This, combined with the video removing these mechanics in Sans' fight, really puts into perspective how much Sans depends on them to even stand a chance against the human.
The statements remains somewhat true, hence why Sans is only effective against true evil characters, otherwise he is pretty much not that much of a threat.
@@kepabra3782 isn't karma a buff tho? The thing is that in undertale if an attack deals 1 damage it doesn't give you s. To balance this out most of the projectiles disappear when you hit them. The only reason why sans is strong is because his projectiles don't disappear, while karma only makes the battle easier.
@@RemoveThisTrashLetMeSeeNames That's how the game works, technical stuff, I don't think that's how the lore and logic of Undertale operates. Karma would still be a debuff, as you get that poison status.
It's pretty logical that you die almost instantly with karma and without I-frames. As we know sans has 1atk, that means he deals lowest dmg possible. That's why sans is that powerful, all thanks to karma.
@Gaming Rainbow and others but kinda interesting how you got 99 armor and damage but there is!! The one guy that only deals 1 single damage that makes your armor and work useless Also how Sans gets there like nothing No preparation Nothing just a lazy skeleton with "pink" slippers and a jacket to Judge a kid
0:36 the way the damage is taken literally feels like 6 bones were smashed against a child's forehead with enough power to break them and watching the child bleed
Question: what if you do a true pacifist route, but come to Sans with 19 LV? Does it initiate the fight, or does it require you to actually slaughter everyone to get a bad time?
@L it actually checks several actions Did you kill 21 random encounters on ruins ? Yes Did you kill toriel ? Yes Did you kill snowdrake ? Yes Did you kill all the dog guards in snowdin ? Yes Did you kill 16 monsters in snowdin ? Yes Did you kill glad dummy ? Yes Did you kill 18 monsters on waterfall ? Yes Did you kill undyne ( any form ) ? Yes Did you kill muffet? Yes Did you kill the royal guards in hotlands ? Yes Did you kill 40 monsters on hotlands/ the core ? Yes Did you kill mettaton NEO? Yes If all are set to yes sans gives you a bad time
@@danielgonzalez-vm5lj What is very strange is that it checks for if one has fought Undyne the Undying AND if Undyne is dead, even tho it realistically only has to check for one of these.(Because one can only get out of the Undying-fight by killing her and that Undying is only even available on Geno...and also the detail that the murderlevel-check is linear, the game doesn't even do this check if the prior check returned false)
Well if your on Pacifist and everything had Karma affect it would prob be easier cause like it’s called the “Karma” effect for a reason, meaning it probably actually would heal you since you have no LOVE in Pacifist run.
Karma should deal more damage depending on the LV you are. For LV 1 you Don’t get any karma, for lvl 2 you barely get karma, and the more the lv is higher the more damage KR does.
Now I wanna see the Sans fight without the Karma effect and with I-frames, that would be like if Pacifist Frisk and Chara faced down Sans in the genocide run.
The lone Karma effect is how I've believed the way karma would work Sans has frameskipping capability because his fight is kinda in a way ..based on him cheating the system?? So Karma is just another one of your toys used to make battles even more unfair for those without their own cheats So basically skeletons (and probably Boss Monster's when not holding back so much) can just remove I-Frames, I guess within my headcanon
Actually, I just noticed this rewatching, you get to 1HP on the Papyrus Fight and he doesn't capture you. Can you die in the fight under this condition?
Toriel and asgore should've had a burn effect, and if papyrus had a phase two then it would be cool that when you got hit by a bone you would instantly turn blue
Check the gaster related things. In the gaster room, are there any hidden things behind surfaces? In entry number 17 does the black screen have anything behind it? Does true lab smoke actually just hide the behind layer of ground? lots of questions.
Thanks for showing my comment in the video I’m speculating that the instant death is basically this Because sans does 1 damage I’m assuming it just a 1 every frame So someone who does 4 damage like undyne will do 4 every frame
Without those I-Frames, I can't imagine the rage from the boss battles from Undertale streamers - especially from the Genocide Undyne boss and Sans boss fight 😂😭💀
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Asriel: "Why won't you die?!"
Frisk: "Good karma, son!"
"It hardens in response to magical damage. You can't hurt me, Azzy!"
@@Youhadabadday2021 That's how infinite atk works
"Nice knife" **breaks the Chaos saber**
@@Youhadabadday2021 what hardens 😳
@@someone-wh2rb A magical invisible barrier around frisk. Not what you're thinking.
It would be interesting to see a version of Undertale where everything is essentially the Sans fight.
No I-frames, all attacks do 1 damage, and karma.
Hard mode but even harder
Whats an I frame?
@@charifamilyguyinvincibility frame
very interesting concept ngl
And all attacks stay even when hitting you, since most just dissappear when you take damage from them.
*Papyrus No Longer Believes In You*
Oh no!
From Disbelief Papyrus
disbelief real
DISBELIEF IS CANON NOW
You know you are fucked when that happens
Imagine if the game gave you perma-karma after completing a genocide run
that would be cool
@@freptical and impossible
@TML Alkanoid but impossible
@@cyanisnicelol it cool
@@lopsetardits also impossible
Its funny how the karma effect alone helps you but the lack of invincibility frames is the only downside in the sans fight
@@notmorg No?
@@notmorgNo?
@@notmorg No?
@@someone-wh2rbMaybe?
it honestly would make for an interesting game experience.
This, combined with the video removing these mechanics in Sans' fight, really puts into perspective how much Sans depends on them to even stand a chance against the human.
This would make a good hard mode. Omega Flowey would be a nightmare.
it would actually be a hard fight if it had karma
Your Best nightmare
Imposible IMPOSIBLE
@Gigi your
Undertale: HARD MODE should be this.
If all current battles were given the karma effect it would most likely make most of them absolutely impossible
The Karma effect can keep you alive, it's the I-frames being removed that's the problem
It wouldn't make them impossible. But you'll have to do them nearly No Hit.
Then Sans would really be the easiest enemy.
@@marekud1431 a froggit would be weaker than sans cuz sans has a shit load of magical stamina reserves
@@marekud1431 sans with s will do it
For people saying that Sans is nothing without Karma:
He is nothing when his core mechanic of no i-frames is removed.
The statements remains somewhat true, hence why Sans is only effective against true evil characters, otherwise he is pretty much not that much of a threat.
@@kepabra3782fanon
@@kepabra3782 isn't karma a buff tho? The thing is that in undertale if an attack deals 1 damage it doesn't give you s. To balance this out most of the projectiles disappear when you hit them. The only reason why sans is strong is because his projectiles don't disappear, while karma only makes the battle easier.
@@RemoveThisTrashLetMeSeeNames That's how the game works, technical stuff, I don't think that's how the lore and logic of Undertale operates. Karma would still be a debuff, as you get that poison status.
@@kepabra3782 the lore and logic of undertale still includes the technical stuff
It's pretty logical that you die almost instantly with karma and without I-frames.
As we know sans has 1atk, that means he deals lowest dmg possible. That's why sans is that powerful, all thanks to karma.
Imagine Undying lol 43 dmg sure hits more but since our hp is 60 it hits 43.
not because of karma,sans disable frame damage,thanks to frame damage he is so powerful
It’s so weird that Karma properly works how you’d probably expect it to
The Karma effect is pretty interesting
This basically makes sans the ACTUAL easiest enemy
No way, its a battle cat?????
@Gaming Rainbow and others but kinda interesting how you got 99 armor and damage but there is!! The one guy that only deals 1 single damage that makes your armor and work useless
Also how Sans gets there like nothing
No preparation
Nothing just a lazy skeleton with "pink" slippers and a jacket to Judge a kid
@Gaming Rainbow and others ok
@Gaming Rainbow and others ok
@Gaming Rainbow and others ok
What happens when you press fight or mercy buttons in the "spooky music" encounter near napstablooks house? (The one with woshua and aaron)
You can't interact during it
@@disorientedguy888 they meant what if you unlock the option to interact with the buttons during that segment, which is normally impossible.
@@notmorg exactly
Probably it would crash the game the same that happens in the nobody came and flowey encounter but good idea anyways!
Undyne spear: allow me to *delete your hp* .
1:08 Asriel: oh shit i charged too much- *the gun totally explodes with the rainbow and the human agian dies but refuses*
1:26
dude survived so much
even the screen shifted and asriel was shocked 💀
This is what happens when your sins crawl on your back
0:36 the way the damage is taken literally feels like 6 bones were smashed against a child's forehead with enough power to break them and watching the child bleed
You should totally release this as a mod! It'd make a super fun challenge run.
@@dio5645 Huh??
This honestly seems like a cool challenge run idea (for more experienced players obviously).
1:42 blud became asriel to trick frisk
Question: what if you do a true pacifist route, but come to Sans with 19 LV?
Does it initiate the fight, or does it require you to actually slaughter everyone to get a bad time?
sans fight is triggered by a "murder level" not LV, pretty sure nothing would happen
@L it actually checks several actions
Did you kill 21 random encounters on ruins ? Yes
Did you kill toriel ? Yes
Did you kill snowdrake ? Yes
Did you kill all the dog guards in snowdin ? Yes
Did you kill 16 monsters in snowdin ? Yes
Did you kill glad dummy ? Yes
Did you kill 18 monsters on waterfall ? Yes
Did you kill undyne ( any form ) ? Yes
Did you kill muffet? Yes
Did you kill the royal guards in hotlands ? Yes
Did you kill 40 monsters on hotlands/ the core ? Yes
Did you kill mettaton NEO?
Yes
If all are set to yes sans gives you a bad time
@@danielgonzalez-vm5lj exactly thats the "murder level"
im pretty sure you would need a specific amount of kills to fight sans
@@danielgonzalez-vm5lj What is very strange is that it checks for if one has fought Undyne the Undying AND if Undyne is dead, even tho it realistically only has to check for one of these.(Because one can only get out of the Undying-fight by killing her and that Undying is only even available on Geno...and also the detail that the murderlevel-check is linear, the game doesn't even do this check if the prior check returned false)
Imagine it as a default for the genocide & soulless routes.
Or hard mode
Well if your on Pacifist and everything had Karma affect it would prob be easier cause like it’s called the “Karma” effect for a reason, meaning it probably actually would heal you since you have no LOVE in Pacifist run.
Suddenly Asgore, Undyne (both Undying and Normal) and Asriel becomes the hardest battle
they took the whole "you would be dead where you stand" to another level 💀
True
1:17 whenever i need to defeat a boss in under 1 minute...
RAPID FIRE!
Karma should deal more damage depending on the LV you are. For LV 1 you
Don’t get any karma, for lvl 2 you barely get karma, and the more the lv is higher the more damage KR does.
All enemies&bosses in Undertale, except Sans, deal a lot of damage, so karma effect is a very overpowered on them.
Something about the instantaneous Asriel death was HYSTERICAL
Ironically if it was “canon Karma” in pacifist runs it would either heal you or they’d do no damage at all.
0:45 Asgore isn't holding back anymore.
1:04 lore accurate Asriel
Sanses:uhhh you cant killl m-...just let me...*go at a chair* **AAAAAAAAH-**
Could make for a VERY interesting Undertale mod
Why is dying to Asriel's laser instantly so funny to me
toriel one actually makes sense since she attacks you with fire so you would be in flames.
With karma in the asriel fight makes it even harder
Is there a version of this that can be downloaded?/How can I make this for myself? It seems like a fun challenge
Conclusion: undyne the undying con kr es imposible
in the asriel fight it feels like it knows you did genocide before this
Now I wanna see the Sans fight without the Karma effect and with I-frames, that would be like if Pacifist Frisk and Chara faced down Sans in the genocide run.
Don't forget, with karma, attacks deal twice the damage.
I wanna play with that, can you explain how to do it please?
I always say if Papyrus didn’t have I frames he’d be so fucking lethal…and I still stand by that
ONE hit from asgore and Undyne and.. it’s over
The lone Karma effect is how I've believed the way karma would work
Sans has frameskipping capability because his fight is kinda in a way
..based on him cheating the system??
So Karma is just another one of your toys used to make battles even more unfair for those without their own cheats
So basically skeletons (and probably Boss Monster's when not holding back so much) can just remove I-Frames, I guess
within my headcanon
1:17
_H-How? How are you not dying despite the KR effect?!_
"I refuse to take damage."
_WHY?!_
"I refuse to elaborate."
Thats actually a hardmode version of undertale
Amazing, how many interesting videos about undertale you made!
*THATS IT! NO MORE GAMES, NO MORE PUZZLES*
"This would be impossible"
Merg: Hold my Beer
Undyne is actually pretty hard and with karma mode might be even harder than Sans
How it would actually feel to get burned, stabbed, and shot with a rainbow gun irl:
I dare someone to beat the game like this, every ending
basically,you need attack 1 on everybody for it to be possible
0:54 so that is how it looks like if sans have more then 1 atk
Wow, pretty unusual. I thought the game would crash again or something like that, but no. You can even try to complete the whole game with it!👀
1:16
Frisk: *pain*
Deltarune idea: What if you can control Kris when he rips his soul out?
Wow, this guy is really working on content. Thank you for the video
1:07
Asriel:im blast yo
Frisk:*Dies*
bro i LOVE the end scenes
That soul do be vibing in the phase 1.5 lf Asriel Dreemurr lolll
Finally. Realism mode!
Actually, I just noticed this rewatching, you get to 1HP on the Papyrus Fight and he doesn't capture you. Can you die in the fight under this condition?
No, after you get another hit you will just get captured as usual
In the ruins this makes sense, toriel is fighting you after you killed everyone. Therefore we now have karma
This shows that sans truly is the easiest enemy...
How do I change hp for karma in Undertale?
Toriel and asgore should've had a burn effect, and if papyrus had a phase two then it would be cool that when you got hit by a bone you would instantly turn blue
Hey so ✨Question✨
*what if you go into sans and papyrus’s house in a genocide route?*
someone do video of entire game like that
i wanna see somebody play the entirety of genocide with karma and no i frames
Bet
Undyne would be instakill.
@@gneu1527 me who no hits both undyne and Sans:insta what ? Never heard of it
0:43
Undynes theme tied perfectly into asgores theme
Kind of
With the karma effect everything does like double damage
I'd love to see someone play the game like this. That'd be dope.
1:44 Asriel: *Becomes Sans*
Check the gaster related things.
In the gaster room, are there any hidden things behind surfaces?
In entry number 17 does the black screen have anything behind it?
Does true lab smoke actually just hide the behind layer of ground?
lots of questions.
Thanks for showing my comment in the video
I’m speculating that the instant death is basically this
Because sans does 1 damage
I’m assuming it just a 1 every frame
So someone who does 4 damage like undyne will do 4 every frame
Don’t care much for undertale content rn, but u have great editing. Instant sub
at this point the cloudy glasses and torn notebook would be the best option
Imagine if, after doing the gen0cide route, the game did this for every battle.
Yeah man
(Deltarune Chapter 2) What happens if you respect the pottery in the room where queen tells the rules?
Alternative title: Making sans not unique
1:16 the best part in this video
0:46 *PERFECT* 👌
Imagine if this would be the new hardmode, now that's real challenge
alternative title: every battle is sans battle style
That's right folks it was just Sans all a along !
They finally finished hard mode
give us the download for it, or teach us how to disable the s and/or enable karma
So even if I don’t commit Several War Crimes, I still get bodied by every monster
undyne undying with no i frames are disgustingly strong, even without the karma
Undertale but secretly everyone knows about the genocide run and figured a way to deal karma damage
Day 2 of asking what if you talk to the NPCs at the Hotland puzzle before Alphys deactivates the blue laser.
Why would it be any different?
1:07Look at this weapon lol What if you have a health bar that has 99 health points I think you will die directly 💀
Without those I-Frames, I can't imagine the rage from the boss battles from Undertale streamers - especially from the Genocide Undyne boss and Sans boss fight 😂😭💀