mean, that's just not how it works though, in any situation involving dictations from an owner of a business and a manager of personnel needing to carry that out. The guy paying the bills doesnt need their permission or blessing. Its more like "this is what we are doing" and the coach and GM have to then decide whether the job is worth it. They do as they're told or find a new job or instability shows. Owners sign off on risky deals made by GM's, but not the other way around, and that's why I said the only fault you can assign them is trying to make it work. There is no work setting where the superior needs permission by the inferior. The inferior is told what to do and they either do it or look for a new job. It's that simple.
@@PhilAndersonOutside the reason I replied the way I did is to show you what it's like when some responds to you without comprehending what you're saying. Your response to my original comment is just an echo of exactly what I said, just your own flavor of word choice.
@@LeDank nope. you cannot quit. that's where the fanatic part come in. you don't choose where you grow up. when you grow up in Cleveland in the Sipe/Kosar/Newsome era, you don't choose your formative loyalty.
@@LeDank I appreciate other teams. I love what the Lions are doing. I love watching Baker crush it in Tampa. But the orange and brown runs deep, my friend.
Watson was a Haslam decision. He wanted 'ELITE' QB play and was willing to do anything to get it. The only hope is that this new allegation violates the contract so that that team can release him without having to deal with the dead cap.
Funniest part to me is the Browns were in a fantastic spot. They made a playoff run with Baker where they beat the Steelers and played the Chiefs really close on the road. All they had to do was stay the course. The Odell Beckham signing was the beginning of the end. Then Baker had a season plagued with injuries and they blew it all up. But if you swapped Watson for Baker and 3 first round picks tomorrow (which is what they had originally), I think they’re a legit contender.
The only thing about this story that upsets me is that there’s no way for the Browns to continue having to pay for bringing a known serial offender into town and writing his contract to work around the disciplinary process. If there was a way that they could keep having to bleed the money for this contract, and the money just not going to Watson, that’s perfection
i remember listening to the Houston texans radio station the day after the trade and they where complaining about only getting three firsts for watson crazy how things change
Oh the Russ trade is still bad because of what Seattle got for him. But Denver had more problems than Russ being QB. You can make a case Watson is legitimately holding the Browns back at QB since he been there. And the trade also turned Houston from bottom of the league team into a potential Super Bowl contender
Why does everybody forget to really bring up the Baker Mayfield part of this deal? Is Baker Mayfield a top 10 quarterback is either right there or not far behind right now and Cleveland gave up on him because of when heart season after bringing them to the playoffs for the first time and God knows how long. That to me is what makes sense so much worse.
I wouldn't feel that bad for browns fans. Probably half of the was excited about the trade, and a percentage of that half thought he did nothing wrong to them women.
Browns fans should have boycotted the team the second Watson was signed. Fuck the franchise, coaches, players and fans. They are all guilty of protecting a predator.
Hold on. You go with the data provided at the time. At the time there was 12 and all the same lawyer, Buzbee, who makes contingency money off all settlements (1/3?). He took out an ad. And the DW Lawyer had strong evidence this could be extortion. Why did they ask him for sessions, dates, brag about felatio, after the alleged incidents. Then you have 33 TDs vs 17TDs. 4800 yards vs 3000. 112 passer rating vs 84. Did it blow up in their face? Yep. And as slimy as Buzbee appears to be, they should have talked to him. They only talked to DW’s lawyer.
So far, my season predictions are pointing towards coming true. 1. Watson won't make it through half of the season 2. Jayden Daniels will have better stats than Caleb Williams in their rookie season. 3. Aaron Rodgers won't be as good as previous years but better than last year. Lol
The language in the contract will not cover this one. The event is from 2020 and will not impact the 2022 or 2023 seasons - which is what the language in the contract specifies. If it affects the 2024 or 2025 season, then they don't have an out. This was left out of the most recent contract edit because 2023 is over. Basically, it looks like the Browns are on the hook regardless because it's not a new crime.
Browns fans can put up with a lot... but not a player who sucks. They can defend a sexual predator if he's going to be good on the field. They'll even build a statue for him if he can win a Super Bowl. But put a human piece of crap on the field who then sucks ON the field? Oh, hell no.
2:56 I remember when the first allegations came out years ago and my initial thought was "Oh she's just trying to get money." Then more and more and more women started to come out against him and I changed my opinion. Watson is and has been a two-faced lying piece of shit, I feel nothing but contempt for him and no sympathy for the Browns.
Even without Deshaun paying for handies and slipping into Arbys Big Montana's without consent, he never impressed me as a QB or a team leader. My friend actually called me yesterday and apologized to me. Since day one of this trade, I looked at his gameplay and was never a fan. His monster statistical season, I think they won 4 or 5 games. When I watched DW game, before he came to the Browns, he looked complacent and nonchalant when he played. He never looked like he was very interested in playing a full game, if a butterfly flew onto the field he would chase it with his arms to his side giggling wildly, yes I am saying he reminds me of a re t rdd person. I hope and pray that this creates a way to void Jared from Subways contract
Browns fans get absolutely no sympathy. None. When they brought him here, they trolled the women that he had sexually assaulted. Now the Browns hates the guy and wants everyone to forget how awful they were.
As a browns fan I wanna keep Kevin/ Steven no matter what, he turned us around and at what point do we pick a damn coach? His culture compared to the last 20 years is we make the playoffs every other year. vs no win seasons and a 1 win season before he was here
Everyone saying they whiffed on letting Baker walk, when you could still argue moneyball semantics and how bad of a team they would still be with Baker being broke. Let it sink in you could have drafted Geno Smith, held a private workout for him in 2015, and probably had your shot at him in 2021 maybe 2022. Dust in the wind 😂 💙💚
As a Steelers fan, I kind of feel bad for the Cleveland fans. Hate Watson, but dang. Edit: Actually, who am I kidding? Even the Browns fans hate themselves right now.
Maybe not the worst, but definitely in the conversation. I remember Watson destroying the Bears with his feet, for the Texans. He was an absolute beast. Where did that man go ? Don’t be a s*x offender.
Just a drop of pain in our sea of misery. Not just the Browns but Cleveland sports in general. Its been so hard. We dream of the day that we earn the right to hold the Lombardi. But I guess congrats to Houston, enjoy.
I do not feel bad for fans of my former favorite team. They all had a choice to speak up and show ownership they weren't happy and so many just accepted it. Real Browns fans quit supporting the team.
They need to just bite the bullet and drop Deshaun to backup. They can't get out of the contract, so they need to stop wasting time. Jameis may not be some God tier QB, but I guarantee he plays better than Deshaun.
I really wonder of the weight of pressure to get Watson from the owner down to the coach was exerted. Owner should carry the most weight and responsibility for giving the largest contract in NFL history, at that time, to a serial predator.
As a Texans fan, I disagree about this being the worst trade. This is the best trade ever.
It was easier for 400k people to fake the moon landing than the Texans faking Watson was elite! It was so obvious he sucked. 😂😂😂
lol
@@JetFire9I mean that’s a pretty awful take. He was consensus top ten in Houston, what happened was he missed two years of football and is clearly checked out now
Absolutely! Texans got clowned on for letting him go, too. Glad you guys got a stud with CJ Stroud.
Saints wanted him bad, I'm so glad Cleveland had all that money.
It’s just allegations…..
But 20+ allegations is an *entirely* different story…
He’s a sexual predator.
@BrotherinChr1stExactly! No reasonable person would’ve believed that the first couple accusations were legit! And then… Hoo boy, and then…
Yeah like, I don't know where the line in the sand is, but when nearly 30 people are all accusing you of the same thing, it's hard not to think at least one is telling the truth
@@brocksells197 and the thing is if one of them gets thrown out then people who want to defended him will hang on to that and ignore the actual victims
@@jay7568 Or even weirder the Deshaun glazers that try saying it was a Texans conspiracy to make him look bad.
@@bigbearkat2010so I in no way think the…. What 3k accusations? are false. However, if this was a Texans plan… my god this was ingenious!
The Browns poorly mismanaged the Deshaun Watson deal and it’s more of the fact that they didn’t get more value from a possible Baker trade value and should’ve waited for the Texans to let him go. I’ve personally would have never got him in the first place with the Allegations.
Where were you when I was trolling Browns fans 3 years ago?? Every single Browns fan was creaming their pants to have Watson and made excuses for his bad play and horrible off field actions. You were one of them, trust me.
Gave up on Baker way too quickly should have force him to get the surgery and have him sign a one year contract to try again next year and show his quality.
Baker was a lovable underdog. He had issues personality wise and wasn’t a perfect player but the way they dumped him was plain dumb. He was the kind of guy that fans rally behind. I’m a Vikings fan and I love the guy he has this underdog vibe mixed with the unlikely success story and a gritty personality. Funnily enough that’s what the Browns were supposed to be the year Baker lead them to the best year in over two decades.
@@icecoldpolitics8890And honestly even if they had to give up on Baker.... Browns fans and media keep suggesting that we can't compare the two because baker wasn't going to succeed there anyways.. b*******. They made a specific choice to get rid of one quarterback and then pursue another.
So the comparison between Mayfield and Watson will exist so long as the two players are active. Although who knows how much longer Watson will even be in the league at this point. Although they'll probably be paying him for a long time. Even if they are able to pull off some kind of buyout because of his legal issues
Did everyone forget that there was a bidding war to get Watson? Seems like it.
@@mcdirty764 As A Texans, I remember and was definitely surprised by it. I thought surely no self respecting team would still want to part with multiple first rounders after the PR nightmare the Texans dealt with the longer he stayed on their roster. Turns out I gave NFL teams WAY too much credit.
Perna jokes about trading to get Flacco back, but that is genuinely what a lot of us Browns fans want lol. I didn’t even wanna drop him in the first place, but they were worried about the whole “QB controversy who’s the starter” thing. Well look where we are now lol.
Yeah although you would have to convince another AFC team to do it. I'm not sure if the colts would want to elevate the browns prospects. They could be fighting for playoff seeding in theory. I'm in obviously if the price is right but you wouldn't think the flacco would command much more than a day three pick.
If it was being traded from an NFC team it would make more sense
If a 40-year old is still good enough to be in a QB competition with a guy you signed for 230 million guaranteed on top of three 1st-rounders, you may have f*ed up.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 That's a fair point, but a man can still dream.
@@danielzimmerman5837 That assumes the QB was actually worth 230 mil.
Can I just say, I love how Baker is crushing it while Watson and the Browns implode horrifically. Makes me believe in karma.
Me too I wasn't even a fan of Baker Mayfield until the browns treated him so shity.
Ehh baker has a big test Sunday. The reason the browns moved on from baker was not for his ability to beat the worst teams in the league.
As a Cleveland fan I really liked baker but he won't have anywhere close to a 100 QB rating this week
Yea forget that bs😂😂 browns are beating jags they gave you 1 bad game
@@shadow_td yeah you keep that same energy All season my man the jags just aren't good and either are the browns
@@velder22 if you think im rooting for the browns then your a fool😂😂 i just domt believe in that karma crap for them
As a Browns fan I hope to hell the Browns management and ownership has to eat every penny of Deshaun’s contract. I do not want them to get out of the contract. They were stupid enough to sign him, trade all of those picks and give up on a good young quarterback they already had.
I hope they choke on this contract!
Same dude. I hope the lose out the season and are stuck with every stupid choice they made. I loved watching the Browns even when thet were bad. They finally looked reasonable then they did this. What a complete train wreck.
As a Steeler fan who grew up near Cleveland, I only root against the Browns twice a year … and the Browns drive me crazy. I thought Johnny Football was bad but at least he was on a rookie contract. The desperation and magnitude of the Watson trade was baffling. Baker played most of a season with a shoulder injury, went to the playoffs, beat the Steelers, and gave KC a game … and they got rid of him. Baker hadn’t peaked yet and he wanted to be here. Watson had to be lured here with a fully guaranteed contract … and the draft picks. And last year, it was easy to catch Flacco Fever … and he’s gone. As a Browns fan said in his obit … “I want my pall bearers to be Browns players so they can let me down one more time.” Maybe he should have requested the Browns front office.
Here is the craziest thing. That PR hit is much bigger than anyone realizes.
Lets say (knock on wood) the Browns go on a miracle run. They have actually done it, and are in the Superbowl. The perennial losers and underdogs get a chance at their first ever Lombardi.
Aside from the Chiefs, which says a lot of about the priorities of the sport, I don't think there is a single team in the league they could face that wouldn't have most of America still rooting against them. I would rather the Cowboys win another Superbowl than DeShaun Watson getting a ring. That's how bad the trade was to their image. From Lovable Losers to the Ultimate Villains.
I saw the Cowboys/Browns matchup for week 1 and legit could not pick who to root for. It's like in Harry Potter when he saw Umbridge grilling Snape
Are you a mind reader? Cause seriously, I would never root for the Cowboys, but I did on Sunday.
@@tcdahn7 i mostly did it because this is my first year ever doing fantasy with my family, and I had CeeDee Lamb. Still felt wrong though, and my point still stands.
@@temporal712 Aw man, me too. I had to work during my league's draft, so I was saddled with Lamb as my first rounder.
This. I'm a die hard Raider fan, for life. If the AFC Championship were between the Chiefs (my least favorite team, super sick of them), and a Watson-led Browns team, I'm not sure what I'd do, other than not watch the game.
Did everyone forget that there was a bidding war to get him? Several teams were begging to get him. We need to remember that fact.
I do feel the need to remind people sometimes especially when people say the trade was such a "Browns move"
@@bigbearkat2010because it was a Browns move😂 no other team gave an Alleged SA person $200 plus million guaranteed money
What makes it worse was HE REJECTED the browns at first but since the browns were desperate to sell their soul they gave him an offer he couldn’t refuse
No other team would’ve done that…except the browns….
@toastx_ the browns got it like that tho. Almost every GM and Almost every fan wishes they had Browns money.
@@jcbuckeye shieeet me too, who wouldn’t? At the end of the day the only people suffering from all this are the brown fans who have to put up with all the drama that comes with it…a shame tho since they are a passionate fan base
Cause the browns love these losers. They went for Kareem hunt and there was video of him beating a women in an elevator.
The browns really stabbed themselves in the face the year they kicked baker out the door. Just imagine if they had all that cap money and draft picks on the field. They are essentially playing with a handicap.
panthers v browns as dumbest team
@@softjones3128most definitely the two dumbest owners in the NFL
Yeah man I think a lot of people forget about the 3 first round draft picks. The contract is horrific - but if you took this Browns team and gave them 3 first round draft picks, and swapped Baker for Watson, they’re probably a contender or close to it. All they had to do was stay the course and they would have been fine.
I don’t feel bad for Browns fans. They turned on Baker when he was playing through a pretty severe shoulder injury. No loyalty. They deserve Watson.
Yes, every Browns fan down to the last man, woman, and child.
@@rafetizer Of course, but you can’t deny that the boos were louder than the cheers.
@@KingDookums maybe but thats not unique to baker or browns fans
Not all of us Browns fans were anti Baker. I was pissed the way he was treated!
@TheZoinx same. He had no one to throw to and they let him play very hurt. Once they got a different QB in and the receivers kept dropping everything, it was beyond obvious.
Back when they went 0-16 in 2016, everyone called them the lolcow of the NFL, which I disagreed with at the time. The lolcow of sports isn't a team that tries but doesn't win, it's a team that plays cheap, screws people over, and still doesn't win.
Back when the Browns when 0-16, they weren't perennial losers, because they came back the next year, ready to try again. When they got Baker Mayfield, the team was winning, won a playoff birth against rival Steelers, and everyone was rooting for them.
One mediocre season later, management threw him out like a broken toy, and even Baker wanted out, so you know that he wasn't happy with them. The Browns fought tooth and nail for Watson, 200 MILLION DOLLARS, guaranteed! A QB that hadn't played in two years because of injury and allegations of being a predator, allegations that still pop up! They were given another chance with Joe Flacco's miracle run, but dropped him to the Colts because he lost a playoff game they should've been lucky to have.
Cleveland Browns, you might have lost a lot of games, but you weren't losers until now. You are LOSERS.
I would love to see Baker get deep into the Playoffs, just for the pure "fuck you" to the Browns. I never understood dumping Baker, who got them into the Playoffs in forever, for Watson.
As a Browns fan who’s been against the Watson trade from the start, I hope that they can void his contract. He should not be on the field. He should be in jail. Unfortunately money and fame talk.
They should have to pay every penny of his contract for gambling their future on him in the first place they knew about his issues and thought he would be " the adult in the locker room "
Absolutely not. The browns deserve what they get, they are always digging their own graves. The fans such as you do not deserve this, but the org does.
Forget jail, this dude needs to go to prison
Browns fans don’t deserve as much of a pass of they’re given, and I say that as a Browns fan. We are starting to make up scenarios and treat them as fact to justify that this guy can still be a top 5 quarterback, and seeing people try to discredit Joe Burrow because we have to justify that all of this can’t just be for nothing is a level of delusional that even Cowboys fans would tell us to snap back to reality. It’s frustrating and this circus is absolutely exhausting.
Jimmy Haslam was already a shitty owner to begin with, but this trade alone elevates him to the Snyder tier of ownership!
Would you say he's worse than Tepper?
@@bigbearkat2010 There’s two lines of thought to answer that question. The Browns were at least a playoff team during the Watson era, but he’s definitely a total shitbum for the way things ended with Mayfield. News flash, Jimmy: sexual predators are not adult-minded adults!
Not gonna give Browns fans a pass. They talked so much when Big Ben had his crap, and then just waved Watson's stuff away. Not to mention how they treated Baker on his way out.
The Drive, The Fumble, The Move, and now The Trade.
I disagree about feeling sorry for Browns fans. Especially those not from/living in Cleveland.
They accepted him when they could've booed him from the get go. Also just not supporting the Browns until he is gone or switching teams entirely was a valid option.
Yeah... I just moved to Cleveland a couple years ago and was really excited when flacco took us to the playoffs, but I think I'll be staying a bears fan at least till deshaun is gone.
No, a lot of us were unhappy with the latest fuckery in a nonstop string of fuckery. There's also people who didn't like it, but still hope their team will be good. You have to realize some fans are getting rather old and would like to see a reasonably competitive, winning team before they die. We haven't seen that since the damn 80's.
@@rafetizer I'm getting old so I guess cheer for the groper/rapist sounds like a perfectly reasonable choice. Almost like Republicans voting for Trump cause "they got no other choice".
Yes you have and in Sports it's even easier cause ultimately choosing the team to root for is something you do almost exclusively for yourself.
To add to that: The people who actually celebrated were never rebutted. As much as Browns fans want to claim THEIR shit don't stink, you had people approving of Deshaun's abuses and nobody did anything.
There were so many fans supporting Watson initially. Remember all the disgusting signs in the crowd. Yes they didn’t have to support Watson. And it really seemed like they were willing to for a Super Bowl. I was highly disappointed in the fans
Nah man, while I can't speak for all of us(Texans Fans), I was giving him the benefit of the doubt at first. These types of accusations ruin lives, but then they just kept on stacking up...
I imagine it was a similar situation with Big Ben and Steelers fans at first.
@@dinosquid9649 I don't think we celebrated the allegations the way that Browns fans did. They really did seem to take joy in being the villains of the league for a moment. With Ben it was more the standard ignore the accusations and slander the accuser cope, like with some Ravens fans and Ray Rice.
Then again, when Ben got his suspension social media was not nearly as ubiquitous as it is now, so maybe we just don't have as much photographic evidence of Steelers fans being awful.
This was not Kevin This was not Berry This was Haslem he wanted Watson bad and went over his HC and Gm and said make him work
It’s always been the Harlem’s. They’re just rich enough to hire meat shields to hide behind lolz
Look at this trade, everything says Haslam made this happen. The amount we gave him was insane, the number of people we fired to make this work. These are guys who Kevin wanted, and they've been fired for this guy to work, and he just hasn't. I hope once he's gone, we hear how much Kevin didn't want him and he's glad it's over.
According to Chris Simms, KS didn't originally want Watson (and Watson didn't want to come to Cleveland originally either). It apparently took a conversation where AB felt he could make a contract work long-term, and he and Haslem got KS to sign on. Though to be honest, all of them are to blame.
What makes this even more ugly is pre-Watson, the idea was Barry, Stefanski and BP Paul DePodestra (the Moneyball guy) were supposedly all on the same page: Make the cap work long-term, sign complimentary players, focus on the early/mid rounds of the draft where most of the value is, build a solid defensive foundation, etc. That all went out the window signing Watson, especially to that ridiculous contract.
Yeah, I dont believe that for a second. Stefanski was abysmal in play calling for mayfield when he knew he was hurt and couldn't move. Jettisoning mayfield for watson was their excuse for having no competence. Fuck em all. I hope this team burns.
And they had baker who won a freaking playoff game with them before he got hurt and they cast him aside.
If Roger Goodell was a real executive, he'd kick Watson out of the league and bar him from ever playing again. It needs to happen. Do the same for Jameis too; I don't care how long ago his case was, he lost it just like Watson has so drop the hammer on him as well. I'm tired of men like them being allowed to play in major league sports.
Chris Long brought up a great point about how beat up Deshaun got in HOU . Not far fetched to think CLE may have gotten a broken down QB physically as well as ALL the off field stuff. What a joke.
I think he's crossed the same river others have, from Andrew Luck, RG3, Teddy Bridgewater, even go back to Chad Pennington, where enough injuries piled up early on in his career, he's just never going to be fully healthy again. Jimmy G may be a more current comparison, though he's a few years older than Watson. Jimmy's ACL tear was the start of it, but look at all the other small to medium level injuries he's had.
Oh, he can still work out, suit up, throw a football, but he's simply not the same guy physically he was five years ago, and never again will be.
That says more about him as a Qb than anything else, he was sacked more in like 3 years than Andrew Luck was in 5 years. At a certain point getting hit that much is as much on him as a bad offensive line
@@coltsmith7292 Yep. You can't play every down like it's late in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl. Even Tom Brady and Peyton Manning threw balls into the dirt, dropped to the turf, before getting sacked.
Been hearing rumors that if he didn’t disclose this to the Browns they can cut him with no hit to the dead cap.
If the player is great, the allegations disappear. If they suck, they reappear. It's almost like 32 billionaires are behind it. 😅
Luckily for the Dolphins, Tyreek is an unbelievable player because child abuse is even worse than his past domestic abuse case.
Man, it is hard to keep up with this stuff!
Yeah agree with you here. And Tyreek seems like another unhinged individual to be honest. As long as he is productive on the field the Franchise and the NFL will do anything to protect him for as long as possible. Similarities with Darren Sharper. They also tried everything to keep Watson protected. But know that He sucks at QB I guess that's over.
While not totally untrue the real solution for the player is to not be scum in the first place but🤷🏼♂️
Well, 31 billionaires. Packers are public
@@MattDakus apologies, I was just thinking of this yesterday. 🤦♂️
Nah fuck the Browns. I hope they’re stuck with that contract for the next 3 years. They made this bed now they get to sleep in it.
EDIT: If they cut him tomorrow the dead cap hit is 176 million dollars.
EDIT 2: Fuck the fans. I remember the signs, t-shirts, and legions of scumbags rushing to his defense after the trade. If you’re one of the good ones, find another team to root for.
Should of just been happy with Baker Mayfield
Many of us were. But some of our fans are morons. Haven't had a better QB since Kosar. But he wasn't knock out elite so in thier minds he was trash. I love how wrong they were. But it sucks cuz I'm pretty much done for the year. Lol they say when he was average for 2 of 14 games that HE WAS BACK. All I see is a slow inaccurate clueless moronic person playing QB.
Problem was that the Baker thing was kinda tied into letting Gregg Williams go and elevating Freddie Kitchens to take his place. They had a winning combo going with Williams/Kitchens/Mayfield and they moved (or removed) two of the three pieces. It was like buying a used car, discovering it's running pretty well, and then deciding to start pulling parts and switching them all over the place for no good reason.
Albert Haynesworth thinking like “Man glad my name isn’t coming up, ty Mr Waston and god bless you”
Not a trade
1. Morals Clause 2. Disclosure Clause = BOTH are 'off ramps' w/ DW
I feel like he should be done in the NFL. That many allegations is so unbelievably ridiculous, and should be taken into consideration
As a Browns fan I HOPE Watson gets paid every cent AND stays the entirety of his contract. It’s what we deserve for doing Baker dirty. The Karma has come due
Browns fans; I feel terrible for you.
Browns office; you guys are just proving money does NOT equal brains. Basically, you guys are qualified to be the president (wish that wasn't a situation we've been nearly continuously been experiencing ☹️)
Its just a drop of pain in our sea of misery. Not just the Browns but Cleveland sports in general. I will always dream of the day we finally earn the right to hold a Lombardi. Stick it out to the end.
As a Browns fan, this is why we are never going to win an SB. All I even want from this season is better than 6 and 11. I have no hope and I hate it.
As a 2nd year Bucs fan, im pretty happy. F Cleveland.
Your QB looked great this past week! I forget, where did he used to play? 😅
@PhilAndersonOutside he managed to escape 2 of the most dysfunctional organizations in the nfl, cleveland and carolina.
Best case scenario for the Browns is they get out of his contract. Worst case scenario is he gets suspended and they still have to pay him
Deshaun was 100% a Jimmy Haslam move and is not an Andrew Berry- Kevin Stefanski type move. I put 0 blame on them beyond trying to make it work for their boss (an owner with liquidity, not just value)
They did sign off on the deal though, so they are not off scot free. However yes, from everything I have heard and read, it was Haslem who wanted Watson, no matter what.
@@PhilAndersonOutside look i know what you mean, that's just not how it works though, in any situation involving dictations from an owner of a business and a manager of personnel needing to carry that out. The guy paying the bills doesnt need their permission or blessing. Its more like "this is what we are doing" and the coach and GM have to then decide whether the job is worth it. They do as they're told or find a new job or instability shows.
Owners sign off on risky deals made by GM's, but not the other way around, and that's why I said the only fault you can assign them is trying to make it work.
There is no work setting where the superior needs permission by the inferior. The inferior is told what to do and they either do it or look for a new job. It's that simple.
@@PhilAndersonOutside the reason I replied the way I did is to show you what it's like when some responds to you without comprehending what you're saying.
Your response to my original comment is just an echo of exactly what I said, just your own flavor of word choice.
Thank you for understanding that it’s super hard to be a Browns fan.
You can quit. I certainly did. You can root for the Steelers or the Bengals or the Lions or the Bills.
@@LeDank nope. you cannot quit. that's where the fanatic part come in. you don't choose where you grow up. when you grow up in Cleveland in the Sipe/Kosar/Newsome era, you don't choose your formative loyalty.
@@LeDank I appreciate other teams. I love what the Lions are doing. I love watching Baker crush it in Tampa. But the orange and brown runs deep, my friend.
Yeah. No matter the circumstances you can never change. Even with all we have been through.
Watson was a Haslam decision. He wanted 'ELITE' QB play and was willing to do anything to get it. The only hope is that this new allegation violates the contract so that that team can release him without having to deal with the dead cap.
Funniest part to me is the Browns were in a fantastic spot. They made a playoff run with Baker where they beat the Steelers and played the Chiefs really close on the road. All they had to do was stay the course. The Odell Beckham signing was the beginning of the end. Then Baker had a season plagued with injuries and they blew it all up.
But if you swapped Watson for Baker and 3 first round picks tomorrow (which is what they had originally), I think they’re a legit contender.
The only thing about this story that upsets me is that there’s no way for the Browns to continue having to pay for bringing a known serial offender into town and writing his contract to work around the disciplinary process. If there was a way that they could keep having to bleed the money for this contract, and the money just not going to Watson, that’s perfection
It would be perfect if the money went to either the victims or at least a foundation for survivors of SA.
Love Tom gaslighting Brandon over Stefanski’s name
The Browns insisted on getting fleeced.
Let's not act like the Texans have had great skill with Trades.
That Hopkins trade was truly disgusting....
If the Texans win a Super Bowl in the next few years and the Browns don't get close to one, then I'll consider it the worst trade.
Who'd have thought that the Watson trade wouldn't have a happy ending?
Deshaun Watson is coming for the Aaron Hernandez record of most evil NFL player ever. And Tyreek Hill is not too far behind 🤣 💯
i remember listening to the Houston texans radio station the day after the trade and they where complaining about only getting three firsts for watson crazy how things change
My Browns have destroyed themselves by aligning with this man.
I have no sympathy, we deserve better.
The double wammy that makes this the worst trade, is they already had a QB, Baker!!!
personally, i am SO HAPPY that the browns are laying in the bed they made. shoulda kept mayfield.
Oh the Russ trade is still bad because of what Seattle got for him. But Denver had more problems than Russ being QB. You can make a case Watson is legitimately holding the Browns back at QB since he been there. And the trade also turned Houston from bottom of the league team into a potential Super Bowl contender
Why does everybody forget to really bring up the Baker Mayfield part of this deal? Is Baker Mayfield a top 10 quarterback is either right there or not far behind right now and Cleveland gave up on him because of when heart season after bringing them to the playoffs for the first time and God knows how long. That to me is what makes sense so much worse.
I wouldn't feel that bad for browns fans. Probably half of the was excited about the trade, and a percentage of that half thought he did nothing wrong to them women.
A soviet military parade’s worth of red flags
As a a Steeler fan I am grateful for serial bad Browns ownership.
Let's not forget the disgusting signs some Browns fans had at the stadium after they got him. A lot of them were supporting him so F them!
Thank you Browns, signed a Texans fan.
Browns fans should have boycotted the team the second Watson was signed. Fuck the franchise, coaches, players and fans. They are all guilty of protecting a predator.
Forgot to say fuck the media too.
Hold on. You go with the data provided at the time. At the time there was 12 and all the same lawyer, Buzbee, who makes contingency money off all settlements (1/3?). He took out an ad. And the DW Lawyer had strong evidence this could be extortion. Why did they ask him for sessions, dates, brag about felatio, after the alleged incidents. Then you have 33 TDs vs 17TDs. 4800 yards vs 3000. 112 passer rating vs 84.
Did it blow up in their face? Yep. And as slimy as Buzbee appears to be, they should have talked to him. They only talked to DW’s lawyer.
So far, my season predictions are pointing towards coming true.
1. Watson won't make it through half of the season
2. Jayden Daniels will have better stats than Caleb Williams in their rookie season.
3. Aaron Rodgers won't be as good as previous years but better than last year. Lol
The players could kill him, that's another way.
From serially improperly propositioning masseuses to SA.. not surprised.
The language in the contract will not cover this one. The event is from 2020 and will not impact the 2022 or 2023 seasons - which is what the language in the contract specifies. If it affects the 2024 or 2025 season, then they don't have an out. This was left out of the most recent contract edit because 2023 is over. Basically, it looks like the Browns are on the hook regardless because it's not a new crime.
Browns fans can put up with a lot... but not a player who sucks. They can defend a sexual predator if he's going to be good on the field. They'll even build a statue for him if he can win a Super Bowl. But put a human piece of crap on the field who then sucks ON the field? Oh, hell no.
2:56 I remember when the first allegations came out years ago and my initial thought was "Oh she's just trying to get money." Then more and more and more women started to come out against him and I changed my opinion. Watson is and has been a two-faced lying piece of shit, I feel nothing but contempt for him and no sympathy for the Browns.
Perna is just loving this so much
Even without Deshaun paying for handies and slipping into Arbys Big Montana's without consent, he never impressed me as a QB or a team leader. My friend actually called me yesterday and apologized to me. Since day one of this trade, I looked at his gameplay and was never a fan. His monster statistical season, I think they won 4 or 5 games. When I watched DW game, before he came to the Browns, he looked complacent and nonchalant when he played. He never looked like he was very interested in playing a full game, if a butterfly flew onto the field he would chase it with his arms to his side giggling wildly, yes I am saying he reminds me of a re t rdd person. I hope and pray that this creates a way to void Jared from Subways contract
Browns fans get absolutely no sympathy. None. When they brought him here, they trolled the women that he had sexually assaulted. Now the Browns hates the guy and wants everyone to forget how awful they were.
As a browns fan I wanna keep Kevin/ Steven no matter what, he turned us around and at what point do we pick a damn coach? His culture compared to the last 20 years is we make the playoffs every other year. vs no win seasons and a 1 win season before he was here
Impeccable timing for the browns 🤔 maybe the giants should take notice of this 😂🤣
Barstool shouldn't be throwing stones in their glass houses considering Dave Portnoy.
I didn't want him 2-3 years ago. Now, I hate the way that he talks and the way that he walks.
Everyone saying they whiffed on letting Baker walk, when you could still argue moneyball semantics and how bad of a team they would still be with Baker being broke.
Let it sink in you could have drafted Geno Smith, held a private workout for him in 2015, and probably had your shot at him in 2021 maybe 2022.
Dust in the wind 😂 💙💚
As a Steelers fan, I kind of feel bad for the Cleveland fans. Hate Watson, but dang.
Edit: Actually, who am I kidding? Even the Browns fans hate themselves right now.
How does someone decide to come forward randomly like that without any evidence?
Should have just kept Baker.
Maybe not the worst, but definitely in the conversation.
I remember Watson destroying the Bears with his feet, for the Texans. He was an absolute beast. Where did that man go ?
Don’t be a s*x offender.
Stefanski didn’t deserve coach of the year, Garrett didn’t deserve DOOY, and Flacco didn’t deserve CPOTY. NFL just has a hard on for the browns
Just a drop of pain in our sea of misery. Not just the Browns but Cleveland sports in general. Its been so hard. We dream of the day that we earn the right to hold the Lombardi. But I guess congrats to Houston, enjoy.
They still can’t get out of it. His contact says he gets the money even if he’s suspended by the NFL for violating their conduct policy
I do not feel bad for fans of my former favorite team. They all had a choice to speak up and show ownership they weren't happy and so many just accepted it. Real Browns fans quit supporting the team.
I would take Hot Pockets over Happy Endings any day of the week
perfect timing for the Browns 😉
As a browns fan props to the texans - must be nice
They need to just bite the bullet and drop Deshaun to backup. They can't get out of the contract, so they need to stop wasting time. Jameis may not be some God tier QB, but I guarantee he plays better than Deshaun.
I'm a Browns fan and I feel bad for me.
people who still support this man are delusional. He shouldnt even be in the league with all these allegations
As a man with the last name Watson I just want to say to Deshaun " " You are a disgrâce to the Watson name and ALL of humanity !"
Yes
Im a little scared that the Raiders might try to get him.
Worst trade: Panthers for Bryce Young, Browns for Watson, or Broncos for Wilson?
So. Much. Suckage.
I loved the first two trades you listed, signed a Texans fan.
Browns Front Office should all be fired for going after this freak in the FIRST PLACE!
I feel zero sympathy for the Browns fans because if Watson was still great at football, they'd all be cheering a predator.
Browns need to line up a date with Watson and that lady the got Mel Tucker fired.
Not ONE of yall piling on the Browns is acknowledging the Browns are a playoff team lol narrative narrative narrative
How about trading the entire draft for Ricky Williams? Bad trade?
I really wonder of the weight of pressure to get Watson from the owner down to the coach was exerted. Owner should carry the most weight and responsibility for giving the largest contract in NFL history, at that time, to a serial predator.
I used to be a browns fan. Now I hope they get sold and move. I’m so sick of them.
If he leaves I might be a browns fan again. So hopefully he stays forever and saves me from myself
Too much money involved, the Browns are not going to cut him. He’s not going anywhere.