Hey brothers 1 minute ago, I’m already there. I got this book too. Working right now and listening, looking forward to enjoying this episode. Thanks brothers. Peace of Christ to you two.
By a church doctor, a sublim argument against islam if put in the context of Sourate An-Nisa (the women) - Verset 171 : 4. "They call us 'associators' because, they say, we introduce next to God an associate when we say that Christ is son of God and God. We say to them: this is what the prophets and Scripture have handed down to us. You too, as you say, accept the prophets. And if we say falsely that Christ is the son of God, they are the ones who taught it to us and passed it on. Some of them say that we added this to the prophets, interpreting them allegorically, and others that the Hebrews, out of hatred, led us astray by attributing these texts to the prophets, to lose us. Again we say to them: You who say that Christ is the Word and Spirit of God, why do you revile us as "associators"? For the Word and the Spirit are inseparable from the one in whom they are naturally found. If, then, he is in God as the Word of God, he too is obviously God. But if he is outside God, God is, according to you, without Word and Spirit. So, by not associating anyone with God, you are mutilating him. Indeed, it would be better for you to say that he has an associate than to mutilate him and make him like a stone, wood or some inanimate object. This is why, by calling us "associators", you speak lies; we, in return, call you "mutilators" of God." Saint John Damascene book on heresies
Dear Al Fadi, 10th July, 2024 is the 100th anniversary of the Cairo Edition Hafs Qur'an. Looking forward to perhaps seeing some of the birthday celebrations on this channel for a Holes in the Narrative 2.0?
Dr j you are always a reference in this cause, may the Lord continue to strengthing you. Am from nigeria south west, all the books you have show case so far on this episode and others chanels are jamine for personnal education, how can i get them. Thanks
Its possible that Mawrat mount is really the Moriah where David encountered God. Mawrat is MWRH(it may be MRWH) in letters. Due too W being an alone letter,it could have been added to mask MRH as in Moriah.
Somewhere in the book Ghareeb al-Quran fi Shi'r al-Arab by Abdullah ibn Abaas; it has that mohammed was seen entering Safa and then exiting at Mawrah,or vice-verser.
Safa is also in Jerusalem. It is Mt. Scopus mentioned by Josephus as Sapha. And they are actually mountains-not large rocks as in “Mecca”. Check out Paul Ellis’s work on Jerusalem as Mecca.
@@tjbergren Yeh,Safa and Marah are signs,so them at Mecca at Saudi are not the signs.Tawafa is in that Qur'an verse also. Paul could be one of the first guys to have got onto, that, Safa & Mawrah mountains,can actually be the two mountains at Jerusalem.
@@defenderoftruth3212 I will tell you what i can detest. It's disgusting tales about Muhammad,that are found among islamic lituratures. And because my stance is that Muhammad peace on him,is a real guy,i am able to express utter disgust towards ugly lies about him,and I kick trash lying sayings into the dustbin 😢.
@@asifbrettishmaelmakki9 So. Is it destestable - in your opinion - if some guy forced himself upon a nine year old and bones her? Is pdfilia wrong in your eyes as a pdf file flaming homosexual muslim?
@@defenderoftruth3212 Uhm. Satan controlled flaming homosexual mupedohammad such that he made satanic verses into queer'an and then prostrated to the ideols in worship. And poor al Lah could do nothing to prevent it because al Lah is imaginary *tafsir aljalaylayn **22:52*
I am a Military Intelligence Officer. I read the Quran/Koran 2X in English, along with a biography of Mohammad. I did this to get better cultural understanding of Arab people and their viewpoint. I never questioned the Common Islamic Narrative (CIN). Maybe Common should be changed to Single. In general, I found the Quran closer to the Old Testament in tone and understanding of GOD. Now I know why from your videos. Every group of losers in the Roman Empire, all ended up in a cauldron of cities located between modern Baghdad and Tehran. This was an area independent from the Roman Empire, but still a Vassal State beholden to it. You had exiled Jews, mostly Pharisees but a Sadducees too. They built Religious Academies and created commerce centers. You had Heretical Gnostic Christians and their false “gospel” texts overlaying Christian persons onto Pagan Greek Philosophies of Aristotle, Socrates, and Plato. And you had Pagan Arabs, who were now united around a camel caravan conqueror named Mohammad. Was there more than 1 Muhammad? Maybe yes. There might be 1 Mohammad who stole the Black Stone and moved it from Petra to Medina. This derring do took on epic proportions around camel caravan campfires. We may never know. Then there are a series of Jewish Exilarchs named Makmed, the Anointed One, who allied with the Pagan Arabs to conquer Jerusalem. At some point, one of these Pagan Arabs, accept Jesus as his Savior. However, his belief was not the New Testament Gospel but the Heretical Gnostic Christianity based on texts whose philosophy was rejected at Councils of Nicea (325CE) and Ephesus (431CE). This Arab Gnostic Christian built the Dome Of The Rock monument in 685CE. He also had a Jewish Pharisee terrorize local Jewish Christians called Nazarenes. This person named Et Herman or Uthman, destroyed 1,000s of Christian texts in mostly Aramaic. Arabs go on and conquer Alexandria, all of Arabia, and most of Iran. It is only at this maximum expansion point, that 1,000s of stories about MHMD, the Makmeds of the Jewish Exilarchs, and the Mohammad of Pagan Arabs, and maybe even the Nazarene name of Jesus, are 1ST written down in the 790CE period. Yet the written text lacks diacritical marks. This leads to multiple miss readings and local traditions. When the final diacritical marks are final established in 950CE to 1050 CE period, local leaders do not want to change their local readings. The perfectly preserved legend now takes root in public while Islamic scholars argue over readings and meaning for another 1,000 years. As I posted, I am an MI Officer. I understand best with maps and timeline graphs This gives me a picture of what is going on. Your $355 course may have this detail. I could not afford the course when 1ST offered. Now the course conflicts with family plans made 1 year ago. I hope this course will be offered again in the Fall. PS: I also the research techniques used on the Sana Manuscripts while reveal an early Aramaic Gospel overwritten in Greek. The Matthew Gospel in Hebrew may yet be found. It was documented as existent in the 1ST Century by Roman historian Tacitus.
Where you got this from? "...This person named Et Herman or Uthman, destroyed 1,000s of Christian texts in mostly Aramaic..." I think that the Arabs who took over Syria considered themself non-triniterian Chritians but they did not persecute trinetarian Christians, wich was the Majority in the Region. However, their political and military Success indicates that these were not religious Nutjobs like ISIS but Conquerers (like the romans or Persians used to be) who took over to rule over the population and use the economics to their benefit. The early "islamic" coins use christian or zoroastrian Symbolism until around 680 Abdul Malik changes to arabic inscription, seemingly to demonstrate an arabic identy, Arabism or Arab Nationalism. Though the meaning of the word "Arab" changes, depending on the timeframe we look at and who uses it.
Thank you for this chronological breakdown. It's hard to put the pieces together from different uploaders, but your synopsis does a very good job. It's obvious you've been watching Islamic Origins as well with your references to names and language. Great stuff.
@@stephensipe5405 Thanks. It is I think more than 250 pp. So posting it is not an option. Unless you mean 'post' in the older sense. I might need an @address then.
@@ahmedibrahimgarba4990 hahaha out of the 75000 mosques in Iran , 50000 shut down last year because people are living Islam at a very high rate because for the first time in human history Islam can’t control what people can find out and threaten them . Thanks to Christians and God for the internet the Islamic world is fast dying . Think I’m lying google how many mosques are closing down in Iran every year 😂 and how many churches are being built in place of mosques 😂
@@ahmedibrahimgarba4990So what are the 25 different Qurans of Morocco and Yemen? Why did Uthman burn 🔥 5 different Qurans? Why is the widely used Quran of today the 1924 Ciarro Standardized Quran that was implemented in 1985? Why are the oldest manuscripts of the Quran written in Aramaic and the second oldest are written In Syrian Aramaic?
This is an ignorant statement and completely is a lie, of the Zionist Christian fundamentalists. Surah An-Nisa - 135 O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for Allāh, even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives.
@@mrbaab5932The glorious Quran was revealed in the Quraishy Arabic dialect. Other Arabic dialect may have similar words but with different meanings . Non-arabic speakers were pronouncing some words differently and changing the meaning. Hence, it was decided that any transcribed Qur'an not written in the Quraishy Arabic dialect should be discarded to preserve the original Quraishy dialect .
historical research proves that the city of Mecca could not have existed as a large commercial caravan city in the 7th century. Main reasons for this fact are: 1) Mecca is not an oasis, so there is no surface water (only a well, known as zamzam which is clearly unsufficient and inappropriate for watering many caravan camels) 2) Mecca is not shown on any map at that time or even previously 3) Mecca is located down of Hidjaz plateau and could therefore not be located on the caravan route which is located more than 1000 m above on the plateau (eg the city of Taeef is located at an altitude of ca 2000 m while Mecca is at 300 m) 4) there were no archeological remains or artefacts (coins, potteries, ruins, bones etc) discovered in Mecca dating from before circa year 700 It is impossible that a large city would leave no trace at all of its past 5) no agriculture whatsoever is possible in this wild rocky desert location, how could a large city survive in such hostile environment ?
I like how he talks about the fact the quran cannot come from mecca, ironically, we don’t even know where the four gospels were produced and he has the brass neck to argue about the quran.
Greetings of Peace & Love Gentlemen I think Mr Dan Gibson's knowledge regarding his subject is 2nd to none. Seems to me as though his findings make much more sense The descendants of Ishmael , viz Nabayoth are in Nabatean region... Our history has been fabricated & hidden for obvious political reasons especially by the Saudis of the last couple of centuries Thanks Gentlemen Appreciate your intelligence
Guys, Muslims claim Paul corrupted the Gospels. How and where were the gospels corrupted, and what biblical verses and or surah and ayat are used to support this claim.?
@@defenderoftruth3212 unlike Muslims I listen to both sides of the story. You?. I read the book of acts daily and try to learn Arabic, unlike 85%of the Muslim world.. I have begun to learn to read the Quran , you?
@@defenderoftruth3212 Trinity old testament. Source blue letter bible FAQ search Trinity old testament. Where exactly did Paul corrupt the old testament. What surah and ayat do you use to profess your claim. Show evidence. If you've read the Quran and the Bible why would you still be Muslim???!?
On the contrary, the Quran commends him, Surah Ya Sin (36) v14 but not naming him, " we reinforced them with a third". This was tafsir'd to be Paul supporting Peter and John, in tradtional tafsirs, Ibn Kathir even gives a distorted version of the Damascus road conversion. The Paul as corruptor idea came much later, Ibn Hazm IIRC, when Islam was being challenged intellectually by a reviving European culture.
God The Father said I am the creator of everything and Jesus said He created everything for me because of what I done on that cross and Holy Spirit said I will help all of you who believe in him to become like him.
@@defenderoftruth3212 The Old Testament's idea of God, is not like Allah of the Quran, He can not only be transcendent and unknowable to us in fullness here on earth, but also appears in person, a second person, yet God, so not limited like Allah to one location and presence. Now this second person is sometimes called the Word of God, also in the targums more so. John's gospel identifies this as Jesus. Messianic prophecies also tie this second person in with being the Messiah, when He would come, and call him "Son" of God (e g "unto us a Son is given, unto to us a child is born" Isaiah 9 or Psalm 2)
@@defenderoftruth3212 How many gods in islame? *sahih albukhari 7137* flaming homosexual mupedohammad associates himself a partner with al Lah - which is shirk - and declares himself god of islame. Millions of muslims pray every day to mupedohgammad god
The first man who wrote the Quran ,was the thabit guy, but a very greedy man ,name Abu Bakar see that he can benefit from the Quran reject it at the arrival of the 2nd caliph , there were about 500 known direct followers of Mohammed who reject the first Quran because it have a lot if teachings that was not in the original teachings of Mohammed Ali, abu Bakar assembe a Army and go to war with the mohammed Ali deciples he then massacared 500 of them thus completely distroy the word of mouth prophet, followers of mohammed Ali, Abu bakar then proceed to write the Quran the way he liked, by the time of the 3rd caliph, Uttman arrived he found about 50 version of the Quran floating around the muslem world, don,t beleve them when they say the Quran was never changed, recently a copy of the Uttman Quaran was found in a museum in prestiine condition and it differ a lot from the today Quran that most muslem have, tiday as I say trust no man because the same mouth that say yes is the same mouth that say no to the same answer.
When u present historical, geographical n archaeological evidences, it will be hard for muslims to misinterpret it as compared to contents of the Bible
@@motorcyclesdream6921 How many al Lahs in islame? Is the Lah on the throne who cannot enter into his own creation the _same_ Lah which enters into his own creation every third part of the night *sahih albukhari 1145* ?
*God will not punish Jews and Romans for killing him (Jesus) but will punish others for not believing that God was dead. This story doesn’t make sense at all* 😆 .
*John 14:6* Jesus said: Noone comes to the father except though me *Riyad as-Salihin 158* Flaming homosexual mupedohammad said: Noone comes to jannah but through me So, Jesus is God in Christianity, and mupedohammad sonofdog is god in islame.
@@AlonzoHarris235 And STILL the voice reverberates through sleepless nights ... "The Book The Man The Place " "The Book,The Man The Place " Rent free in your Head
@@defenderoftruth3212 *The multiple errors of Allah of the Quran - the false god, an imposter* Muslims claim that Allah is the true God, Islam is the true religion, the Qur’an is the true Word of God, and Muhammad is a true prophet. Are their claims true? The answer to this is a resounding "No." Islamic sacred tradition discourages believers from asking questions. Allah and Muhammad discourage Muslims from asking questions. From infancy Muslims are groomed to abstain from questioning the tenets of Islam. Thus, Muslims grow up learning not to question their religion. Questioning Islam is viewed the same as the sin of apostasy. To prevent someone from asking questions is to take away the basic rights of that individual. Asking questions is an inherent part of human nature. By quelling questions, Islam is destroying the reasoning power of humans. Surah 5:101: “O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.” (Yusuf Ali) Surah 5:102: “Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.” (Yusuf Ali) Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 92: Narrated Abu Musa: The Prophet was asked about things which he did not like, but when the questioners insisted, the Prophet got angry. Questions for Muslims Why did Allah and Muhammad discourage people from asking questions? What is Islam trying to hide? Is blind faith the way to Islam? Why did Muhammad become angry at those who asked him questions? Why were people warned by Allah not to ask questions? How is that in Islam, questioning can lead to losing one’s faith? Does not this prove that even the right answers can lead to losing one’s faith in Islam? Only an information control cult would discourage its members to raise questions. Is it rational to accept a religion as true without ever investigating or questioning it? Surely not! Is it based on truth? With that we have to examine the true teachings of Islam. THE FIRST MUSLIM The Qur’an states Muhammad was the first Muslim. Surah 6:163: “He has no partner. And of this I have been commanded, and I am the first of the Muslims.” (Hilali-Khan) However, the Qur’an also states that Abraham who lived centuries before Muhammad was a Muslim. Surah 3:67: Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian but he was a Muslim, true in faith. He was not one of the Pagans (who set up partners with Allah). (Farook Malik) And the Qur’an teaches that the disciples of Jesus who lived before Muhammad were also Muslims. Surah 5:111: And as I revealed to the Disciples (The followers of Isa “Jesus”, also called the Apostles) Saying, “Believe in Me and in My Messenger.” They said, “We believe, and bear you witness that surely we ourselves are Muslims.” (Muhammad Ghali) In fact, the Qur’an claims that all true worshippers, from the time of Abraham to the time of Muhammad were Muslims. Surah 22:78: Strive in the way of God with a service worthy of Him. He has chosen you and laid no hardship on you in the way of faith, the faith of your forbear Abraham. He named you Muslim earlier, and in this Qur’an. (Ahmed Ali) Questions for Muslims Since the Qur’an states that Muhammad was the first Muslim, while at the same instant affirming that there were Muslims living before his time, is this not a clear proof of a contradiction in the Qur’an? How are you going to reconcile the claim in the Qur’an that Muhammad was the first Muslim with the statement in the Qur’an that Abraham who lived before him was also a Muslim? How are you going to reconcile the claim in the Qur’an that Muhammad was the first Muslim with the statement in the Qur’an that the disciples of Jesus who lived before him were also Muslims? Do you not agree that if Abraham was truly a Muslim as the Qur’an claims, then Muhammad cannot be the first Muslim? Do you not agree that if the disciples of Jesus were truly Muslims as the Qur’an claims, then Muhammad cannot be the first Muslim? Do you not agree that one or the other verse in the Qur’an is a lie? Does this not clearly prove that the Qur’an contains a false statement in it? Can the true Word of God contain an error/lie in it? Can you really trust the Qur’an as the Word of God, now that you have discovered an error in it? Well who was the first Muslim? Was it Muhammad? Are you sure? Or was it Moses? In obedient submission to Allah, Moses declares that he is the first Muslim: Surah 7:143: So when his Lord directed His light on the mountain, He blew it into bits and Moosa (Moses) fell down unconscious; then upon regaining consciousness he said, “Purity is to You! I incline towards You, and I am the first Muslim.” (Faridul Haque) And in acknowledgement, Allah replies: Surah 7:144: Said Allah, “O Moosa! I have chosen you from mankind by bestowing My messages and by My speech, so accept what I have bestowed upon you and be among the thankful.” (Faridul Haque) So Muslims, according to the teachings of your Qur’an, who do you believe was the first Muslim???
ABOUT MECCA IN THE HIJAZ REGION 🧕 Assalamualaikum People Dear Christians, Lets assume that I ask U to defend Ur Bible on a certain subject & U end up defeating me by showing solid PROOFS ftom Ur Bible, that means U win & I lose…Yes I came to Ur Bible & I lose! Same goes for me!…U keep showing what U think is PROOF from outside of Quran but I am using The Quran The No Error Book itself 📖 Q4:82…So U have to crush my Quran first! That is my call out challenge to U Dear Christians! 💪🏽 U keep saying that Mecca had No Water No Food No Civilisation 🤣 Mecca was thriving with Life even during Ishmael’s time! 👉 Q19:54-55…GO 👉 Read The Quran! See, WATER👉Q9:19, Q14:37 🤣 See, FOOD 👉 Q106:4, Q14:37 🤣 Civilisation means A Society Heading Forward In Non-Stop Advanced Stages Of Urban Developments… Every Society’s pace towards social improvement & modernisation is different See, CIVILIZATION 👉 The Quraish were smart successful Caravan Traders, Q106:1-4, Q24:37 See, CIVILIZATION 👉 Famous Pilgrim Spot, Q95:3 (Mecca is A City), Q3:96, Q2:125, Q5:97, Q3:97, Q14:35-37, Q19:54-55, Q9:19, Q48:24, Q52:4 - God says its A Famous Fequented House since Abraham & Ishmael Its not even true what U Christians wrote that Mecca had only a few hundred populations during Muhamnad’s time…It was thousands… In Quraish tribe alone there were around 14 Sub-Clans…So roughly how many people in a tribe? Surely more than a thousand! Dear Christians, God Guides whoever He choose to Guide…So He chose Prophets from whichever Community He wants to 👉 Q2:213, Q28:56, Q62:2, Q2:151, Q2:129, Q2:89, Q61:6, Q45:16-18, Q33:45-48, Q5:15, Q3:93-94, Q7:157, John 16:7-8, John 15:26, Q6:83-90 - God had supplanted Bani Israel’s Prophethood with God Guided Abraham to go to Mecca to build The Kaaba because God knows The final Prophet will arise from that Land 👉 Q37:100-111, Q14:35-37, Q61:6, Q2:129, Q41:44, Q62:2, Q2.151, Q2:89, Q2:91, Q9:29, Q3:93-94, Q5:65-69, Q2:62, Q6:90, Q4:65, Q4:58, Q2:285, Q4:105, Q33:1-3, Q36:2-5, Q47:1-3, Q6:115, Q33:40, Q61:14, Genesis 17:20, 1 John 2:1, John 16:7-8 (Muhammad The Paraclete/Nasara/Helper Of God Of coz there were Christians & Al-Yahud in Mecca & Medina during Muhamnad’s time 👉 Q2:62, Q5:65-69, Q13:36-37, Q3:93-94, Q9:29, Q3:23… GO 👉Read The Quran! Dear Christians, I have 4 Questions for U! 👉🏿 ONE - Why God in Ur Bible addressed Himself as EhYeh Aser EhYeh/God Who God? Exodus 3:14 🤣 Q28:30 (Ana Allah/I am God) matches with Isaah 45:5 (Ani EhYeh/I am God)…LOOK 👉 Q1:1 (Bismi Allah/In Name God matches with Micah 4:5 (Basem EhYeh/In Name God) 👉🏿 TWO - Why God in Ur Bible HALAL/PERMITS Incest Marriage Between A Father & His Old Virgin Daughter? NKJV 1 Corinthians 7:36-38 🤣 Q4:23 Words in Greek: 1. Hyperakmos - overripe/past the flower (beauty) of her age/beyond youth 2. Parthenos/A virgin - (a) A marriageable maiden (b) A woman who has no sexual intercourse with a man (c) One’s marriageable daughter 3. Autou - by him/his 👉🏿 THREE - God in Ur Bible said if Adam & Eve had eaten from The Tree Of Life they would have been Immortal, Genesis 3:22..But that would be against Human Nature in Aging Process! 🕰️ Why O Why does God in Ur Bible not know about His own creation?🤣 Q22:5 👉🏿 FOUR - Why is there HARAM KILLING in Ur Bible? Eg 👉 1 Samuel 15:3 & Deauterenomy 20:10-14 (Mass-Massacre), Leviticus 20:13, Deauterenomy 13:6-9, Deauterenomy 22:22-27, Leviticus 20:10 & Deauterenomy 22:22 copied by Sunan Abi Dawud & Sunan Ibn Majah 1944 🤣 Q5:32, Q4:155, Q17:33, Q25:68-71, Q6:151 🦁 I am The Lionezz Of Islam & I Strive/Jihad to show U THE TRUTH/AL-HAQQI from Kuran The Correct Hadith/Statement/Information/Knowledge Book, KURAN 25:52, 45:6, 42:10… The Iron Law Of The Universe is THE TRUTH//AL-HAQQI Shall Prevail, KURAN 17:81
Hi.Have you observed Mecca in the 1920's. It's like a small town,and the devil stone area is small. The point is,how much has Mecca changed over a 1440 year period? Or has there been any change? Point two.Sam Gerrans has put efforts into understanding the quran.It seems the quran is not compliable with much of islamic religion teachings. Much of the islamic guidelines or ways are fictional and ungodly. As for your long msg;most of it is junk words from junk ancient islamic brain-dead scholars. After Christ,there is no new religion and Christ is not gonna get buried at Madina because it's not possible that resurrected Jesus will end up getting buried.
Hi.Have you observed Mecca in the 1920's. It's like a small town,and the devil stone area is small. The point is,how much has Mecca changed over a 1440 year period? Or has there been any change? Point two.Sam Gerrans has put efforts into understanding the quran.It seems the quran is not compliable with much of islamic religion teachings. Much of the islamic guidelines or ways are fictional and ungodly. As for your long msg;most of it is junk words from junk ancient islamic brain-dead scholars. After Christ,there is no new religion and Christ is not gonna get buried at Madina because it's not possible that resurrected Jesus will end up getting buried.
@@AsianSherry-th2nb And you may enjoy kissing a stone,so to remove your sins. The stone was already black at the time of muhammad;so have you any idea,as to how many people kissed the blackstone before muhammad was born,so as to make it turn from white to black ?
Yeah van putten done a review of it, completely ripped it apart and explains why shoemakers conclusions are completely wrong and untenable. I'm sure this clown with his Islam envy won't mention that.
@@defenderoftruth3212 How many al Lahs in islame? Is the Lah on the throne which cannot enter into his own creation the _same_ Lah which enters into his own creation on earth to show his handsome feminine shaved shin to muslim gay men *sahih albukhari 4919* ?
Again a great argument against islam by a church doctor if put in the context of Sourate Al-Baqara (the cow) - Verset 282 "He boasts that it came down on him from God. But we say, Who testifies that God gave him a Scripture, or who among the prophets announced that such a prophet should come? We put them to shame when we say: Moses had received the Law on Sinai, in full view of all the people, when God appeared in the cloud, the fire, the darkness and the storm; and all the prophets, since Moses, have in turn announced that Christ will come, that Christ is God and that the Son of God will arrive taking flesh, will be crucified, will die and rise again, and that it is he who will judge the living and the dead. And when we say: Why did not your prophet come in the same way, with others to bear witness to him, and why did not God, who gave the Law to Moses in the sight of all the people, on a smoking mountain, likewise transmit to him the Scripture of which you speak, in your presence, to establish your certainty? They reply that God does what He wants. We know this too, we say, but we ask how the Scripture was revealed to your prophet. They reply that it was while he was asleep that Scripture was revealed to him.We ask them again: Since he himself commanded you, in your Scripture, not to do or receive anything without witnesses, why didn't you ask him: you first, prove with witnesses that you are a prophet and that you are sent from God; and what Scripture testifies in your favor. Ashamed, they remain silent. With good reason we say to them: since you are not allowed to marry a woman, nor to buy or acquire without witnesses, and you do not admit to possessing even donkeys or cattle, without a witness, you therefore only take wives, possessions, donkeys and the rest before witnesses; only then faith and Scripture do you accept them without a witness!" Saint John Damascene book on heresies
...and all the handsome very young bacha bazi boys waiting in jannah for the muslim men *surah 52:24* But... it's not homosexuality when they're not adult
*Bart Ehrman (Bible New Testament scholar/expert) was a Christian and now he rejects Christianity. He said that Jesus didn't know that he was a God. Jesus also said in Matthew 7:21-23 - "Get away from me, I don't want you. YOU WORSHIP ME FOR NOTHING". Jesus also said that HE IS A MAN SENT BY GOD (Mark 12:29)* .
How could Jesus not know he was God? He said in John chapter 14: 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake. We also see in John chapter 9 that Jesus was worshipped: 35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. And in Matthew chapter 9 he forgave sin, something that only God can do: 2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee. 3 And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth. 4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts? 5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk?
Mar 12:29 Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord; Mat 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22. “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23. “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
@@defenderoftruth3212 Nothing to ponder at all. The Jewish priests and scribes spent years studying the Torah and Prophets and they still did not recognise Jesus as the Messiah when he came to them. As it is. Catholic Priests are baptised as infants thereby they have never accepted Jesus as Paul spoke of in Roman's 10:8-13. 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Baptism was never the source of Salvation but rather a sign of one's faith. Acts 8: 36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. Therefore a priest or bishop leaving an apostate church to join another religion is meaningless. They were never believers to begin with.
Be careful of erhman. His sources differ on wether he speaks to scholars or lay person's. He uses differing sources for lay people otherwise scholars could debunk him
Jesus called himself THE SON OF MAN aka God and told the disciples to shut up as his time had not come. You're leaving that out. Why 😲🤔. Because you're LYING
@shanunelson7161 why stop at "there is no God... "? Why don't just go all the way up and say, "There is no God but the One". Just like 1.2 billions did. 😇. Embrace Islam. Religion is not cause of the fight. It is used as an excuse of the fight.
@@mdmishfaqahmed2138 haha... In future u will the power of science..1.2 billion are identified as Muslims( community )... Out of that there are millions of non believers emerging in Muslim community ... Go search.. 🤭.. People go with facts not with fantasy... Just consider the incident.. The out break of Covid19😉
It's a no brainer Arabia was never heavily populated, full of deserts with nomadic settlements here and there. The difference in population can be easily estimated from the byzantine-Arabian battles and persian-arabian battles in the 7th century
Arabs only fought against the Byzantine army but not much against the population. The non Calcedon Christians as the Egyptian Coptics and Asyrians didn't helpt the Byzantine army at all against the arabs
@AbrahamFramirez-hr5zu my point is that byzantines/persians had a bigger army with superior technology - the sign of more advanced civilizations with larger populations. But who am I kidding, if a couple of conspiracy theorists youtubers are trying to make a living by ripping off the evangelists all I can say, may almighty grant them a better source of rizq/sustenance.
@@mdmishfaqahmed2138 Bro before the Arab conquest the byzantine and Persians were fighting a mini world war for like 30 years and they nearly destroyed each other. So it was not that difficult for Arab tribes of Syria,palestine and northern Arabia to defeat them.
@perorenchino2036 yet they fielded 4 times more military 🪖 in yarmouk 635. Even according to your fav scholars Mecca was a "joke". The byzantines in yarmouk and persians in qadissia even tried to synchronize their attack and almost succeeded. Too bad with so much numerical advantage they could not hold muslims off for more than 6 days in yarmouk. The winners of yarmouk reinforced muslims in qadisia soon after and routed persians. Now, if you wanna believe in these fairy tale preachers and ignore all the historians from all across the world, be my guest.
@@mdmishfaqahmed2138 Taking some random peasants and giving them a sword doesn't make him a soldier. Numbers hardly matter if quality of soliders are sub per. After 30 years of conflict,they hardly had any "soldiers" left. They were facing battle hardened Arab mercenaries of the north not traders of mecca 😂.So "mecca of hijaj" has nothing to do with that. Mongols also were numerically disadvantaged but they destroyed entirety of the middle east 😂😂...
Quran cannot be a product of Hijaz. Yet, it factually appeared from there and transformed a barbaric society into enlightened empire. Thanks for the lecture My faith becomes stronger. Allahuakbar.
🤦🤦 the whole point is that it didn't 'factually' appear from there. Mecca isn't even on map prior to the 9th century and Medina is a population of a few hundred. Not to mention the fact that Arabs of the hijab are virtually all illiterate.. the 'facts' destroy the narrative of the Quran coming from there
There were Arab empires, but they were centred in Syria (Umayyads) and Iraq (Abbasids). They don't seem to be very Islamic before Abd El Malik, who had an Arabisation initiative, late 7C not 630s, and needed his own religion to be entirely free of Byzantine power, to legitimize himself, in public appearance. Before then for instance coins minted by the parvenu Arab rulers, often have either Christian crosses or Zoroastrian symbols, this could not be if the Rashidun caliphs narrative were true.
Actually, Shoemaker is completed deluded. He doesn't seem to realize what the latest discoveries in the southern part are. One of those academics who continues to live in his own bubble unfortunately!
why dont you put the details of all the archeological evidence from hezaj area where everything took place as per islamic narrative.shut down jay for good.by the way under MBS region almost all of mecca is dug up for high rising buildings.he would have collected all the artifact and made a museum.instead he put all the idols of uzza and alat in a museum.why?
what you put forward as a truth is simply an orientalist hypothesis contradicted by other orientalists and non-Muslims who on the contrary think that the Hijaz was an important crossroads for the Arabian Peninsula and the Near East. This hypothesis is especially mistreated by historians who have very well documented the presence of Jews and Christians in this region since long before Islam.
*Jesus of the bible committed sins according to his own words* Jesus said if anyone called anybody a fool will be put in hell (Matthew 5:22) but Jesus himself called people fools (Matthew 23:17) .
As abusive language, rather than descriptive. That's if one is judged by the law, and why we need a Saviour. Mohammed whoever he was did not provide salvation, he just gave a cheapened version of the Mosaic law. If the standard narrative is true, then he broke the most important commands in the Mosaic law, ones for which under that covenant, there was no forgiveness. He needed salvation in God's way, but instead had decided to be a prophet, with benefits (if he existed).
Where did u get that arbitration theory? If anything it was ongoing struggle between two Medina tribes awas and khajraj. Seems like it is you who made up the standard Islamic narrative or whatever
😎😎😎😎😎 *CHRISTIANS WORSHIP A MUSLIM MAN. JESUS WAS A MUSLIM PROPHET* From Bible Matthew 21:11 - “This is Jesus, the Prophet from Nazareth” Bible Luke 7:16 - “A great Prophet has appeared among us” Bible Luke 24:19 - “He was a Prophet” Bible John 6:14 - “Surely this is the Prophet” Bible John 3:2 - “You are a Teacher who has come from God” Bible John 7:40 - “Surely this man is the Prophet”
muslims french kiss black stone pagan style and perform pagan rituals around it because they have pagan belief that it can forgive sins. But... they're not pagans
😊THE QUR'AN IS A CHRISTIAN TEXT AND JESUS IS MUHAMMAD AS MUHAMMAD IN THE QUR'AN BEING A EUPHEMISM FOR MESSIAH(CHRIST)HaMASHIAK. The Qur'an properly read appears to be a Christian text calling for the return to the authority of the first apostolic Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15:1-32 in rejection of the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople. So the only way to pull the rug from under the obscurantists'feet even defeat Jihadism is to reject the categorization Christianity versus Islam and affirm instead Nazareans versus Islam. Nazarean being anybody following the teachings of Paul which of course permeate the Council of Nicaea and Constantinople. Islam is a reaction to the West attempt to hijack Christianity or the Gospel and use it to overrun the globe. And the Prince rejected by the Arabian builders became the cornerstone and this is the Lord doing ! More in: The Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15:1-30 and the partition of Christianity in two Apostolic Traditions: Circumcised(Muslims) vs. Uncircumcised(Paul's Nazareans or Catholics...
JESUS IS NOT GOD AND GOD IS NOT JESUS. THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH IS LORD GOD, NOT JESUS. READ: GENESIS 1:1 BECAUSE THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH IS LORD GOD, SO JESUS COMMANDED TO WORSHIP THE LORD GOD. READ: MATTHEW 4:10 LUKE 4: 8.
Please read Isaiah 48:12-16 and then ask yourself concerning the text, who is the one speaking, who is the “Sovereign Lord”, and who is the “his Spirit”?
@@defenderoftruth3212 The poor guy must have never learnt to read a text in context. _After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:_ _“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. _*_And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began._* (John 17:1-5)
@@defenderoftruth3212 Would not his intelligence have to be of a low level, unless he was not led by a truth quest, but other motives ? As in to become muslim, he's got to think the Trinity includes Mary (never was) and is 3 gods (not the idea), that she was the sister of Aaron (an exceedingly uneducated error), be OK with Allah saying that known fables are truth,. then the Quran author lacking miracles tries to impress with "scientific" knowledge, which is now known to be false, attributing these ideas to Allah - Allah thinks the sun sets in a muddy pool, Allah thinks the moon and sun orbit the earth, Allah says male seed comes from the backbone. Also if embraces the hadiths as true, there the alleged prophet says very foolish things, and commits many major sins, with no repentance.
@@defenderoftruth3212 There are many Christians that have become Muslims and many Muslims that have become Christians. Each has their reason for thinking what they are doing is right. But why do you reject Christianity when the Quran does not accurately alignment with history or archaeological evidence, whereas the Bible does and is full of fulfilled prophecies, multiple eyewitnesses accounts of the life of Jesus, each book in the Bible building on the revelation of the previous books to the completion of the message from God, and a far greater morality than the Quran knows?
pastor Bosworth smith ' the quran is the only scripture preserved in its original language ' biblical scholar ' there are 50k biblical manuscripts no two alike and none of the gospels were even written by any apostle. John 3 16. mark resurrection story added in much later ' if you don't want to believe these two sources then listen to the Bible Jeremiah 8 8 ' scribes falsified the Bible with their lying pens ' muslim since 2002
If two people gave two different accounts of the same thing contradicting each other, then at least one of them is wrong or inaccurate. 1. There are christians who claim Jesus is God. 2. There are christians who claim Jesus is son of God and not God. 3. There are christians who claim Jesus is both God and son of God. 4. There are christians who believe Jesus is a man (not God, not son of God) Which is accurate? These are all major contradictions in the religion. Different factions occured since after the time of Jesus. The Quran is the latest Revelation from God and is the Criterion over the current bible(s). It consists of message for mankind including to Jews, Christians and polytheists. Message for mankind include warning mankind of their errors.
The earlier idols (false deities) were statues erected of pious people of previous generations. These people were later wrongly prayed to and taken as deities. These type of misguided beliefs of taking humans as deities or gods exist in pagan and polytheist religions, past and present. A human taking another human as a deity or God is falsehood. It makes absolutely no sense for a human to pray to (worship) another human. Deity Incarnation where a human is believed to be a deity or God coming down in this world as a human is among the misguided claims in pagan and polytheist religions, past and present. Claiming a human is God manifest as a human is among the misguided claims in pagan and polytheist religions. Claiming a spirit in a human is a deity or God is among the misguided claims in pagan and polytheist religions. Claiming God having sons or daughters is among the misguides claims in pagan and polytheists religions. All that I mentioned about idolatry, pagan and polytheist religions you can look it up online including from their own sources. The misguided belief of taking Jesus as a deity or God is against what Jesus himself believe and taught. It is against what all the guided prophets that include Noah, Abraham and Moses believed and taught. It is against the foremost of the religion which is the first and foremost commandment. Abraham did not pray to Jesus which is a man's name. Abraham did not pray to three persons. God is not a human God created humans As great a human Jesus is, he still is human.
Chosen messengers of God were sent by God throughout history to warn their communities of their errors. Noah and Abraham were messengers of God who were sent to warn their communities of their errors of idolatry and the consequences of Hellfire. Idolatry is a grave error and an unforgivable sin. The only way is to repent and leave that believe and practise. Muhammad was also sent to warn the arab pagans at the time of their errors of idolatry. As an ensuing messenger who is also the final messenger chosen after Jesus, Muhammad was also sent to warn the Christians of their error of believing Jesus is God and the consequences of Hellfire. In the gospels, it is mentioned that Jesus was sent. Jesus was a human messenger of God among many human messengers of God that were sent throughout history. The human messengers of God were chosen from humans and were sent to convey message to other humans. The one God who sent Jesus is the same one God who sent Noah is the same one God who sent Abraham is the same one God who sent Moses. Jesus did not send Jesus. The one God sent Jesus. The one God is not Jesus. The one God is the most High and the one who sends, not someone who is sent.
Just like Allah has a companion: the co-eternal Word of God, which will speak to Allah on the Day of Judgement. Along with the Black Stone in the Kaba. Which makes a trinity. Islamic is also pagan!
ABOUT MECCA IN THE HIJAZ REGION 🧕 Assalamualaikum People Dear Christians, Lets assume that I ask U to defend Ur Bible on a certain subject & U end up defeating me by showing solid PROOFS ftom Ur Bible, that means U win & I lose…Yes I came to Ur Bible & I lose! Same goes for me!…U keep showing what U think is PROOF from outside of Quran but I am using The Quran The No Error Book itself 📖 Q4:82…So U have to crush my Quran first! That is my call out challenge to U Dear Christians! 💪🏽 U keep saying that Mecca had No Water No Food No Civilisation 🤣 Mecca was thriving with Life even during Ishmael’s time! 👉 Q19:54-55…GO 👉 Read The Quran! See, WATER👉Q9:19, Q14:37 🤣 See, FOOD 👉 Q106:4, Q14:37 🤣 Civilisation means A Society Heading Forward In Non-Stop Advanced Stages Of Urban Developments… Every Society’s pace towards social improvement & modernisation is different See, CIVILIZATION 👉 The Quraish were smart successful Caravan Traders, Q106:1-4, Q24:37 See, CIVILIZATION 👉 Famous Pilgrim Spot, Q95:3 (Mecca is A City), Q3:96, Q2:125, Q5:97, Q3:97, Q14:35-37, Q19:54-55, Q9:19, Q48:24, Q52:4 - God says its A Famous Fequented House since Abraham & Ishmael Its not even true what U Christians wrote that Mecca had only a few hundred populations during Muhamnad’s time…It was thousands… In Quraish tribe alone there were around 14 Sub-Clans…So roughly how many people in a tribe? Surely more than a thousand! Dear Christians, God Guides whoever He choose to Guide…So He chose Prophets from whichever Community He wants to 👉 Q2:213, Q28:56, Q62:2, Q2:151, Q2:129, Q45:16-18, Q61:6, Q2:89, Q33:45-48, Q5:15, Q3:93-94, John 16:7-8, John 15:26, Q6:83-90 - God had supplanted Bani Israel’s Prophethood with Muhammad God Guided Abraham to go to Mecca to build The Kaaba because God knows The final Prophet will arise from that Land 👉 Q37:100-111, Q14:35-37, Q61:6, Q2:129, Q41:44, Q62:2, Q2.151, Q2:89, Q2:91, Q9:29, Q3:93-94, Q5:65-69, Q2:62, Q6:90, Q4:65, Q4:58, Q2:285, Q4:105, Q33:1-3, Q36:2-5, Q47:1-3, Q6:115, Q33:40, Q61:14, Genesis 17:20, 1 John 2:1, John 16:7-8 (Muhammad The Paraclete/Nasara/Helper Of God Of coz there were Christians & Al-Yahud in Mecca & Medina during Muhamnad’s time 👉 Q2:62, Q5:65-69, Q13:36-37, Q3:93-94, Q9:29, Q3:23… GO 👉Read The Quran! Dear Christians, I have 4 Questions for U! 👉🏿 ONE - Why God in Ur Bible addressed Himself as EhYeh Aser EhYeh/God Who God? Exodus 3:14 🤣 Q28:30 (Ana Allah/I am God) matches with Isaah 45:5 (Ani EhYeh/I am God)….LOOK 👉 Q1:1 (Bismi Allah/In Name God) is Micah 4:5 (Basem EhYeh/In Name God) 👉🏿 TWO - Why God in Ur Bible HALAL/PERMITS Incest Marriage Between A Father & His Old Virgin Daughter? NKJV 1 Corinthians 7:36-38 🤣 Q4:23 Words in Greek: 1. Hyperakmos - overripe/past the flower (beauty) of her age/beyond youth 2. Parthenos/A virgin - (a) A marriageable maiden (b) A woman who has no sexual intercourse with a man (c) One’s marriageable daughter 3. Autou - by him/his 👉🏿 THREE - God in Ur Bible said if Adam & Eve had eaten from The Tree Of Life they would have been Immortal, Genesis 3:22..But that would be against Human Nature in Aging Process! 🕰️ Why O Why does God in Ur Bible not know about His own creation?🤣 Q22:5 👉🏿 FOUR - Why is there HARAM KILLING in Ur Bible? Eg 👉 1 Samuel 15:3 & Deauterenomy 20:10-14 (Mass-Massacre), Leviticus 20:13, Deauterenomy 13:6-9, Deauterenomy 22:22-27, Leviticus 20:10 & Deauterenomy 22:22 copied by Sunan Abi Dawud 4449 & Sunan Ibn Majah 1944 🤣 Q4:155, Q17:33, Q25:68-71, Q6:151 🦁 I am The Lionezz Of Islam & I Strive/Jihad to show U THE TRUTH/AL-HAQQI from Kuran The Correct Hadith/Statement/Information/Knowledge Book, KURAN 25:52, 45:6, 42:10… The Iron Law Of The Universe is THE TRUTH//AL-HAQQI Shall Prevail, KURAN 17:81
point 1)the Blackstone was black at the time of Muhammad.So how many people kissed the stone before Muhammad,so to turn it from white to black? And who where them people? Point 2) Mecca was a small town in 1920's. Has Mecca always been a small town,over a 1440 year period? Point 3) you speak crap about Lut (in fact most of your msg is crap speak) and his daughters getting pregnant. Lut was not aware that his daughters lay with him,and got up after laying with him. Eg he was innocent.
I am making English words higher in esteem than your quran Arabic recitational sounds. Recite the following Yaseen verse 41 👉 Fill Full Kill Mash Whoon. Yaseen verse 24/25 Fee Dollar Limb Mobeen In Knee A Man Toe .( D for Dollar is not a Dal but a Doin). O Muhammad said 👉 fill full kill mash? He surely did,if quran came out of his mouth.
But when you think it's Mecca, Hijaz, it would actually be talking about a different location, that's the argument. There was a spring in Mecca, Hijaz, but that would not sustain a large population. As in you need a good supply of water, not just to drink, but to irrigate land to plant crops. The Hijaz location is also no good for rock dwellings and caves, as in the alleged Hira site is just a cleft in the rock. Now of rock dwellings, maybe some old locations that were citties/towns in northern Arabia would work, even maybe some areas in Yemen are like that. [State of the art desalination plants and storage containers support Mecca currently]
Hey brothers 1 minute ago, I’m already there. I got this book too. Working right now and listening, looking forward to enjoying this episode. Thanks brothers. Peace of Christ to you two.
Me also
This series is so important!
Thank you Dr Jay Smith for the marvellous content and authentic information shared. God bless us
I am looking forward to your interview of Dr. Shoemaker!
Al Fadi and Jay Smith seem to get along very well.
Keep up the good work.
By a church doctor, a sublim argument against islam if put in the context of Sourate An-Nisa (the women) - Verset 171 : 4. "They call us 'associators' because, they say, we introduce next to God an associate when we say that Christ is son of God and God. We say to them: this is what the prophets and Scripture have handed down to us. You too, as you say, accept the prophets. And if we say falsely that Christ is the son of God, they are the ones who taught it to us and passed it on. Some of them say that we added this to the prophets, interpreting them allegorically, and others that the Hebrews, out of hatred, led us astray by attributing these texts to the prophets, to lose us. Again we say to them: You who say that Christ is the Word and Spirit of God, why do you revile us as "associators"? For the Word and the Spirit are inseparable from the one in whom they are naturally found. If, then, he is in God as the Word of God, he too is obviously God. But if he is outside God, God is, according to you, without Word and Spirit. So, by not associating anyone with God, you are mutilating him. Indeed, it would be better for you to say that he has an associate than to mutilate him and make him like a stone, wood or some inanimate object. This is why, by calling us "associators", you speak lies; we, in return, call you "mutilators" of God." Saint John Damascene book on heresies
Makes sense to me.
Dear Al Fadi, 10th July, 2024 is the 100th anniversary of the Cairo Edition Hafs Qur'an. Looking forward to perhaps seeing some of the birthday celebrations on this channel for a Holes in the Narrative 2.0?
Happy Hole in the Narrative Anniversary 😂
I love all your episodes cause are Short and straight to the point
Dr j you are always a reference in this cause, may the Lord continue to strengthing you. Am from nigeria south west, all the books you have show case so far on this episode and others chanels are jamine for personnal education, how can i get them. Thanks
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@@defenderoftruth3212 According to islame, Why is pdfilia not wrong? -08-22-24
Thx for organizing the event last week
Jay, I have never seen anyone in my life who is so fervent, focussed and indefatigable personality as Jay Smith.
Thank youfor this vital information.
Where can I find a copy online of As-Suyuti's Itqan? Complete please
Its possible that Mawrat mount is really the Moriah where David encountered God.
Mawrat is MWRH(it may be MRWH) in letters.
Due too W being an alone letter,it could have been added to mask MRH as in Moriah.
Somewhere in the book Ghareeb al-Quran fi Shi'r al-Arab by Abdullah ibn Abaas;
it has that mohammed was seen entering Safa and then exiting at Mawrah,or vice-verser.
Safa is also in Jerusalem. It is Mt. Scopus mentioned by Josephus as Sapha. And they are actually mountains-not large rocks as in “Mecca”. Check out Paul Ellis’s work on Jerusalem as Mecca.
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Yeh,Safa and Marah are signs,so them at Mecca at Saudi are not the signs.Tawafa is in that Qur'an verse also.
Paul could be one of the first guys to have got onto, that, Safa & Mawrah mountains,can actually be the two mountains at Jerusalem.
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I will tell you what i can detest. It's disgusting tales about Muhammad,that are found among islamic lituratures.
And because my stance is that Muhammad peace on him,is a real guy,i am able to express utter disgust towards ugly lies about him,and I kick trash lying sayings into the dustbin 😢.
@@asifbrettishmaelmakki9 So. Is it destestable - in your opinion - if some guy forced himself upon a nine year old and bones her? Is pdfilia wrong in your eyes as a pdf file flaming homosexual muslim?
Islam is being destroyed by a new greek fire… internet!🔥
@@defenderoftruth3212 Uhm. Satan controlled flaming homosexual mupedohammad such that he made satanic verses into queer'an and then prostrated to the ideols in worship. And poor al Lah could do nothing to prevent it because al Lah is imaginary *tafsir aljalaylayn **22:52*
@@defenderoftruth3212 Holy Tame Sheep doesn't agree with you *sunan ibn majah 1944* -06-20-24
Fantastic book! David makes it perfectly clear that Mecca an Muhammad are a stretch of a story!
There is even a saying from Ali Abu Turab where he said that "we are Nabataeans from Kutha in Iraq"
Source
That the standard narrative has holes in it!
Everything else is sinking sand
I am a Military Intelligence Officer. I read the Quran/Koran 2X in English, along with a biography of Mohammad. I did this to get better cultural understanding of Arab people and their viewpoint. I never questioned the Common Islamic Narrative (CIN). Maybe Common should be changed to Single.
In general, I found the Quran closer to the Old Testament in tone and understanding of GOD. Now I know why from your videos. Every group of losers in the Roman Empire, all ended up in a cauldron of cities located between modern Baghdad and Tehran. This was an area independent from the Roman Empire, but still a Vassal State beholden to it. You had exiled Jews, mostly Pharisees but a Sadducees too. They built Religious Academies and created commerce centers. You had Heretical Gnostic Christians and their false “gospel” texts overlaying Christian persons onto Pagan Greek Philosophies of Aristotle, Socrates, and Plato. And you had Pagan Arabs, who were now united around a camel caravan conqueror named Mohammad.
Was there more than 1 Muhammad? Maybe yes. There might be 1 Mohammad who stole the Black Stone and moved it from Petra to Medina. This derring do took on epic proportions around camel caravan campfires. We may never know.
Then there are a series of Jewish Exilarchs named Makmed, the Anointed One, who allied with the Pagan Arabs to conquer Jerusalem.
At some point, one of these Pagan Arabs, accept Jesus as his Savior. However, his belief was not the New Testament Gospel but the Heretical Gnostic Christianity based on texts whose philosophy was rejected at Councils of Nicea (325CE) and Ephesus (431CE). This Arab Gnostic Christian built the Dome Of The Rock monument in 685CE. He also had a Jewish Pharisee terrorize local Jewish Christians called Nazarenes. This person named Et Herman or Uthman, destroyed 1,000s of Christian texts in mostly Aramaic.
Arabs go on and conquer Alexandria, all of Arabia, and most of Iran. It is only at this maximum expansion point, that 1,000s of stories about MHMD, the Makmeds of the Jewish Exilarchs, and the Mohammad of Pagan Arabs, and maybe even the Nazarene name of Jesus, are 1ST written down in the 790CE period. Yet the written text lacks diacritical marks. This leads to multiple miss readings and local traditions. When the final diacritical marks are final established in 950CE to 1050 CE period, local leaders do not want to change their local readings. The perfectly preserved legend now takes root in public while Islamic scholars argue over readings and meaning for another 1,000 years.
As I posted, I am an MI Officer. I understand best with maps and timeline graphs This gives me a picture of what is going on. Your $355 course may have this detail. I could not afford the course when 1ST offered. Now the course conflicts with family plans made 1 year ago. I hope this course will be offered again in the Fall.
PS: I also the research techniques used on the Sana Manuscripts while reveal an early Aramaic Gospel overwritten in Greek. The Matthew Gospel in Hebrew may yet be found. It was documented as existent in the 1ST Century by Roman historian Tacitus.
Where you got this from?
"...This person named Et Herman or Uthman, destroyed 1,000s of Christian texts in mostly Aramaic..."
I think that the Arabs who took over Syria considered themself non-triniterian Chritians but they did not persecute trinetarian Christians, wich was the Majority in the Region.
However, their political and military Success indicates that these were not religious Nutjobs like ISIS but Conquerers (like the romans or Persians used to be) who took over to rule over the population and use the economics to their benefit.
The early "islamic" coins use christian or zoroastrian Symbolism until around 680 Abdul Malik changes to arabic inscription, seemingly to demonstrate an arabic identy, Arabism or Arab Nationalism.
Though the meaning of the word "Arab" changes, depending on the timeframe we look at and who uses it.
Thank you for this chronological breakdown. It's hard to put the pieces together from different uploaders, but your synopsis does a very good job. It's obvious you've been watching Islamic Origins as well with your references to names and language. Great stuff.
Hi Stephen, I can then direct you to some wonderful resources that cover some of your interests.
@@vicmath1005 Post it.
@@stephensipe5405 Thanks. It is I think more than 250 pp. So posting it is not an option. Unless you mean 'post' in the older sense. I might need an @address then.
WITHOUT LIES ISLAM DIES
Sorry for your ignorance. The Quran is a living miracle; No corruption, No corrosion. Islam will continue to grow. Alhamdulillah.
@@ahmedibrahimgarba4990 hahaha out of the 75000 mosques in Iran , 50000 shut down last year because people are living Islam at a very high rate because for the first time in human history Islam can’t control what people can find out and threaten them . Thanks to Christians and God for the internet the Islamic world is fast dying . Think I’m lying google how many mosques are closing down in Iran every year 😂 and how many churches are being built in place of mosques 😂
@@ahmedibrahimgarba4990So what are the 25 different Qurans of Morocco and Yemen? Why did Uthman burn 🔥 5 different Qurans? Why is the widely used Quran of today the 1924 Ciarro Standardized Quran that was implemented in 1985? Why are the oldest manuscripts of the Quran written in Aramaic and the second oldest are written In Syrian Aramaic?
This is an ignorant statement and completely is a lie, of the Zionist Christian fundamentalists.
Surah An-Nisa - 135
O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for Allāh, even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives.
@@mrbaab5932The glorious Quran was revealed in the Quraishy Arabic dialect. Other Arabic dialect may have similar words but with different meanings . Non-arabic speakers were pronouncing some words differently and changing the meaning. Hence, it was decided that any transcribed Qur'an not written in the Quraishy Arabic dialect should be discarded to preserve the original Quraishy dialect .
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historical research proves that the city of Mecca could not have existed as a large commercial caravan city in the 7th century.
Main reasons for this fact are:
1) Mecca is not an oasis, so there is no surface water (only a well, known as zamzam which is clearly unsufficient and inappropriate for watering many caravan camels)
2) Mecca is not shown on any map at that time or even previously
3) Mecca is located down of Hidjaz plateau and could therefore not be located on the caravan route which is located more than 1000 m above on the plateau (eg the city of Taeef is located at an altitude of ca 2000 m while Mecca is at 300 m)
4) there were no archeological remains or artefacts (coins, potteries, ruins, bones etc) discovered in Mecca dating from before circa year 700
It is impossible that a large city would leave no trace at all of its past
5) no agriculture whatsoever is possible in this wild rocky desert location, how could a large city survive in such hostile environment ?
I like how he talks about the fact the quran cannot come from mecca, ironically, we don’t even know where the four gospels were produced and he has the brass neck to argue about the quran.
Love your videos!!!Keep telling the truth!!!!God open the eyes of the unbelievers !!
Greetings of Peace & Love Gentlemen
I think Mr Dan Gibson's knowledge regarding his subject is 2nd to none.
Seems to me as though his findings make much more sense
The descendants of Ishmael , viz Nabayoth are in Nabatean region...
Our history has been fabricated & hidden for obvious political reasons especially by the Saudis of the last couple of centuries
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Mamma Mia: I thought for a brief moment that Billy Connolly had become a Christian when this video just came up on my RUclips feed.
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Guys, Muslims claim Paul corrupted the Gospels. How and where were the gospels corrupted, and what biblical verses and or surah and ayat are used to support this claim.?
@@defenderoftruth3212 I'm asking the view of christians and muslims
@@defenderoftruth3212 unlike Muslims I listen to both sides of the story. You?. I read the book of acts daily and try to learn Arabic, unlike 85%of the Muslim world.. I have begun to learn to read the Quran , you?
@@defenderoftruth3212 so how EXACTLY did Paul corrupt the gospels. Surah, ayat, chapter, verses anyone, christians, Muslims???
@@defenderoftruth3212 Trinity old testament. Source blue letter bible FAQ search Trinity old testament. Where exactly did Paul corrupt the old testament. What surah and ayat do you use to profess your claim. Show evidence. If you've read the Quran and the Bible why would you still be Muslim???!?
On the contrary, the Quran commends him, Surah Ya Sin (36) v14 but not naming him, " we reinforced them with a third". This was tafsir'd to be Paul supporting Peter and John, in tradtional tafsirs, Ibn Kathir even gives a distorted version of the Damascus road conversion. The Paul as corruptor idea came much later, Ibn Hazm IIRC, when Islam was being challenged intellectually by a reviving European culture.
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Particia Crone - Meccan Trade & The Rise of Islam
If you have to travel through hell to get to someplace that should tell you what you’re believing.
No Jesus in 2024, Just Sun 🌞 Light
God The Father said I am the creator of everything and Jesus said He created everything for me because of what I done on that cross and Holy Spirit said I will help all of you who believe in him to become like him.
The God of lsrael continue to be with you both my brothers in Jesus name amen and amen
@@defenderoftruth3212 The Old Testament's idea of God, is not like Allah of the Quran, He can not only be transcendent and unknowable to us in fullness here on earth, but also appears in person, a second person, yet God, so not limited like Allah to one location and presence. Now this second person is sometimes called the Word of God, also in the targums more so. John's gospel identifies this as Jesus. Messianic prophecies also tie this second person in with being the Messiah, when He would come, and call him "Son" of God (e g "unto us a Son is given, unto to us a child is born" Isaiah 9 or Psalm 2)
@@defenderoftruth3212 How many gods in islame? *sahih albukhari 7137* flaming homosexual mupedohammad associates himself a partner with al Lah - which is shirk - and declares himself god of islame.
Millions of muslims pray every day to mupedohgammad god
Make a video about النسىء
Wow!
He’ll do better as KFC Promoter…
The first man who wrote the Quran ,was the thabit guy, but a very greedy man ,name Abu Bakar see that he can benefit from the Quran reject it at the arrival of the 2nd caliph , there were about 500 known direct followers of Mohammed who reject the first Quran because it have a lot if teachings that was not in the original teachings of Mohammed Ali, abu Bakar assembe a Army and go to war with the mohammed Ali deciples he then massacared 500 of them thus completely distroy the word of mouth prophet, followers of mohammed Ali, Abu bakar then proceed to write the Quran the way he liked, by the time of the 3rd caliph, Uttman arrived he found about 50 version of the Quran floating around the muslem world, don,t beleve them when they say the Quran was never changed, recently a copy of the Uttman Quaran was found in a museum in prestiine condition and it differ a lot from the today Quran that most muslem have, tiday as I say trust no man because the same mouth that say yes is the same mouth that say no to the same answer.
When u present historical, geographical n archaeological evidences, it will be hard for muslims to misinterpret it as compared to contents of the Bible
Bible is the truth.. because bible has so many language, so many version, and can be updated at anytime
@@motorcyclesdream6921 How many al Lahs in islame? Is the Lah on the throne who cannot enter into his own creation the _same_ Lah which enters into his own creation every third part of the night *sahih albukhari 1145* ?
*God will not punish Jews and Romans for killing him (Jesus) but will punish others for not believing that God was dead. This story doesn’t make sense at all* 😆
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*John 14:6* Jesus said: Noone comes to the father except though me
*Riyad as-Salihin 158* Flaming homosexual mupedohammad said: Noone comes to jannah but through me
So, Jesus is God in Christianity, and mupedohammad sonofdog is god in islame.
Mecca has no surface water therefore is not an oasis at the opposite of Yathrib (Madinah) or Taeef
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What is the etymology of Ythrib ?
why did it change to 'City' if Mecca is supposedly already the 'City' something doesn't add up ...
300 hundreds prophets were buried in mecca. Who were they??? Why was muhammad buried in madinah and not in the holiest city of mecca???
@@AlonzoHarris235 And STILL the voice reverberates through sleepless nights ...
"The Book The Man The Place "
"The Book,The Man The Place "
Rent free in your Head
@@AlonzoHarris235 1924 quran 😂
@@defenderoftruth3212 the book is not "The book" The Man " is not known. The Place is not the original place. It's ALL fake
@@defenderoftruth3212 *The multiple errors of Allah of the Quran - the false god, an imposter*
Muslims claim that Allah is the true God, Islam is the true religion, the Qur’an is the true Word of God, and Muhammad is a true prophet. Are their claims true? The answer to this is a resounding "No."
Islamic sacred tradition discourages believers from asking questions. Allah and Muhammad discourage Muslims from asking questions. From infancy Muslims are groomed to abstain from questioning the tenets of Islam. Thus, Muslims grow up learning not to question their religion. Questioning Islam is viewed the same as the sin of apostasy. To prevent someone from asking questions is to take away the basic rights of that individual. Asking questions is an inherent part of human nature. By quelling questions, Islam is destroying the reasoning power of humans.
Surah 5:101: “O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.” (Yusuf Ali)
Surah 5:102: “Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.” (Yusuf Ali)
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 92:
Narrated Abu Musa: The Prophet was asked about things which he did not like, but when the questioners insisted, the Prophet got angry.
Questions for Muslims
Why did Allah and Muhammad discourage people from asking questions?
What is Islam trying to hide?
Is blind faith the way to Islam?
Why did Muhammad become angry at those who asked him questions?
Why were people warned by Allah not to ask questions?
How is that in Islam, questioning can lead to losing one’s faith?
Does not this prove that even the right answers can lead to losing one’s faith in Islam?
Only an information control cult would discourage its members to raise questions. Is it rational to accept a religion as true without ever investigating or questioning it? Surely not! Is it based on truth? With that we have to examine the true teachings of Islam.
THE FIRST MUSLIM
The Qur’an states Muhammad was the first Muslim.
Surah 6:163: “He has no partner. And of this I have been commanded, and I am the first of the Muslims.” (Hilali-Khan)
However, the Qur’an also states that Abraham who lived centuries before Muhammad was a Muslim.
Surah 3:67: Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian but he was a Muslim, true in faith. He was not one of the Pagans (who set up partners with Allah). (Farook Malik)
And the Qur’an teaches that the disciples of Jesus who lived before Muhammad were also Muslims.
Surah 5:111: And as I revealed to the Disciples (The followers of Isa “Jesus”, also called the Apostles) Saying, “Believe in Me and in My Messenger.” They said, “We believe, and bear you witness that surely we ourselves are Muslims.” (Muhammad Ghali)
In fact, the Qur’an claims that all true worshippers, from the time of Abraham to the time of Muhammad were Muslims.
Surah 22:78: Strive in the way of God with a service worthy of Him. He has chosen you and laid no hardship on you in the way of faith, the faith of your forbear Abraham. He named you Muslim earlier, and in this Qur’an. (Ahmed Ali)
Questions for Muslims
Since the Qur’an states that Muhammad was the first Muslim, while at the same instant affirming that there were Muslims living before his time, is this not a clear proof of a contradiction in the Qur’an?
How are you going to reconcile the claim in the Qur’an that Muhammad was the first Muslim with the statement in the Qur’an that Abraham who lived before him was also a Muslim?
How are you going to reconcile the claim in the Qur’an that Muhammad was the first Muslim with the statement in the Qur’an that the disciples of Jesus who lived before him were also Muslims?
Do you not agree that if Abraham was truly a Muslim as the Qur’an claims, then Muhammad cannot be the first Muslim?
Do you not agree that if the disciples of Jesus were truly Muslims as the Qur’an claims, then Muhammad cannot be the first Muslim?
Do you not agree that one or the other verse in the Qur’an is a lie?
Does this not clearly prove that the Qur’an contains a false statement in it?
Can the true Word of God contain an error/lie in it?
Can you really trust the Qur’an as the Word of God, now that you have discovered an error in it?
Well who was the first Muslim? Was it Muhammad? Are you sure? Or was it Moses?
In obedient submission to Allah, Moses declares that he is the first Muslim:
Surah 7:143: So when his Lord directed His light on the mountain, He blew it into bits and Moosa (Moses) fell down unconscious; then upon regaining consciousness he said, “Purity is to You! I incline towards You, and I am the first Muslim.” (Faridul Haque)
And in acknowledgement, Allah replies:
Surah 7:144: Said Allah, “O Moosa! I have chosen you from mankind by bestowing My messages and by My speech, so accept what I have bestowed upon you and be among the thankful.” (Faridul Haque)
So Muslims, according to the teachings of your Qur’an, who do you believe was the first Muslim???
ABOUT MECCA IN THE HIJAZ REGION
🧕 Assalamualaikum People
Dear Christians, Lets assume that I ask U to defend Ur Bible on a certain subject & U end up defeating me by showing solid PROOFS ftom Ur Bible, that means U win & I lose…Yes I came to Ur Bible & I lose!
Same goes for me!…U keep showing what U think is PROOF from outside of Quran but I am using The Quran The No Error Book itself 📖 Q4:82…So U have to crush my Quran first! That is my call out challenge to U Dear Christians! 💪🏽
U keep saying that Mecca had No Water No Food No Civilisation 🤣 Mecca was thriving with Life even during Ishmael’s time! 👉 Q19:54-55…GO 👉 Read The Quran!
See, WATER👉Q9:19, Q14:37 🤣
See, FOOD 👉 Q106:4, Q14:37 🤣
Civilisation means A Society Heading Forward In Non-Stop Advanced Stages Of Urban Developments… Every Society’s pace towards social improvement & modernisation is different
See, CIVILIZATION 👉 The Quraish were smart successful Caravan Traders, Q106:1-4, Q24:37
See, CIVILIZATION 👉 Famous Pilgrim Spot, Q95:3 (Mecca is A City), Q3:96, Q2:125, Q5:97, Q3:97, Q14:35-37, Q19:54-55, Q9:19, Q48:24, Q52:4 - God says its A Famous Fequented House since Abraham & Ishmael
Its not even true what U Christians wrote that Mecca had only a few hundred populations during Muhamnad’s time…It was thousands… In Quraish tribe alone there were around 14 Sub-Clans…So roughly how many people in a tribe? Surely more than a thousand!
Dear Christians, God Guides whoever He choose to Guide…So He chose Prophets from whichever Community He wants to 👉 Q2:213, Q28:56, Q62:2, Q2:151, Q2:129, Q2:89, Q61:6, Q45:16-18, Q33:45-48, Q5:15, Q3:93-94, Q7:157, John 16:7-8, John 15:26, Q6:83-90 - God had supplanted Bani Israel’s Prophethood with
God Guided Abraham to go to Mecca to build The Kaaba because God knows The final Prophet will arise from that Land 👉 Q37:100-111, Q14:35-37, Q61:6, Q2:129, Q41:44, Q62:2, Q2.151, Q2:89, Q2:91, Q9:29, Q3:93-94, Q5:65-69, Q2:62, Q6:90, Q4:65, Q4:58, Q2:285, Q4:105, Q33:1-3, Q36:2-5, Q47:1-3, Q6:115, Q33:40, Q61:14, Genesis 17:20, 1 John 2:1, John 16:7-8 (Muhammad The Paraclete/Nasara/Helper Of God
Of coz there were Christians & Al-Yahud in Mecca & Medina during Muhamnad’s time 👉 Q2:62, Q5:65-69, Q13:36-37, Q3:93-94, Q9:29, Q3:23… GO 👉Read The Quran!
Dear Christians, I have 4 Questions for U!
👉🏿 ONE - Why God in Ur Bible addressed Himself as EhYeh Aser EhYeh/God Who God? Exodus 3:14 🤣 Q28:30 (Ana Allah/I am God) matches with Isaah 45:5 (Ani EhYeh/I am God)…LOOK 👉 Q1:1 (Bismi Allah/In Name God matches with Micah 4:5 (Basem EhYeh/In Name God)
👉🏿 TWO - Why God in Ur Bible HALAL/PERMITS Incest Marriage Between A Father & His Old Virgin Daughter? NKJV 1 Corinthians 7:36-38 🤣 Q4:23
Words in Greek:
1. Hyperakmos - overripe/past the flower (beauty) of her age/beyond youth
2. Parthenos/A virgin - (a) A marriageable maiden (b) A woman who has no sexual intercourse with a man (c) One’s marriageable daughter
3. Autou - by him/his
👉🏿 THREE - God in Ur Bible said if Adam & Eve had eaten from The Tree Of Life they would have been Immortal, Genesis 3:22..But that would be against Human Nature in Aging Process! 🕰️ Why O Why does God in Ur Bible not know about His own creation?🤣 Q22:5
👉🏿 FOUR - Why is there HARAM KILLING in Ur Bible? Eg 👉 1 Samuel 15:3 & Deauterenomy 20:10-14 (Mass-Massacre), Leviticus 20:13, Deauterenomy 13:6-9, Deauterenomy 22:22-27, Leviticus 20:10 & Deauterenomy 22:22 copied by Sunan Abi Dawud & Sunan Ibn Majah 1944 🤣 Q5:32, Q4:155, Q17:33, Q25:68-71, Q6:151
🦁 I am The Lionezz Of Islam & I Strive/Jihad to show U THE TRUTH/AL-HAQQI from Kuran The Correct Hadith/Statement/Information/Knowledge Book, KURAN 25:52, 45:6, 42:10… The Iron Law Of The Universe is THE TRUTH//AL-HAQQI Shall Prevail, KURAN 17:81
@@defenderoftruth3212 ThankYou Brother 🐈⬛
Hi.Have you observed Mecca in the 1920's. It's like a small town,and the devil stone area is small.
The point is,how much has Mecca changed over a 1440 year period?
Or has there been any change?
Point two.Sam Gerrans has put efforts into understanding the quran.It seems the quran is not compliable with much of islamic religion teachings. Much of the islamic guidelines or ways are fictional and ungodly.
As for your long msg;most of it is junk words from junk ancient islamic brain-dead scholars.
After Christ,there is no new religion and Christ is not gonna get buried at Madina because it's not possible that resurrected Jesus will end up getting buried.
Hi.Have you observed Mecca in the 1920's. It's like a small town,and the devil stone area is small.
The point is,how much has Mecca changed over a 1440 year period?
Or has there been any change?
Point two.Sam Gerrans has put efforts into understanding the quran.It seems the quran is not compliable with much of islamic religion teachings. Much of the islamic guidelines or ways are fictional and ungodly.
As for your long msg;most of it is junk words from junk ancient islamic brain-dead scholars.
After Christ,there is no new religion and Christ is not gonna get buried at Madina because it's not possible that resurrected Jesus will end up getting buried.
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And you may enjoy kissing a stone,so to remove your sins.
The stone was already black at the time of muhammad;so have you any idea,as to how many people kissed the blackstone before muhammad was born,so as to make it turn from white to black ?
@@AsianSherry-th2nb According to islame, Why is wife beating not wrong?
Yeah van putten done a review of it, completely ripped it apart and explains why shoemakers conclusions are completely wrong and untenable. I'm sure this clown with his Islam envy won't mention that.
@@defenderoftruth3212 How many al Lahs in islame? Is the Lah on the throne which cannot enter into his own creation the _same_ Lah which enters into his own creation on earth to show his handsome feminine shaved shin to muslim gay men *sahih albukhari 4919* ?
touba touba astakhfar 😭😭😭😭😭🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
Again a great argument against islam by a church doctor if put in the context of Sourate Al-Baqara (the cow) - Verset 282 "He boasts that it came down on him from God. But we say, Who testifies that God gave him a Scripture, or who among the prophets announced that such a prophet should come? We put them to shame when we say: Moses had received the Law on Sinai, in full view of all the people, when God appeared in the cloud, the fire, the darkness and the storm; and all the prophets, since Moses, have in turn announced that Christ will come, that Christ is God and that the Son of God will arrive taking flesh, will be crucified, will die and rise again, and that it is he who will judge the living and the dead. And when we say: Why did not your prophet come in the same way, with others to bear witness to him, and why did not God, who gave the Law to Moses in the sight of all the people, on a smoking mountain, likewise transmit to him the Scripture of which you speak, in your presence, to establish your certainty? They reply that God does what He wants. We know this too, we say, but we ask how the Scripture was revealed to your prophet. They reply that it was while he was asleep that Scripture was revealed to him.We ask them again: Since he himself commanded you, in your Scripture, not to do or receive anything without witnesses, why didn't you ask him: you first, prove with witnesses that you are a prophet and that you are sent from God; and what Scripture testifies in your favor. Ashamed, they remain silent. With good reason we say to them: since you are not allowed to marry a woman, nor to buy or acquire without witnesses, and you do not admit to possessing even donkeys or cattle, without a witness, you therefore only take wives, possessions, donkeys and the rest before witnesses; only then faith and Scripture do you accept them without a witness!" Saint John Damascene book on heresies
Fruitless
Biggest ever liar I ever come across...
Which lies ?
Discussion of thouroughly.ignorant ones . Why Hejaz which is next to sea and other side being Sudan and lying on Syria Yemen route be not suitable
Did Mohamad exist or not? He could not of went anywhere if he didnt or if he did, then quit refering to him as having existing.
Bible is the truth.. because bible has so many language, so many version, and can be updated at anytime
...and all the handsome very young bacha bazi boys waiting in jannah for the muslim men *surah 52:24* But... it's not homosexuality when they're not adult
*Bart Ehrman (Bible New Testament scholar/expert) was a Christian and now he rejects Christianity. He said that Jesus didn't know that he was a God. Jesus also said in Matthew 7:21-23 - "Get away from me, I don't want you. YOU WORSHIP ME FOR NOTHING". Jesus also said that HE IS A MAN SENT BY GOD (Mark 12:29)*
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How could Jesus not know he was God? He said in John chapter 14:
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
We also see in John chapter 9 that Jesus was worshipped:
35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
And in Matthew chapter 9 he forgave sin, something that only God can do:
2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.
3 And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth.
4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?
5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk?
Mar 12:29 Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord;
Mat 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22. “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23. “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
@@defenderoftruth3212 Nothing to ponder at all. The Jewish priests and scribes spent years studying the Torah and Prophets and they still did not recognise Jesus as the Messiah when he came to them. As it is. Catholic Priests are baptised as infants thereby they have never accepted Jesus as Paul spoke of in Roman's 10:8-13.
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Baptism was never the source of Salvation but rather a sign of one's faith.
Acts 8:
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Therefore a priest or bishop leaving an apostate church to join another religion is meaningless. They were never believers to begin with.
Be careful of erhman. His sources differ on wether he speaks to scholars or lay person's. He uses differing sources for lay people otherwise scholars could debunk him
Jesus called himself THE SON OF MAN aka God and told the disciples to shut up as his time had not come. You're leaving that out. Why 😲🤔. Because you're LYING
Why stop at " before ibrahim, I am." Why dont just go all the way up and say " before Adam, I am"
There is no God... Stop fighting
@shanunelson7161 why stop at "there is no God... "? Why don't just go all the way up and say, "There is no God but the One". Just like 1.2 billions did. 😇. Embrace Islam. Religion is not cause of the fight. It is used as an excuse of the fight.
@@mdmishfaqahmed2138 haha... In future u will the power of science..1.2 billion are identified as Muslims( community )... Out of that there are millions of non believers emerging in Muslim community ... Go search.. 🤭.. People go with facts not with fantasy... Just consider the incident.. The out break of Covid19😉
@@mdmishfaqahmed2138 So I studied queer'an and it says that the sun sets in a spring of blazing hot water, which is obviously false. Now what?
It's a no brainer Arabia was never heavily populated, full of deserts with nomadic settlements here and there. The difference in population can be easily estimated from the byzantine-Arabian battles and persian-arabian battles in the 7th century
Arabs only fought against the Byzantine army but not much against the population. The non Calcedon Christians as the Egyptian Coptics and Asyrians didn't helpt the Byzantine army at all against the arabs
@AbrahamFramirez-hr5zu my point is that byzantines/persians had a bigger army with superior technology - the sign of more advanced civilizations with larger populations.
But who am I kidding, if a couple of conspiracy theorists youtubers are trying to make a living by ripping off the evangelists all I can say, may almighty grant them a better source of rizq/sustenance.
@@mdmishfaqahmed2138 Bro before the Arab conquest the byzantine and Persians were fighting a mini world war for like 30 years and they nearly destroyed each other. So it was not that difficult for Arab tribes of Syria,palestine and northern Arabia to defeat them.
@perorenchino2036 yet they fielded 4 times more military 🪖 in yarmouk 635. Even according to your fav scholars Mecca was a "joke". The byzantines in yarmouk and persians in qadissia even tried to synchronize their attack and almost succeeded. Too bad with so much numerical advantage they could not hold muslims off for more than 6 days in yarmouk.
The winners of yarmouk reinforced muslims in qadisia soon after and routed persians.
Now, if you wanna believe in these fairy tale preachers and ignore all the historians from all across the world, be my guest.
@@mdmishfaqahmed2138 Taking some random peasants and giving them a sword doesn't make him a soldier. Numbers hardly matter if quality of soliders are sub per. After 30 years of conflict,they hardly had any "soldiers" left. They were facing battle hardened Arab mercenaries of the north not traders of mecca 😂.So "mecca of hijaj" has nothing to do with that.
Mongols also were numerically disadvantaged but they destroyed entirety of the middle east 😂😂...
Quran cannot be a product of Hijaz. Yet, it factually appeared from there and transformed a barbaric society into enlightened empire. Thanks for the lecture My faith becomes stronger. Allahuakbar.
🤦🤦 the whole point is that it didn't 'factually' appear from there.
Mecca isn't even on map prior to the 9th century and Medina is a population of a few hundred.
Not to mention the fact that Arabs of the hijab are virtually all illiterate..
the 'facts' destroy the narrative of the Quran coming from there
There were Arab empires, but they were centred in Syria (Umayyads) and Iraq (Abbasids). They don't seem to be very Islamic before Abd El Malik, who had an Arabisation initiative, late 7C not 630s, and needed his own religion to be entirely free of Byzantine power, to legitimize himself, in public appearance. Before then for instance coins minted by the parvenu Arab rulers, often have either Christian crosses or Zoroastrian symbols, this could not be if the Rashidun caliphs narrative were true.
@Kumarapwmss1989 Islam is victorious altgough kaffirs dislike
@@collybever History denialist
You should probably blow Shaytan out of your nose, he's clearly effecting your ability to think
Actually, Shoemaker is completed deluded. He doesn't seem to realize what the latest discoveries in the southern part are. One of those academics who continues to live in his own bubble unfortunately!
why dont you put the details of all the archeological evidence from hezaj area where everything took place as per islamic narrative.shut down jay for good.by the way under MBS region almost all of mecca is dug up for high rising buildings.he would have collected all the artifact and made a museum.instead he put all the idols of uzza and alat in a museum.why?
what you put forward as a truth is simply an orientalist hypothesis contradicted by other orientalists and non-Muslims who on the contrary think that the Hijaz was an important crossroads for the Arabian Peninsula and the Near East. This hypothesis is especially mistreated by historians who have very well documented the presence of Jews and Christians in this region since long before Islam.
*Jesus of the bible committed sins according to his own words*
Jesus said if anyone called anybody a fool will be put in hell (Matthew 5:22) but Jesus himself called people fools (Matthew 23:17)
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As abusive language, rather than descriptive. That's if one is judged by the law, and why we need a Saviour. Mohammed whoever he was did not provide salvation, he just gave a cheapened version of the Mosaic law. If the standard narrative is true, then he broke the most important commands in the Mosaic law, ones for which under that covenant, there was no forgiveness. He needed salvation in God's way, but instead had decided to be a prophet, with benefits (if he existed).
You went to speakers corner to study islam 😂
Why everyone fear islam to know one knows the truth of the islam simply islam is only true religion ✍🏻
Where did u get that arbitration theory? If anything it was ongoing struggle between two Medina tribes awas and khajraj. Seems like it is you who made up the standard Islamic narrative or whatever
😎😎😎😎😎 *CHRISTIANS WORSHIP A MUSLIM MAN. JESUS WAS A MUSLIM PROPHET*
From Bible Matthew 21:11 - “This is Jesus, the Prophet from Nazareth”
Bible Luke 7:16 - “A great Prophet has appeared among us”
Bible Luke 24:19 - “He was a Prophet”
Bible John 6:14 - “Surely this is the Prophet”
Bible John 3:2 - “You are a Teacher who has come from God”
Bible John 7:40 - “Surely this man is the Prophet”
muslims french kiss black stone pagan style and perform pagan rituals around it because they have pagan belief that it can forgive sins. But... they're not pagans
😎😎😎😎😎 *Satan said to Jesus if you are son of God then turn this stone into bread. Even Satan knows that Jesus has no qualities of being a God*
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😊THE QUR'AN IS A CHRISTIAN TEXT AND JESUS IS MUHAMMAD AS MUHAMMAD IN THE QUR'AN BEING A EUPHEMISM FOR MESSIAH(CHRIST)HaMASHIAK.
The Qur'an properly read appears to be a Christian text calling for the return to the authority of the first apostolic Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15:1-32 in rejection of the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople.
So the only way to pull the rug from under the obscurantists'feet even defeat Jihadism is to reject the categorization Christianity versus Islam and affirm instead Nazareans versus Islam. Nazarean being anybody following the teachings of Paul which of course permeate the Council of Nicaea and Constantinople.
Islam is a reaction to the West attempt to hijack Christianity or the Gospel and use it to overrun the globe.
And the Prince rejected by the Arabian builders became the cornerstone and this is the Lord doing !
More in:
The Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15:1-30 and the partition of Christianity in two Apostolic Traditions: Circumcised(Muslims) vs. Uncircumcised(Paul's Nazareans or Catholics...
JESUS IS NOT GOD AND GOD IS NOT JESUS.
THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH IS LORD GOD, NOT JESUS.
READ:
GENESIS 1:1
BECAUSE THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH IS LORD GOD, SO JESUS COMMANDED TO WORSHIP THE LORD GOD.
READ:
MATTHEW 4:10
LUKE 4: 8.
Please read Isaiah 48:12-16 and then ask yourself concerning the text, who is the one speaking, who is the “Sovereign Lord”, and who is the “his Spirit”?
Jesus is God, allah is satan
@@defenderoftruth3212 The poor guy must have never learnt to read a text in context.
_After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:_
_“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. _*_And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began._*
(John 17:1-5)
@@defenderoftruth3212 Would not his intelligence have to be of a low level, unless he was not led by a truth quest, but other motives ? As in to become muslim, he's got to think the Trinity includes Mary (never was) and is 3 gods (not the idea), that she was the sister of Aaron (an exceedingly uneducated error), be OK with Allah saying that known fables are truth,. then the Quran author lacking miracles tries to impress with "scientific" knowledge, which is now known to be false, attributing these ideas to Allah - Allah thinks the sun sets in a muddy pool, Allah thinks the moon and sun orbit the earth, Allah says male seed comes from the backbone. Also if embraces the hadiths as true, there the alleged prophet says very foolish things, and commits many major sins, with no repentance.
@@defenderoftruth3212 There are many Christians that have become Muslims and many Muslims that have become Christians. Each has their reason for thinking what they are doing is right.
But why do you reject Christianity when the Quran does not accurately alignment with history or archaeological evidence, whereas the Bible does and is full of fulfilled prophecies, multiple eyewitnesses accounts of the life of Jesus, each book in the Bible building on the revelation of the previous books to the completion of the message from God, and a far greater morality than the Quran knows?
pastor Bosworth smith ' the quran is the only scripture preserved in its original language ' biblical scholar ' there are 50k biblical manuscripts no two alike and none of the gospels were even written by any apostle. John 3 16. mark resurrection story added in much later ' if you don't want to believe these two sources then listen to the Bible Jeremiah 8 8 ' scribes falsified the Bible with their lying pens ' muslim since 2002
If two people gave two different accounts of the same thing contradicting each other, then at least one of them is wrong or inaccurate.
1. There are christians who claim Jesus is God.
2. There are christians who claim Jesus is son of God and not God.
3. There are christians who claim Jesus is both God and son of God.
4. There are christians who believe Jesus is a man (not God, not son of God)
Which is accurate?
These are all major contradictions in the religion. Different factions occured since after the time of Jesus.
The Quran is the latest Revelation from God and is the Criterion over the current bible(s).
It consists of message for mankind including to Jews, Christians and polytheists.
Message for mankind include warning mankind of their errors.
Bro I am not Christian 😂
Liar
The earlier idols (false deities) were statues erected of pious people of previous generations.
These people were later wrongly prayed to and taken as deities.
These type of misguided beliefs of taking humans as deities or gods exist in pagan and polytheist religions, past and present.
A human taking another human as a deity or God is falsehood.
It makes absolutely no sense for a human to pray to (worship) another human.
Deity Incarnation where a human is believed to be a deity or God coming down in this world as a human is among the misguided claims in pagan and polytheist religions, past and present.
Claiming a human is God manifest as a human is among the misguided claims in pagan and polytheist religions.
Claiming a spirit in a human is a deity or God is among the misguided claims in pagan and polytheist religions.
Claiming God having sons or daughters is among the misguides claims in pagan and polytheists religions.
All that I mentioned about idolatry, pagan and polytheist religions you can look it up online including from their own sources.
The misguided belief of taking Jesus as a deity or God is against what Jesus himself believe and taught. It is against what all the guided prophets that include Noah, Abraham and Moses believed and taught. It is against the foremost of the religion which is the first and foremost commandment.
Abraham did not pray to Jesus which is a man's name.
Abraham did not pray to three persons.
God is not a human
God created humans
As great a human Jesus is,
he still is human.
Chosen messengers of God were sent by God throughout history to warn their communities of their errors.
Noah and Abraham were messengers of God who were sent to warn their communities of their errors of idolatry and the consequences of Hellfire.
Idolatry is a grave error and an unforgivable sin. The only way is to repent and leave that believe and practise.
Muhammad was also sent to warn the arab pagans at the time of their errors of idolatry.
As an ensuing messenger who is also the final messenger chosen after Jesus, Muhammad was also sent to warn the Christians of their error of believing Jesus is God and the consequences of Hellfire.
In the gospels, it is mentioned that Jesus was sent.
Jesus was a human messenger of God among many human messengers of God that were sent throughout history.
The human messengers of God were chosen from humans and were sent to convey message to other humans.
The one God who sent Jesus is the same one God who sent Noah is the same one God who sent Abraham is the same one God who sent Moses.
Jesus did not send Jesus.
The one God sent Jesus.
The one God is not Jesus.
The one God is the most High and the one who sends, not someone who is sent.
@@aaronharun1394H I like worshipping idols
God begetting a son means 2 gods. Christianity is pagan
Just like Allah has a companion: the co-eternal Word of God, which will speak to Allah on the Day of Judgement.
Along with the Black Stone in the Kaba.
Which makes a trinity.
Islamic is also pagan!
@hmmmmmm69 Quran rejects. There is no partner, no equal of God
After this comment allah became an apostate
@@defenderoftruth3212 no thanks.
I don't want to follow satan.
@@defenderoftruth3212 thats why i am not following your allah :)
Praise The True Living God and my Saviour Jesus Christ!
The dude reminds of one flew over the cookies nest 🪹
Talking nonsense and believing the nonsense
ABOUT MECCA IN THE HIJAZ REGION
🧕 Assalamualaikum People
Dear Christians, Lets assume that I ask U to defend Ur Bible on a certain subject & U end up defeating me by showing solid PROOFS ftom Ur Bible, that means U win & I lose…Yes I came to Ur Bible & I lose!
Same goes for me!…U keep showing what U think is PROOF from outside of Quran but I am using The Quran The No Error Book itself 📖 Q4:82…So U have to crush my Quran first! That is my call out challenge to U Dear Christians! 💪🏽
U keep saying that Mecca had No Water No Food No Civilisation 🤣 Mecca was thriving with Life even during Ishmael’s time! 👉 Q19:54-55…GO 👉 Read The Quran!
See, WATER👉Q9:19, Q14:37 🤣
See, FOOD 👉 Q106:4, Q14:37 🤣
Civilisation means A Society Heading Forward In Non-Stop Advanced Stages Of Urban Developments… Every Society’s pace towards social improvement & modernisation is different
See, CIVILIZATION 👉 The Quraish were smart successful Caravan Traders, Q106:1-4, Q24:37
See, CIVILIZATION 👉 Famous Pilgrim Spot, Q95:3 (Mecca is A City), Q3:96, Q2:125, Q5:97, Q3:97, Q14:35-37, Q19:54-55, Q9:19, Q48:24, Q52:4 - God says its A Famous Fequented House since Abraham & Ishmael
Its not even true what U Christians wrote that Mecca had only a few hundred populations during Muhamnad’s time…It was thousands… In Quraish tribe alone there were around 14 Sub-Clans…So roughly how many people in a tribe? Surely more than a thousand!
Dear Christians, God Guides whoever He choose to Guide…So He chose Prophets from whichever Community He wants to 👉 Q2:213, Q28:56, Q62:2, Q2:151, Q2:129, Q45:16-18, Q61:6, Q2:89, Q33:45-48, Q5:15, Q3:93-94, John 16:7-8, John 15:26, Q6:83-90 - God had supplanted Bani Israel’s Prophethood with Muhammad
God Guided Abraham to go to Mecca to build The Kaaba because God knows The final Prophet will arise from that Land 👉 Q37:100-111, Q14:35-37, Q61:6, Q2:129, Q41:44, Q62:2, Q2.151, Q2:89, Q2:91, Q9:29, Q3:93-94, Q5:65-69, Q2:62, Q6:90, Q4:65, Q4:58, Q2:285, Q4:105, Q33:1-3, Q36:2-5, Q47:1-3, Q6:115, Q33:40, Q61:14, Genesis 17:20, 1 John 2:1, John 16:7-8 (Muhammad The Paraclete/Nasara/Helper Of God
Of coz there were Christians & Al-Yahud in Mecca & Medina during Muhamnad’s time 👉 Q2:62, Q5:65-69, Q13:36-37, Q3:93-94, Q9:29, Q3:23… GO 👉Read The Quran!
Dear Christians, I have 4 Questions for U!
👉🏿 ONE - Why God in Ur Bible addressed Himself as EhYeh Aser EhYeh/God Who God? Exodus 3:14 🤣 Q28:30 (Ana Allah/I am God) matches with Isaah 45:5 (Ani EhYeh/I am God)….LOOK 👉 Q1:1 (Bismi Allah/In Name God) is Micah 4:5 (Basem EhYeh/In Name God)
👉🏿 TWO - Why God in Ur Bible HALAL/PERMITS Incest Marriage Between A Father & His Old Virgin Daughter? NKJV 1 Corinthians 7:36-38 🤣 Q4:23
Words in Greek:
1. Hyperakmos - overripe/past the flower (beauty) of her age/beyond youth
2. Parthenos/A virgin - (a) A marriageable maiden (b) A woman who has no sexual intercourse with a man (c) One’s marriageable daughter
3. Autou - by him/his
👉🏿 THREE - God in Ur Bible said if Adam & Eve had eaten from The Tree Of Life they would have been Immortal, Genesis 3:22..But that would be against Human Nature in Aging Process! 🕰️ Why O Why does God in Ur Bible not know about His own creation?🤣 Q22:5
👉🏿 FOUR - Why is there HARAM KILLING in Ur Bible? Eg 👉 1 Samuel 15:3 & Deauterenomy 20:10-14 (Mass-Massacre), Leviticus 20:13, Deauterenomy 13:6-9, Deauterenomy 22:22-27, Leviticus 20:10 & Deauterenomy 22:22 copied by Sunan Abi Dawud 4449 & Sunan Ibn Majah 1944 🤣 Q4:155, Q17:33, Q25:68-71, Q6:151
🦁 I am The Lionezz Of Islam & I Strive/Jihad to show U THE TRUTH/AL-HAQQI from Kuran The Correct Hadith/Statement/Information/Knowledge Book, KURAN 25:52, 45:6, 42:10… The Iron Law Of The Universe is THE TRUTH//AL-HAQQI Shall Prevail, KURAN 17:81
point 1)the Blackstone was black at the time of Muhammad.So how many people kissed the stone before Muhammad,so to turn it from white to black? And who where them people?
Point 2) Mecca was a small town in 1920's. Has Mecca always been a small town,over a 1440 year period?
Point 3) you speak crap about Lut (in fact most of your msg is crap speak) and his daughters getting pregnant. Lut was not aware that his daughters lay with him,and got up after laying with him. Eg he was innocent.
I am making English words higher in esteem than your quran Arabic recitational sounds.
Recite the following
Yaseen verse 41 👉 Fill Full Kill Mash Whoon.
Yaseen verse 24/25 Fee Dollar Limb Mobeen In Knee A Man Toe .( D for Dollar is not a Dal but a Doin).
O Muhammad said 👉 fill full kill mash? He surely did,if quran came out of his mouth.
But when you think it's Mecca, Hijaz, it would actually be talking about a different location, that's the argument. There was a spring in Mecca, Hijaz, but that would not sustain a large population. As in you need a good supply of water, not just to drink, but to irrigate land to plant crops. The Hijaz location is also no good for rock dwellings and caves, as in the alleged Hira site is just a cleft in the rock. Now of rock dwellings, maybe some old locations that were citties/towns in northern Arabia would work, even maybe some areas in Yemen are like that. [State of the art desalination plants and storage containers support Mecca currently]
@@collybever Mecca is in Hijaz Region
Answer me pls - How big was Nazareth during Prophet Jesus’s time? How many population? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Kumarapwmss1989 😄