What a legend! I have to say though, I’m not sure my heart is going to sustain his pro career. The shock of trying to work out if he was in that crash, they shouting at the TV for 20min on that climb ... nah, this is not good for my health 😂
You are spot on with the point about tires being a massively underrated aspect of cycling. I live in the US in the North East were the roads are crap and it seems like I get flats even with Tubeless tires all the time. I have tried on my road bike Conti, Hutchinson, Specialized among others and honestly I am so frustrated with the puncture protection and the amount of money I spend on repairs and tires that its driven me to stop riding my bike sometimes. So I totally understand your point. I am to the point of getting metal tires here in just for riding in my area.
Most of my riding is crit courses, so its GP5000s and Latex tubes for max speed for me. 100psi+ A pain to put on, but I reckon I'll out roll any other setup.
Supple is the right word for sure! Been using many types of tires and ha worn them out, then just went for another type until I found the absolute perfect tire for me. All I can say is, there's lots of information that's hyped out when in reality... These High Road tires @ 179tpi in 25mm are crazy good 👍 super comfy And with some decent puncture protección. Mine last a bit more than 3000 klms, but I change them out when they have 2800 klms. Great videos Chris, as always...
I'm@@willytseng8504 Hi there, I use the tubolito road tubes with them, they are not the tubeless ones. I'm using the "HYPR 700×25c 170 TPU-HIGH ROAD Competition tires" Take care And safe riding
Challenge Paris-Roubaix "open tubulars" ... absolute PITA!! I think also when it comes to tyre fitting that rims also play a major part but not often talked about
Great honest opinion. I live in Ireland and 25mm are perfect for me, I've no desire to go wider. I've one bike set up tubeless and the other on clinchers, the tubeless one uses GP5000TL and they are impossible to mount both on Giant and Fulcrum 2-Way-Fit rims. My fitting troubles turned me to Pirelli clinchers on my summer bike which has the Fulcrum wheels, the reason I chose that particular model of Fulcrum was to run tubeless but the GP5000 ruined it for me. Don't get me wrong, the GP5000 are fantastic once on the rim, roll fast, no punctures and grip well but I just can't deal with the incompatibility between those tires and my rims should I need do a road side repair. If I had a tubeless tire that I could confidently say I could do a roadside repair (remove tire & valve, insert tube and re-mount the tire) with my rims then I'm sold on the concept and would switch my summer bike over once my Pirelli have worn.
Wasn't mad on the 5000s. I find the rim has alot to do with how easy or not tyres are to fit and now that everything is (virtually) tubeless compatible it only increases the issues along with wider rims. Had nightmare with 5000s 23mm, corsa g2 25mm on a set of Primes. It convinced me to buy tools go help get them on the rim. Saves your hands on cold days.
@@oisin2142 were the Corsa G2 also tubeless? I was looking at those and Pirelli Tubeless as potential replacements for the GP5000TL if I could find out if they're easier to mount and dismount,
@@MrJwmurph Can't speak on the tubeless, but I found them harder to fit than the original Corsa G (probably partly due to narrower rim). The G2 are a improvement don't cut like the G. Haven't yet got the balls to give tubeless a go.
I remember way way back when Clinchers were new thing, had some from the Czech republic/ You needed 3 people to put them on. Needless to say they did not catch on.
Massive thanks for this review Chris! 😊. 💯 The GP5000 is not the friendliest to fit on the tubeless Bora WTO (another reinforced review form you👌) looking forward to see these Maxxis tyres available.
GP 5000 TL were nearly impossible to mount on my Bora WTO 60s. Soapy water, bathing them in hot water, stretching them with my legs, fingers bleeding etc. I will never get these off the rims again...
@@andreask1873 that sounds about right when I fitted my rear GP5000 TL, since it worn out. But didn't end up with soap and other things, but it sure is a challenging Tyre to fit.
@@shred3005 unfortunate what it seems but from cyclists who have owned them, surely they would have the same experience, however once they're on, they roll really great.
When you flat a tubeless tire you are always screw up...I don´t know how a dirty full of sealant tire could beehive with an inner tube,you got the perfect mix for tire rotation over the rim while braking. Best thing is ride decent tires you know never or very rarely get a puncture,a little heavy one´s are very good,almost bulletproof. When you spend 20 or 30 minutes on side of the road repairing a flat,the fastest rolling tire in the world can´t get back those minutes. A pair of vinyl globes is the best tool to deal with the sealant mesh.
As far as rolling resistance is concerned, the leaders in the pure racing category are who? Vittoria Corsa Speed G+ 2.0 TLR and Schwalbe Pro One TT TLE? However, they basically have no puncture protection at all so you are solely counting on your sealant then while Continental GP5000 TL offers brilliant balance. For Maxxis to win, it needs to be really light and aero. I cannot find the actual weight so far. Will I bet my money on that it is faster than those mentioned above? I think not.
It's not really the tire that makes it hard to mount, it's the combo. There is no real agreement on exact dimensions for tubeless rims. Although Michelins and Panaracers have caused me headaches tubeless. Gone back to tubes because I just have zero issues with GP5000 clinchers.
HAHA!! That’s gold!!! Did you tell your mate they were impossible to mount or did you keep that quite and just made it look like you were doing him a favour 😁
@@guypolson GCN has a good youtube video how te mount a tyre. ruclips.net/video/fjkSqQM3rzo/видео.html You must start with putting the sidewalls of the tyre in the center of the rim and so bring them one. Then give them a blow so they pop up on the rim. I use the challenge Paris-Roubaix tyre and mounting is easy for me however i have weak hands due to an accident.
I have Campy Bora wto 33 rim brake wheels and want the most comfortable tire for them. All other factors are second to comfort and ride quality. Could you give me your top picks as I see you are running the Campy wheels ? Thanks, Dave
Would they be easy to install onto Mavic Cosmic Elite wheels because I had big trouble putting on Pirelli Cinturato!I couldnt take them after painfull handling so I had cut them to take them off!Very upset!
Worst tyre to mount: Challenge Strada Bianca handmade TLR. Great tyre. Nightmare to mount (particularly by the side of a road on a sleety winter evening). Also very difficult to seat tubeless.
Hi Chris. Im sure you have the knowlesge on rhis. Which 25 c tires are true to their label sizing. Cuz i just got a pzero velo with the tan sidewall. Label says 25c but actual diameter became 28.6 at 6.5 bars psi. I ended up gouging my inner chainstays. I reall dont wanna go back to 23s so can you recommend a 25c out there that are true to size ? Or at least 2 mil to 5 mil bulge? The 28..6 bloat has a 3 mil cleanance thua thw rub.Thank you p.smy rim is 25mm wide with 17ish mm internal width
how wide do these 25mm tyres come up when mounted? I have Schwalbe 25 mm tubeless that end up 29mm on my rims (17mm internal width) with not much clearance to the chainstays.
@@shred3005 Good luck, there are some vids that show easy install, others not so much. I struggled. Before lockdown I just took it to the store to install. BUT once they're on, they great, comfy at lower pressure and good puncture resistance (except for the blow out at end of tyre life span BUT tyre stayed firmly on the rim and was able to stop safely). Another thing, two sets I bought from wiggle had sidewall leaks, which sealed with the sealant. I contracted Conti and they requested that I return them as its not normal. A few vids/forums show users experiencing this too. This put me off them besides the hard install as you only know they leaking once they're on. I'd appreciate it if you could report if you experience the same thing.
@@rj41975 thanks. I had heard about the sidewall leak as well but doesn’t seem common so I wonder if it’s quality control or more likely different sealants make their way through. Anyway, when I get around to it I’ll install and report back. I’ll be mounting them on a set of Farsports carbon rims so might have an entirely different experience as these wheels have been magic mounting other tubeless like Specialized Roubaix
@@shred3005 so did i, 28mm pair. new wheels will have a wait time of three months. i am also waiting on the air-liner road. nothing is in stock..........
You mentioned ghetto system in this video. So you mean your rim is not tubeless ready, but you taped it up and chucked on the tubeless tyre? I'm doing that at the moment and wondering how safe it is.
Are you running rim brakes wow one other thing 25 don't do well on gravel they rough 28s are better. I personally run a 23 /25 combo and a 28 /30 ( kenda they run smaller than stated) combo cheers
Rim brakes on the road bike and Disc with 40” tyres on the gravel. I kind of feel my road bike is for the road and gravel is for off road, hence the set up.
Ok so ranting aside, obviously the width of your rim plays a big roll. So if you had one of those new Zipp303’s with 25” internals, then yeh I can see 28’s playing a roll. But on most wheels no need to go wider the 25” IMO
I don't agree with your choice. I know of the best tire out there but I'm not going to say what it is because everybody will buy them, then there won't be any stock when I need to buy tires. I would point out one more thing you got wrong, your tire width should match you rim requirements. I have Boyd 36 carbon clincher rims which are 22 ID and 29 OD. I'm using 28mm tires for that maximum aero benefit which is proper and the performance proves it. I tried 25mm tires and it just wasn't as good in the corners or comfort and aero wise it's hard to say but 28mm just seems like the right combo.
I always struggle with the price of bike components - premium bike tyres are not much less than car tyres in some cases...
Big ride from Jay vine today
Oh man, that was amazing to watch!
@@ChrisMillerCycling I really hope he takes the overall now
I'm amazed how your descriptions are not over 100k. The blogs are spot on buddy.
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Jay Vine is a climbing beast 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 Epic ride 🎉🎉
What a legend! I have to say though, I’m not sure my heart is going to sustain his pro career. The shock of trying to work out if he was in that crash, they shouting at the TV for 20min on that climb ... nah, this is not good for my health 😂
Maxxis makes an incredibly high quality tyre. Really underrated.
Conti GP 5000 almost ripped my thums when mounting (Grrrhh)
You are spot on with the point about tires being a massively underrated aspect of cycling. I live in the US in the North East were the roads are crap and it seems like I get flats even with Tubeless tires all the time. I have tried on my road bike Conti, Hutchinson, Specialized among others and honestly I am so frustrated with the puncture protection and the amount of money I spend on repairs and tires that its driven me to stop riding my bike sometimes. So I totally understand your point. I am to the point of getting metal tires here in just for riding in my area.
Most of my riding is crit courses, so its GP5000s and Latex tubes for max speed for me. 100psi+ A pain to put on, but I reckon I'll out roll any other setup.
Supple is the right word for sure! Been using many types of tires and ha worn them out, then just went for another type until I found the absolute perfect tire for me.
All I can say is, there's lots of information that's hyped out when in reality...
These High Road tires @ 179tpi in 25mm are crazy good 👍 super comfy And with some decent puncture protección. Mine last a bit more than 3000 klms, but I change them out when they have 2800 klms.
Great videos Chris, as always...
do you use high road sl tr or the standard high road tyres?
I'm@@willytseng8504 Hi there, I use the tubolito road tubes with them, they are not the tubeless ones.
I'm using the "HYPR 700×25c 170 TPU-HIGH ROAD Competition tires"
Take care
And safe riding
Forgot to mention they have "ZK" puncture protección.
i have been using this tyre.super fast and superlight..puncture no problem easy to put back on wheels.no thumb rip off
Nice one. You’re spot on about tyres being underrated. Buy the best tyres you can afford.
I'm impressed with your local knowledge of Dublin & Wicklow. Chapeau!!!
HAHA! Lived in Sandymount for 8 years Rothman, been caught in my fair share of hail storms around Sally Gap 🥶
Was looking for some new tyres. Might need to look into these. Thanks for the honest review 👍
Yes they are, switched from conti last year . No plan going back anytime soon
Those that know ... know 🤫
Challenge Paris-Roubaix "open tubulars" ... absolute PITA!! I think also when it comes to tyre fitting that rims also play a major part but not often talked about
Great honest opinion.
I live in Ireland and 25mm are perfect for me, I've no desire to go wider. I've one bike set up tubeless and the other on clinchers, the tubeless one uses GP5000TL and they are impossible to mount both on Giant and Fulcrum 2-Way-Fit rims. My fitting troubles turned me to Pirelli clinchers on my summer bike which has the Fulcrum wheels, the reason I chose that particular model of Fulcrum was to run tubeless but the GP5000 ruined it for me. Don't get me wrong, the GP5000 are fantastic once on the rim, roll fast, no punctures and grip well but I just can't deal with the incompatibility between those tires and my rims should I need do a road side repair.
If I had a tubeless tire that I could confidently say I could do a roadside repair (remove tire & valve, insert tube and re-mount the tire) with my rims then I'm sold on the concept and would switch my summer bike over once my Pirelli have worn.
Agree. While I rode GP5000s I was terrified of getting a flat. I even took spare levers just so I wouldn’t get stranded.
Wasn't mad on the 5000s. I find the rim has alot to do with how easy or not tyres are to fit and now that everything is (virtually) tubeless compatible it only increases the issues along with wider rims. Had nightmare with 5000s 23mm, corsa g2 25mm on a set of Primes. It convinced me to buy tools go help get them on the rim. Saves your hands on cold days.
@@oisin2142 were the Corsa G2 also tubeless? I was looking at those and Pirelli Tubeless as potential replacements for the GP5000TL if I could find out if they're easier to mount and dismount,
@@MrJwmurph Can't speak on the tubeless, but I found them harder to fit than the original Corsa G (probably partly due to narrower rim). The G2 are a improvement don't cut like the G. Haven't yet got the balls to give tubeless a go.
GP5000 TL definitely the worst tyre to mount by far
I got no choice to get these tyres due to shop availability but after riding it I think I will keep using it for a long run
I remember way way back when Clinchers were new thing, had some from the Czech republic/ You needed 3 people to put them on. Needless to say they did not catch on.
You sure they weren’t called Michelin Pro4’s 😂 ... man, seriously the hardest tyre I have ever had
My Maxxis HR (Clincher) in 700x25C are 27mm wide, so 700x23C would be perfect for me.
I'd take the 23c as well, I bet it measures to 25mm wide
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Thanks dennis
i thought these are only rated for 1500km mileage and less puncture resistant than high road?
Massive thanks for this review Chris! 😊. 💯 The GP5000 is not the friendliest to fit on the tubeless Bora WTO (another reinforced review form you👌) looking forward to see these Maxxis tyres available.
GP 5000 TL were nearly impossible to mount on my Bora WTO 60s. Soapy water, bathing them in hot water, stretching them with my legs, fingers bleeding etc. I will never get these off the rims again...
Not sounding good to mount the GP5000 TL I just purchased 😟
@@andreask1873 that sounds about right when I fitted my rear GP5000 TL, since it worn out. But didn't end up with soap and other things, but it sure is a challenging Tyre to fit.
@@shred3005 unfortunate what it seems but from cyclists who have owned them, surely they would have the same experience, however once they're on, they roll really great.
Hardest: GP5000s. All day, every day. Last puncture, had 4x 'experts' trying to get it back on the rim
Oh man, that is a deal breaker for me. Knowing that if you flat it’s going to be almost impossible to remove the rim is just not a runner for me.
@@ChrisMillerCycling ok to take off, damn difficult to put back on. Might try these Maxxis ones soon
When you flat a tubeless tire you are always screw up...I don´t know how a dirty full of sealant tire could beehive with an inner tube,you got the perfect mix for tire rotation over the rim while braking. Best thing is ride decent tires you know never or very rarely get a puncture,a little heavy one´s are very good,almost bulletproof. When you spend 20 or 30 minutes on side of the road repairing a flat,the fastest rolling tire in the world can´t get back those minutes.
A pair of vinyl globes is the best tool to deal with the sealant mesh.
As far as rolling resistance is concerned, the leaders in the pure racing category are who? Vittoria Corsa Speed G+ 2.0 TLR and Schwalbe Pro One TT TLE? However, they basically have no puncture protection at all so you are solely counting on your sealant then while Continental GP5000 TL offers brilliant balance. For Maxxis to win, it needs to be really light and aero. I cannot find the actual weight so far. Will I bet my money on that it is faster than those mentioned above? I think not.
It's not really the tire that makes it hard to mount, it's the combo. There is no real agreement on exact dimensions for tubeless rims. Although Michelins and Panaracers have caused me headaches tubeless. Gone back to tubes because I just have zero issues with GP5000 clinchers.
Continental GP5000, without a doubt the worst tyre to mount onto a wheel. If only I could show you the blisters on both hands!!
Challenge Strada, never got it on the rim, gave it to a friend
HAHA!! That’s gold!!! Did you tell your mate they were impossible to mount or did you keep that quite and just made it look like you were doing him a favour 😁
@@ChrisMillerCycling I told him if he could mount them he could have them, still don't know if he could.
@@guypolson GCN has a good youtube video how te mount a tyre.
ruclips.net/video/fjkSqQM3rzo/видео.html
You must start with putting the sidewalls of the tyre in the center of the rim and so bring them one. Then give them a blow so they pop up on the rim. I use the challenge Paris-Roubaix tyre and mounting is easy for me however i have weak hands due to an accident.
Are those Campagnolo Bora WTO 33 wheels? Looking forward to a review.
GP5000 tubeless was a huge punish to try to mount.
Yeh I’ve heard that from a few people now.
I have Campy Bora wto 33 rim brake wheels and want the most comfortable tire for them.
All other factors are second to comfort and ride quality.
Could you give me your top picks as I see you are running the Campy wheels ?
Thanks, Dave
Is the high road sl 25mm tubeless a good replacement for a gp5k tl? I can’t find any reviews for this specific tire besides your video
Would they be easy to install onto Mavic Cosmic Elite wheels because I had big trouble putting on Pirelli Cinturato!I couldnt take them after painfull handling so I had cut them to take them off!Very upset!
Worst tyre to mount: Challenge Strada Bianca handmade TLR. Great tyre. Nightmare to mount (particularly by the side of a road on a sleety winter evening). Also very difficult to seat tubeless.
Hi Chris. Im sure you have the knowlesge on rhis. Which 25 c tires are true to their label sizing. Cuz i just got a pzero velo with the tan sidewall. Label says 25c but actual diameter became 28.6 at 6.5 bars psi. I ended up gouging my inner chainstays. I reall dont wanna go back to 23s so can you recommend a 25c out there that are true to size ? Or at least 2 mil to 5 mil bulge? The 28..6 bloat has a 3 mil cleanance thua thw rub.Thank you p.smy rim is 25mm wide with 17ish mm internal width
how wide do these 25mm tyres come up when mounted? I have Schwalbe 25 mm tubeless that end up 29mm on my rims (17mm internal width) with not much clearance to the chainstays.
Bloody GP5000 TLs, went back to tubes due to that struggle
Oh dear. Just bought a pair of them but haven’t mounted them yet 😕
@@shred3005 Good luck, there are some vids that show easy install, others not so much. I struggled. Before lockdown I just took it to the store to install. BUT once they're on, they great, comfy at lower pressure and good puncture resistance (except for the blow out at end of tyre life span BUT tyre stayed firmly on the rim and was able to stop safely).
Another thing, two sets I bought from wiggle had sidewall leaks, which sealed with the sealant. I contracted Conti and they requested that I return them as its not normal. A few vids/forums show users experiencing this too. This put me off them besides the hard install as you only know they leaking once they're on. I'd appreciate it if you could report if you experience the same thing.
@@rj41975 thanks. I had heard about the sidewall leak as well but doesn’t seem common so I wonder if it’s quality control or more likely different sealants make their way through. Anyway, when I get around to it I’ll install and report back. I’ll be mounting them on a set of Farsports carbon rims so might have an entirely different experience as these wheels have been magic mounting other tubeless like Specialized Roubaix
@@shred3005 so did i, 28mm pair. new wheels will have a wait time of three months. i am also waiting on the air-liner road. nothing is in stock..........
You mentioned ghetto system in this video. So you mean your rim is not tubeless ready, but you taped it up and chucked on the tubeless tyre? I'm doing that at the moment and wondering how safe it is.
Has been working for me for many years now
Come to the south island New Zealand , 28 c tyres
Very keen ... can you get us a Tour Of Southland start 👌🏼
@@ChrisMillerCycling I wish I had that must pulling power
😁😁 was worth a try
Are the SLs clincher tires that can fit alpninist wheelsets?
Where did you find these, all I'm finding is the HIGH ROAD TR, not HIGH ROAD SL TR.
Do you know the weight of the tire?
is the continental gp5000s tr better than this maxxis? I'm not sure.
Jay Vine!!!
LEGEND!!! Oh man, that was incredible to watch.
Are you running rim brakes wow one other thing 25 don't do well on gravel they rough 28s are better. I personally run a 23 /25 combo and a 28 /30 ( kenda they run smaller than stated) combo cheers
Rim brakes on the road bike and Disc with 40” tyres on the gravel. I kind of feel my road bike is for the road and gravel is for off road, hence the set up.
@@ChrisMillerCycling great keep it up
Will Aaron Rodgers be a Packer in 2022?
@@ChrisMillerCycling maybe not time will tell
Jay Vine.....WHAT!!!!!
What a legend!
Is this the bit I get to say I dropped him at the Bowral Classic again 😂
Have you tried the new Schwalbe Pro One TL easy
No I haven't Sean, we had some trouble a few years back with the Schwalbe distributor in Australia, so we haven't rushed back.
@@ChrisMillerCycling Im going to give them a go, was on Conti TL will see how "easy" these are to get on 😁
Interesting point on width, what’s the theory on 28 rear and 25 front?
Ok so ranting aside, obviously the width of your rim plays a big roll. So if you had one of those new Zipp303’s with 25” internals, then yeh I can see 28’s playing a roll. But on most wheels no need to go wider the 25” IMO
@@ChrisMillerCycling I just got a Caden rear wheel built, they put the 28 onto it and not a 25 , was interested in people theory.
I don't agree with your choice. I know of the best tire out there but I'm not going to say what it is because everybody will buy them, then there won't be any stock when I need to buy tires. I would point out one more thing you got wrong, your tire width should match you rim requirements. I have Boyd 36 carbon clincher rims which are 22 ID and 29 OD. I'm using 28mm tires for that maximum aero benefit which is proper and the performance proves it. I tried 25mm tires and it just wasn't as good in the corners or comfort and aero wise it's hard to say but 28mm just seems like the right combo.
nope we won"t !!!
@@paulhowell7103 Good!
@@wasupwitdat1mofiki94 boo hoo i"m not sharing with anyone daddy told me not too !!!!!
For me Conti gp 's only (on road) ....
Worst tire was conti gators but not the folding type.
I keep telling people this....
Worst tire to mount? Definitely ultra sport xD
Enve tires are the worst to mount
No there NOT the best tyres .......That is the correct answer to your question . They may be GOOD , but they are NOT the best
so what are the best?
@@pennyblue6372 personal preference , but specialised turbo cotton would be better than these
who cares about these tyres .... have you see Jay Vine in tour of Turkey ?
CONTINENTAL IS WORST!