"After they paid their debt to society" is an idea that does not exist in North America. If you paid your debt your record would be wiped clean and you could start your life over again. Here we might as well brand people with a mark for life.
Not to mention when your record is wiped clean it's only wiped clean for colleges and employers.... the judicial system can still see where you got in trouble decades ago....
except that you have ~not~ "paid your debt to society" if you are on probation or parole, as is stated in the video. parole is early release to finish out your prison sentence in the community, and probation is an alternative to ever going to jail in the first place. both are VOLUNTARY, as in the offender can opt to serve their time rather than be on probation or parole.
@@nonyabizness.original Yes they have a choice and most if not all will opt for freedom. Whats wrong is returning someone to prison for smoking weed or missing an appointment, especially if they have house and are in employment. housing and employment are the two biggest barriers for people leaving prison.
@@nonyabizness.original This holds true after they are off probation and parole- and often once even their rights are restored. What a dishonest position.
@@truthbtoldwright6411 the vast, VAST majority of offenders are on probation, not parole. that means they have never been to prison, or jail either, for their offense. they opted for community supervision instead of incarceration. so they are not "being returned to prison" for violations of their rules of community supervision. and it is a rare thing indeed for someone to get locked up for an instance of smoking weed or missing an appointment. i don't know if you have believed that line from someone you know on probation or parole, or if you are just going off what you've heard in general, or if you are minimizing your own behavior. p&p agents do not have enough hours in the day to do all the work it takes to incarcerate an offender for a minor violation. if an offender has a stable job and housing, the agent typically goes above and beyond to work through a minor violation like that. the structure of the criminal justice system is indeed a hot mess that ruins lives and needs an overhaul. but what you are asserting is not really a thing, let alone a major factor in the injustices of the system.
People must have the opportunity to reintegrate into society after incarceration if they're not going to reoffend. If they can't find gainful employment and a safe place to live they're going to commit crimes. People have to eat to survive.
@@douglaswright9701 I've known and let many "criminals" into my home. "Criminal" is a blanket judgement. Weed smokers, Murderers, and bad drivers all fit under that blanket. There are millions of young people (including myself back in the day) who have no guidence and are incredibly naive. Since they don't get to choose their up-bringing, they can get into trouble hanging with the wrong crowd. Their situations can get better or worse depending on different variables. Not everything is black and white..
@@bwright7503 wait... in the video, people who go to prison (now mostly forced sober) and get out then continue addiction. Big city m.h. services are nothing like what I've seen in prison, being gutted by the day. We get what we vote for. Wa state resident tired of the wash rinse repeat voting style.
I worked for a non profit hired by a half way house to help felons gain employment. Non profits are filling in the gaps for governments with education, health care, mental health services, and housing. But there are not enough of them to handle the demand. The families also need counseling to stop enabling bad behaviors upon their release. It’s complicated.
1- please do not put probation and parole together. Parole is when people who have been incarcerated are released to finish their sentence under supervision in the community. Probation is when a person is sentenced to community supervision INSTEAD of being incarcerated. I am a retired Probation Officer and your characterization of Probation could not be more inaccurate, at least here in New York. We work very hard to help people succeed... we have many supportive programs, we try to get people into substance abuse and mental health treatment when needed. One of the massive problems with that is the lack of treatment options and long waiting lists. Also, the lack of affordable housing is a problem. But, again, we work very hard with the resources available to us. I strenuously object to you describing my long career in such dismissive and denigrating terms when, in fact, my colleagues and I worked very very hard to support those people whose supervision in the community had been entrusted to us.
@Mrs. Riki I did, in fact, get a crappy paycheck.... we didn't get paid much... but I helped many people and did not take part in destroying any lives. I am proud of the fact that my colleagues and I helped many many people.
I’m a P.O. I can affirm a few of these. One thing that absolutely infuriates me is when a defendants lawyer gives incorrect information about being on supervision. Great example: Someone was recently sentenced to probation in my county, but has been living in a homeless center 2.5 hours away. The lawyer told her she could transfer her probation to her county where she lives. That’s not always true. U need to have your name on a lease to an apartment or own a home within that county or that county’s DOC will reject the transfer. Now I’m forced to order that person, who I’m aware has mental health issues (further complicating things), to live in the county of conviction (where I’m at), that doesn’t have any homeless centers or housing options due to the persons charge, and live on the streets or in her car. That’s not exactly setting the person up for success… Housing options are needed for people that are on supervision. This is especially the case for sec offenders! Not only does it give the probationer a better chance of success, but it also better protects the community as agents will more often know the probationer’s whereabouts.
@@Lord_Tourettes try showing up for work on time with no access to housing, no food and no money for transportation. You may accept the challenge but after a while it would certainly wear you down. Now imagine you had to show up for work with all those barriers to overcome under threat of being thrown back into prison with no civil liberties. If we are just going to punish them in perpetuity then leave them in jail.
🙄 Literally me. I've been on probation. I'm not now. And it didn't cuase poverty... Behave yourself. Thats literally all you have to do. I agree. Its difficult. But far from impossible. You did the wrong thing. Take the consequences for your actions. Pretty much all you have to do is pee clean, and don't hurt anyone else. Done.
As a social worker and someon for whom has a family member on parole.....I DO agree with this. But what's the solution for helping get back on their feet financially? Give them money?
this video repeatedly says "probation and parole" as if they were two parts of the same thing, and implying that both are after prison community supervision release. they are actually two entirely different things, so this presentation makes it look like the video creator knows very little about what they're talking about. that does more harm than good when discussing the urgent need for criminal justice reform.
Exactly one is serving their community on the street and the other is serving the rest of their sentence in the street. And both focus on reintegration especially in PA
Oh wow. I had no idea that it was originally designed to help. I thought that it was meant to see if they could obey a stricter level of rules honestly. If they could then it meant they could follow laws like other free citizens.
In the USA probation and parole needs several things to be effective. First active programs that can help those who are without the aforementioned in this program. The government doesn’t pour into the program as it should be. Secondly, the opportunity to give finances to support them the agency in order to hire people and keep them. Also SC probation & parole from what I gather has tried for many years to utilize the legislation of evidence based practices under sentencing reform guidelines. It is effective to some degree as it had reduced the number of technical violations and closed a few prisons due to the reduction. It is still floating however more funding to be greater is needed.
I hope many young men and women will see this and realize it’s about their future generations and don’t do crime and unlawful actions. Nobody will pay for your lack of thought besides you
@@mbogucki1 it also ignores the Innocent people placed into this system as well as the law breakers that don't receive that same consequences if any like you steal millions if not billions and ruin lives as well as the economy but if I get pulled over with a blunt on me then I'm the bad guy.
@@Lord_Tourettes the law was created by man and changes all the time. Following the law has to be learned. We did not evolve to inherently follow the law. There are many reasons why someone can wander down the path of crime. Trying to resolve some.of the CAUSES of criminality can reduce crime. It's called being PROCTIVE instead of being REACTIVE. Also please let's be real. The system is set up for people to profit off of. NOT to improve the lives of convicted people post convictions nor to reduce crime rates. No one is excusing crimes that have been committed. But perpetual punishment is NOT what it is supposed to be about.
Our system is designed on the premise if you treat people harshly enough regardless of crime and make it harder for them to change then they will do better. Which of course for profit companies are fine with.
@@douglaswright9701 you are intentionally missing the point yeah a lot of people deserve prison but their a lot of people that don't or don't deserve to be in a system that doesn't care to distinguish between horrible acts and minor offensive. There are people you pass by every day that have committed some kind of offense and are good people but they just aren't in jail for it and wouldn't deserve to be punished because that would be stupid. There are little nuisances in our system in favor of blanket for profit punishments
@@kickassv8 They have to pay monthly fines to probation. If these are not paid, they extend the probation. It becomes an endless cycle for many people that are unable to gain employment because their paroles and probations show up on their background check !!! These fines are $100 a month and more !!!
All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, let he/she who has no sin cast the first stone, so sick of hypocrites trying to judge anyone. By the way have you sat down and truly reviewed your demonic perceptions, a person who has been to jail and released in the eyes of God have made atonement for their crime/s (especially if they are truly trying to find gainful employment and housing) and have been given a new start but it is always evil people who want to make them criminals for the rest of their lives. Woe unto anyone who causes my little ones to stumble, he/she has done their sentence but society want's that sentence to last a life time (what if God did you that way) you make void the sacrifice of Christ on the cross.
Awe, you read about it. How lovely of you. My friends wife went back to jail 2 days ago for violating her probation. Breaking and entering, but I guess she isnt understood and loved enough.
Everyone saying that pro life people should adopt children (right leaning people are more likely to adopt by the way) should have to agree to house and/or employ ex cons if they agree with this video.
This video is so stupid. Yeah let's shift to blame from the actual people doing the crime and doing things wrong and continuously doing it. Violating their probation instead of doing the right thing. If they wanted help and wanted a new life they can start it and build it but they don't. They do what's familiar to them.
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"After they paid their debt to society" is an idea that does not exist in North America. If you paid your debt your record would be wiped clean and you could start your life over again.
Here we might as well brand people with a mark for life.
Not to mention when your record is wiped clean it's only wiped clean for colleges and employers.... the judicial system can still see where you got in trouble decades ago....
except that you have ~not~ "paid your debt to society" if you are on probation or parole, as is stated in the video. parole is early release to finish out your prison sentence in the community, and probation is an alternative to ever going to jail in the first place. both are VOLUNTARY, as in the offender can opt to serve their time rather than be on probation or parole.
@@nonyabizness.original Yes they have a choice and most if not all will opt for freedom. Whats wrong is returning someone to prison for smoking weed or missing an appointment, especially if they have house and are in employment. housing and employment are the two biggest barriers for people leaving prison.
@@nonyabizness.original This holds true after they are off probation and parole- and often once even their rights are restored. What a dishonest position.
@@truthbtoldwright6411 the vast, VAST majority of offenders are on probation, not parole. that means they have never been to prison, or jail either, for their offense. they opted for community supervision instead of incarceration. so they are not "being returned to prison" for violations of their rules of community supervision.
and it is a rare thing indeed for someone to get locked up for an instance of smoking weed or missing an appointment. i don't know if you have believed that line from someone you know on probation or parole, or if you are just going off what you've heard in general, or if you are minimizing your own behavior. p&p agents do not have enough hours in the day to do all the work it takes to incarcerate an offender for a minor violation. if an offender has a stable job and housing, the agent typically goes above and beyond to work through a minor violation like that.
the structure of the criminal justice system is indeed a hot mess that ruins lives and needs an overhaul. but what you are asserting is not really a thing, let alone a major factor in the injustices of the system.
People must have the opportunity to reintegrate into society after incarceration if they're not going to reoffend. If they can't find gainful employment and a safe place to live they're going to commit crimes. People have to eat to survive.
How many criminals have you hired or let into your home? If the answer is none, why should everyone else be expected to?
@@douglaswright9701 I've known and let many "criminals" into my home. "Criminal" is a blanket judgement. Weed smokers, Murderers, and bad drivers all fit under that blanket.
There are millions of young people (including myself back in the day) who have no guidence and are incredibly naive. Since they don't get to choose their up-bringing, they can get into trouble hanging with the wrong crowd. Their situations can get better or worse depending on different variables. Not everything is black and white..
@@bwright7503 wait... in the video, people who go to prison (now mostly forced sober) and get out then continue addiction. Big city m.h. services are nothing like what I've seen in prison, being gutted by the day. We get what we vote for. Wa state resident tired of the wash rinse repeat voting style.
I worked for a non profit hired by a half way house to help felons gain employment. Non profits are filling in the gaps for governments with education, health care, mental health services, and housing. But there are not enough of them to handle the demand. The families also need counseling to stop enabling bad behaviors upon their release. It’s complicated.
If they help you support them.. then their source of income disappears. Reoffenders and violations feed the prison industrial complex.
1- please do not put probation and parole together.
Parole is when people who have been incarcerated are released to finish their sentence under supervision in the community.
Probation is when a person is sentenced to community supervision INSTEAD of being incarcerated.
I am a retired Probation Officer and your characterization of Probation could not be more inaccurate, at least here in New York.
We work very hard to help people succeed... we have many supportive programs, we try to get people into substance abuse and mental health treatment when needed. One of the massive problems with that is the lack of treatment options and long waiting lists. Also, the lack of affordable housing is a problem. But, again, we work very hard with the resources available to us.
I strenuously object to you describing my long career in such dismissive and denigrating terms when, in fact, my colleagues and I worked very very hard to support those people whose supervision in the community had been entrusted to us.
@Mrs. Riki I did, in fact, get a crappy paycheck.... we didn't get paid much... but I helped many people and did not take part in destroying any lives. I am proud of the fact that my colleagues and I helped many many people.
😂😂😂😂😂 that's funny
I’m a P.O. I can affirm a few of these. One thing that absolutely infuriates me is when a defendants lawyer gives incorrect information about being on supervision.
Great example: Someone was recently sentenced to probation in my county, but has been living in a homeless center 2.5 hours away. The lawyer told her she could transfer her probation to her county where she lives. That’s not always true. U need to have your name on a lease to an apartment or own a home within that county or that county’s DOC will reject the transfer. Now I’m forced to order that person, who I’m aware has mental health issues (further complicating things), to live in the county of conviction (where I’m at), that doesn’t have any homeless centers or housing options due to the persons charge, and live on the streets or in her car. That’s not exactly setting the person up for success…
Housing options are needed for people that are on supervision. This is especially the case for sec offenders! Not only does it give the probationer a better chance of success, but it also better protects the community as agents will more often know the probationer’s whereabouts.
I failed two quarters in college due to the "violation" of not showing up on time.
And if you don’t show up on time for work then they fire you. Lmao it’s simple logic
@@Lord_Tourettes try showing up for work on time with no access to housing, no food and no money for transportation. You may accept the challenge but after a while it would certainly wear you down. Now imagine you had to show up for work with all those barriers to overcome under threat of being thrown back into prison with no civil liberties. If we are just going to punish them in perpetuity then leave them in jail.
But it's profitable to have them out and back in. Employs a lot of people and makes a lot of people rich so there you have it.
So.....show up on time or communicate with your officer....
@@blacknrd05 You're so cute. Is it weird having sister as a mother?
This is another argument for universal basic income. And I'm all for it. How do we pay for it? Tax corporate profits.
How about not committing crimes? Get a job, work hard and get some morals.
Stop making sense! That sort of thing is not allowed on this channel!
🙄
Literally me. I've been on probation. I'm not now. And it didn't cuase poverty...
Behave yourself. Thats literally all you have to do. I agree. Its difficult. But far from impossible. You did the wrong thing. Take the consequences for your actions. Pretty much all you have to do is pee clean, and don't hurt anyone else. Done.
As a social worker and someon for whom has a family member on parole.....I DO agree with this. But what's the solution for helping get back on their feet financially? Give them money?
I just think we need to have a really hard convo about this
They don’t want you out the system,put child support on top of that you never get done I’m a product of it
❤ thank you
this video repeatedly says "probation and parole" as if they were two parts of the same thing, and implying that both are after prison community supervision release. they are actually two entirely different things, so this presentation makes it look like the video creator knows very little about what they're talking about. that does more harm than good when discussing the urgent need for criminal justice reform.
Exactly one is serving their community on the street and the other is serving the rest of their sentence in the street. And both focus on reintegration especially in PA
Oh wow. I had no idea that it was originally designed to help. I thought that it was meant to see if they could obey a stricter level of rules honestly. If they could then it meant they could follow laws like other free citizens.
In the USA probation and parole needs several things to be effective. First active programs that can help those who are without the aforementioned in this program. The government doesn’t pour into the program as it should be. Secondly, the opportunity to give finances to support them the agency in order to hire people and keep them. Also SC probation & parole from what I gather has tried for many years to utilize the legislation of evidence based practices under sentencing reform guidelines. It is effective to some degree as it had reduced the number of technical violations and closed a few prisons due to the reduction. It is still floating however more funding to be greater is needed.
I hope many young men and women will see this and realize it’s about their future generations and don’t do crime and unlawful actions. Nobody will pay for your lack of thought besides you
This of course ignores why someone breaks the law in the first place. Its never as simple as do or do not.
@@mbogucki1 it also ignores the Innocent people placed into this system as well as the law breakers that don't receive that same consequences if any like you steal millions if not billions and ruin lives as well as the economy but if I get pulled over with a blunt on me then I'm the bad guy.
ok, pollyanna.
@@mbogucki1 Tell me your amazing excuse for breaking the law lol
@@Lord_Tourettes the law was created by man and changes all the time. Following the law has to be learned. We did not evolve to inherently follow the law. There are many reasons why someone can wander down the path of crime. Trying to resolve some.of the CAUSES of criminality can reduce crime. It's called being PROCTIVE instead of being REACTIVE.
Also please let's be real. The system is set up for people to profit off of. NOT to improve the lives of convicted people post convictions nor to reduce crime rates.
No one is excusing crimes that have been committed. But perpetual punishment is NOT what it is supposed to be about.
Our system is designed on the premise if you treat people harshly enough regardless of crime and make it harder for them to change then they will do better. Which of course for profit companies are fine with.
Maybe the point is that people who aren't dumba$$es will hear how much prison sucks and not break the law in the first place.
@@douglaswright9701 maybe it means even if they didn't do anything or anything serious they get treated like they committed triple homicide
@@DPowered2 True! Because prisons are full of people that didn't use their turn signal or who took more than ten items to the express lane.
@@douglaswright9701 you are intentionally missing the point yeah a lot of people deserve prison but their a lot of people that don't or don't deserve to be in a system that doesn't care to distinguish between horrible acts and minor offensive. There are people you pass by every day that have committed some kind of offense and are good people but they just aren't in jail for it and wouldn't deserve to be punished because that would be stupid. There are little nuisances in our system in favor of blanket for profit punishments
I need to eat today, not next month.
Probation and parole are a for profit business !!!
They find reasons to keep people on parole or probation as long as possible !!!
How exactly is parole and probation a for profit business?
@@kickassv8
They have to pay monthly fines to probation. If these are not paid, they extend the probation. It becomes an endless cycle for many people that are unable to gain employment because their paroles and probations show up on their background check !!!
These fines are $100 a month and more !!!
@@reallovechannel1309 I have a radical idea! Maybe they shouldn't have committed the crime in the first place.
@@kickassv8
Those without sin cast the first stones !!!
When you are perfect then you can judge anyone !!!
@@reallovechannel1309 I've never been to jail. I choose NOT to commit crimes.
All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, let he/she who has no sin cast the first stone, so sick of hypocrites trying to judge anyone. By the way have you sat down and truly reviewed your demonic perceptions, a person who has been to jail and released in the eyes of God have made atonement for their crime/s (especially if they are truly trying to find gainful employment and housing) and have been given a new start but it is always evil people who want to make them criminals for the rest of their lives. Woe unto anyone who causes my little ones to stumble, he/she has done their sentence but society want's that sentence to last a life time (what if God did you that way) you make void the sacrifice of Christ on the cross.
Awe, you read about it. How lovely of you.
My friends wife went back to jail 2 days ago for violating her probation. Breaking and entering, but I guess she isnt understood and loved enough.
I have a homeless son who went to jail 39 times before they put him in diversion and probation.
Oh yeah and his government's fault your son went to jail 39 times. Maybe your son should be in jail for life.
@@notjustinnnnn if read the article. My point was maybe early on if they put him in diversion and probation he might not have gone back so many times.
Now remember folks with 1 dollar a day you can stop little timmy's murderous tendencies.
Income support =??? From where? Explain further
It’s doing exactly what it’s intended to do 🤷🏾♀️
Everyone saying that pro life people should adopt children (right leaning people are more likely to adopt by the way) should have to agree to house and/or employ ex cons if they agree with this video.
Not to mention most pregnancy centers and actual charity and help come from right leaning people too...
@@9ninrninr947 plus, that's their money being spent. Not others
@@rjtheripper931 That too. Its not even a contest, but if it were....one "side" is waaaay worse.
Far to much money!! Who own's the prisons judges cops council members business clubs major sports clubs........?
This video is so stupid. Yeah let's shift to blame from the actual people doing the crime and doing things wrong and continuously doing it. Violating their probation instead of doing the right thing. If they wanted help and wanted a new life they can start it and build it but they don't. They do what's familiar to them.
All this video is asking for is to pay more taxes. Saved you some time.
Suggestion: Don't do the crime and NO PROBLEMS..........
Yes,
Insurrectionists need to go to prison
you haven’t paid your debt if you got out EARLY on parole.. and to say drug use is a victimless crime is just crazy!