For the Stray Kids Maniac video......at the time it was choreographed, I believe Felix was dealing with a back injury and could not do some of the moves. So they choreo'd him in some parts, and out of other parts for that song. That's why you see him sometimes, and then he's walking out of view or standing to the side. In later performances after his back was healed, he could do the moves.
Yes even after they like a month they went on world tour and he still performed what he could till he got to a point of taking part fully as one of the main dancers of the group
i believe they had to edit the cheoro to accommodate his injury(? in one of the scenes of maniac's mv you can see felix do a part of the cheoro that he usually doesnt participate in while recovering from his injury
FYI...in the dance practices The8 from Seventeen and Felix from Stray Kids both had injuries so their moves were limited. That's why they kept walking off screen. Thanks for reacting!
Same-ish with I can't stop me by Twice! Jeongyeon wasn't there as she was on hiatus/taking a break from promotions because of her anxiety. Funny how they managed to choose three dance practices where it wasn't the full team, at least most of the time
There are many videos of BTS learning choreo. This was one of the easier ones. Most of the dance practices are for live performances so they are different from the MV’s. Also, you see more if you watch behind the scenes.
Y’all SEVENTEEN has the title of THE PERFORMANCE POWERHOUSE and SYNCHRONIZED KINGS, all of their dance practice is SO HARD AND SO GOOD at the same time watch more svt dance practice NO ONE IS IN THEIR LEVEL when it comes in Dancing❤🥰💎 all of them are the main dancer in the group
yes each kpop group has a coreographer that works with them but sometimes like seventeen and stray kids some members will be part of making the choreography , if you guys wanna see them learning coreos , I would highly recommend the behind the dance practices and their practice sketchs for seventeen and stray kids 5-star intros , the second part of the intro is them learning but the whole intro is so good for inside into skz (3racha) producer minds so yeah , for svt I think "world" , "fear" , "rock with you" and "don't wanna cry" are my fav dance practices and for skz "domino" , "easy" , "double knot" and "levanter" are also my favorites (edit: felix had a bad back during manic so he couldn't fully dance that's why he only came in for his parts and the same for the8 in the super dance practice he was injured and only danced his part but now he's good and felix's back too lol)
@@jmbltc like all NCT units too, and more remarkable is the fact that BTS, EXO, NCT, SVT and Enyphen have the best main dancers in kpop. 3rd gen; JHope, Jimin, Hoshi, Ten and Kai. 4th generation Niki and Shotaro.
@@AndruNinaGo the fact you didnt add leeknow to one of the best 4th gen dacners, Lee know was a pro dancer before becoming a dancer you should have him with them. (hes been dancing since he was a child like niki)
The relay dance videos are just as entertaining for stray kids. And feel the dance practice of stray kids for song “easy” is next level. Along with “domino”, “thunderous” and “god’s menu”.
Felix was not dancing much in 2022 because he has disc hernia and he was doing treatment at the time. He was present only for his parts in the choreography. He is better now, but still has problems…he would have to go through surgery, but that would mean for him to take a lot of time off after…so I guess he’s not doing it for the moment.
Blackpink's practice videos and dance performance videos are indeed on another level! Their attention to detail and performance quality are top-notch, which is why they garner so many views and appreciation. 🌟👏
Hi, Good reaction, ty. BTS practices 12-16 hrs per day choreo. Now that they have been doing this 10 yrs within a week or less they learn it all. The choreographer or a choreo team creates the choreo. Sometimes the members create it with staff sometimes the members add a part or change it. Jhope learns choreo in minutes while the others need an hour or more. JHope, Jimin, Jk, and V all have made or contributed to the choreo. Jin also made choreo for Spine breaker MV which u can see. Snorts. There are behind the scenes so u can see how BTS learned and grew. It was really hard in the beginning. There are bloopers for Dynamite. If u watch the other MVs. And i think Jimin messes up the choreo for the dance practice maybe for an award show. Can't remember it's been a while since i watched those. Super is great. Love the choreo. They practice for hours. This is really complicated. I suggest u try to watch a reaction by a choreographer. That is were u learn more. Hoshi and Dino make many of the choreography for the team with staff's help. If u watched the super long guide u would see short clips of this. So they have behind the scenes too that show that. I think they had 250 dancers in all. Wild. Can't Stop me is great song. Good group. Do u know that many of the boy bands know the girl group choreo too. Like there are vids of BTS members doing girl group choreo spot on. And Shinee member Key can slay too. Maniac choreo was cool. Lot's of parts were interesting and unique. Still not a fan of the song though. Not my vibe. For the MV they cut a lot of choreo out so u actually don't see it in full. U really have to watch the dance practice or a performance video to see more details. Shut Down is a good song. Nice choreo too. All the girls have been trainees and performing for years so they know what to do. And the other groups have performance videos for some of their songs too. U should watch those. Hugs. - -2019 ARMY NY USA 💜
if you want to see them learning the choreo, specifically for Seventeen i would watch INSIDE Seventeen! I love to behind the scenes of Super, yall should react to that.
Honestly when blackpink were rookies, their choreo was a bit more intense. But as the years have gone by, they lean more towards the performance aspect rather than dance. So yeah some of their choreo isn’t difficult BUT it’s the attitude, swag, and charisma that sells it and makes it impossible to replicate by others
the theory that onces (twice fandom) have about them having separation anxiety it makes sense cuz they're always together, and when people spend so much time with someone they tend to start mirroring each other; start being synchronized edit; idk if my wording was correct, I'm having difficulties writing in english all of a sudden😭😭💀 but what I meant was for example when I spend let's say 3 consecutive days with my bsf we start acting as one person; say the same thing, move the same and even think the same to the point where we get freaked out and joke about the one copying the other
So, for BTS- They have an in house choreographer named Son Sungdeuk, who now actually overseas all groups under HYBE - meaning he helps our here and there with everyone. But, when BTS were trainees he was still only a background dancer, he worked with Hobie/J-Hope and the two have been in charge of choreography for BTS since day one. J-hope will help choose, or be present when Mr. Son comes up with choreography, then J-Hope will help the other members learn it and he's changed certain parts if they end up being too risky, or are too much on everyone's bodies. And in some cases- Jin has actually taken part in choreographing 2-3 songs. One being Spine Breaker, he also helped with some choreo for go go, and I believe the third one was either Anpanman or Am I wrong. I think it was one of those two, he might have helped with others but these are the only ones I remember Jin saying he did help come up with choreo. Jimin has also taken part in some choreography choices but he's expressed his preference for having a professional/ Hobi do it. I look forward to the day Jimin does an entire routine himself. He has the talent, that's not a question. Hobi is the one who handles most of it, and he has done his own choreography before... after all J-hope is their Dance captain/leader/ performance leader for a reason. There are videos of J-Hope teaching/helping them with choreo. But Dance Practices are more for fans to just enjoy their idols or artists doing a run through of a full routine- usually once they have it all down.
lmao a whole lotta misinformation in this comment, none of the bts dance has ever been choreographed by jhope and songdeuk too has just credits 2 3 choreos. bts choreos are made by famous professional choreographers to whom the songs are sent and they present two to three different choreos for a single song and then they choose which one they want to take or combine them. songdeuk was just the performer director for bts.
First off, never said it was ONLY J-Hope and Mr. Son who choreographed. I think you skim read, which is okay. It's not a bit deal. But to clear that up- Jhope has even said in interviews that he will change the choreography, he also came up with Yoongi's choreo for one song on his tour, and as I mentioned Jimin has had input on choreo too, and Jin came up with choreo for two songs. I never said they don't use outside choreographers. They do, it's a well known fact that they do. But you just saw the bits about Jhope and Mr. Son and Jimin and Jin and thought- 'Nah, I'm going to claim this is all kinds of wrong.' Let me guess, you're the kind of fan who still thinks Tae gave up his spot as a rapper so Hobi could be a rapper, huh? lol. As for Mr. Son, he has choreographed a handful of songs. I never once said he choreographed all of them. Never, but you took it that way apparently. I'm sorry you misunderstood. Maybe English isn't your first language, I'm sorry I couldn't make it more clear for you. I'm also sorry if this comes off bitchy, it's really early in the morning and my filter is kind of off. I do appreciate your opinions, but no. I didn't misinform. Thanks again though 💜
Please don't spread misinformation, he does not oversee ALL groups under HYBE. Pledis (especially Seventeen) have their own team/choreographers, including the members themselves. And Hybe Japan (home to &TEAM) also have their own (Eg: Sakura Inoue). Him choreographing for BTS and maybe TXT (mainly bighit artists) does not equal him choreographing for ALL Hybe groups.
@@boohangyu_sunshine He does work with them. He's not the one giving them choreo - especially for seventeen, Hoshi and others come with their choreo right? Or was I misled there? I'm still new to seventeen so I'm not 100% on who they've worked with/who their performance director is. I should have worded that better, when I say he oversees, it doesn't mean he is the main guy who does everyone's choreo. Think like a supporting overall performance directior. It's why he's the one who gets chosen to judge and critique new groups. He's the main guy. If any choreo/performance director in any of the labels need help- he's the dude they go to. Maybe I should have worded it that way. He checks in with others, critiques when needed or wanted. Right now his focus is on the Geffen x HYBE group. Oversee does not mean in direct charge of. Think of it like.. He's each groups performance director's boss, so he's their boss's boss. Like that. I'll try to reword it from now on since some people seem to get confused. I thought it was explained well enough but I guess the word oversee throws people off. Sorry about that. Thank you for bringing it to my attention 💜
I am not entirely disagreeing with you, because I do not know what he does for the other artists and groups under HYBE. But for Seventeen (Pledis artist as a whole) and &TEAM he is not their choreographer or performance director. He literally has zero say in these group's choreography and performance. I am VERY familiar with Seventeen (been their fan since predebut) and Seventeen does in fact have their own choreographers (the main ones being Hoshi, Dino, and Choi Youngjun) and their own performance director (Yoon Hyelim). Son Sungdeuk has literally NEVER choreographed for Seventeen or any Pledis artists, he has never worked with them at all. Surprisingly enough, despite being a judge on &AUDITION (the show that &TEAM was formed from), he has not choreographed for &TEAM either, or even oversees their performances, that responsibility is left to Sakura Inoue (the group's performance director). Sakura was also the one who actually choreographed the performances you see on &.AUDITION, in which Son Sungdeuk took no part in, as he was just simply a judge on the show. @@ARMYnotArmy [EDIT] - Son Sungdeuk is also not their boss (as in the 'head performance director' of ALL performance directors in HYBE or associated with HYBE) these sub-labels of Hybe literally work independently (or at least are meant to according to HYBE). Yes, they may share staffs sometimes, or even producers, but for the most part, each label has its own bosses, each label has its own CEOs, their own in-house music producers, and also their own performance directors who oversee the artists' performances under a specific label. Sometimes, even the groups themselves will have their own designated performance director, like, for instance, both Seventeen and Fromis_9 have their own performance directors signed to them. Seventeen's is Yoon Hyelim while Fromis_9 is Min Kyung-Shin. Also, I just searched it up, and Son Sungdeuk isn't even BTS's only performance Director, there is also someone by name of Lee Byung Eun. To simply put it (please keep in mind each label in meant to work independently from each other), each label have their own designated and assigned choreographers and performance directors, who work separately and independently from other choreographers and performance directors in other labels. [BIGHIT] Son Sungdeuk - BTS's Choreographer & Performance Director Lee Byung Eun - BTS's other Performance Director [Pledis] YOON Hyelim - Seventeen's MAIN Performance Director (She is also the head of Pledis's Performance Directing team, everything is overseen by her and she doesn't answer to anyone else but the Pledis CEO of course) Choi Youngjun - Seventeen's go-to Choreographer and has worked with many other VERY popular groups, but Seventeen is his main group. Hoshi & Dino - Both were very involved and in-charged of making choreography for the group earlier in the group's career. Min Kyung Shjnv - She is Fromis_9 Performance director. [HYBE Labels Japan] Sakura Inoue - &TEAM's Performance Director who sometimes choreographs for the group (but &TEAM uses outside choreographers, especially for their latest comeback) [Source Music] Park Soyeon 'Amy' - Le Sserafim's main Performance Director (but just like &TEAM, the group uses outside choreographers (like Todd Williams) to make their choreography) [ADOR] Kim Eun-ju - NewJean's Main Performance Director and choreographer, and she was actually originally Source Music's head Performance Director (basically she was originally in the same position as Yoon Hyelim is for Pledis but for Source Music) and oversaw Gfriend's performances. [KOZ] I couldn't find anything in particular, but for Boynextdoor's latest comeback they worked with Block B's Performance Director Kim Hyeong-Hun. [Beloit Labs] Oddly enough I couldn't find anything for Enhypen and Belift Labs.
if you want more of a dance ‘practice’ where you see them behind the scenes look up ‘Inside Seventeen’ ！ it’s on svt’s channel and they show them learning the dances, preparing for special festival/award show performances, pranking mingyu, and so much !!! i think it’s exactly what you’re looking for
A “dance practice” in kpop world is basically them having the choreography mastered and portray it just like how they would perform it in front of an audience. The only reason it’s not called “performance” is because they wear casual clothes and film it in their dance studio
Thanks for reacting to SEVENTEEN! There's a reason they're called kpop performance powerhouse! You should really check out more of their dance practices. I suggest - hot, anyone, fear, ready to love, rock with you, getting closer to name a few
Just a little fun fact: Seventeen's synchronization (as well as many other kpop groups') was analyzed by a computer and they were the only one to reach almost 100%. There are no weak dancers in this group! Also, you can find many behind the scenes of their choreos and M/V shootings in their "Inside Seventeen" videos. You can find them on Seventeen's RUclips channel. Love your reactions!
In terms of choreography, no one can beat svt. Been a kpop fan since 2017, have liked many many artists but no one can compare to svt. They're the blueprint of self-producing idols, self-made that came from a small company, the most synchronized kpop group & are called the theater kids of kpop. They're THAT group. And most importantly all the members are kind, i haven't seen any other group get so many praise for their manners than svt. They're funny, genuine and don't hold back from saying what they want, even to their fans. If anyone stans svt, i consider them lucky.
You should check other BTS songs and the dance practice...try Butter Grammy Behind the scenes..BTS have a lot of songs with difficult choreo..Dynamite is a walk in the park for them
Watch the dance practices for Kingdom with Stray Kids. You will see them go from start (learning, making mistakes, etc. ) to the finished product. I think that is more what you are wanting to see. Any Kingdom practices for any of the groups that competed will give you what you want. Edit to add: Felix was injured during this time period and was under doctors orders to take it easy. He had a back injury.
Yeah, a quick thing to learn is that in Kpop, "dance practice" actually just means watching the full choreo in their dance room. Sometimes they're casual like they had actually been practicing before that, but most of the time they're pretty produced (like clothes are coordinated and makeup is done). It used to be the video they filmed after a day of practicing the dance, and just decided to release to the public. But over the years, the "dance practice video" concept got hugely popular and became this instead. Videos of groups actually practicing won't be labelled "dance practice" but would come out in a vlog of some sort.
I love all of Stray Kids and seventeens choreographies but I really love the 2022 hellevator dance practice where we see how far they have come from when they were trainees until now.
Twice choreography really never disapoint At first you can see the flower and heart images in their choreography and also you can really see the musicality, movements, and ofcourse synchronization Twice got called Queen of synchronize cuz of how they dance in snyc like ur seeing one person dancing thanks for reacting to them
no one ever messes up in svt and even if they did we wouldn’t notice they’re so professional it’s WILDD please do check out more of their dance practices, it’s pretty insane THE KINGS OF SYNCHRONICITY and performance FOR A REASON!
Ahh i love dance practices!! I just love seeing the choreography in full! Def react to txt choreographies such as “No rules” “crown” (debut song), and for Itzy all their choreographies are top notch! “Dalla Dalla”, “wannabe” “not shy” “icy”
To explain a bit, Felix kept getting out of frame and on the side because he had a bad back injury at that time which made him unabel to dance for 4/5 months.
For kpop in general it's a group of hired choreographers who prepare the choreo, then come to teach the group. But with BTS it's a bit different, everything comes through Son Sungdeuk - their dance teacher, choreographer and performance director who grew with them from broke bighit and staying one of their closest people for 12 years he became a millionaire. And also Hoseok - j-hope contribute a lot, especially with directing
Dance practice videos are basically just made to see the full choreo of a song clearly not like an ACTUAL dance practice if you wanted that there are behind the scenes
more stray kids PLEASEEEE!! their dance practices are my absolute favourites because the formations are so unique. i recommend you check out domino and easy, my (and most other stay's) favourite dances. they never EVER disappoint.
Before even to debut as an artist or kpop group. They had to train for 3- 5 years as a teenager straight 6-8 hrs a day + school 8 hours. So 16 hours they are basically not home.on average as a teenager, hence why its easy for them to pick up on dancing and being in sync. They train for so long when they were kids by the agency. Even if they are born talent singers, they still need to learn how to also dance. Singing talent alone isn’t enough to become one
Yes, they post the dance practice learning, it's called 'dance practice behind the scene', it doesn't completely show them learning step by step but it shows what it promises to be behind the scenes.
Blackpink literally have a camera that no one else in the world has because their dance videos and music videos are something else. Also, their shut down dance video looks even more high quality because it’s titled performance video. They tend to go all out with quality and camera effects on these. They don’t always release “performance videos” for every song. For example, they just released a regular dance practice for their song Pink Venom
You should watch MVs behinds where they gave us how they make music videos, and for song they have recordings, I don't know where to watch them learning choreography but i think their are many videos where they show how they learn choreographies and have documentaries where they show us learning the dance
You’re right about dance practices being a tutorial for dancers in all the fandoms! I remember as soon as blackpink released their Shut Down dance video, dance crews were already uploading theirs within 24 hours 🤯😭 so many talented dancers in the kpop community for sure, and professional dancers at that
I saw Stray kids and clicked LMAO, Felix had a back injury so he couldn’t do as much. You should check more of their practices out!!! OHH YOU SHOULD REACT TO STRAY KIDS KINGDOM DDUDUDU
FunFact: Blackpink occupies 17/20 most viewed dance practices They even have 1.5 Billion of views on their Dance practice of How You Like That dethroning actual mv also hav 1.2B with high budget of 1M$
Blackpink always gets backlash on their “easy choreo” but that’s just the chorus part. There’s a reason why their songs also go viral on tiktok because even the grandmas can dance the chorus. They just won choreography of the year in VMAs for that reason. Their choreo is for everyone.
If you guys want to see the bloopers behind the dance practice videos I recommend looking at their "Behind the Scenes" content for dance videos! Dance practices in Kpop usually refers just to the Final Cut of their choreography without errors, meanwhile the behind the scenes of these practices show them learning the dance, making errors, and getting tired.
The point of the dance practice videos are for you to get a better look at the dance itself. Something you can’t really get from the MVs or concerts because of all of the cuts. However if you want to see the mistakes and behind the scenes type things, there are different videos for that. For bts, you can see some of those things in their Bangtan bomb videos.
My top 3 fav dance practice videos are as follows (and I highly recommend them): Stray Kids "Domino", Seventeen "Don Quixote", and Enhypen "Drunk-Dazed".
It's so interesting to see differents groups dancing, there are talents everywhere. I especially love the words you guys have for my boys Stray Kids, their choreographies are so creative and captivating. Honestly their dance practices are just as good as their music videos.
Stray Kids choreo is so unique, it's never boring or repetitive, which is one of the reasons im a huge stay. Please react to Domino and Easy!! I'm seeing a lot of comments mentioning them, and seriously they are some of the best dance practices I've ever seen.
Stray Kids Domino and Thunderous dance practices are so good and their kingdom performances as well oh and I also I almost forgot, their relay dances for songs are really really good
They don't have many videos of them "learning" the dances. There are some making of MV's or behind the scenes that show them practicing more and learning some. You also watched one of the easiest choreographies BTS has done. You really need to react to their dance practice for, Blood Sweat and Tears, Fake Love, Danger, Boy In Love, Black Swan, and Fire, just for starters, lol. This practice does not come close to their talent and hard work. And contrary to what other are saying, BTS are the kings of synchronization and uniqueness. They have paved the way for the others to look up to or strive to compare with. And that has been said or shown by these other groups themselves. Just like when BTS first started they wanted to be as good or popular as some of the groups before them. And, in my opinion, other groups do not have the same difficulty, closeness, or originality in their songs or dances. Again I said in my opinion, so people can just not bother to jump my shit, lol 💜💜💜
Why do people always pick butter or dynamite and not even the dance break version? like these are so chill (obviously they're still good) and they don't do their talents justice unlike on, mic drop, fire, blood sweat and tears, not today, run bts, dionysus and btw there are videos of learning the choreo . As for Felix I believe he was injured so he wasn't participating as much. And for shut down, it looks nice because it's a dance performance not a practice. Those always look more nice because, well it's a performance. It even says in the title.
TWICE AND BTS ARE THE BEST!!! PLS DO MORE TWICE!! There are TWICE behind the scenes videos of them learning their coreos, but jype started doing it last year... You can find it for their Talk That Talk coreography
Your smiles while watching skz hahahaha im glad you're enjoying them, chris watches youtube reactions! im sure he'll like your videos. He has given shout outs to many reactors in multiple livestreams before, unfortunately he stopped his weekly livestream for the meantime. But in a message platform, he recently has told stays that he watched social path reactions and he almost cried bc how stays relate to the song lyrics, he wrote the song based on his personal experience. Felix was injured when they were promoting maniac that's why he didn't dance much. You definitely should check out more dance practice videos, usually they do more than one version, the normal one then a special version for fun. Thank you for supporting skz, praying you get to their concerts when they go to your city ❤
BTS do has really hard dance choreography and let me tell you the videos and dance practice of them you are watching right now are just the tip of the ice berg.
If you wanna see them learning the choreograph and them practicing to get to that “perfect” dance practice def watch the behind the scenes for each one!!!!!
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Timestamps:
BTS Dynamite - 0:40
SVT Super - 5:49
Twice I Cant stop me - 10:29
SKZ Maniac - 15:31
BP Shut Down - 22:01
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Plz react to BTS's RUN BTS dance practice
Honestly maniac was not fair since Felix had a back injury and couldn’t dance for most parts :c
Can react to IVE 'Either Way'. Exceptional.
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For the Stray Kids Maniac video......at the time it was choreographed, I believe Felix was dealing with a back injury and could not do some of the moves. So they choreo'd him in some parts, and out of other parts for that song. That's why you see him sometimes, and then he's walking out of view or standing to the side.
In later performances after his back was healed, he could do the moves.
Yes Felix had a back injury he had been diagnosed with a slipped disc
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Yes even after they like a month they went on world tour and he still performed what he could till he got to a point of taking part fully as one of the main dancers of the group
okay that makes so much sence, cause for a second I thought the choreo was changed.
i believe they had to edit the cheoro to accommodate his injury(? in one of the scenes of maniac's mv you can see felix do a part of the cheoro that he usually doesnt participate in while recovering from his injury
FYI...in the dance practices The8 from Seventeen and Felix from Stray Kids both had injuries so their moves were limited. That's why they kept walking off screen. Thanks for reacting!
Same-ish with I can't stop me by Twice! Jeongyeon wasn't there as she was on hiatus/taking a break from promotions because of her anxiety. Funny how they managed to choose three dance practices where it wasn't the full team, at least most of the time
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There are many videos of BTS learning choreo. This was one of the easier ones. Most of the dance practices are for live performances so they are different from the MV’s. Also, you see more if you watch behind the scenes.
Yes please watch more bts dance practice ans also behind the scenes then you get to know more about them
Watvh RUN BTS / On Dance pratice to get the full flavour of their performances
yep, they need to watch more videos about them
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Yes....u see BTS easiest choreo....u hve to see....mick drop,idol, DNA,.....many more
Y’all SEVENTEEN has the title of THE PERFORMANCE POWERHOUSE and SYNCHRONIZED KINGS, all of their dance practice is SO HARD AND SO GOOD at the same time watch more svt dance practice NO ONE IS IN THEIR LEVEL when it comes in Dancing❤🥰💎 all of them are the main dancer in the group
i highly recommend watching seventeens “getting closer” dance practice. it’s insane
yes each kpop group has a coreographer that works with them but sometimes like seventeen and stray kids some members will be part of making the choreography , if you guys wanna see them learning coreos , I would highly recommend the behind the dance practices and their practice sketchs for seventeen and stray kids 5-star intros , the second part of the intro is them learning but the whole intro is so good for inside into skz (3racha) producer minds so yeah , for svt I think "world" , "fear" , "rock with you" and "don't wanna cry" are my fav dance practices and for skz "domino" , "easy" , "double knot" and "levanter" are also my favorites
(edit: felix had a bad back during manic so he couldn't fully dance that's why he only came in for his parts and the same for the8 in the super dance practice he was injured and only danced his part but now he's good and felix's back too lol)
Bts sometimes also partakes in choreographing......wondering why you didn't add that
they prob didn't know... @@jmbltc
@@jmbltc like all NCT units too, and more remarkable is the fact that BTS, EXO, NCT, SVT and Enyphen have the best main dancers in kpop. 3rd gen; JHope, Jimin, Hoshi, Ten and Kai. 4th generation Niki and Shotaro.
@@AndruNinaGo the fact you didnt add leeknow to one of the best 4th gen dacners, Lee know was a pro dancer before becoming a dancer you should have him with them. (hes been dancing since he was a child like niki)
@@jmbltcespecially jhope wonder why he/she didn’t add that
YES SEVETEEN They are kings of synchronization for dance in kpop They are kings 💯💯💯💯💯😌😌😌😌😌😌
Here for SEVENTEEN the choreo performance and synchronisation kings!
The relay dance videos are just as entertaining for stray kids. And feel the dance practice of stray kids for song “easy” is next level. Along with “domino”, “thunderous” and “god’s menu”.
I confirm this!! And I would personally add "Double Knot" That one is reaally crazy too!!
Yeah they need to react to these dances
honestly just and skz choreo. they r so amazing and lee know makes sure they all perform to a rly high level whether vocalizing or not
Felix was not dancing much in 2022 because he has disc hernia and he was doing treatment at the time. He was present only for his parts in the choreography. He is better now, but still has problems…he would have to go through surgery, but that would mean for him to take a lot of time off after…so I guess he’s not doing it for the moment.
I was going to write that so thnx for saving me time T-T
You should definitely watch stray kids' domino dance practice next, it has a really cool choreo. It's also one of my fav dance practices skz have
Dynamite is one of BTS simple choreo. The song itself released to cheer us up during pandemic.
Blackpink's practice videos and dance performance videos are indeed on another level! Their attention to detail and performance quality are top-notch, which is why they garner so many views and appreciation. 🌟👏
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STRAY KIDS EASY AND DOMINO DANCE PRACTISES ARE INSANE !!!!
Thank you so much, more SEVENTEEN dance practices pleasee^^
Hi, Good reaction, ty. BTS practices 12-16 hrs per day choreo. Now that they have been doing this 10 yrs within a week or less they learn it all. The choreographer or a choreo team creates the choreo. Sometimes the members create it with staff sometimes the members add a part or change it. Jhope learns choreo in minutes while the others need an hour or more. JHope, Jimin, Jk, and V all have made or contributed to the choreo. Jin also made choreo for Spine breaker MV which u can see. Snorts. There are behind the scenes so u can see how BTS learned and grew. It was really hard in the beginning. There are bloopers for Dynamite. If u watch the other MVs. And i think Jimin messes up the choreo for the dance practice maybe for an award show. Can't remember it's been a while since i watched those.
Super is great. Love the choreo. They practice for hours. This is really complicated. I suggest u try to watch a reaction by a choreographer. That is were u learn more. Hoshi and Dino make many of the choreography for the team with staff's help. If u watched the super long guide u would see short clips of this. So they have behind the scenes too that show that. I think they had 250 dancers in all. Wild.
Can't Stop me is great song. Good group. Do u know that many of the boy bands know the girl group choreo too. Like there are vids of BTS members doing girl group choreo spot on. And Shinee member Key can slay too.
Maniac choreo was cool. Lot's of parts were interesting and unique. Still not a fan of the song though. Not my vibe. For the MV they cut a lot of choreo out so u actually don't see it in full. U really have to watch the dance practice or a performance video to see more details.
Shut Down is a good song. Nice choreo too. All the girls have been trainees and performing for years so they know what to do. And the other groups have performance videos for some of their songs too. U should watch those. Hugs. - -2019 ARMY NY USA 💜
if you want to see them learning the choreo, specifically for Seventeen i would watch INSIDE Seventeen! I love to behind the scenes of Super, yall should react to that.
Honestly when blackpink were rookies, their choreo was a bit more intense. But as the years have gone by, they lean more towards the performance aspect rather than dance. So yeah some of their choreo isn’t difficult BUT it’s the attitude, swag, and charisma that sells it and makes it impossible to replicate by others
Twice are literally the masters of synchronization. It doesn’t even have to do with the choreo’s difficulty level. They’re just so synchronized period
the theory that onces (twice fandom) have about them having separation anxiety it makes sense cuz they're always together, and when people spend so much time with someone they tend to start mirroring each other; start being synchronized
edit; idk if my wording was correct, I'm having difficulties writing in english all of a sudden😭😭💀 but what I meant was for example when I spend let's say 3 consecutive days with my bsf we start acting as one person; say the same thing, move the same and even think the same to the point where we get freaked out and joke about the one copying the other
For Seventeen, many of the Inside Seventeen- videos show them learning and practising their choreos. I absolutely love this series. ❤
Seventeen synchronization kings 💎
I love BTS choreos the most, they are simply art and capture the song and rhythm so well
So, for BTS- They have an in house choreographer named Son Sungdeuk, who now actually overseas all groups under HYBE - meaning he helps our here and there with everyone. But, when BTS were trainees he was still only a background dancer, he worked with Hobie/J-Hope and the two have been in charge of choreography for BTS since day one. J-hope will help choose, or be present when Mr. Son comes up with choreography, then J-Hope will help the other members learn it and he's changed certain parts if they end up being too risky, or are too much on everyone's bodies. And in some cases- Jin has actually taken part in choreographing 2-3 songs. One being Spine Breaker, he also helped with some choreo for go go, and I believe the third one was either Anpanman or Am I wrong. I think it was one of those two, he might have helped with others but these are the only ones I remember Jin saying he did help come up with choreo.
Jimin has also taken part in some choreography choices but he's expressed his preference for having a professional/ Hobi do it. I look forward to the day Jimin does an entire routine himself. He has the talent, that's not a question. Hobi is the one who handles most of it, and he has done his own choreography before... after all J-hope is their Dance captain/leader/ performance leader for a reason.
There are videos of J-Hope teaching/helping them with choreo. But Dance Practices are more for fans to just enjoy their idols or artists doing a run through of a full routine- usually once they have it all down.
lmao a whole lotta misinformation in this comment, none of the bts dance has ever been choreographed by jhope and songdeuk too has just credits 2 3 choreos. bts choreos are made by famous professional choreographers to whom the songs are sent and they present two to three different choreos for a single song and then they choose which one they want to take or combine them. songdeuk was just the performer director for bts.
First off, never said it was ONLY J-Hope and Mr. Son who choreographed. I think you skim read, which is okay. It's not a bit deal. But to clear that up- Jhope has even said in interviews that he will change the choreography, he also came up with Yoongi's choreo for one song on his tour, and as I mentioned Jimin has had input on choreo too, and Jin came up with choreo for two songs. I never said they don't use outside choreographers. They do, it's a well known fact that they do. But you just saw the bits about Jhope and Mr. Son and Jimin and Jin and thought- 'Nah, I'm going to claim this is all kinds of wrong.'
Let me guess, you're the kind of fan who still thinks Tae gave up his spot as a rapper so Hobi could be a rapper, huh? lol.
As for Mr. Son, he has choreographed a handful of songs. I never once said he choreographed all of them. Never, but you took it that way apparently. I'm sorry you misunderstood. Maybe English isn't your first language, I'm sorry I couldn't make it more clear for you.
I'm also sorry if this comes off bitchy, it's really early in the morning and my filter is kind of off.
I do appreciate your opinions, but no. I didn't misinform. Thanks again though 💜
Please don't spread misinformation, he does not oversee ALL groups under HYBE. Pledis (especially Seventeen) have their own team/choreographers, including the members themselves. And Hybe Japan (home to &TEAM) also have their own (Eg: Sakura Inoue).
Him choreographing for BTS and maybe TXT (mainly bighit artists) does not equal him choreographing for ALL Hybe groups.
@@boohangyu_sunshine He does work with them. He's not the one giving them choreo - especially for seventeen, Hoshi and others come with their choreo right? Or was I misled there? I'm still new to seventeen so I'm not 100% on who they've worked with/who their performance director is.
I should have worded that better, when I say he oversees, it doesn't mean he is the main guy who does everyone's choreo. Think like a supporting overall performance directior. It's why he's the one who gets chosen to judge and critique new groups. He's the main guy. If any choreo/performance director in any of the labels need help- he's the dude they go to. Maybe I should have worded it that way. He checks in with others, critiques when needed or wanted. Right now his focus is on the Geffen x HYBE group.
Oversee does not mean in direct charge of. Think of it like.. He's each groups performance director's boss, so he's their boss's boss. Like that. I'll try to reword it from now on since some people seem to get confused. I thought it was explained well enough but I guess the word oversee throws people off. Sorry about that.
Thank you for bringing it to my attention 💜
I am not entirely disagreeing with you, because I do not know what he does for the other artists and groups under HYBE. But for Seventeen (Pledis artist as a whole) and &TEAM he is not their choreographer or performance director. He literally has zero say in these group's choreography and performance.
I am VERY familiar with Seventeen (been their fan since predebut) and Seventeen does in fact have their own choreographers (the main ones being Hoshi, Dino, and Choi Youngjun) and their own performance director (Yoon Hyelim). Son Sungdeuk has literally NEVER choreographed for Seventeen or any Pledis artists, he has never worked with them at all. Surprisingly enough, despite being a judge on &AUDITION (the show that &TEAM was formed from), he has not choreographed for &TEAM either, or even oversees their performances, that responsibility is left to Sakura Inoue (the group's performance director). Sakura was also the one who actually choreographed the performances you see on &.AUDITION, in which Son Sungdeuk took no part in, as he was just simply a judge on the show.
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[EDIT] - Son Sungdeuk is also not their boss (as in the 'head performance director' of ALL performance directors in HYBE or associated with HYBE) these sub-labels of Hybe literally work independently (or at least are meant to according to HYBE). Yes, they may share staffs sometimes, or even producers, but for the most part, each label has its own bosses, each label has its own CEOs, their own in-house music producers, and also their own performance directors who oversee the artists' performances under a specific label. Sometimes, even the groups themselves will have their own designated performance director, like, for instance, both Seventeen and Fromis_9 have their own performance directors signed to them. Seventeen's is Yoon Hyelim while Fromis_9 is Min Kyung-Shin. Also, I just searched it up, and Son Sungdeuk isn't even BTS's only performance Director, there is also someone by name of Lee Byung Eun.
To simply put it (please keep in mind each label in meant to work independently from each other), each label have their own designated and assigned choreographers and performance directors, who work separately and independently from other choreographers and performance directors in other labels.
[BIGHIT]
Son Sungdeuk - BTS's Choreographer & Performance Director
Lee Byung Eun - BTS's other Performance Director
[Pledis]
YOON Hyelim - Seventeen's MAIN Performance Director (She is also the head of Pledis's Performance Directing team, everything is overseen by her and she doesn't answer to anyone else but the Pledis CEO of course)
Choi Youngjun - Seventeen's go-to Choreographer and has worked with many other VERY popular groups, but Seventeen is his main group.
Hoshi & Dino - Both were very involved and in-charged of making choreography for the group earlier in the group's career.
Min Kyung Shjnv - She is Fromis_9 Performance director.
[HYBE Labels Japan]
Sakura Inoue - &TEAM's Performance Director who sometimes choreographs for the group (but &TEAM uses outside choreographers, especially for their latest comeback)
[Source Music]
Park Soyeon 'Amy' - Le Sserafim's main Performance Director (but just like &TEAM, the group uses outside choreographers (like Todd Williams) to make their choreography)
[ADOR]
Kim Eun-ju - NewJean's Main Performance Director and choreographer, and she was actually originally Source Music's head Performance Director (basically she was originally in the same position as Yoon Hyelim is for Pledis but for Source Music) and oversaw Gfriend's performances.
[KOZ]
I couldn't find anything in particular, but for Boynextdoor's latest comeback they worked with Block B's Performance Director Kim Hyeong-Hun.
[Beloit Labs]
Oddly enough I couldn't find anything for Enhypen and Belift Labs.
SKZ Easy, Domino, and Gods Menu dance practices are INSANE LITERALLY INSANE!!!
if you want more of a dance ‘practice’ where you see them behind the scenes look up ‘Inside Seventeen’ ！ it’s on svt’s channel and they show them learning the dances, preparing for special festival/award show performances, pranking mingyu, and so much !!! i think it’s exactly what you’re looking for
there’s one for svt super as well !
I love the "pranking Mingyu" part, so casually thrown there in the middle 😂👍
A “dance practice” in kpop world is basically them having the choreography mastered and portray it just like how they would perform it in front of an audience. The only reason it’s not called “performance” is because they wear casual clothes and film it in their dance studio
Svt are called the kings of synchronization u should watch more svt dance practices their movements and dances are so satisfying
Thanks for reacting to SEVENTEEN! There's a reason they're called kpop performance powerhouse! You should really check out more of their dance practices. I suggest - hot, anyone, fear, ready to love, rock with you, getting closer to name a few
Just a little fun fact: Seventeen's synchronization (as well as many other kpop groups') was analyzed by a computer and they were the only one to reach almost 100%. There are no weak dancers in this group! Also, you can find many behind the scenes of their choreos and M/V shootings in their "Inside Seventeen" videos. You can find them on Seventeen's RUclips channel. Love your reactions!
SVT choreo never disappoint!!
In terms of choreography, no one can beat svt. Been a kpop fan since 2017, have liked many many artists but no one can compare to svt. They're the blueprint of self-producing idols, self-made that came from a small company, the most synchronized kpop group & are called the theater kids of kpop. They're THAT group.
And most importantly all the members are kind, i haven't seen any other group get so many praise for their manners than svt. They're funny, genuine and don't hold back from saying what they want, even to their fans. If anyone stans svt, i consider them lucky.
seventeen’s dance practices are on another level!!
You should check other BTS songs and the dance practice...try Butter Grammy Behind the scenes..BTS have a lot of songs with difficult choreo..Dynamite is a walk in the park for them
Watch the dance practices for Kingdom with Stray Kids. You will see them go from start (learning, making mistakes, etc. ) to the finished product. I think that is more what you are wanting to see. Any Kingdom practices for any of the groups that competed will give you what you want. Edit to add: Felix was injured during this time period and was under doctors orders to take it easy. He had a back injury.
You should also react to more BTS MVs they are amazing, No today, ON, DNA, I Need you, Blood sweat and tears, they are amazing 😍
You guys should react to stray kids domino dance practice as well, trust you gonna love it 😊
maybe you guys should react to harder bts dance practices, they’re really impressive!
Yeah, a quick thing to learn is that in Kpop, "dance practice" actually just means watching the full choreo in their dance room. Sometimes they're casual like they had actually been practicing before that, but most of the time they're pretty produced (like clothes are coordinated and makeup is done).
It used to be the video they filmed after a day of practicing the dance, and just decided to release to the public. But over the years, the "dance practice video" concept got hugely popular and became this instead. Videos of groups actually practicing won't be labelled "dance practice" but would come out in a vlog of some sort.
You should watch SEVENTEEN 24H dance practice. It is one of my favorites. It’s so good!
I love all of Stray Kids and seventeens choreographies but I really love the 2022 hellevator dance practice where we see how far they have come from when they were trainees until now.
Twice choreography really never disapoint At first you can see the flower and heart images in their choreography and also you can really see the musicality, movements, and ofcourse synchronization Twice got called Queen of synchronize cuz of how they dance in snyc like ur seeing one person dancing thanks for reacting to them
You guys need to watch the dance practice for run bts & on from BTS. Those two really showcase their hard hitting dancing skills 💜
no one ever messes up in svt and even if they did we wouldn’t notice they’re so professional it’s WILDD please do check out more of their dance practices, it’s pretty insane THE KINGS OF SYNCHRONICITY and performance FOR A REASON!
seventeen dance practice is another level
Ahh i love dance practices!! I just love seeing the choreography in full! Def react to txt choreographies such as “No rules” “crown” (debut song), and for Itzy all their choreographies are top notch! “Dalla Dalla”, “wannabe” “not shy” “icy”
To explain a bit, Felix kept getting out of frame and on the side because he had a bad back injury at that time which made him unabel to dance for 4/5 months.
For kpop in general it's a group of hired choreographers who prepare the choreo, then come to teach the group. But with BTS it's a bit different, everything comes through Son Sungdeuk - their dance teacher, choreographer and performance director who grew with them from broke bighit and staying one of their closest people for 12 years he became a millionaire. And also Hoseok - j-hope contribute a lot, especially with directing
Watch inside seventeen!! It'll show them learning and creating choreos
Dance practice videos are basically just made to see the full choreo of a song clearly not like an ACTUAL dance practice if you wanted that there are behind the scenes
Bts has amazing dance practice u should react to please
more stray kids PLEASEEEE!! their dance practices are my absolute favourites because the formations are so unique. i recommend you check out domino and easy, my (and most other stay's) favourite dances. they never EVER disappoint.
If you want to see how they learn it and put it together watch Seventeen "super" choreography practice sketch ❤
Before even to debut as an artist or kpop group. They had to train for 3- 5 years as a teenager straight 6-8 hrs a day + school 8 hours. So 16 hours they are basically not home.on average as a teenager, hence why its easy for them to pick up on dancing and being in sync. They train for so long when they were kids by the agency. Even if they are born talent singers, they still need to learn how to also dance. Singing talent alone isn’t enough to become one
Stray kids just won some award at the VMA award in america. The only group that i know wins an award in america are blackpink, bts, stray kids
All of these are amazing but super is just SUPER. Reminds me when i used to be part of dance numbers on stage. Such fun cohesive energy.
Yes, they post the dance practice learning, it's called 'dance practice behind the scene', it doesn't completely show them learning step by step but it shows what it promises to be behind the scenes.
Blackpink literally have a camera that no one else in the world has because their dance videos and music videos are something else. Also, their shut down dance video looks even more high quality because it’s titled performance video. They tend to go all out with quality and camera effects on these. They don’t always release “performance videos” for every song. For example, they just released a regular dance practice for their song Pink Venom
If you want the bloopers and the more "fun" side you should definitely watch the relay videos, especially those of stray kids.
And you should also watch the Domino Dance practice, tha choreography is CRAZY
Thank you for your react!!! STRAY KIDS dances practice are always insane! Their choreographies are different, captivating 👌👌👌! More Stray kids 🔥🔥🔥
Los dance practice de BTS siempre son una bendición visual, I loved💜
The reason we watch dance practices is precisely to see the whole choreography and not necessarily to see bloopers or them learning steps.
You should watch MVs behinds where they gave us how they make music videos, and for song they have recordings, I don't know where to watch them learning choreography but i think their are many videos where they show how they learn choreographies and have documentaries where they show us learning the dance
You’re right about dance practices being a tutorial for dancers in all the fandoms! I remember as soon as blackpink released their Shut Down dance video, dance crews were already uploading theirs within 24 hours 🤯😭 so many talented dancers in the kpop community for sure, and professional dancers at that
Stray Kids Domino is great, plus i feel like Dynamite dance practice is one of the "softest" BTS' choreo.
I saw Stray kids and clicked LMAO, Felix had a back injury so he couldn’t do as much. You should check more of their practices out!!! OHH YOU SHOULD REACT TO STRAY KIDS KINGDOM DDUDUDU
I'm here for SEVENTEEN, and yes they are the kings of Synchronized
FunFact: Blackpink occupies 17/20 most viewed dance practices
They even have 1.5 Billion of views on their Dance practice of How You Like That dethroning actual mv also hav 1.2B with high budget of 1M$
Blackpink always gets backlash on their “easy choreo” but that’s just the chorus part. There’s a reason why their songs also go viral on tiktok because even the grandmas can dance the chorus. They just won choreography of the year in VMAs for that reason. Their choreo is for everyone.
they can't dance except for Lisa
😎Of the 10 most viewed dance choreographies in history, the top 7 are all from BLACKPINK, they are another level.
They can't dance for shit it's just the visuals and set up
Yes, there is a behind the scenes of Twice's dance practices like Set me free and Talk that talk as well as the M/Vs. I liked his reaction 🥰
I think Skz and Seventeen are the best performers I've ever seen. They dance with so much energy and it hooks you in
Older BTS’s dance practice are more satisfying for me 😅 the newer ones still so cool tho
If you guys want to see the bloopers behind the dance practice videos I recommend looking at their "Behind the Scenes" content for dance videos! Dance practices in Kpop usually refers just to the Final Cut of their choreography without errors, meanwhile the behind the scenes of these practices show them learning the dance, making errors, and getting tired.
The point of the dance practice videos are for you to get a better look at the dance itself. Something you can’t really get from the MVs or concerts because of all of the cuts. However if you want to see the mistakes and behind the scenes type things, there are different videos for that. For bts, you can see some of those things in their Bangtan bomb videos.
My top 3 fav dance practice videos are as follows (and I highly recommend them): Stray Kids "Domino", Seventeen "Don Quixote", and Enhypen "Drunk-Dazed".
It's so interesting to see differents groups dancing, there are talents everywhere. I especially love the words you guys have for my boys Stray Kids, their choreographies are so creative and captivating. Honestly their dance practices are just as good as their music videos.
stray kids got everyone(me) blushing over everything they do bruh. (im in love)
Can’t stop me was my first KPOP dance I ever learn when I got into KPOP and it took me 2 days to learn
Twice has some 'Dance Practice Behind The Scenes' videos where they show some clips of them learning and rehearsing the choreography :)
Stray Kids choreo is so unique, it's never boring or repetitive, which is one of the reasons im a huge stay. Please react to Domino and Easy!! I'm seeing a lot of comments mentioning them, and seriously they are some of the best dance practices I've ever seen.
How came they only find the easiest and soft video of bts .... they only find that's the most ordinary for bts
That was performance video for Shutdown ,you can watch dance practice video of them.❤❤
Now, I'm going to watch another Stray Kids dance video. The blackpink dance performance is so cool too. Like they are vibing.
Stray Kids Domino and Thunderous dance practices are so good and their kingdom performances as well oh and I also I almost forgot, their relay dances for songs are really really good
Here I think that dynamite choreography is a caress in general because of BTS powerful dance!
Choosing Dynamite out of everything to watch a dance practice of is a bit of a crime in my opinion...
They don't have many videos of them "learning" the dances. There are some making of MV's or behind the scenes that show them practicing more and learning some. You also watched one of the easiest choreographies BTS has done. You really need to react to their dance practice for, Blood Sweat and Tears, Fake Love, Danger, Boy In Love, Black Swan, and Fire, just for starters, lol. This practice does not come close to their talent and hard work. And contrary to what other are saying, BTS are the kings of synchronization and uniqueness. They have paved the way for the others to look up to or strive to compare with. And that has been said or shown by these other groups themselves. Just like when BTS first started they wanted to be as good or popular as some of the groups before them. And, in my opinion, other groups do not have the same difficulty, closeness, or originality in their songs or dances. Again I said in my opinion, so people can just not bother to jump my shit, lol 💜💜💜
Stray Kids have several behind the scenes videos of them learning the choreographies so I highly recommend if y’all want to see that!
Why do people always pick butter or dynamite and not even the dance break version? like these are so chill (obviously they're still good) and they don't do their talents justice unlike on, mic drop, fire, blood sweat and tears, not today, run bts, dionysus and btw there are videos of learning the choreo .
As for Felix I believe he was injured so he wasn't participating as much.
And for shut down, it looks nice because it's a dance performance not a practice. Those always look more nice because, well it's a performance. It even says in the title.
When they are in sync , its just sooo satisfying to watch
TWICE AND BTS ARE THE BEST!!! PLS DO MORE TWICE!! There are TWICE behind the scenes videos of them learning their coreos, but jype started doing it last year... You can find it for their Talk That Talk coreography
Your smiles while watching skz hahahaha im glad you're enjoying them, chris watches youtube reactions! im sure he'll like your videos. He has given shout outs to many reactors in multiple livestreams before, unfortunately he stopped his weekly livestream for the meantime. But in a message platform, he recently has told stays that he watched social path reactions and he almost cried bc how stays relate to the song lyrics, he wrote the song based on his personal experience.
Felix was injured when they were promoting maniac that's why he didn't dance much. You definitely should check out more dance practice videos, usually they do more than one version, the normal one then a special version for fun. Thank you for supporting skz, praying you get to their concerts when they go to your city ❤
the best choreographies are, in my opinion, seventeen's, ateez's and skz's. SOOO good and satisfying to watch
Every BLACKPINK's dance performance could be a MUSIC VIDEO. The fact that its views were so high.
BTS do has really hard dance choreography and let me tell you the videos and dance practice of them you are watching right now are just the tip of the ice berg.
I love how you guys react and put out some comments about the videos because you notice even the small details and i love it.
If you wanna see them learning the choreograph and them practicing to get to that “perfect” dance practice def watch the behind the scenes for each one!!!!!
Imagine how happy BTS were to get Dynamite choreo 😂😂😂 especially Yoongi.
I come here because of bts dynamite is one of their easy choreography. React to more of bts you will see the different between them and others group