For comparison: You can give a rulebook and a full team of Stargrave or Frostgrave to two of your friends (as well as yourself) for less than the starting price of Necromunda. If you use a Perry box, you might be able to stretch it to 4.
@@willsuttie3683 take a look at this video from miscast. You can fill an entire table with a couple of hours of work with this method and the end result is pretty good looking too: ruclips.net/video/TLZq90aH15k/видео.html
@@willsuttie3683 This was just the required books and a single basic gang for Necromunda. Core book (€45), Gangs of the Underhive (still required)(€32,50), faction book (€32,50) and 1 gang box (€34, so not the fancy extras, total of €144). This does not include terrain. Vs 4*Frostgrave 2 rulebook (€100, Frostgrave 1 is available for 4*€15=€60), 1*Perry box of 40 dudes (€29) and 1*Frostgrave Wizards (€17). Terrain can easily be made for 1/4th of GW's offers, though the wandering monsters request a few extra things. I'd just use cardboard and a printed picture for them to start if I didn't have over 300 d&d minis already.
The problem with Ebay for a lot of miniatures is the shipping. If you're lucky and grab some kind of large set that doesn't get swarmed, it might be worth it. But I find the shipping that gets added to it really kills any kind of 'deal' you might find there.
Etsy has the same issues. Oh wow 10 models for 20$, what a steal! But then the shipping is 25$ for every single item you add to cart. Might as well buy from GW at that point.
@@Nick_Whiskey as a full time online reseller(not specifically Warhammer) I apologize for people who don't know how to ship stuff. Its like 11$ for up to 10 pound weight for ups and fed ex ground shipping and in my experience those are both more reliable services than USPS(I've sold over 1k listings to give you an ideal of amount of packages I've shipped)
Having branched away from 40k in recent months, I have been directed towards indie games. Thanks to Uncle Atom I have discoveres awesome games like "Space Weirdos, Zona Alfa and of course Reign in Hell."
I love the game rulesets by OnePageRules. They have made their own miniature agnostic ruleset for a Grimdark future and Age of Fantasy (yes very similar to another name brand). They also sell minis or STL's for you to print your own but you don't need to use their models.
Dropping scale can also be an interesting way to save some cash! Khurushan and similar companies have HUGE ranges of 15mm for Scifi, fantasy, and historical. You can play a skirmish game in 15mm on an 18"x18" board and it's super easy!
Exactly this. Alternative Armies gets my vote, as they have the old Laserburn minis and rules, and that is a huge nostalgia trip, as I cut my wargaming teeth on that game.
For 5 Parsecs, you can get by on about 18 enemy minis and 6 for your crew. If you are selective about the minis you buy, they can be multiple different enemy encounter types (although tbh my mini collection keeps expanding the more I play the game)
I play ASOIAF & I took your advice and I provide everything so it's easy for others to play. All they have to do is sit down & play. Greatly appreciate your advice on painting also. I just paint to my level of acceptance & start playing. Plus, ASOIAF MINIATURES are easy to get on the table because of no assembly required. I get a new unit & it's on the table immediately. Thanks from Texas & Keep up the great content!!
Six months ago or more I was one of the many that asked about getting into Kill Team. Uncle Atom sez, "Get the core book and two boxes of minis". He was right then, but gee dubs put the kibosh on that and released v. 2. So instead I took those minis that I had purchased for Kill Team and bought Stargrave instead. I am looking forward to running it with my kids. Thanks again for making these kinds of videos.
I mean, for _some_ Kill Team combinations, you can still get away with single boxes. Ork Boyz or Tactical Marines are a good example. But yes, GW does not make it easy to play their games, before the issue of price enters into it.
I think my point is that getting into it is not as easy as version one. Now that might be opinion, but for sure it is easier to start the miniature agnostic games mentioned in the video, at least easier on the wallet.
Kill team is so very frustrating. It could be a great entry point game but it’s not, everyone I know looks at it, either can’t figure out what to buy or see they need like 3 books, a counter set, maybe terrain set, etc…. And nopes out. Two things would fix it: 1. Include the rules to play each team IN THE BOX with the team. Having it separate is a pure cash grab. 2. Bundle the essentials kit with the core rules. That way you only need two things to start playing. Rules and a faction box. Boom.
Glad to see indie systems being given some spotlight! GW's stuff is great but they shouldn't be the entire hobby. Also, all you really need to have a healthy playgroup is maybe 2 other people. If you play the right system, you won't even need any other people at all!
I played Warhammer 40k from 1994 to about 2014 or so. I sold my army after I didnt play for a number of years, nobody to play with LOL I recently discovered solo player board games and lately I have been in love with Core Space!! Ive been dumping cash on Core Space stuff every paycheck LOL
I’ve looked at Reign in Hell, got the PDF and I want to do a force for every faction. It is so much fun, the possibilities are endless. Thank you Adam and Vince. Just one question will you be looking at expanding this game?
We did make an expansion that we published at the end of September called “The Oculus Spear” and it adds six new scenarios that you can play solo or co-op. Now we’re working on the next game. Thanks for watching!
Spiral Arm studios has some very well priced mini sprues. While technically for their Maelstrom's Edge game, they work for any sci-fi setting. (and they also sell terrain sprues that are just small to large scale greeblies and bits for pimping your scratchbuilds)
Battlletech. It's been one of my favorites for decades and it's enjoying something of a resurgence. Best part is, you only need 4-6 minis per side to have a killer game. :)
Gaslands....Use matchbox/Hotwheels cars and "madmax" it. Scenery is cheap from the 2 dollar stores, then kitbash with spare parts/random bits and bobs. It's a massively underrated game.🤘👽🤘
Watching through this when Uncle Atom is talking about printed miniatures 3D printed. An ad came up for the patreon of a company selling beautiful STL files. For once RUclips got something right.
I've personally never played a GW game, outside of Heroquest and maybe a couple of games of Blood Bowl in the 1990's, and I find the attitude of sticking solely with GW so weird. There's so many great games out there to go and play!
Part of the reason comes down to finding other players. I can buy every game out there, but if I can’t get my friends to buy in as well, then there’s no point.
Have you ever tried Pulp Alley? It’s a really great mom and pop indie tabletop skirmish game, and the creator Dave is super active on RUclips. Got into it recently and it’s an awesome game and community. Plus it’s pretty agnostic with its pulp setting and characters.
Like with everything in life: If you are lazy and don't but any work in it you need to pay extra. If you are willing to look beyond your plate and dig around you can save money and find real treasure. Like ordering in a restaurant, going to a buffet or cook yourself... your choice.
2 older games that are great, Stargrunt II & Dirtside II, from Ground Zero Games for 28mm & 6mm Sci-Fi wargaming. They have their own miniatures line, but the game is set up so you can use any figures you want and make up stats for them. Also, historical miniatures can be used for fantasy games (especially human armies). Historical miniatures can also be used for Horror, SteamPunk & lost world/Dinosaur Safari type games.
Another good idea is using boardgamegeek and boardgameoracle to find board games with good minis and use them as proxies for other games. Example rune wars or zombicide for undead hordes
I got into the hobby just the last few weeks as I was on Amazon and decided to pick up a blood angels death company kit with my credit card points. Always wanted to get into models/minis but never knew anyone who did already and just never got myself to a shop to inquire about them. What started as a free reward impulse item turn into the gateway to this world. I started gathering supplies and all the essentials (Glue, Clippers, Paint, Brushes), then I started pickup up this and that and this doohickey then that doohickey.... 2 weeks deep and I just did my monthly financials and realized I spent over $700 on paint kits, a few other models, storage cases/magnets, and so on. Aye Caraumba! Luckily I have a savings for things like this, but this was entirely unplanned and the $ added up so fast it made my head spin. One would assume I picked up a bunch of larger kits and that ate up the majority of that 700 bucks, but it wasnt! I only picked up one other more bigger kit (W40k Elite Edition) and just two little kits (Orc Gretchins & Blackstone Cultists). It was a ton of those $5-10 purchases on uncommon supply's (Wants = Not needs) that after 30-40 of them all add up to a huge bill! Remember the days when to curb your spending you stuck your debit/credit card in water and then put it in the freezer... How do we do that with digital accounts! lol
Warhammer is only popular because people play what others are already playing, as you said its difficult to get people to invest into a new system and models. That is why I like "ONE PAGE RULES", because you can use your GW armies in their rule set.
There are so many smaller indie games that run with whatever models you want to use, tabletop has never been cheaper. You can get an entire playable force for many of them 3d printed for next to nothing. Great time to be involved in tabletop.
Disagree on the ebay part! It is great for getting single sprues! If you want to kitbash a small warband you can pick up 1 or 2 sprues from different kits and get away with prices below 10 bucks for a full warband!!! (*depending on shippin costs)
Fun fact! Check with your local library. Select Delaware libraries in particular would allow you to schedule a 3D print. For free. It may not be the same everywhere, but it's definitely worth a phone call to see if they offer a service like that in that library or nearby (not all DE libraries had printers, but there was at least 1 in each county at the time).
There is a guy on youtube, who’s name I can’t remember right now, who prints miniatures designed for 28mm, but scales them down to 10mm. Much less material, requires much less terrain, space on the table, space on the shelf - all of these hidden costs that come with regular 28mm gaming. The beauty of this is, that you can take the exact rules, ranges etc. your 28mm game uses and change the tape measure to centimetres. It is not exact to the last decimal, as 10“ = 25.4cm, but that is close enough imo. And if you live in Europe, your tabletop gaming tape measure probably already has cm markings in addition to those imperial markings that only get used for tabletop gaming in this part of the world anyway =)
Lulu also does print on demand for some publishers, like Song of Blades and Heroes. Also, a lot of publishers have a free pdf online these days. When playing with friends, just proxy or eve play in a smaller scale (which is what I am doing).
We should just form like a community that develops our own rule sets and then shares them. I’m working on a game that takes place starting with the Gaullic wars that runs all the way through the Conquistadors. There are different unit stats for the different ages of armor and such and the differences in projectiles and black powder weaponry will also have different capacities/capabilities at different times, obviously starting at the beginning when there weren’t any.
So I got into GW games at like 7 years old, I’m pretty young still, I’m only 33, but I absolutely have noticed that people are hesitant to try new stuff, which is why when I wanted to introduce a new game at my LGS (they have really nice tables in the basement and second floor) I brought enough troops (save up for a 3-D printer REGARDLESS of what you play. GW are disgusting extortionists, don’t pay their bullshit prices, you can print up space marines for fractions of a penny on the dollar because of how much GW marks up. I did the math before I got my first 3-D printer the year after I graduated high school, at the time it was like a hey penny on the dollar, now it’s even crazier like 1/10th of a penny on the dollar, or maybe more now, i don’t even check gw’s product line anymore so I don’t know for sure).
Cheaper yet, play a board-wargame like Combat Commander (WWII by GMT), Nuklear Winter '68 (Weird War by Lock’n’Load), Battles of Westeros (Song of Ice & Fire by FFG), etc… Miniature wargames gave birth to board-wargames in the 60’s. They run the gamut from historical to genre and from tactical (which nearly all minis-wargames simulate) to operational and strategic.
I remember buying literal sand from GW when I was a kid. Marketing genies. I remember basing a horse jumping over a “log” and I didn’t want to just use a stick from the garden… because “it’s not GW and will rot away” That stick looks like the realest mf log ever, never painted it even! Still alive and un-rotted away 10 years later
I am a builder abs painter only and I love it - bought for 70% off a Mantic Tree Herder and a Reaper Bones Black Fungal Queen today and am looking forward to painting both and possibly adding more to the Tree Herder. But I also buy a ton of 40K Space Marines but that is cause I love love love the aesthetic.
I've got a 3d printer and too much time on my hands. Are you in the United States or Canada? I can print off some stuff for you, if you give me a wish list and place (like a PO box or something) I can send it to.
For Reign in Hell I can't reccomend enough the following sources. Mantic Games Succubi or Lower Abyssals, Frostgrave Demons, Reaper Miniatures even dnd demons/devils work well. For things like Battletech a whole army is literally 12 mechs or the equivalent in tanks/aircraft/infantry. I have been able to buy up a heap of older plastic models cheaply on Ebay and supplemented them with cheap metals from Iron Wind Metals via Ral Partha Europe. Built two 36 unit armies and I am pretty much done with that. But still buying up smaller demon/elemental warbands for Reign in Hell.
First non GW game I got involved in was Wargods by Crocodile games and was Mr FitzPatrick himself that showed me the game and still play it now when I get the chance. Indi games are great as you can have lots in a bag and be ready to go. I always carried in 1 bag 8+ different games systems as I can't guarantee booking a day/time so always good to have other systems so I can almost guarantee myself a game.
Warlords of Erehwon, a fantasy version of Bolt Action built with the STATED PURPOSE of being played with any odd fantasy miniatures you have lying around.
Interesting. According to Wikipedia: "A kludge or kluge is a workaround or quick-and-dirty solution that is clumsy, inelegant, inefficient, difficult to extend and hard to maintain. This term is used in diverse fields such as computer science, aerospace engineering, Internet slang, evolutionary neuroscience, and government." Thanks for watching!
Biggest problem searching for Infinity minis is that Disney has a range of plushies or something, called "Infinity" - it's all Avengers and stuff like that. Be specific and search for "Infinity Nomads", or "Infinity Combined Army", etc.
Get away from the idea that the model MUST be 'what you see is what you get' (WYSIWYG) which I also call Warhammer Hypnosis. As long as one model is able to be identified as different from the other by color or symbol then you can just rely on the stat sheet. This will open up a huge range of options from you shelf and other sources.
I have to bring up Bloodfields & Bloodfields: Eternal Sorrow. I love Titan Forge minis and I am really enjoying their rule system. I accept most people won't print minis for this game so I keep 10 fully painted factions and introduce the game to people.
Big pdf indie fan, and use wargames vault a lot, we are lucky in the UK and have lots of Web based print services that you can upload the pdf to, personalise in terms of paper type, binding and size. So one assumes similar exists in NAmerica?
Ground Zero Games, GZG, has a CLASSIC rules sets for FREE. As in 0$, just download... Ground warfare is covered under "Dirtside 2" (company size and larger battles for micro-armor scale to 15mm miniatures), "Stargrunt 2" (platoon size skirmish, vehicles are built using the Dirtside rules....), and finally starship rules "Full Thrust". While the rules are older (late 90's), they have stood the test of time, and besides, they make great miniatures they would love to sell you if you like the rules (but the lore, and the miniatures, are highly optional).
I play wargames including lots of GW (Killteam, Middle Earth SBG, Necromunda and Battlefleet Gothic and 40K) and then the other 50 or so games that I play. Osprey games is a great source for quick interesting rules; Ash’s Gamma Wolves is a great example and my Rackham Therian are locked and loaded for that rule set. Whether it’s a GW figure or someone else’s I always try to base in the same style (25mm round, Vallejo earth paste, Steel Legion Drab, Agrax Earthshade and Army painter tufts) so that it’s not the base that stops interchangeability.
Next episode, Atom discovers Napoleonic Mass battles and pines away for the cheapness of GW. :) Great episode, if a little heavy on the 3d printing side. There are thousands of companies and small manufacturers out there making more figures and terrain than you can imagine.
3d printing makes all historical dreams come true ;) I made a huge 15mm ww2 collection for next to no money. Napoleonics, where the soldiers are SUPPOSED to be identical copies of one another? Pennies!!
A shoutout for "Stargrunt 2" which is the game that got me to give up Warhammer. It's been made available for free by the author at Ground Zero Games. Free doesn't mean bad! It's one of the best platoon level sci-fi games out there. Because it's all fun and games until the orks call in an orbital bombardment....
In the 90's i got about $380 worth of eldar warhammer 40k guys for xmas. Biggest mistake of my life. I spent more time painting them than i did playing them and i bought them based on how cool they looked and when i saw how they played together i was very dismayed. I had a friend who had the space marine starter set abd he beat me 3/3 games and i was so upset at how much i spent on the miniatures and peripherals and how much it would cost to extend my army (impossible) that i threw them all on the garbage abd decided the game was for rich europeans clinging to atari computers. I got 5 parsecs from home, 5 klicks from the zone and 5 leagues from...whatever it was. They are great coop and sp miniature war/rpg games. I bought cheap colour coded army men, i got small plastic dinosaurs, plastic bugs and other toys you'd see in the dollar store. I used 1/2" foam insulation boards from a hardware store and glued paper printouts onto the shapes for textures. I use construction paper for grass, dirt, water, etc. Also got cheap plastic aquarium and train scenery plants and things for decorations. (Glued stuff onto coins and washers for weighted bases) Now for modern warfare at least i have tons of options for a fraction of the warhammer price. Doesnt look photo realistic but it is very geometric and playable which in my opinuon makes the game more playable. Still the time i spent cutting, gluing, and printing made me wonder what the hell i was doing. Computer games have a lot if pro's. (I got it all from amazon, wargamevault, and a few impulse buys from a local dollar store) I will never pay $10 fir a hunk of pkastic or pewter ever again. If anyone has any ideas on doing fantasy miniatures i have been using smg guys for goblins and that might be going too far but for games with ogres, goblins, elves, worgs, dragons and so on the variation has kind of pushed me away. I was drawing paper cuboids but got sick of it. For some reason i felt strongly about drawing each side of the unit and it took forever.
I've been playing Reign in Hell, bought the game, have the pdf. and got Oculus Spear. I'm 2 missions in to a solo run of Oculus Spear and 4 in to a Co-Op with my brother. My faction of The Empty has been way more effective than i was expecting, and his Judges are surprisingly capable. I've also been running a 20 turn campaign of Five Parsecs from Home that is approaching it's conclusion, and have been playing Gaslands and Grimdark Future: Firefight sporadically as well. There really do seem to be some fantastic games out there. Since i'm mostly a solo player though, I'd like to just ask if you have any suggestions for other solo tabletop games that are out there? I tend to lean towards sci-fi/cyberpunk, but fantasy is always fun too. Most of the games I see are for multiple people while I lean solo more, which is why i ask. Any suggestions anyone might have would be great.
I am looking for cat ears and tails to add to my sisters of battle miniatures. I have not found any place that has either tails or cat ears, or even cat girl heads that you can put on the existing SoB bodies. Maybe some day.
Rules are more important than good minis. To use your FPS analogy re: Skirmish games, a good game with so-so graphics is better than a AAA game with super graphics and bad gameplay. I grew up with Space Crusade and 40K but moved to Necromunda as I wanted smaller tactical/squad gameplay where every model could influence the outcome. There are so many great skirmish games these days you can avoid GW games if you wanted.
So what i dont like aboht agnostic is that ita hard to find a cohesive set of. Miniature who also seem to fit there 'role', guess i just lack creativity in that way. I feel nore comfortable with a game and a set of compatible heroes. Maybe i should just try a agnostic game with those but still feels off
I always find it amusing and heartwarming when people discover the wargaming world outside of Games Workshop. I design and sell miniature skirmish wargame rules, the best compliment I've had recently was from a 40K player who said my game was "breath of fresh air" and more enjoyable than any 40K game he'd ever played. There is so much more to the hobby than the established (and quite mediocre) mega products out there.
Another subject for you. Do you and your buddies attribute quotes, or if you like, taunts to your enemy? For example, in my last game, Aeldari (Me) v Traitor Guard (My son), he made the following statement just before he unleashed with three Battle Cannon toting Russ. "They are a fine body of Eldar. Soon to be fine bodies of Eldar". He scored an extra victory point for the quote of the battle. The quote was oddly erroneous in as much as when an Aeldari is hit by a battle cannon shot it disintegrates leaving no body.
Great video. Quick question: Do you have any advice for finding play testers for tabletop skirmish/and solo rulesets? I have been designing a miniature game ruleset, as well as a miniature line for it (I'm a 3d modeler by trade) but I'm not sure how to go about finding play testers to help refine the rules. Thanks for any info and always enjoy your vids. :)
I (personally) find the miniatures to be as important as a good ruleset. It wouldn't be as enjoyable for me without the minis and terrain. Thanks for watching!
“Miniature agnostic” = the way things were everywhere before WH .
a.k.a. orthodoxy
For comparison: You can give a rulebook and a full team of Stargrave or Frostgrave to two of your friends (as well as yourself) for less than the starting price of Necromunda. If you use a Perry box, you might be able to stretch it to 4.
True, but you'll need loads of terrain for FG. Sure, you can just use books and cans, but you could just papercraft minis for 40k.
@@willsuttie3683 take a look at this video from miscast. You can fill an entire table with a couple of hours of work with this method and the end result is pretty good looking too: ruclips.net/video/TLZq90aH15k/видео.html
@@willsuttie3683 This was just the required books and a single basic gang for Necromunda. Core book (€45), Gangs of the Underhive (still required)(€32,50), faction book (€32,50) and 1 gang box (€34, so not the fancy extras, total of €144). This does not include terrain.
Vs 4*Frostgrave 2 rulebook (€100, Frostgrave 1 is available for 4*€15=€60), 1*Perry box of 40 dudes (€29) and 1*Frostgrave Wizards (€17).
Terrain can easily be made for 1/4th of GW's offers, though the wandering monsters request a few extra things. I'd just use cardboard and a printed picture for them to start if I didn't have over 300 d&d minis already.
What's a Perry box? Sounds like a heck of a deal
@@hyosworld109 Perry Bros. minis. It looks like YT deleted some replies.
Also plastic historicals tend to be cheaper than plastic fantasy / sci fi because of the competition.
Yep. Can't trademark Napoleon or William the conqueror.
The problem with Ebay for a lot of miniatures is the shipping. If you're lucky and grab some kind of large set that doesn't get swarmed, it might be worth it. But I find the shipping that gets added to it really kills any kind of 'deal' you might find there.
Etsy has the same issues. Oh wow 10 models for 20$, what a steal! But then the shipping is 25$ for every single item you add to cart. Might as well buy from GW at that point.
also do not forget VAT, that also counts shipping cost as "package value"
I was blinking like a stupid seal when I had to pay 50 extra euros in tax.
@@Nick_Whiskey as a full time online reseller(not specifically Warhammer) I apologize for people who don't know how to ship stuff. Its like 11$ for up to 10 pound weight for ups and fed ex ground shipping and in my experience those are both more reliable services than USPS(I've sold over 1k listings to give you an ideal of amount of packages I've shipped)
Having branched away from 40k in recent months, I have been directed towards indie games. Thanks to Uncle Atom I have discoveres awesome games like "Space Weirdos, Zona Alfa and of course Reign in Hell."
I love the game rulesets by OnePageRules. They have made their own miniature agnostic ruleset for a Grimdark future and Age of Fantasy (yes very similar to another name brand). They also sell minis or STL's for you to print your own but you don't need to use their models.
I am blown away that Adam hasn't done a video about GDF, AoF, and OnePageRules
Dropping scale can also be an interesting way to save some cash! Khurushan and similar companies have HUGE ranges of 15mm for Scifi, fantasy, and historical. You can play a skirmish game in 15mm on an 18"x18" board and it's super easy!
Exactly this. Alternative Armies gets my vote, as they have the old Laserburn minis and rules, and that is a huge nostalgia trip, as I cut my wargaming teeth on that game.
Good point. As an example of this Kings of War works fabulously with 10mm or 6mm models at a fraction of the cost
I am getting into ion age 15mm by then. Such a great setting
For 5 Parsecs, you can get by on about 18 enemy minis and 6 for your crew. If you are selective about the minis you buy, they can be multiple different enemy encounter types (although tbh my mini collection keeps expanding the more I play the game)
I play ASOIAF & I took your advice and I provide everything so it's easy for others to play. All they have to do is sit down & play.
Greatly appreciate your advice on painting also. I just paint to my level of acceptance & start playing. Plus, ASOIAF MINIATURES are easy to get on the table because of no assembly required. I get a new unit & it's on the table immediately.
Thanks from Texas & Keep up the great content!!
I found a local game shop that luckily also does printing for you. Might try them next time for minis.
Six months ago or more I was one of the many that asked about getting into Kill Team. Uncle Atom sez, "Get the core book and two boxes of minis". He was right then, but gee dubs put the kibosh on that and released v. 2.
So instead I took those minis that I had purchased for Kill Team and bought Stargrave instead. I am looking forward to running it with my kids.
Thanks again for making these kinds of videos.
I mean, for _some_ Kill Team combinations, you can still get away with single boxes. Ork Boyz or Tactical Marines are a good example. But yes, GW does not make it easy to play their games, before the issue of price enters into it.
I think my point is that getting into it is not as easy as version one. Now that might be opinion, but for sure it is easier to start the miniature agnostic games mentioned in the video, at least easier on the wallet.
Kill team is so very frustrating. It could be a great entry point game but it’s not, everyone I know looks at it, either can’t figure out what to buy or see they need like 3 books, a counter set, maybe terrain set, etc…. And nopes out.
Two things would fix it:
1. Include the rules to play each team IN THE BOX with the team. Having it separate is a pure cash grab.
2. Bundle the essentials kit with the core rules.
That way you only need two things to start playing. Rules and a faction box. Boom.
Glad to see indie systems being given some spotlight! GW's stuff is great but they shouldn't be the entire hobby.
Also, all you really need to have a healthy playgroup is maybe 2 other people. If you play the right system, you won't even need any other people at all!
I played Warhammer 40k from 1994 to about 2014 or so. I sold my army after I didnt play for a number of years, nobody to play with LOL I recently discovered solo player board games and lately I have been in love with Core Space!! Ive been dumping cash on Core Space stuff every paycheck LOL
Core space is amazing. Its a great game and great value even just with the core set.
STLs that are pre-supported are worth their weight in gold, especially when the minis are designed with printing in mind.
I’ve looked at Reign in Hell, got the PDF and I want to do a force for every faction. It is so much fun, the possibilities are endless. Thank you Adam and Vince. Just one question will you be looking at expanding this game?
I seem to remember Adam saying they will not expand it but they will make a new game.
We did make an expansion that we published at the end of September called “The Oculus Spear” and it adds six new scenarios that you can play solo or co-op. Now we’re working on the next game. Thanks for watching!
@@tabletopminions is the new game a sci-fi or more fantasy styled game?
Spiral Arm studios has some very well priced mini sprues. While technically for their Maelstrom's Edge game, they work for any sci-fi setting. (and they also sell terrain sprues that are just small to large scale greeblies and bits for pimping your scratchbuilds)
Battlletech. It's been one of my favorites for decades and it's enjoying something of a resurgence.
Best part is, you only need 4-6 minis per side to have a killer game. :)
Really enjoying One Page Rules to scratch my 40k itch!
I have been having a blast with grimdark future with our old 3th edition armies i just got back.
This was simply fantastic. Thank you. First time viewer, I am off to peruse your channel. You are very thorough.
A veritable cornucopia of options for every taste. Excellent.
Gaslands....Use matchbox/Hotwheels cars and "madmax" it. Scenery is cheap from the 2 dollar stores, then kitbash with spare parts/random bits and bobs. It's a massively underrated game.🤘👽🤘
The "Song of Blades and Heroes" ruleset family is a great collection of (mostly) figure agnostic games.
Watching through this when Uncle Atom is talking about printed miniatures 3D printed. An ad came up for the patreon of a company selling beautiful STL files. For once RUclips got something right.
Nice stealth flex btw, showing the front page of Wargame Vault and both your game and its expansion being on the bestseller list ;)
I've personally never played a GW game, outside of Heroquest and maybe a couple of games of Blood Bowl in the 1990's, and I find the attitude of sticking solely with GW so weird. There's so many great games out there to go and play!
sunk cost fallacy
Part of the reason comes down to finding other players. I can buy every game out there, but if I can’t get my friends to buy in as well, then there’s no point.
Our libraries have a couple of printers and if you can handle one at a time prints within size limits with occasional lines, they print them for free.
Have you ever tried Pulp Alley? It’s a really great mom and pop indie tabletop skirmish game, and the creator Dave is super active on RUclips. Got into it recently and it’s an awesome game and community. Plus it’s pretty agnostic with its pulp setting and characters.
I am ready for an open ruleset 3d printer friendly wargame.
I think One Page Rules is big on that? Like, they have 3D models to print and such?
Like with everything in life: If you are lazy and don't but any work in it you need to pay extra. If you are willing to look beyond your plate and dig around you can save money and find real treasure. Like ordering in a restaurant, going to a buffet or cook yourself... your choice.
2 older games that are great, Stargrunt II & Dirtside II, from Ground Zero Games for 28mm & 6mm Sci-Fi wargaming. They have their own miniatures line, but the game is set up so you can use any figures you want and make up stats for them.
Also, historical miniatures can be used for fantasy games (especially human armies). Historical miniatures can also be used for Horror, SteamPunk & lost world/Dinosaur Safari type games.
Another good idea is using boardgamegeek and boardgameoracle to find board games with good minis and use them as proxies for other games. Example rune wars or zombicide for undead hordes
I got into the hobby just the last few weeks as I was on Amazon and decided to pick up a blood angels death company kit with my credit card points. Always wanted to get into models/minis but never knew anyone who did already and just never got myself to a shop to inquire about them. What started as a free reward impulse item turn into the gateway to this world. I started gathering supplies and all the essentials (Glue, Clippers, Paint, Brushes), then I started pickup up this and that and this doohickey then that doohickey.... 2 weeks deep and I just did my monthly financials and realized I spent over $700 on paint kits, a few other models, storage cases/magnets, and so on. Aye Caraumba! Luckily I have a savings for things like this, but this was entirely unplanned and the $ added up so fast it made my head spin. One would assume I picked up a bunch of larger kits and that ate up the majority of that 700 bucks, but it wasnt! I only picked up one other more bigger kit (W40k Elite Edition) and just two little kits (Orc Gretchins & Blackstone Cultists). It was a ton of those $5-10 purchases on uncommon supply's (Wants = Not needs) that after 30-40 of them all add up to a huge bill!
Remember the days when to curb your spending you stuck your debit/credit card in water and then put it in the freezer... How do we do that with digital accounts! lol
Warhammer is only popular because people play what others are already playing, as you said its difficult to get people to invest into a new system and models. That is why I like "ONE PAGE RULES", because you can use your GW armies in their rule set.
There are so many smaller indie games that run with whatever models you want to use, tabletop has never been cheaper. You can get an entire playable force for many of them 3d printed for next to nothing. Great time to be involved in tabletop.
My gaming club got so sick of GW codex issues and pricing that we jumped all the way back to Star Grunt II. Interesting system, lot of fun.
Disagree on the ebay part! It is great for getting single sprues! If you want to kitbash a small warband you can pick up 1 or 2 sprues from different kits and get away with prices below 10 bucks for a full warband!!! (*depending on shippin costs)
I found this looking for a game to try and get me and my friends into war gaming, but I’m really likin this vibe my guy
Bought the brushes, looking forward to using them.
For my miniatures I use a mix of Reaper minis (pewter and plastic) for the heros. And old HeroQuest for everything else.
Fun fact! Check with your local library. Select Delaware libraries in particular would allow you to schedule a 3D print. For free. It may not be the same everywhere, but it's definitely worth a phone call to see if they offer a service like that in that library or nearby (not all DE libraries had printers, but there was at least 1 in each county at the time).
You should do a walk through on setting up your 3D printer maybe. Done well, could be a nice update for that old video.
There is a guy on youtube, who’s name I can’t remember right now, who prints miniatures designed for 28mm, but scales them down to 10mm. Much less material, requires much less terrain, space on the table, space on the shelf - all of these hidden costs that come with regular 28mm gaming.
The beauty of this is, that you can take the exact rules, ranges etc. your 28mm game uses and change the tape measure to centimetres. It is not exact to the last decimal, as 10“ = 25.4cm, but that is close enough imo. And if you live in Europe, your tabletop gaming tape measure probably already has cm markings in addition to those imperial markings that only get used for tabletop gaming in this part of the world anyway =)
Not to mention there are various existing model lines at this scale, though not as much as 28mm.
Uncle Atom making making my purchases for other wargames less shameful as always :) Pachow
So many options but oddly there aren’t that many demon models all around
If you're looking for demons, nearly any D&D monster could be used as a demon. Thanks for watching!
Lulu also does print on demand for some publishers, like Song of Blades and Heroes.
Also, a lot of publishers have a free pdf online these days. When playing with friends, just proxy or eve play in a smaller scale (which is what I am doing).
We should just form like a community that develops our own rule sets and then shares them. I’m working on a game that takes place starting with the Gaullic wars that runs all the way through the Conquistadors. There are different unit stats for the different ages of armor and such and the differences in projectiles and black powder weaponry will also have different capacities/capabilities at different times, obviously starting at the beginning when there weren’t any.
So I got into GW games at like 7 years old, I’m pretty young still, I’m only 33, but I absolutely have noticed that people are hesitant to try new stuff, which is why when I wanted to introduce a new game at my LGS (they have really nice tables in the basement and second floor) I brought enough troops (save up for a 3-D printer REGARDLESS of what you play. GW are disgusting extortionists, don’t pay their bullshit prices, you can print up space marines for fractions of a penny on the dollar because of how much GW marks up. I did the math before I got my first 3-D printer the year after I graduated high school, at the time it was like a hey penny on the dollar, now it’s even crazier like 1/10th of a penny on the dollar, or maybe more now, i don’t even check gw’s product line anymore so I don’t know for sure).
Cheaper yet, play a board-wargame like Combat Commander (WWII by GMT), Nuklear Winter '68 (Weird War by Lock’n’Load), Battles of Westeros (Song of Ice & Fire by FFG), etc… Miniature wargames gave birth to board-wargames in the 60’s. They run the gamut from historical to genre and from tactical (which nearly all minis-wargames simulate) to operational and strategic.
Best of both worlds; Play Warhammer and everything else that interests you. That's what I do.
I remember buying literal sand from GW when I was a kid. Marketing genies.
I remember basing a horse jumping over a “log” and I didn’t want to just use a stick from the garden… because “it’s not GW and will rot away”
That stick looks like the realest mf log ever, never painted it even! Still alive and un-rotted away 10 years later
I am a builder abs painter only and I love it - bought for 70% off a Mantic Tree Herder and a Reaper Bones Black Fungal Queen today and am looking forward to painting both and possibly adding more to the Tree Herder. But I also buy a ton of 40K Space Marines but that is cause I love love love the aesthetic.
One Page Rules for wargaming and GURPS for RPGs. Enjoy freedom.
Cost of living crises really helps convince people
I just discovered FPFH. Cannot wait to get my book. FPFH and Star Breach will work together for me.
Thanks for the ideas, I lost all my stuff in a fire then break-in. Great fun for this timely video.
I've got a 3d printer and too much time on my hands. Are you in the United States or Canada? I can print off some stuff for you, if you give me a wish list and place (like a PO box or something) I can send it to.
For Reign in Hell I can't reccomend enough the following sources.
Mantic Games Succubi or Lower Abyssals, Frostgrave Demons, Reaper Miniatures even dnd demons/devils work well.
For things like Battletech a whole army is literally 12 mechs or the equivalent in tanks/aircraft/infantry.
I have been able to buy up a heap of older plastic models cheaply on Ebay and supplemented them with cheap metals from Iron Wind Metals via Ral Partha Europe.
Built two 36 unit armies and I am pretty much done with that.
But still buying up smaller demon/elemental warbands for Reign in Hell.
Kings of war is fairly agnostic as they do not make all units and let you use what you like even in tournaments.
“Miniature agnostic” = the way things were everywhere before WH .
a.k.a. orthodoxy
First non GW game I got involved in was Wargods by Crocodile games and was Mr FitzPatrick himself that showed me the game and still play it now when I get the chance. Indi games are great as you can have lots in a bag and be ready to go. I always carried in 1 bag 8+ different games systems as I can't guarantee booking a day/time so always good to have other systems so I can almost guarantee myself a game.
where are the soldiers from that pop up at 4.30 ive seem them before but can never find them when searching
Pig Iron Productions/Kolony Militia Booster Pack
Warlords of Erehwon, a fantasy version of Bolt Action built with the STATED PURPOSE of being played with any odd fantasy miniatures you have lying around.
It's great hearing Americans and Canadians using the word cludgie, but not so sure everyone knows it means toilet in the Scots language
Interesting. According to Wikipedia: "A kludge or kluge is a workaround or quick-and-dirty solution that is clumsy, inelegant, inefficient, difficult to extend and hard to maintain. This term is used in diverse fields such as computer science, aerospace engineering, Internet slang, evolutionary neuroscience, and government." Thanks for watching!
@@tabletopminions we use it as a term for a bad/bodged work around for stuff to get it to work also
Biggest problem searching for Infinity minis is that Disney has a range of plushies or something, called "Infinity" - it's all Avengers and stuff like that.
Be specific and search for "Infinity Nomads", or "Infinity Combined Army", etc.
Get away from the idea that the model MUST be 'what you see is what you get' (WYSIWYG) which I also call Warhammer Hypnosis. As long as one model is able to be identified as different from the other by color or symbol then you can just rely on the stat sheet. This will open up a huge range of options from you shelf and other sources.
Diversifying my wargame portfolio.
ONE PAGE RULES for games that will satisfy your 40k or WH FB etc including Warcry and KillTeam
Ash was responsible for me getting into Frostgrace and Rangers of Shadowdeep.
I know this video is a year old now, but does anyone know where those 2 blue mech minis come from at minute 9:17 in the video?
Do you have a video ranking/comparing/discussing a bunch of mini game rule systems? I want to find more alternatives that are fun
I have to bring up Bloodfields & Bloodfields: Eternal Sorrow. I love Titan Forge minis and I am really enjoying their rule system. I accept most people won't print minis for this game so I keep 10 fully painted factions and introduce the game to people.
Big pdf indie fan, and use wargames vault a lot, we are lucky in the UK and have lots of Web based print services that you can upload the pdf to, personalise in terms of paper type, binding and size. So one assumes similar exists in NAmerica?
Ground Zero Games, GZG, has a CLASSIC rules sets for FREE. As in 0$, just download... Ground warfare is covered under "Dirtside 2" (company size and larger battles for micro-armor scale to 15mm miniatures), "Stargrunt 2" (platoon size skirmish, vehicles are built using the Dirtside rules....), and finally starship rules "Full Thrust". While the rules are older (late 90's), they have stood the test of time, and besides, they make great miniatures they would love to sell you if you like the rules (but the lore, and the miniatures, are highly optional).
I play wargames including lots of GW (Killteam, Middle Earth SBG, Necromunda and Battlefleet Gothic and 40K) and then the other 50 or so games that I play.
Osprey games is a great source for quick interesting rules; Ash’s Gamma Wolves is a great example and my Rackham Therian are locked and loaded for that rule set.
Whether it’s a GW figure or someone else’s I always try to base in the same style (25mm round, Vallejo earth paste, Steel Legion Drab, Agrax Earthshade and Army painter tufts) so that it’s not the base that stops interchangeability.
Next episode, Atom discovers Napoleonic Mass battles and pines away for the cheapness of GW. :)
Great episode, if a little heavy on the 3d printing side. There are thousands of companies and small manufacturers out there making more figures and terrain than you can imagine.
3d printing makes all historical dreams come true ;) I made a huge 15mm ww2 collection for next to no money.
Napoleonics, where the soldiers are SUPPOSED to be identical copies of one another? Pennies!!
You forgot to mention stoppy robot game
Try out Dead Man's Hand by Great Escape Games for an awesome, and cheap, wild west skirmish game
Such a fun set of rules. The card mechanics are brilliant
A shoutout for "Stargrunt 2" which is the game that got me to give up Warhammer. It's been made available for free by the author at Ground Zero Games. Free doesn't mean bad! It's one of the best platoon level sci-fi games out there. Because it's all fun and games until the orks call in an orbital bombardment....
Battletech is ridiculously affordable and the community supports 3D printing and total model freedom. Jump on the bandwagon and join the Capellans!
I like where your message is going!
In the 90's i got about $380 worth of eldar warhammer 40k guys for xmas.
Biggest mistake of my life. I spent more time painting them than i did playing them and i bought them based on how cool they looked and when i saw how they played together i was very dismayed.
I had a friend who had the space marine starter set abd he beat me 3/3 games and i was so upset at how much i spent on the miniatures and peripherals and how much it would cost to extend my army (impossible) that i threw them all on the garbage abd decided the game was for rich europeans clinging to atari computers.
I got 5 parsecs from home, 5 klicks from the zone and 5 leagues from...whatever it was.
They are great coop and sp miniature war/rpg games.
I bought cheap colour coded army men, i got small plastic dinosaurs, plastic bugs and other toys you'd see in the dollar store.
I used 1/2" foam insulation boards from a hardware store and glued paper printouts onto the shapes for textures.
I use construction paper for grass, dirt, water, etc.
Also got cheap plastic aquarium and train scenery plants and things for decorations.
(Glued stuff onto coins and washers for weighted bases)
Now for modern warfare at least i have tons of options for a fraction of the warhammer price.
Doesnt look photo realistic but it is very geometric and playable which in my opinuon makes the game more playable.
Still the time i spent cutting, gluing, and printing made me wonder what the hell i was doing. Computer games have a lot if pro's.
(I got it all from amazon, wargamevault, and a few impulse buys from a local dollar store)
I will never pay $10 fir a hunk of pkastic or pewter ever again.
If anyone has any ideas on doing fantasy miniatures i have been using smg guys for goblins and that might be going too far but for games with ogres, goblins, elves, worgs, dragons and so on the variation has kind of pushed me away. I was drawing paper cuboids but got sick of it. For some reason i felt strongly about drawing each side of the unit and it took forever.
Saucerman studios terrain stl on sale thru cyber Monday awesome Sci fi models.
I've been playing Reign in Hell, bought the game, have the pdf. and got Oculus Spear. I'm 2 missions in to a solo run of Oculus Spear and 4 in to a Co-Op with my brother. My faction of The Empty has been way more effective than i was expecting, and his Judges are surprisingly capable. I've also been running a 20 turn campaign of Five Parsecs from Home that is approaching it's conclusion, and have been playing Gaslands and Grimdark Future: Firefight sporadically as well. There really do seem to be some fantastic games out there.
Since i'm mostly a solo player though, I'd like to just ask if you have any suggestions for other solo tabletop games that are out there? I tend to lean towards sci-fi/cyberpunk, but fantasy is always fun too. Most of the games I see are for multiple people while I lean solo more, which is why i ask. Any suggestions anyone might have would be great.
Check out Rangers of Shadowdeep - it’s designed to be played solo. Thanks for watching!
I am looking for cat ears and tails to add to my sisters of battle miniatures. I have not found any place that has either tails or cat ears, or even cat girl heads that you can put on the
existing SoB bodies. Maybe some day.
Recasting old minis
We don’t believe that you are against 3D printing, just that you are against setting it up. ;)
That DOES seem to be true. Thanks for watching!
I’ve been having huge successes buying fantasy miniatures on eBay in uk atm
Can I ask what the range those droids are from at 9:15?
They're 3D prints sculpted by www.myminifactory.com/users/Papsikels - I got 'em on Etsy. Thanks for watching!
@@tabletopminions Excellent! Thank you!
Stopped starting 40K about a year ago. Playing SAGA instead. Great fun.
Rules are more important than good minis. To use your FPS analogy re: Skirmish games, a good game with so-so graphics is better than a AAA game with super graphics and bad gameplay. I grew up with Space Crusade and 40K but moved to Necromunda as I wanted smaller tactical/squad gameplay where every model could influence the outcome. There are so many great skirmish games these days you can avoid GW games if you wanted.
So what i dont like aboht agnostic is that ita hard to find a cohesive set of. Miniature who also seem to fit there 'role', guess i just lack creativity in that way. I feel nore comfortable with a game and a set of compatible heroes. Maybe i should just try a agnostic game with those but still feels off
thank you for saving us from crippling debt
that joke "Want to Wargame on the Cheap? Dont play Warhamer er er her her her her"..... oh boy is that a good one :D :D
Do you think I can find a ruleset on the wargaming vault website of the miniature agnostic kind where I can use medieval knight toys from amazon?
There’s probably a bunch of rules there that you could use. Thanks for watching!
eBay can be pretty sweet for other named games, I got the Guild Ball Kick Off set for 15$
Im very new to printing, but how did you split the bomb from the Artillery Witch?
Were you able to do that in the Bambu Lab studio?
I haven’t printed an Artillery Witch. Maybe this comment is on the wrong video? Thanks for watching!
I kinda looked into OPG but kinda confused how that works since I've never played
I always find it amusing and heartwarming when people discover the wargaming world outside of Games Workshop. I design and sell miniature skirmish wargame rules, the best compliment I've had recently was from a 40K player who said my game was "breath of fresh air" and more enjoyable than any 40K game he'd ever played. There is so much more to the hobby than the established (and quite mediocre) mega products out there.
Do you have a link to your stuff, i am kind of interresed?
Another subject for you. Do you and your buddies attribute quotes, or if you like, taunts to your enemy? For example, in my last game, Aeldari (Me) v Traitor Guard (My son), he made the following statement just before he unleashed with three Battle Cannon toting Russ. "They are a fine body of Eldar. Soon to be fine bodies of Eldar". He scored an extra victory point for the quote of the battle. The quote was oddly erroneous in as much as when an Aeldari is hit by a battle cannon shot it disintegrates leaving no body.
I dig my 40K, a lot, but I would like to try a miniature game with that cyberpunk vibe. Cyberpunk is wicked cool. To me.
playing is expensive, collecting requires some cash and painting requires anyway, you must spend something
Great video. Quick question: Do you have any advice for finding play testers for tabletop skirmish/and solo rulesets? I have been designing a miniature game ruleset, as well as a miniature line for it (I'm a 3d modeler by trade) but I'm not sure how to go about finding play testers to help refine the rules.
Thanks for any info and always enjoy your vids. :)
Playing wargames with counters will save lots of money and time. Like reading a book without pictures. GMT, DVG, Compass Games etc.
I (personally) find the miniatures to be as important as a good ruleset. It wouldn't be as enjoyable for me without the minis and terrain. Thanks for watching!
9:19 can I get a source on these cool gundam lookin troops
They're 3D prints sculpted by www.myminifactory.com/users/Papsikels - I got 'em on Etsy. Thanks for watching!