I found out I wasn’t related to my Dad in my 30’s, I wasn’t angry but it explained a lot about my different look and how his siblings treated me. I told him I knew but he is always Dad and Grampa and nothing changed. He said I was supposed to go to adoption until mom’s sister called him to come to the hosp because he needed to see this baby and he reluctantly came..I was healthy, pink,strawberry blond w green eyes while my siblings were sickly, jaundiced w dark features..he sat w me in his arms and said ‘so..what are we naming her?’ He was a great dad!
So, because you were prettier ( in your eyes) than your siblings, that’s why he wanted to claim you. Maybe he felt sorry for you because you weren’t as pretty as your darker siblings. That would be my guess. Red faced , red haired babies are not any prettier than darker babies. I have both in my family and my darker haired siblings were always prettier. Glad you had a good, sympathetic man as your dad.
When Loretta Young confessed the truth to Judy, she described the encounter as date rape. Considering the time and attitudes about women and sex, it sounds plausible. A lot of men at the time believed that women meant yes when they resisted. Also, as we’ve seen with recent legal cases, powerful men believed that entitled them to whatever or whoever they wanted. It doesn’t make what they did right but considering the attitude at the time nothing would have been done and her reputation would have been ruined.
There are Women who are attracted to wealthy powerful men - it is quite the aphrodisiac. When it doesn’t work out for the women … they cry rape decades later. This is a slap in the face to any woman who was really assaulted…
yes and thinking of old hollywood films, forced kissing which was often portrayed as against a lady;'=s wishes. .and she sucummed to this or slapped the guy would have been the norm when he was acting. It implied sex.. as far as the censor would allow. I can see this too. Her reputation and career would have been n shreds She would not have won. there was nowhere to turn.
Our ex-President uses “they let you get away with it” bullshit whenever he has a hankering to grab a boob or other body part that doesn’t belong to him. Isn’t he a shining example of disgusting?
THE AFFAIR WENT ON during and after Call Of The Wild. There was no rape. That was Loretta protecting her 'reputation'. The producer and co stars ALL said Young and and Gable were together the whole time and it was an open secret on set. The 'rape' story is BS.
Wynonna Judd didn't know who her biological father was until adulthood and by then he had already died. Naomi kept this info from Wy until Ashley threatened to finally tell if her mom didn't. Seems Naomi had what she termed as storytelling ability---which was actually code for compulsive lying.
Jack Nicholson's story is pretty common. Bobby Darin experienced the same situation. I had great aunts that had a lot of "tumors" and had to leave home to recuperate.
I am now 68... never ever pregnant. However, I (preplanned) left home aged 21 to share a flat in London with a girl i had been in school with and who was living there. I just wanted to spread my wings. On my first visit home some 3 weeks later the awful woman next door had the cheek to stare for a little too long at my stomoch.. I knew then she was convinced I had only left home because I was pregnant. lol.. small towns for you.. if they don;t know they make it up. I stared right back at her .. I went home every few weeks so I am sure she soon realised I wasn;t having a baby. she is still alive. the old witch.. I am very tempted to write to her. My mother has long died and my Dad.. so a nice little card stating I knew what you did would give me a lot of satisfaction. She never eve moved out of the town whilst I hae worked abroad for a bit and had a good career when I worked as well as many great experiences. One day, on visiting my mother when I was 42 her nitwit of a husband blurted out over the side fence.. you are an old maid, aren't you.. referencing I have never married.. He was putting me down.. on purpose.. I said.. Old maid am I Brian? Well, let me ask you something. do you know how that term came about. err. no.. well I will tell you (all the time my Mum was listening to this in the house, lol, I later discovered). i said well. A maid is an old term used a very long time ago for an unmarried girl who had not lost her 'Maidenhead' or her virginity. I can assure you Brian, as its obviously worrying you sick, that i have definitely lost mine and am very happy about it. I am far from an old maid. You know nothing whatsoever about me but think its ok to throw out a out of date insult like that which I know you intended as an insult to me. Actually all you have succeeded in doing is make yourself look a complete fool. Good day Brian.. and I walked into Mums house very slowly, smiling broadly. She told me she had head the exchange and was 'very very proud' of my quick fire back at the stupid eejit. lol. Small towners.. GOD SAVE ME FROM THE IGNORANT TWITS. lol. I had saved lives, Had a baby named after me by the mother, who I had arrested, and did caring things for people and achieved commendations and made lots of lovely friends and had long meaningful love affairs. All I didn;t do was marry and sit in my underpants like him calling people names. Yet HE sought to write me off.
A young girl across the street from me was passed off as an adopted child ... until she started resembling both her "sister" Kate and her mother. Unwed teens were sent away to birth their babies and their moms lied to hopefully avert a scandal, but people talk and gossip and soon figure things out anyway.
My brother has allowed his son to call him by his first name since he was maybe high school? I can't remember exactly what. I asked a therapist about that once and she told me that when a child does that, he/she is DISTANCING him/herself from the father .
I was neighbors with Orson's daughter, Bea for ages. She had a local Christmas store for quite awhile and several times I saw Orson on a visit, he was at the time living in Las Vegas. Bea is still alive as afar as I know, I wonder if she'd be willing for a DNA test.
Not only do I still suspect that Lindsay-Hogg is Orson Welles's kid, take a took at actor Tim McIntire. He is ostensibly the son of actor John McIntire, but his resemblance to Welles is uncanny.
Gable and Young STARRED IN A FILM together "Call of the Wild - that's how it started, She even suggested decades later that it was date rape. He pretty much ignored her and his child's entire life. Hardly an affair. They were never a "secret" Hollywood couple
He didn't ignore his daughter. Loretta was TERRIFIED if anyone saw Gable leaving her home they'd put 2 and 2 together. Please read Cheryl Lewis ' book. Loretta contradicts her experiences with Gable throughout her life. From reading both Cheryl's and Lorettas book I believe Cheryl was the better person and admired her for stepping forward to uncover the truth. Loretta wouldn't speak to her when she appeared with Barbara Walters. Loretta didn't realize that by covering up the truth and calling Cheryl " my mortal sin" she was hurting her daughter more. By the time Cheryl wrote her book most of old Hollywood had passed away or had dementia.
@@christinanielsen1917 They had a full blown affair that start on the COTW set and continued into 1936. There was no rape. MANY old Hollywood biographies talk of it. Then Loretta 'went away' and Clark met Lombard...end of story. I too read their books as well as over 500 other Old Hollywood biographies. There was an affair NOT a rape.
That is because he IS Arnold's. It may have been a terrible time for his marriage, however, as a parent, he is a good man and stepped into that young man's life as a father Very compelling g
what about mia farrows son hes is definatly frank sinartras he is even into politics like his dad u can see bit of mom but his face when he smiles too hes franks for sure
But at the time she became pregnant with Ronan, who is now approximately 33, she had been with Woody Allen for many years. And her marriage to Sinatra lasted maybe 2 years, if that. They divorced way back in 1968.
He might be. But he looks like his mothers family too. Sinatras legitimate kids swear he isnt. Don't think Mia would have messed around on Woody Allan. She was crazy about him -- well, until....
Ingmar Bergman never hid the fact that her children were born her twin daughters were born out of wedlock. In fact, there was no secret to that. It was literally an open secret and considering that she was Swedish to boot nobody thought twice of it, so how is it a big secret?
Ingmar Bergman was male and a director.. You mean Ingrid Bergman.. the famous female Swedish, i think, and later ,Hollywood actress who also worked for one of her husbands, the director Rossalini. She was pilloried for being open about her twin duighters being born out of wedlock and for a time lost Hollywood work because of it. She stood firm. They did think twice about it. very much so.
@@msailuromaniac No, Ingmar was a few years younger than Ingrid Bergman, and they were not related to each other in any way. He was married to an Ingrid for a while, but not the actress. He was married to Liv Ullmann, a famous Norwegian actress who made it big in the US.
Actually it was a date rape situation with loretta young when they were in call of the wild together.....she had to flee to france to save the baby......there was no affair........loretta told her the truth without the drama implied
I've read exactly what you say. No romance prior to Call of the Wild. Loretta was very young. Also I've always thought Judy Lewis looks like Loretta Young, not like Clark Gable.
I READ THE OPPOSITE? William Wellman the director said they were inseparable the whole film and after the crew returned to LA. Jack Oakie, a co star backed it up. They ate meals separately from the crew...Doubt you would do that with 'a man who had raped you"?? They parted when Gable hooked up with Lombard in 1936. Gable was married to Ria Langham to the time. Garson Kanin and lots of others have written about the ;NOT SO SECRET' affair between Gable and Young. Loretta was protecting herself with the rape story.
DNA identification is a recent scientific innovation. Not available when these cases were happening. Blood typing was available, but it could only be used to rule out parentage, not confirm it.
My Dad wasn’t my bio father, to which I’m grateful. My Dad raised me, cared for me and taught me. That other guy was a guy, my Mom said she met at a party she shouldn’t have been at.
When I was born, from a 16 year old mother and 17 year old father, I was the dirty little secret that everyone knew about except me. First experience was sitting in 9th grade homeroom and the teacher taking roll call, when he got to me he called me my mothers name, twice. It didn't register at first because I wasn't really listening to him, its homeroom, but I looked up and everyone was staring at me so I looked at the teacher and he repeated my mothers name and I responded " A@#$ is my mothers name, I'm Andria". I was raised by my maternal grandmom (forever known as MOM) and would see my mother all the time but I had no idea who she was until I was probably four or five and my mother dumped her two young sons off at MOMs house after leaving her husband (not my father THANK GOD!) and decided to move from NYS to California for six months. After she left my MOM sat myself and the two boys (my half brothers, I had no idea they were actually my brothers) down in my room and she told me "A@#$ is your real mother and are your brothers". I was too young to fully understand what all of that meant and my response was "So does that mean I get to play with the boys all the time?". I have had no real relationship with my mother and even less to nonexistent with my bio father, my MOM took me to the bank he worked at when I was probably six and she spoke to him but I had no idea who he was later when I was working at McDonalds he came through my line and we locked eyes but I still didn't know who he was but after I took his order I turned around and said to a co-worker that "I think I just waited on my father", years later I spoke to him once on the phone to "surprise him" on his birthday and I asked him if he came through my line at McD's? It was him. I've seen photos of him but I've still never met him. Those years at McDs an older couple always use to come in for coffee and breakfast and they said that I looked like my grandmother, my PATERNAL grandmother who had passed giving birth to my father and his twin brother which I didn't know at the time. Later they brought their high school yearbook that I also graduated from, and showed me a picture of my grandmother, it was shocking how much I looked like her. Later I gained access to my high school archives at the school and found the yearbooks for when my mother, father and his twin brother were in school, turned out that most of the teachers and the principal were teachers when my bio parents were in school and the school secretary when to school with both of my parents. Everyone knew I was the ba$tard child and gossiped about me. Also turns out that the parents of one of my "friends" also went to school with my bio parents and one day my "friend" walked up to me and said "I know who your father is but I'm not going to tell you." Sometimes being the "dirty little secret" is a bitch!!!
is all of this language yours or used towards you? I suggest for a happier life YOU at least stop describing yourself thus. they were most likely in love or thought they were when young and conceived you - that makes you a love child not a dirty little secret. i do not know what society you live in but where I come from - England - even back in day earlier in the 20th Century, and I am 68 now, no one treated a child like that for decades and decades. the cruelty of your young 'friend' is diabolical. It all appears to have left a mark on you and for that I am truly sorry. You are no one's 'dirty secret'. you are you own person and can make your own mark in life and be who you want to be. If this was recently i would say to that so say friend that you know who HER real parents are too.. let her feel how upsetting it is.. if its years ago.. try to let go of all of this as hard as it is. the only person its hurting is you.
@@mariahoulihan9483. I’m a survivor of a narcissistic mother who stalked and baby trapped my father! I’m also 68 now and I have to say, finding out I was a “bastard” made my view of different situations quite different! I actually used to pray I was adopted! Due to the bullying I experienced as a child in the late 50’s and 60’s I have a more liberal attitude towards “family” 👋🇨🇦
@@mariahoulihan9483 My bio parents were NOT "in love"😂. It's was a prom night fling, in fact, my bio father married his girlfriend shortly after and my half sister was born 18 months later. My bio mother hooked up with someone else, got pregnant when I was six months old, left me behind and married the guy. I am not uncomfortable with the descriptive language I use about myself because it is socially accurate for the time. As for the "friend"? I forgave her long ago and she has since passed away although we never talked about a year after she moved away for school and that was probably 25 years before she passed. Hurt people hurt people. Jealous people hurt others because they don't recognize the hurt in themselves. I add her to my story because it's relevant.
@@mariahoulihan9483Hello I read your reply to above messanger . I was born out of wedlock but wasn't tol til I was @12 which was very alien to me no 2 children are alike & yes there are people even today that are shocked . It usually is a pattern with upper class comparison . I am 60 have marched by my own drum ,my parents that raised me are the only ones I ever called Mum & Dad. Special greetings from Vancouver BC 🇨🇦🪶
Just adding that biology and sperm do not a father make! To be raised with love by a daddy (not sharing your dna) is unconditional love at its best! Yes, curiosity to see and know ‘who’ bio daddy is can throw a curve but hardly devastation if the child/parent (non bio) relationship was healthy. This is why adoption of newborns or very young children who knew the constancy of being loved from the beginning, works!!!! ❤️
Why did't these people just tell their children the truth it just is not fair to these children I did not meet my father till I was 21 all this really hurts people. And the kids did nothing!!!!! Cheri
Back then especially for a young unmarried woman a baby out of that circumstance would absolutely not be acceptable. My mother had an older half brother that even though had been married for many years it was because the young lady was pregnant. Apparently, my grandfather did not speak to him for years if ever. IT WAS NOT DONE!!!!
it was a different time and being illigetimate was very different to today. I also think it best to tell children but people were worried also of the effects on the child of knowing. society was different.
Because it was "wrong". And the woman would or could lose her career, or even her life. Makes no sense now. Actually didn't make much then either, but that's the way it was.
Suggest you read re William Wellman, Jack Oakie...Director and co star of COTW? They had an affair that lasted until after they returned to LA. IT WAS AN OPEN SECRET. Even Judy Lewis...THE DAUGHTER....knew her mother wasn't telling the truth. There was no rape.
My Dad wasn't my biological father, either. But you have to creat your own pat throughout life. I know my grandparents were to be known as mommy and daddy.
Gable/Young wasn’t a ‘love affair’ it was date rape! Young went head first into religion out of guilt and Gable stayed away out of guilt-he only saw Judy twice in her life..if it was ‘love’ there wouldn’t be guilt but keeping Judy out of the spotlight was great considering what his son and grandchildren, with their drug habits, are going thru. and it’s ORson not OLson
There is also the fact that Gable had just had a very expensive divorce, re married and didn’t want to have another divorce. Though a few years later he divorced his 2nd wife to marry Carol Lombard so he probably didn’t want to marry Young. He never made any gesture toward his daughter.
We don't know Gable's side of the story. Young was an extremely devout Catholic, so it was possible that claiming date rape was a way of not taking responsibility for her "sin." I'm not saying she wasn't forced but there's just as much possibility that she wasn't. No other woman has ever come forward with a similar allegation, so why would Gable lose control with Loretta Young? In addition, they worked together again after that--surely a woman would find some way of avoiding having to work with her alleged rapist? It's not like she needed the money and I suspect MGM would've given way and found another vehicle for her if she refused.
According to her daughter Cheryl Lewis' book Loretta Young told her daughter she regretted not putting pressure on Gable to marry her once she found out she was pregnant. A woman who was raped would never want to see her rapist again. The crew made remarks among themselves when Gable and young disappeared frequently when the bad weather prevented them from shooting the film. This was total lust by both of them and Loretta knew he was married so while they both committed adultery she would be the hypocrite among the two. He didn't claim to be religious.
My birth fathers 1st cousin is adamant that his famous cousin didn’t father any other children. I have done my DNA with Ancestry, and have people in my DNA match list, that are DNA related to me, because of my birth father.
Sadly, they were all at it in the golden age of the cinema, they all had morals of alleycat. They were all sleeping with each other, and then also sleeping with the same sex , was absolutely disgusting. The image portrayed was that of which the movie moguls wanted to portray, but the reality was actually very disgusting, have watched enough documentaries to last me, a lifetime to see how bad they all were.Even the heads of the studios were booking women who got pregnant, to get abortions. It was a common thing, and they were just told that so-and-so is going away for a rest as an actual fact they were going off to have abortions once twice even three times and it’s really sad.
Really, no different than the general population. Hollywood just had persistent news coverage by reporters (like today) paid extra for a scoop, i.e. titillating "news" story - like today's Daily Mail. And videos like this!
untrue.. they did not ALL. they were NOT ALL sleeping with one another.. or gay. You and your disgust need to get out more. Was Hollywood clean and scandal free? I doubt it very much. Your assertion about ALL of them,however, is insulting and silly. If you used the word some I might nbe on board. I am well aware as we all are of the sexually harrassment which went on and probably still does. its was not ALL of them.
Some things are just hereditary such as Jack Nicholson grew to be just like his Dad. He may be a great actor but a poor excuse for a man who goes around making babies but not being their father.
Just like Jagger and these other old men who won't live to see the kids graduate from high school. Support money isn't a substitute for the actual presence of a father in their lives.
I find it odd that you said ...when morals and family values were a big deal. This is not true affairs, mistresses and trysts have been going on for ages. The only difference back then in Hollywood was telecommunication. They were famous stars who were visible across the world and suppose to be held to high standards to hold on to their careers. Today with Iphones if a star sneezes they know 2 minutes later. Let alone have a child.
Judy Lewis wrote that when her mother found out what "date rape" was, she, Loretta Young, told Judy that her conception had happened as a result of that happening with Gable. Not so sure that it was that much of an affair but perhaps something else.
@@pamelasimone5084 Nicholson looks and sounds like young Henry Fonda and has some of his mannerisms. He undoubtedly has his talent, more than Peter. I believe he was helped in the business by the Fonda’s.
A young woman working closely on a daily basis for months at a time with some of the most handsome and charismatic men in the world? Why not enjoy them?
Orson Welles had a daughter with Rita Hayworth that they gave up for adoption. She would have a son who was the subject of "Prodigal Sons", a documentary by Veronica Reed who grew up with him when the Reeds adopted him.
A legal marriage legitimizes a child, no matter your "preference." God blesses marriage for our benefit, to protect the children and to avoid the emotional pain that is so prevalent.
Amazing what the women were put through. But whenever the men are discussed (not just here) it's almost something impish with a twinkle in their eye. For the same acts.
Maybe back then it wouldn’t matter if they did resist. When I was in high school, I knew three girls who were assaulted by the father of another friend and two friend who were assaulted by their boyfriends. When one of the friends broke up with her boyfriend, someone set me up with him. He trapped me in the laundry room and tried getting at me. He was like a wild animal. Lucky for me, my friend came to get this guy because the guy who set us up said he had to leave. He didn’t even say goodbye; he just left. He would see me at school and never acknowledge me with a “Hi.” I was really scared and am sure if he hadn’t been interrupted I would have been another one of his victims. I know he dated other girls and he was probably just like that with them and it’s obvious no one ever reported him.
@@pamelasimone5084 So sorry that happened to you. Hope you have someone you can vent to. It helps. I think this stuff happened a lot back in the day, I know it did in the 60’s and 70’s. I knew very few women my age who haven’t been assaulted.
it wasn;t a case of her wanting to resist him. he flaming well RAPED her. Plus.. as an aside, is reported very severe halitosis was something of a deterrent. yuck all round.
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I found out I wasn’t related to my Dad in my 30’s, I wasn’t angry but it explained a lot about my different look and how his siblings treated me. I told him I knew but he is always Dad and Grampa and nothing changed. He said I was supposed to go to adoption until mom’s sister called him to come to the hosp because he needed to see this baby and he reluctantly came..I was healthy, pink,strawberry blond w green eyes while my siblings were sickly, jaundiced w dark features..he sat w me in his arms and said ‘so..what are we naming her?’ He was a great dad!
Strange you were born with green eyes.
Were you related to your Dad in your 20"?
*LOVE is way stronger than blood! I'm glad you had the best dad! You KNOW your dad wanted YOU!❤️*
It's a shame all men are not like your dad, the definition of a real man.
So, because you were prettier ( in your eyes) than your siblings, that’s why he wanted to claim you. Maybe he felt sorry for you because you weren’t as pretty as your darker siblings. That would be my guess. Red faced , red haired babies are not any prettier than darker babies. I have both in my family and my darker haired siblings were always prettier. Glad you had a good, sympathetic man as your dad.
My dad wasn't my bio dad. But he was my Father. I found out at 12
Many, many bio fathers aren’t daddies !
When Loretta Young confessed the truth to Judy, she described the encounter as date rape. Considering the time and attitudes about women and sex, it sounds plausible. A lot of men at the time believed that women meant yes when they resisted. Also, as we’ve seen with recent legal cases, powerful men believed that entitled them to whatever or whoever they wanted. It doesn’t make what they did right but considering the attitude at the time nothing would have been done and her reputation would have been ruined.
There are Women who are attracted to wealthy powerful men - it is quite the aphrodisiac. When it doesn’t work out for the women … they cry rape decades later. This is a slap in the face to any woman who was really assaulted…
yes and thinking of old hollywood films, forced kissing which was often portrayed as against a lady;'=s wishes. .and she sucummed to this or slapped the guy would have been the norm when he was acting. It implied sex.. as far as the censor would allow. I can see this too. Her reputation and career would have been n shreds She would not have won. there was nowhere to turn.
Our ex-President uses “they let you get away with it” bullshit whenever he has a hankering to grab a boob or other body part that doesn’t belong to him. Isn’t he a shining example of disgusting?
THE AFFAIR WENT ON during and after Call Of The Wild. There was no rape. That was Loretta protecting her 'reputation'. The producer and co stars ALL said Young and and Gable were together the whole time and it was an open secret on set. The 'rape' story is BS.
I dislike how romantic they tried to make their relationship in this video, it was sexual assault not a romance
Olson? I heard that twice and it was so confusing! ORSON, ORSON Welles.
Same, irritates me when names are incorrect!
Why?
@@DameNickumI know.
Robovoice is full of errors.
same, the script of video needs to be censored more carefully
Sadly, I never knew who my biological father was until I was 40! I can't imagine being in the Hollywood spotlight with these issues.
Wynonna Judd didn't know who her biological father was until adulthood and by then he had already died. Naomi kept this info from Wy until Ashley threatened to finally tell if her mom didn't. Seems Naomi had what she termed as storytelling ability---which was actually code for compulsive lying.
Jack Nicholson's story is pretty common. Bobby Darin experienced the same situation. I had great aunts that had a lot of "tumors" and had to leave home to recuperate.
In the 50’s/60’s a lot of girls went out of town to stay with their aunts!
I had 3 school mates over the years in the 1950s whoes parents were actually their grandparents.
I am now 68... never ever pregnant. However, I (preplanned) left home aged 21 to share a flat in London with a girl i had been in school with and who was living there. I just wanted to spread my wings. On my first visit home some 3 weeks later the awful woman next door had the cheek to stare for a little too long at my stomoch.. I knew then she was convinced I had only left home because I was pregnant. lol.. small towns for you.. if they don;t know they make it up. I stared right back at her .. I went home every few weeks so I am sure she soon realised I wasn;t having a baby. she is still alive. the old witch.. I am very tempted to write to her. My mother has long died and my Dad.. so a nice little card stating I knew what you did would give me a lot of satisfaction. She never eve moved out of the town whilst I hae worked abroad for a bit and had a good career when I worked as well as many great experiences. One day, on visiting my mother when I was 42 her nitwit of a husband blurted out over the side fence.. you are an old maid, aren't you.. referencing I have never married.. He was putting me down.. on purpose.. I said.. Old maid am I Brian? Well, let me ask you something. do you know how that term came about. err. no.. well I will tell you (all the time my Mum was listening to this in the house, lol, I later discovered). i said well. A maid is an old term used a very long time ago for an unmarried girl who had not lost her 'Maidenhead' or her virginity. I can assure you Brian, as its obviously worrying you sick, that i have definitely lost mine and am very happy about it. I am far from an old maid. You know nothing whatsoever about me but think its ok to throw out a out of date insult like that which I know you intended as an insult to me. Actually all you have succeeded in doing is make yourself look a complete fool. Good day Brian.. and I walked into Mums house very slowly, smiling broadly. She told me she had head the exchange and was 'very very proud' of my quick fire back at the stupid eejit. lol. Small towners.. GOD SAVE ME FROM THE IGNORANT TWITS. lol. I had saved lives, Had a baby named after me by the mother, who I had arrested, and did caring things for people and achieved commendations and made lots of lovely friends and had long meaningful love affairs. All I didn;t do was marry and sit in my underpants like him calling people names. Yet HE sought to write me off.
It's interesting that a subplot in Chinatown is that a young character's "sister" i😊s actually her mother.
A young girl across the street from me was passed off as an adopted child ... until she started resembling both her "sister" Kate and her mother. Unwed teens were sent away to birth their babies and their moms lied to hopefully avert a scandal, but people talk and gossip and soon figure things out anyway.
Every person deserves to know who their father is.
Only father??? Why shouldn’t every child know of their biological father AND mother?
@@nancyekstrom8409 Well, of course every child should know who BOTH their parents are.
Why?
agree, but I think in some bad cases this is not advisable
@@nancyekstrom8409we're discussing fathers here. Sje was only staying on topic. Knowing both parents is common sense, but a different conversation.
So, it's only the woman's fault.
Of course.
At 74 I have lived thru the the change of opinion. It's only in the last 25 years some acceptance has been shown. No men aren't blamed in society !
Always. Every single unwanted pregnancy is caused by a man. But only women are punished
23 and Me would crack open these mysteries.
Wrong..they don't identify parents.😂🙄
Family. They'd identify family and help zero in on target. Now go get your booster Karen. @@margueritemazzeo2904
Foad Karen.@@margueritemazzeo2904
@@margueritemazzeo2904 Wrong. If you know how to triangulate data and trees, they ABSOLUTELY identify parents.
23 & me found my niece. I never even knew about her. My dad was ….prolific. I’m sure there will be siblings out there.
How ignorant, to continually call Orson Wells “Olson.” Documentary, a film of facts.
Another reason to hate computerized voices.
@@saradecapua3264 as if there weren't enough already.
Ingrid Berman is who he keeps calling, "Ingmar".........
@@saradecapua3264thx, saved me the trouble.
My brother has allowed his son to call him by his first name since he was maybe high school? I can't remember exactly what. I asked a therapist about that once and she told me that when a child does that, he/she is DISTANCING him/herself from the father .
Families and moral values are still a big deal. People acting like they aren't, are what's destroying children and the world
No - u are wrong - the lies needed to go
I learnt no moral or other values from my family. Nothing at all. Families are not all wonderful creations that you seem to think they are.
Isabella is one of the most beautiful people ever!! A true mini-me of her mother and a beautiful person!
I was neighbors with Orson's daughter, Bea for ages. She had a local Christmas store for quite awhile and several times I saw Orson on a visit, he was at the time living in Las Vegas. Bea is still alive as afar as I know, I wonder if she'd be willing for a DNA test.
Neat!
Wow 😳
Or -son not AL-son !!!!!!!
I met her once; she was living in Sedona az at the time…was that her shop in Tlaquepaque? Grew up in Sedona.
@@lisa5249 I've been in Sedona for nearly 50 years, yes, that was her shop
Not only do I still suspect that Lindsay-Hogg is Orson Welles's kid, take a took at actor Tim McIntire. He is ostensibly the son of actor John McIntire, but his resemblance to Welles is uncanny.
Didn’t think Tim looked like John.
Wow ! You can Definitely see Clark Gable in Judy Lewis' face. wow !!!
Gable and Young STARRED IN A FILM together "Call of the Wild - that's how it started,
She even suggested decades later that it was date rape. He pretty much ignored her and his child's
entire life. Hardly an affair. They were never a "secret" Hollywood couple
You fool, you.
He didn't ignore his daughter. Loretta was TERRIFIED if anyone saw Gable leaving her home they'd put 2 and 2 together. Please read Cheryl Lewis ' book. Loretta contradicts her experiences with Gable throughout her life. From reading both Cheryl's and Lorettas book I believe Cheryl was the better person and admired her for stepping forward to uncover the truth. Loretta wouldn't speak to her when she appeared with Barbara Walters. Loretta didn't realize that by covering up the truth and calling Cheryl " my mortal sin" she was hurting her daughter more. By the time Cheryl wrote her book most of old Hollywood had passed away or had dementia.
@@christinanielsen1917 They had a full blown affair that start on the COTW set and continued into 1936. There was no rape. MANY old Hollywood biographies talk of it. Then Loretta 'went away' and Clark met Lombard...end of story. I too read their books as well as over 500 other Old Hollywood biographies. There was an affair NOT a rape.
@@christinanielsen1917 Loretta's daughter was named Judy Lewis - but yes, reading Judy's book "Uncommon Knowledge", is well worth it.
OK ORSON WELLS and Family Didn't Arnold Schwartzer Have a son with Hispanic Housekeeper
Schwarzenegger.
yep and that young man looks more like arnorld than arnolds own son go figure
@@codzy3532 Joseph Baena is also Arnold's "own son"
That is because he IS Arnold's. It may have been a terrible time for his marriage, however, as a parent, he is a good man and stepped into that young man's life as a father
Very compelling g
you spelled his name wrong.. and Yes.. and he finally acknowledged the boy and they are now close.
“Clark Gable’s and Loretta Young’s parts crossed.” They sure did! 😂
Freudian slip!! 😂
what about mia farrows son hes is definatly frank sinartras he is even into politics like his dad u can see bit of mom but his face when he smiles too hes franks for sure
Mia was married to Frank. She was in her twenties and he was over sixty. So he probably is
But at the time she became pregnant with Ronan, who is now approximately 33, she had been with Woody Allen for many years. And her marriage to Sinatra lasted maybe 2 years, if that. They divorced way back in 1968.
Sinatra had had a vasectomy LONG before Ronin was conceived. Besides, his eyes aren't naturally blue.
Ronan Farrow has done DNA testing with the Sinatra kids. They are not blood relatives.
He might be. But he looks like his mothers family too. Sinatras legitimate kids swear he isnt. Don't think Mia would have messed around on Woody Allan. She was crazy about him -- well, until....
Vivien Leigh said that Clark Gable had incredibly bad breath due to uncleaned dentures. I always think of that now when I see a story about him.
Gross 😮
I never saw Clark Gable as attractive. I heard he rap3d Loretta
Ingmar Bergman never hid the fact that her children were born her twin daughters were born out of wedlock. In fact, there was no secret to that. It was literally an open secret and considering that she was Swedish to boot nobody thought twice of it, so how is it a big secret?
Bergman was condemned in the US Senate and called a fallen woman by the pope. She did not work in the USA for years.
Ingrid Bergman...Ingmar was her father.
Ingmar Bergman was male and a director.. You mean Ingrid Bergman.. the famous female Swedish, i think, and later ,Hollywood actress who also worked for one of her husbands, the director Rossalini. She was pilloried for being open about her twin duighters being born out of wedlock and for a time lost Hollywood work because of it. She stood firm. They did think twice about it. very much so.
@@msailuromaniac No, Ingmar was a few years younger than Ingrid Bergman, and they were not related to each other in any way. He was married to an Ingrid for a while, but not the actress. He was married to Liv Ullmann, a famous Norwegian actress who made it big in the US.
Ingmar was the renowned director of the Seventh Seal, the Virgin Spring and other iconic films.
Jud Lewis said that when her mother admitted the truth, she was angry and called Judy “a walking mortal sin.”
Catholicism for you.
That’s disgusting!
Catholic guilt
That’s what following the catholic faith gets you
At a time when “ morals were a big deal” 🤣
Actually it was a date rape situation with loretta young when they were in call of the wild together.....she had to flee to france to save the baby......there was no affair........loretta told her the truth without the drama implied
I've read exactly what you say. No romance prior to Call of the Wild. Loretta was very young. Also I've always thought Judy Lewis looks like Loretta Young, not like Clark Gable.
I READ THE OPPOSITE? William Wellman the director said they were inseparable the whole film and after the crew returned to LA. Jack Oakie, a co star backed it up. They ate meals separately from the crew...Doubt you would do that with 'a man who had raped you"?? They parted when Gable hooked up with Lombard in 1936. Gable was married to Ria Langham to the time. Garson Kanin and lots of others have written about the ;NOT SO SECRET' affair between Gable and Young. Loretta was protecting herself with the rape story.
I read it was consensual
@@laurelbozman6997iread ut wss date rap3
That's a LIE.
Olson? Did you forget you were talking about Orsen Wells?
It may be a robot. Lots of creators use them for narrations.
😮
Orson
Michael Hogg looks like Orson Wells
Talk about great genetics.
DNA.....wrap it up
DNA identification is a recent scientific innovation. Not available when these cases were happening. Blood typing was available, but it could only be used to rule out parentage, not confirm it.
My Dad wasn’t my bio father, to which I’m grateful. My Dad raised me, cared for me and taught me. That other guy was a guy, my Mom said she met at a party she shouldn’t have been at.
When I was born, from a 16 year old mother and 17 year old father, I was the dirty little secret that everyone knew about except me. First experience was sitting in 9th grade homeroom and the teacher taking roll call, when he got to me he called me my mothers name, twice. It didn't register at first because I wasn't really listening to him, its homeroom, but I looked up and everyone was staring at me so I looked at the teacher and he repeated my mothers name and I responded " A@#$ is my mothers name, I'm Andria". I was raised by my maternal grandmom (forever known as MOM) and would see my mother all the time but I had no idea who she was until I was probably four or five and my mother dumped her two young sons off at MOMs house after leaving her husband (not my father THANK GOD!) and decided to move from NYS to California for six months. After she left my MOM sat myself and the two boys (my half brothers, I had no idea they were actually my brothers) down in my room and she told me "A@#$ is your real mother and are your brothers". I was too young to fully understand what all of that meant and my response was "So does that mean I get to play with the boys all the time?". I have had no real relationship with my mother and even less to nonexistent with my bio father, my MOM took me to the bank he worked at when I was probably six and she spoke to him but I had no idea who he was later when I was working at McDonalds he came through my line and we locked eyes but I still didn't know who he was but after I took his order I turned around and said to a co-worker that "I think I just waited on my father", years later I spoke to him once on the phone to "surprise him" on his birthday and I asked him if he came through my line at McD's? It was him. I've seen photos of him but I've still never met him. Those years at McDs an older couple always use to come in for coffee and breakfast and they said that I looked like my grandmother, my PATERNAL grandmother who had passed giving birth to my father and his twin brother which I didn't know at the time. Later they brought their high school yearbook that I also graduated from, and showed me a picture of my grandmother, it was shocking how much I looked like her. Later I gained access to my high school archives at the school and found the yearbooks for when my mother, father and his twin brother were in school, turned out that most of the teachers and the principal were teachers when my bio parents were in school and the school secretary when to school with both of my parents. Everyone knew I was the ba$tard child and gossiped about me. Also turns out that the parents of one of my "friends" also went to school with my bio parents and one day my "friend" walked up to me and said "I know who your father is but I'm not going to tell you." Sometimes being the "dirty little secret" is a bitch!!!
is all of this language yours or used towards you? I suggest for a happier life YOU at least stop describing yourself thus. they were most likely in love or thought they were when young and conceived you - that makes you a love child not a dirty little secret. i do not know what society you live in but where I come from - England - even back in day earlier in the 20th Century, and I am 68 now, no one treated a child like that for decades and decades. the cruelty of your young 'friend' is diabolical. It all appears to have left a mark on you and for that I am truly sorry. You are no one's 'dirty secret'. you are you own person and can make your own mark in life and be who you want to be. If this was recently i would say to that so say friend that you know who HER real parents are too.. let her feel how upsetting it is.. if its years ago.. try to let go of all of this as hard as it is. the only person its hurting is you.
@@mariahoulihan9483. I’m a survivor of a narcissistic mother who stalked and baby trapped my father! I’m also 68 now and I have to say, finding out I was a “bastard” made my view of different situations quite different! I actually used to pray I was adopted! Due to the bullying I experienced as a child in the late 50’s and 60’s I have a more liberal attitude towards “family”
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You certainly had a lot to unpack. And you did it here. You might want to consider therapy. I mean no disrespect. This is an honest suggestion.
@@mariahoulihan9483 My bio parents were NOT "in love"😂. It's was a prom night fling, in fact, my bio father married his girlfriend shortly after and my half sister was born 18 months later. My bio mother hooked up with someone else, got pregnant when I was six months old, left me behind and married the guy.
I am not uncomfortable with the descriptive language I use about myself because it is socially accurate for the time. As for the "friend"? I forgave her long ago and she has since passed away although we never talked about a year after she moved away for school and that was probably 25 years before she passed. Hurt people hurt people. Jealous people hurt others because they don't recognize the hurt in themselves. I add her to my story because it's relevant.
@@mariahoulihan9483Hello I read your reply to above messanger . I was born out of wedlock but wasn't tol til I was @12 which was very alien to me no 2 children are alike & yes there are people even today that are shocked . It usually is a pattern with upper class comparison . I am 60 have marched by my own drum ,my parents that raised me are the only ones I ever called Mum & Dad. Special greetings from Vancouver BC 🇨🇦🪶
Hogg looked like wells when he was young, but nothing like him as he got older.
Just adding that biology and sperm do not a father make! To be raised with love by a daddy (not sharing your dna) is unconditional love at its best! Yes, curiosity to see and know ‘who’ bio daddy is can throw a curve but hardly devastation if the child/parent (non bio) relationship was healthy. This is why adoption of newborns or very young children who knew the constancy of being loved from the beginning, works!!!! ❤️
Why did't these people just tell their children the truth it just is not fair to these children I did not meet my father till I was 21 all this really hurts people. And the kids did nothing!!!!! Cheri
Back then especially for a young unmarried woman a baby out of that circumstance would absolutely not be acceptable. My mother had an older half brother that even though had been married for many years it was because the young lady was pregnant. Apparently, my grandfather did not speak to him for years if ever. IT WAS NOT DONE!!!!
it was a different time and being illigetimate was very different to today. I also think it best to tell children but people were worried also of the effects on the child of knowing. society was different.
Because it was "wrong". And the woman would or could lose her career, or even her life. Makes no sense now. Actually didn't make much then either, but that's the way it was.
years and years ago it was the fear of scandal.. we cannot comprehend this these days.
One word IMAGE
How funny they combined Heath and Jack in that Joker pic...js ❤ 16:42
“At a time when morals and family values were a big deal” and the fact that the world is shittier today shows why those values mean something.
That’s what you got from this video?
@@kathyorourke9273 and if so?
The theme is not that morals were more important back then; it was more hypocritical.
@@surrealistgirlx yes and my comment is my opinion on that fact of the matter . So.
think about what you just said.. Morals led to denying who parents were and secrets.. and you want to go back to more of that rubbish?
Clark Gable "took" Loretta Lynn (e.g., against her will) during the filming of "The Call of the Wild." Love had nothing to do with it.
Loretta Young?
So she says. We don't his side of it.
Suggest you read re William Wellman, Jack Oakie...Director and co star of COTW? They had an affair that lasted until after they returned to LA. IT WAS AN OPEN SECRET.
Even Judy Lewis...THE DAUGHTER....knew her mother wasn't telling the truth. There was no rape.
Hardly believe that Clark Gable would have to rape anyone. Wasn't there so certainly don't know the truth.
That's another lie Loretta told.
My Dad wasn't my biological father, either. But you have to creat your own pat throughout life. I know my grandparents were to be known as mommy and daddy.
I love his acting. Who gets to judge him? As simply a man epic in his field. And loaded. Able to do what he chose.
Thru our history people were so hypocritical..everyone sleeping with everyone..
Geraldine Fitzgerald still captivates. And did many better films than those mentioned.
She was in Easy Money and played Rodney Dangerfield's mother-in-law.
Isnt that orson wells? Never heard of olsen.
Judy Lewis was so pretty!
Ronan is a very intelligent, likable, good looking man no matter who fathered him!
Clark had really bad breath.
Dentures probably
Gable/Young wasn’t a ‘love affair’ it was date rape! Young went head first into religion out of guilt and Gable stayed away out of guilt-he only saw Judy twice in her life..if it was ‘love’ there wouldn’t be guilt but keeping Judy out of the spotlight was great considering what his son and grandchildren, with their drug habits, are going thru. and it’s ORson not OLson
There is also the fact that Gable had just had a very expensive divorce, re married and didn’t want to have another divorce. Though a few years later he divorced his 2nd wife to marry Carol Lombard so he probably didn’t want to marry Young. He never made any gesture toward his daughter.
We don't know Gable's side of the story. Young was an extremely devout Catholic, so it was possible that claiming date rape was a way of not taking responsibility for her "sin." I'm not saying she wasn't forced but there's just as much possibility that she wasn't. No other woman has ever come forward with a similar allegation, so why would Gable lose control with Loretta Young? In addition, they worked together again after that--surely a woman would find some way of avoiding having to work with her alleged rapist? It's not like she needed the money and I suspect MGM would've given way and found another vehicle for her if she refused.
If you read Cheryl Lewis' book Loretta told her once she regretted not pressuring Gable to marry her when she found out she was pregnant.
According to her daughter Cheryl Lewis' book Loretta Young told her daughter she regretted not putting pressure on Gable to marry her once she found out she was pregnant. A woman who was raped would never want to see her rapist again. The crew made remarks among themselves when Gable and young disappeared frequently when the bad weather prevented them from shooting the film. This was total lust by both of them and Loretta knew he was married so while they both committed adultery she would be the hypocrite among the two. He didn't claim to be religious.
I Don't See How He Got Any "Closure". Where's The PROOF?
I have a cousin or great uncle, depending what you believe. My dad swore up and down that he was actually his aunts son, not his great grandparents.
Jack reminds me of a lunatic. Creepy.
Yes but I think he likes people to think that!
Nicholson plays those roles too well. Similar to Martin Sheen.
Reminds me of the devil
you mean actors are human? well what do you know!!
My birth fathers 1st cousin is adamant that his famous cousin didn’t father any other children. I have done my DNA with Ancestry, and have people in my DNA match list, that are DNA related to me, because of my birth father.
You need to give up making documentaries and stay with fiction.
Gable and Young's parts crossed, alright
Sadly, they were all at it in the golden age of the cinema, they all had morals of alleycat. They were all sleeping with each other, and then also sleeping with the same sex , was absolutely disgusting. The image portrayed was that of which the movie moguls wanted to portray, but the reality was actually very disgusting, have watched enough documentaries to last me, a lifetime to see how bad they all were.Even the heads of the studios were booking women who got pregnant, to get abortions. It was a common thing, and they were just told that so-and-so is going away for a rest as an actual fact they were going off to have abortions once twice even three times and it’s really sad.
Hollywood and prostitution have historically always been so closely related
Mm 20:20 😊 20:22
Really, no different than the general population. Hollywood just had persistent news coverage by reporters (like today) paid extra for a scoop, i.e. titillating "news" story - like today's Daily Mail. And videos like this!
So right and true they just covered it up with a fake holiday or illness
untrue.. they did not ALL. they were NOT ALL sleeping with one another.. or gay. You and your disgust need to get out more. Was Hollywood clean and scandal free? I doubt it very much. Your assertion about ALL of them,however, is insulting and silly. If you used the word some I might nbe on board. I am well aware as we all are of the sexually harrassment which went on and probably still does. its was not ALL of them.
No denying that Judy Lewis is the Child of Clark Gable, It's jaw dropping how much She Looks Like Her Father!!!😮
Some things are just hereditary such as Jack Nicholson grew to be just like his Dad. He may be a great actor but a poor excuse for a man who goes around making babies but not being their father.
Just like Jagger and these other old men who won't live to see the kids graduate from high school. Support money isn't a substitute for the actual presence of a father in their lives.
In spite of what you said about Charlie Chaplin, he was not the father of the little girl, but he did in fact give her financial support as a child.
Orson .a legend
What a mess of a video.
when morals and values WERE a big deal?????
They still are
I find it odd that you said ...when morals and family values were a big deal. This is not true affairs, mistresses and trysts have been going on for ages. The only difference back then in Hollywood was telecommunication. They were famous stars who were visible across the world and suppose to be held to high standards to hold on to their careers. Today with Iphones if a star sneezes they know 2 minutes later. Let alone have a child.
thanks
It 's weird that the movie Poltergeist was shown as an example that was supposed to be in the 1930s.
Judy Lewis wrote that when her mother found out what "date rape" was, she, Loretta Young, told Judy that her conception had happened as a result of that happening with Gable. Not so sure that it was that much of an affair but perhaps something else.
I believe Jack Nicholson was Henry Fonda’s love child.
I looked at some information and I believe it is one of the two men she was involved with.
What is the source that led you to your statement?
If that is true Jack did Easy Rider with his brother Peter Fonda.
based on what exactly?
@@pamelasimone5084 Nicholson looks and sounds like young Henry Fonda and has some of his mannerisms. He undoubtedly has his talent, more than Peter. I believe he was helped in the business by the Fonda’s.
I believe you are delusional. Where in the world did you come up with THIS?
A young woman working closely on a daily basis for months at a time with some of the most handsome and charismatic men in the world? Why not enjoy them?
Orson Welles had a daughter with Rita Hayworth that they gave up for adoption. She would have a son who was the subject of "Prodigal Sons", a documentary by Veronica Reed who grew up with him when the Reeds adopted him.
wrong picture of Randall Mc Murphy.
Are we just going to ignore how to voiceover said Shia Labeouf’s name 😂
Those in Hollywood rarely had a moral compass, it has only gotten worse.
Parentage complicated? Uh, no, parents might seem complicated, but our parentage is decidedly uncomplicated.
Clark gable told Loretta Young. I love Carol Lombard.
Loretta Young had her daughter’s ears fixed because they looked like Gables’
I always thought most movie stars were mostly ally cats.
Spilling that seed.
I don't think I'd hang my genealogical hat on Gloria Vanderbilt's honesty or knowledge - get a DNA test
Too bad Clark Gabel never acknowledge Judy was his daughter. He at that point in his life had no children. He died before his son was born.
I prefer "love child" over ILLEGITIMATE ❗
Indeed. A nasty word.
A legal marriage legitimizes a child, no matter your "preference." God blesses marriage for our benefit, to protect the children and to avoid the emotional pain that is so prevalent.
@Ellen-hs7zb a god that never existed. Sure.
@@nikkidimick947We'll be finding out soon enough, won't we?
There are no "illegitimate" children. They all have "FATHER
Amazing what the women were put through. But whenever the men are discussed (not just here) it's almost something impish with a twinkle in their eye. For the same acts.
Judy Gable image of her father
Who the hell is that woman singing that you keep flashing on the screen? It certainly isn't Geraldine Fitzgerald.
Clark gable set his will so that any illegitimate child would receive only $1. The law in California, at that time, allowed that.
Why didn't Allegra's biological father step up and raise her? He must have been a real scumbag.
Who is Olsen/Olson ?
Orson, not Olson -_-
also, why have you named the chapter "Ingmar Berman" instead of "Ingrid Bergman" (though both Swedish, they were not related)
5:47 just might be Joan Crawford
Not sure many women could have resisted Clark back then.
You forgot Witches of Eastwick.
Maybe back then it wouldn’t matter if they did resist.
When I was in high school, I knew three girls who were assaulted by the father of another friend and two friend who were assaulted by their boyfriends.
When one of the friends broke up with her boyfriend, someone set me up with him. He trapped me in the laundry room and tried getting at me. He was like a wild animal. Lucky for me, my friend came to get this guy because the guy who set us up said he had to leave. He didn’t even say goodbye; he just left. He would see me at school and never acknowledge me with a “Hi.” I was really scared and am sure if he hadn’t been interrupted I would have been another one of his victims. I know he dated other girls and he was probably just like that with them and it’s obvious no one ever reported him.
@@pamelasimone5084 So sorry that happened to you. Hope you have someone you can vent to. It helps.
I think this stuff happened a lot back in the day, I know it did in the 60’s and 70’s. I knew very few women my age who haven’t been assaulted.
it wasn;t a case of her wanting to resist him. he flaming well RAPED her. Plus.. as an aside, is reported very severe halitosis was something of a deterrent. yuck all round.
It was a bomb nation!! It was a trajesty!! It was a Kardrastophy!!😮😅😊
Clark Gable SAd Loretta Young. That is well known. Get it right.
A lot of these documentaries have poorly read commentary. I want a job reading the information for these. Calling Orson Wells 'Olson"???
ICON/ LEGEND/ NATIONAL TREASURE🎉🎉🎉🎉 JACK NICHOLSEN
un….Isabella Rossellini?
Olsen?
Orson Wells not Olsen.
Loretta Young said it was rape, I believe
Who is this Olson he keeps talking about?
Jack Nicholson 👎
Ingred Bergman female actress I think that's who you mean maybe your got confused 🤔
Maybe Jack Nicholson's acting skills have more to do with the fact that he has been a little off the beam from the get go.
Orson! Not Olsen. And I don’t believe that video of a singer you keep showing is Geraldine Fitzgerald at all.
Mean things would you want someone having an affair with your spouse
Loretta Lynn???!!! Young. The comments make me laugh harder than the non-facts reported by this channel.