I’m glad you’re getting that money but I refuse to download a web browser whose most infamous moment this year involves being forced to delete one of their tweets because somebody blocked them and made them look like a bunch of fools.
@@davidker8820tbf a lot of them include cutscenes showing who or who may have done it and Phoenix needs to prove their guilt regardless(also I suck at predicting stuff).
My favorite trope in games, is when a writer puts a character that makes you think that they're going to betray you...which then makes you overlook a different character who's being a little more discreet about their intention.
When I played RDR2, I assumed that this is what was happening with Micah. He was so obviously going to betray us that I actually became CONVINCED he was a red herring and someone else in the group was the real rat. Joke was on me I guess 😭
Although the believable part is that if Mike does have a car while living in London, the nearest available parking space would probably be outside the studio in Brighton.
@@MidniteSpectre There are actual insects that reproduce by stabbing their partner in the abdomen. They do this to bypass the filter mechanisms females use to discard unwanted genes.
Okay I’ll admit I fell for Dusknoir, partially because of the sweet Duskull banker and my love of ghost types. I was so excited they weren’t vilifying him for being a ghost type. The heartbreak my kid self felt.
That wasn’t even the first time I realized that I was decieved by a villain that I should’ve known much sooner that they were evil. …Seriously, Smash Bros Brawl’s music list warned me about Marx. How did I not realize that he was evil the entire time (aside of me being brand new to the Kirby franchise)?!
Same, he was so charming and all the previous villains where acting mean from the get go or dropped the facade early so. I wasn't heartbroken though, my excitement over the new world I got to explore was to great. I don't think we can be blamed for believing in him though. An open minded attitude shouldn't be something to get blamed for
At least they subverted it with Musharna and Hydreigon in a later game. I don't think you should use a pokemon's type as a judgment in mystery dungeon. Even Gengar in the first one who was a jerk eventually came good.
I think my hopes got up because of Skuntank’s Gang, like Their gang were shitty and tried to steal from you constantly but they weren’t Evil by any stretch of the imagination, just your typical Jessie, James and Meowth situation. So I was like “Oh it’s not impossible to become super famous in Pokémon world I mean the player character is proving themselves quickly” and then..le epic betrayal. Dusknoir became one of my favorites after that though
I killed Patches in Elden Ring the first time because I thought he was playing opossum when he started cowering. Ooops. I wont be fooled by Patches again, until the next game hes in.
Missed a much more shocking and totally surprising Dragon Age betrayal with Rendon Howe in Dragon Age Origins. Most players have to wait all the wait to the fall of Ostagar and perhaps even longer to hear about this character. Imagine the hapless newbie who chooses a human noble origin for their first playthrough, excited for a completely new game they know nothing about, and then, less than five minutes in: THIS guy! While all other origins characters get a tense buildup to their inevitable tragic backstory and forced recruitment into the Grey Wardens, one of the first characters you meet is Rendon Howe, who couldn't look shadier if he wore a sign saying "I'm going to betray and murder your entire family." Top it all off, he's voiced by none other than TIM CURRY! Even the most naive gamer at this point is going to suspect, "Hmmm.....this guy might be evil."
13:41 Okay, that Dracula entry needs to be in the list of Suprising transformations we didn't see coming. Why is my lovely shirtless vampire now a weird centipede dragon thing?
Dusknoir was one of my best mons in Shield. Her name was Big Momma and her bulky health with the curse debuff was a godsend against some tougher fights. Ill always trust you Big Momma ❤
Ah, Dusknoir... The first videogame betrayal I've experienced and the last time I trusted a character blindly. Makes me proud that I had learned to read red flags from him though, since this saved me from the emotional upheaval of having any trust with Patches.
You can actually turn Parker to your side to help attack Marburg, the aging assassin you fight in Rome, by finding out it was Marburg who killed his daughter. If you earn Marburg's respect, he'll leave and Parker will be left to fight you alone. And if you get Marburg's respect and tell Parker the truth or point out a flaw in his logic? No Marburg fight (he will kill someone later for you) and Parker will disable the turrets for you. I actually got every possible ally in that game on Hard mode. I felt so god damn awesome becoming a one man charmer, turning the spy world against Halbec (and then taking Halbec for myself).
I'm feeling quite pleased now that when I was fighting Patches in that bit of Elden Ring I semi-panicked and just kept on attacking and killed him. Sure, I missed out on some shenanigans (and was puzzled for a while as to why I had Patch's Bell, or whatever it's called, in my inventory), but at least I wasn't fooled even once.
Kreia from KotOR 2 belongs on this list, she spends the entire game hating everything you do, screwing with your other companions and tells you she's a Sith Lord like 16 times, then suddenly decides to betray you and become the final boss. Who could have seen it coming
Kreia is a very good option for this list! My mind went to Bastila in KotOR, but of characters from KotOR, Kreia is a better pick. At least with Bastila you can get her back, although I always forget what the dialogue options are for it and I always play as a female so it's harder to convince her. And I guess if you go dark side yourself it's kind of a moot point. 🙃 (Also can't remember who was on the prior lists for this topic either lol)
I thought Mike coming back on to give us a commercial in the video was going to be another nice person turning evil bit, but it was an actual commercial! Betrayal!
Not sure if it was brought up in the other two videos, but the 'child prince' in Diablo 3 was obviously Belial from his opening lines. The Lord of Lies being the worst at lying only getting as far as he does because Blizzard can only write when the player character is beyond stupid was very much on brand.
It is implied that your character figured out pretty early on the "Emperor Hakan" is actually Belial, and was just playing along. I mean, it IS pretty obvious, though Belial seems mildly surprised when you just casually call him by is real name. But then, the other villains aren' tmuch better - Azmodan is supposedly a master tactician, and everyone keeps telling you so, but all he does is keep popping up to tell you exactly what his plans are and where he'll be striking next. Instead of, you know, just attacking a weak spot without warning in order to actually have an effect before you have time to show up and stop him. But no, he's all like "Haha, you stopped my X, well, I have my Y instead!", "Oh, you think you're so clever destroying my Y? Well I still have my Z!". And then Diablo does basically the exact same thing in Act IV...but then he is part-Azmodan by that point, so maybe that's why :D.
I still can't believe that trusty old Patches betrays you. Every time. Sometimes more than once in a single game. Surely next time he'll have his stuff sorted out and be the upstanding pal I know he can be.
The three of you were sooo good with the comedic timing of the facial expressions and body language, it was hilarious. Chef's kiss! Also "Putting the ass in Xardas'' lol Mike 😆
In my opinion, I think that Patches is more useful alive rather than dead because the things he sells as a merchant can be useful like Morgott's shackle. He also sometimes has a role in other character's questlines.
I don't know if you've covered this in any previous videos yet, but... I genuinely was surprised that Big Smoke betrays you in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. Why? Well, apart from the fact that he's the first of the Grovers you meet, is the only Grover who is actually glad to see you back (unless you count Kendl), and you team up with him during Just Business, one of the most fun missions (IMO) in the early stages of the game, it was because it never occurred to me that there might be TWO Grovers who would betray you. I figured Sweet was going to get killed, leaving Carl the only surviving Johnson boy, after which Big Smoke and Carl would team up as the last two surviving OGs against Tenpenny, right after they blasted super-obvious traitor Ryder. Yes, Big Smoke moved out of the Grove. But I always assumed that was because his mission were harder than Sweet's and Ryder's so they wanted you to tackle them later. And yes, Sweet mentions that "you and Smoke" killed Little Weasel even though, not only do you attack Glen Park and kill L.W. by yourself, there are no missions where you team up with Smoke and have to fight ANY Ballas, but I just assumed that was due to bad writing. If you ever do a non-sarcastic list of betrayers, Big Smoke belongs on that one, and Ryder belongs on the next list of obvious ones.
@ghostderazgriz no I got that, it's more the fact that Patches has been in numerous lists that honestly we've hit bed rock..if you don't know who Patches is and what he does after years of top 7 lists then that's on you. No sarcasm was missed, but thus lists has been done by them before
It's not that I believe him, it's just that I'm curious where his shenanigans will lead and I like bringing a little ray of sunshine into his life. His laughter makes it all worthwhile
Nice to see Alpha Protocol on a list. Also, "mole in a spy agency" is such a tired old trope. I wasn't the least bit surprised when Alex Pester or whoever turned out to be a traitor.
Glad you included Pokemon Mystery Dungeon on a list! Especially since I just started pkaying Explorers of Sky again myself (and discovered I could get achievements with RetroAchievements which was a pleasant surprise)
With Micah, the only question was how long he had been a Pinkerton informant. Was it since before the start of the game or after the gang returned from Guam.
I honestly think it was after they got back from Guarma. I know people talk about the white costume while everyone else is dressed in darker outfits as though Milton and Ross would make the, "Don't shoot the guy in white," deal but they really have no reason to honour their side of it; they wouldn't keep him alive and Micah has enough low cunning to know that he's of no use to them after they get Dutch. The Pinkertons would see it as better to wipe out the entire VDL Gang and try to claim the significant bounty that would still be on Micah's head in Strawberry, if nothing else; Micah would know this too. Plus... why would Micah even want to have the rest of the gang killed? Like all bullies, he hates being alone. Yes, he abuses those who he sees as lower on the totem pole than himself, but if he sees value in people then he very much keeps them around. He spends the game cosying up to Dutch before pulling his strings in the epilogue, he recruits new hired guns to the gang, and he fights alongside the VDL gang on many occasions, rather than just inflicting friendly fire in the middle of a shootout as he might do if he truly wanted to be rid of certain members of the gang. He's vain, cruel, and misanthropic - but he keeps people around if he sees a use for them and he hadn't finished with the VDL gang yet.
They tell you, in game, by even the Pinkertons, after they got back from Guama. However, the Pinkertons had an informant before him...who was it? Rockstar never hints nor even gives close to hints. So, it is an open question. And it wasnt O'Malley. They killed her off to mislead you. The reason I say there is another because they were setup before the start of the game. Rockstar never returns to that one though. Perhaps, if they do Red Dead Redemption 3, we shall find out.
@@StacieMMeier How much do the Pinkertons actually need an informant though? The only real reason we have to believe that the VDL gang is actually competent is because the story is told from Arthur's perspective. By analysing their track record, we see that the VDL gang are not all they're cracked up to be. Moreover, Angelo Brontë kept his position in Saint Denis by pulling up the ladder behind him, owning politicians and police chiefs, making sure that the likes of the VDL gang didn't have a place in Saint Denis. Isn't a tip-off from him (or one of his toadies) in the way of, "These lowlife bank robbers have infiltrated my town and it is mutually beneficial to us for you to get rid of them," considerably more likely than Micah walking into a firefight with the Pinkertons and assuming he won't be double-crossed?
Cinder Carla from Armored Core 6. She keeps calling you "tourist" because you're trespassing on her territory, but she keeps opening doors for you. Why would you think there wouldn't be enemy mechs being deployed behind you? Or explosive canisters dangling above you? Or a super-sized mech with grinder arms as big as your own mech waiting for you on the other side?
Interesting we have ads in the middle of the perviously clean list videos, can't remember that happening in the past. Gamer Network's Q4 is really knocking on the door I guess. On the one hand we hope that our Oxbox pals are doing well, on the other we hope that we're not seeing another GAMURS Group style pressure on our favourite youtubers. If Jane, Mike, Andy, Luke and Ellen are doing well out of it then we wish them well......... if not, my finger is hovering over the subscribe button of your new independant channel. Lots of love pals
@@SimuLord 1000%! I moved from being a RUclips sub to a Patreon sub because Andy mentioned early on when they launched it that it was "the best way" to sponsor OX. I don't know enough about how the revenue shakes down but I liked to think that meant they, rather than Google, got more of my subscription money. Not sure how it all works out but as you say I'm really glad for Second Wind to be doing so well because they seem like a great bunch. I'd love love love to think that all our sub revenue was going in the pockets of the OX gang (including Johnny, James and Jon.) Who knows. I know everyone says this but I was a very very early sub [insert my credentials here like the Xbox One hangover vid blah blah] but if they could do a Second Wind I'd be so so happy for them. F around and find out 🐴
I don't know if or when this kicked in, but there is a new RUclips policy that you can't choose when ads happen anymore as a creator? Could be wrong though, have done no research. Edit: never mind lol. Had not yet gotten to the sponsored portion of the video, thought you meant traditional ads
@@sarahgent2674 no need to apologise, I'm glad of your input. I don't know enough about the mechanics of this and I'm lucky to have RUclips Premium which most people don't so that extra ad point is interesting to hear. Thanks I hadn't thought about that too. I don't think this vid was marked as "sponsored."
I would also add to this in favour of the commercial pressures recently that Andy and Mike did that Black Friday steam which was just pure shopping of OX merch and highlighting the affiliate money the channel was making from other products. As usual it was entirely watchable and fun from those lovely guys but to those who know the channel a change of gear pushing revenue generation. Thats not a criticism but maybe a sign. Again, just hope our friends at the channel are benefiting.
@@SimuLord oh yes sorry I absolutely wasn't complaining. Totally agree those videos are great and it doesn't bother me if they are sponsored, as I say I hope they are making a ton each. They've given me so so so much. I am just interested that they have done two new money making things at the end of this year, quite close together. Good luck to them, I'm here for all their vids.
If I ever write a successful fantasy story, there's definitely going to be a character named "Evil Lord of Darkblood" or something like that who turns out to be the most loyal companion.
If I was Dracula and I was waiting for the absolute perfect time to ambush the vampire hunter descended from a line that had beaten me time and time again. I would probably do it in the middle of a random maze. Not the end of the game where they are at their strongest, most skilled and loaded with equipment. I also wouldn't have transformed in front of him and given him a ton of time to prepare. Maybe thats why I'm not a powerful vampire lord. I also own shirts and wear them sometimes. Though I suppose if I had abs like that I would probably not wear shirts either
I am thinking of many characters from the Legacy of Kain series that could fit in this video. In the first game, Mortanius the Necromancer resurrects you as a vampire in order to defeat the circle and heal the land, guides you through the entire game... and shows himself to be the final boss at the end, operating at the command of a host of baddies that have taken up residence within him. Through many of the series' games, Moebius the Timestreamer is helping you from time to time, but obviously reveals he had been manipulating you all along. The Elder One, Raziel's master, is also manipulating him for his own purposes (and Moebius also, by the way).
What about Penelope from Sly Cooper thieves in time? She was once on the Cooper Gang's side in the 3rd game, but the twist in the 4th game of her turning on us still blows my mind
@@TylerTheShepherd Yeah. I agree that it was very poory executed. It was one of those twists that felt like it was just made to be a twist for the sake of it & shock factor
Patches actually does show up in Armored Core 6, or at least his broken mecha does. Once you find it, there's an audio log showing that he tried to trick the wrong group.
In Guild Wars 1 (Prophecies), there was an NPC named Vizier Khilbron who presents himself as one of your allies and the last survivor of an ancient kingdom that was wiped out. He needs us to go on a quest chain to find and give to him an all powerful scepter which he swears he'll use to help save the continent. Dude looks like a bad guy, sounds like a bad guy, and surprise surprise, it's revealed at the end that he was secretly a bad guy all along... and literally not a single player felt caught off guard by it. The only way any of us would've been surprised is if he HADN'T been a bad guy, and just had Jafar vibes for no reason...
I have another character from assassin creed mirage when you play quest for makirah ( her name in arabic means foxy or cunning) at first you think you doing fetch quests in order for her to look beautiful and you get her boss office key but when mission done turns out you actually helped her kill one of her Opposition and framed another
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I never trusted dusknoir but another pokemon mystery dungeon character that should be trusted is muuna from mystery dungeon gates to infinity and nuzleaf from super mystery dungeon
Jane: "Are we sure this is suitable for kids?" Me: Did Jane not watch any 80's kids movies as a child? The Neverending Story? The Goonies? The Secret of NIMH?
In the literally-released-yesterday Warhammer 40K: Rogue Trader, the very first person you speak to is a shady spymaster named Kunrad Voigtvir. Everything about him from his voice, demeanor, and character portrait screams that he is going to betray you, and, surprise, he does within the first half hour of gameplay.
I don't think I've ever been fooled by Patches for real, but I've still done the things to interact with him. Love the guy, and at this point seeing him appear in a new FS game is like a warm blanket after a long tiring day; comforting.
Rat God from Mad Rat Dead could potentially apply, considering how she shares the bright colour palette of the nightmare enemies, her very suspiciously sugary way of speaking and the one cutscene where it's implied that a group of street rats are lured into being eaten by a local cat because of her, which all ends up culminating in the reveal that she's actually just a clump of toxiplasmosis cells that've spent the whole game trying to get you eaten by a cat so she can continue living
It will never get on any OX list i bet, but in the first Guildwars game you are helped throughout the story by the only survivor of a lost kingdome of Orr, a man called Vizier Khilbron. He looks nice and saves your life a few times... till he does not need you anymore and it is revealed that he did die in the cataclysm that destroyed Orr (that he started himself...) and is now an Undead Lich that wants to rule the world with the help of his new Titan army you helped him to unleash, oh and he wants to kill you as well. He seemed such nice and trustworthy person at first (apart from all the undead he was summoning at will :)).
Yeah, they seem really adverse to Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2, which baffles me when they constantly show WoW content, and have even touched on FFIV a few times. There's so much GW2 content that could go on lists. They're really missing out.
Man, I only played GW a while before I quit. You're telling me there's an MMO with a plot twist? We don't get that nearly enough. Imagine something that that in a game like City of Heroes and the servers would probably still be on because people would never feel comfortable turning them off again.
As soon as Dusknoir came on the screen, I knew things were going to go wrong because of it... I just didn't know HOW wrong. Also figured Grovyle had at least good intentions because of that.
I'd go with Ryuzo from Ghost of Tsushima. He's an old friend of Jin's however that doesn't stop him from eventually turning on you to join the Mongels. He did it so that his men of the strawhat ronins are able to stay well fed since the Mongols are hoarding a lot of food, but still the betrayal did sting
Lenny the Lyre bird in Ty the Tasmanian Tiger! He’s a liar (ha! Get it?) throughout the entire level, you have to do the opposite of everything he says to progress, and yet there was some glimmer of hope when he says enter a room it won’t be an ambush and boss fight, very misplaced hope clearly
Zeno in Just Cause 3, the scientist who betrays General Di Ravello to join your cause and it later turns out is actually a double agent working for the general to feed him info about your rebellion.
I’d like to include the innocently-named Honest Tom from “Gun.” I’ll give you a wild guess as to whether or not he lives up to his name. Also: KotOR II’s Kreia is a wonderful example of this too. Except instead of being “surprised” at the betrayal from a lady named *Darth Treya*, it’s more curiosity at what her next move will be. It’s a great version of this trope that doesn’t annoy you, but rather intrigues you.
There was a game called Death Gate from 1994 that had a rather obvious "bad guy" who tells the player to go do stuff for him so he can, I don't remember, save the worlds? Only it turns out that he just wanted you to collect items so he could, again, don't remember, rule the worlds?
24:09 What do you mean? Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky are totally kid friendly. In fact, I daresay that they're the most kid friendly games in the whole franchise.
Note that that's not even all the times Reinhardt has to be told. Between shirtless Dracula and even more shirtless Dracula another vampire hunter has to throw holy water on Malus just to make it truly sink in that it's not demonic possession, _Malus is just actual freaking Dracula, Reinhardt._
Is Micah really betrayal? From the moment I heard his voice I knew it was gonna be me or him. I failed missions because I killed him for being a freaking idiot. At no point did I think Micah and I even shared a side. If I had it my way he'd of stayed in that god damn jail.
In Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia it turns out that the evil organization Dim Sun is secretly bankrolled by the CEO of Altru Inc, Blake Hall. Fooled me, despite him running an oil company, only wearing dark clothing, and how he constantly wears shades that make him look vaguely like Agent Smith.
I'm just pissed that Micah gets to die like a badass. Bro gets shots six times, walks for a bit, shrugs, then falls over. That's straight up main character death material.
Maybe we can consider Lorithea (Xenoblade Chronicles)? The Minister of Science in a weirdly scanty top piece, who speaks with a fairly creepy tone, two-times both Yumea and Melia, and is always being secretive alongside Alvis? ...Ah, but surely she couldn't be planning something horrific with her fellow High Entia. Right...?
For once, I got a suggestion for a part 2: Spoilers for Persona 5 Akechi. The guy works with the prosecutor and the police to chase after you and your team, the Phantom Thieves, for months (in-game), even going on TV to say how much he despises you, only to suddenly change his mind and join you almost out of nowhere. Considering the game doesn't even try to hide there would be a betrayal at some point, as it's revealed about 10 minutes into the game that someone will sell you out, anyone who can put 2 and 2 together will know what's coming. Fortunately for Persona 5, Akechi being a traitor isn't the actual plot twist of that part of the game. The real plot twist was that the Phantom Thieves actually saw it coming and had a plan to pretty much Reverse Uno the treason.
Now we need a list of 7 characters you thought were going to betray you, but didn't. Tachibana from Yakuza 0 and Machiavelli from Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood come to mind
Alan Parker was played by Michael Bell, a veteran voice actor who has done his share of both heroes and villains, with a voice like his, you have best be prepared for him to either help save the world (maybe eating some souls along the way) or stab you the back and lock you inside a maze within a building in New York
Never doubted Xardas from Ghotic II for a moment. He pulled this stunt already in Gothic I, when he studdied dark arts and became a public enemy number 1 just to save everybody...
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Thanks, but no... 😌
I’m glad you’re getting that money but I refuse to download a web browser whose most infamous moment this year involves being forced to delete one of their tweets because somebody blocked them and made them look like a bunch of fools.
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Chromium based with the nonsense Google is pulling on the Chromium development team? Nah. Firefox all the way
We really only have ourselves to blame for constantly trusting Patches.
Patches never hurt anybody
I learned my lesson after Demons souls. Sadly he does have some good items sometimes so I'm forced to play his tune
But. But. He has such a sweet and lovable scrappy name 😂
Patches wouldnt hurt a fly
100% relies on you trusting patches that sucks
That bit with Malus makes me think you should do a "7 Times Figured Out The Plot Twist LONG Before The Idiot Player Character"
This. So . Much. This.
I’m pretty sure you could fill up such a list entirely with examples from the Ace Attorney series.
Top 1000 Times You Figured Out The Plot Before Your Idiot PC (not clickbait)
They didn't even show the part between shirtless dark lord form and centipede dragon form: he reverts back into child form and tricks the PC again...
@@davidker8820tbf a lot of them include cutscenes showing who or who may have done it and Phoenix needs to prove their guilt regardless(also I suck at predicting stuff).
The "Neck Romancer" joke was very good 🤣
Ar ewe sure Bela Lugosi didn't copyright that?
🤣 hilarious
My favorite trope in games, is when a writer puts a character that makes you think that they're going to betray you...which then makes you overlook a different character who's being a little more discreet about their intention.
Especially when the clues are still there when you look back, you just completely missed them. Love that shit.
When I played RDR2, I assumed that this is what was happening with Micah. He was so obviously going to betray us that I actually became CONVINCED he was a red herring and someone else in the group was the real rat.
Joke was on me I guess 😭
The fact that Mike, someone living in London, has a car is the most unbelievable thing on this list haha
...Wait, it's Mike. Nevermind.
The truly unbelievable fact is that he actually has TWO, the absolute mad lad.
@@impalala5074 ..He clearly cannot be trusted lol
Although the believable part is that if Mike does have a car while living in London, the nearest available parking space would probably be outside the studio in Brighton.
Guy is a race car driver, so it makes sense he has 2 cars
5 minutes of getting to know Micah, I could absolutely believe when he betrayed us.
Ten minutes of getting to know Micah I was desperately hoping I'd get the chance to betray him first
Micah is a case of being able to judge a book by its cover, especially when the titel is "How to be a piece of shit".
Hell I’d argue Micah was never on our side enough in the first place for it to even count as a betrayal.
yeah bro was a squirmy devil from go
As soon as you realize that most of the gang are just cool chill dudes Micha stands out way more as shitty
Neck-romancer is 1000% a better name for vampires and should be implemented immediately!
Neckwearmancer is somebody that really loves ties.
@@aerthreepwood8021perhaps loves them a little too much
@@aerthreepwood8021 isn't that a tie-romaniac?
A vampire's fangs are their sex organ. It's how they reproduce more vampires.
@@MidniteSpectre
There are actual insects that reproduce by stabbing their partner in the abdomen.
They do this to bypass the filter mechanisms females use to discard unwanted genes.
Okay I’ll admit I fell for Dusknoir, partially because of the sweet Duskull banker and my love of ghost types. I was so excited they weren’t vilifying him for being a ghost type.
The heartbreak my kid self felt.
That wasn’t even the first time I realized that I was decieved by a villain that I should’ve known much sooner that they were evil.
…Seriously, Smash Bros Brawl’s music list warned me about Marx. How did I not realize that he was evil the entire time (aside of me being brand new to the Kirby franchise)?!
Same, he was so charming and all the previous villains where acting mean from the get go or dropped the facade early so. I wasn't heartbroken though, my excitement over the new world I got to explore was to great.
I don't think we can be blamed for believing in him though. An open minded attitude shouldn't be something to get blamed for
I completely fell for it cos it was my first Pokémon game
At least they subverted it with Musharna and Hydreigon in a later game.
I don't think you should use a pokemon's type as a judgment in mystery dungeon. Even Gengar in the first one who was a jerk eventually came good.
I think my hopes got up because of Skuntank’s Gang, like Their gang were shitty and tried to steal from you constantly but they weren’t Evil by any stretch of the imagination, just your typical Jessie, James and Meowth situation. So I was like “Oh it’s not impossible to become super famous in Pokémon world I mean the player character is proving themselves quickly” and then..le epic betrayal. Dusknoir became one of my favorites after that though
I killed Patches in Elden Ring the first time because I thought he was playing opossum when he started cowering. Ooops. I wont be fooled by Patches again, until the next game hes in.
GIHF. 🐐 🟰 🧍🏾♂️
He’s definitely gonna be back for dlc
"Rest in peace, Arnold Palmer" made me laugh way more than it should have
We'll never forget his love of lemonade mixed with iced tea. And uhh espionage I guess.
Missed a much more shocking and totally surprising Dragon Age betrayal with Rendon Howe in Dragon Age Origins. Most players have to wait all the wait to the fall of Ostagar and perhaps even longer to hear about this character. Imagine the hapless newbie who chooses a human noble origin for their first playthrough, excited for a completely new game they know nothing about, and then, less than five minutes in: THIS guy! While all other origins characters get a tense buildup to their inevitable tragic backstory and forced recruitment into the Grey Wardens, one of the first characters you meet is Rendon Howe, who couldn't look shadier if he wore a sign saying "I'm going to betray and murder your entire family." Top it all off, he's voiced by none other than TIM CURRY! Even the most naive gamer at this point is going to suspect, "Hmmm.....this guy might be evil."
13:41 Okay, that Dracula entry needs to be in the list of Suprising transformations we didn't see coming. Why is my lovely shirtless vampire now a weird centipede dragon thing?
That's like all of Drac's transformations in a nutshell.
Dusknoir was one of my best mons in Shield. Her name was Big Momma and her bulky health with the curse debuff was a godsend against some tougher fights. Ill always trust you Big Momma ❤
Big Momma would never betray you ❤ love me some bulky ghosties
Ah, Dusknoir... The first videogame betrayal I've experienced and the last time I trusted a character blindly. Makes me proud that I had learned to read red flags from him though, since this saved me from the emotional upheaval of having any trust with Patches.
Got to love Patches. We always know that bald weasel will try to kill us but we cant just help but to love him.
I think you mean stab him repeatedly at the first chance, i think.
Naaahhh can’t love a backstabber
You can actually turn Parker to your side to help attack Marburg, the aging assassin you fight in Rome, by finding out it was Marburg who killed his daughter. If you earn Marburg's respect, he'll leave and Parker will be left to fight you alone. And if you get Marburg's respect and tell Parker the truth or point out a flaw in his logic? No Marburg fight (he will kill someone later for you) and Parker will disable the turrets for you.
I actually got every possible ally in that game on Hard mode. I felt so god damn awesome becoming a one man charmer, turning the spy world against Halbec (and then taking Halbec for myself).
Jane not remembering murdered peoples names is very in character for her.
I'm feeling quite pleased now that when I was fighting Patches in that bit of Elden Ring I semi-panicked and just kept on attacking and killed him. Sure, I missed out on some shenanigans (and was puzzled for a while as to why I had Patch's Bell, or whatever it's called, in my inventory), but at least I wasn't fooled even once.
Kreia from KotOR 2 belongs on this list, she spends the entire game hating everything you do, screwing with your other companions and tells you she's a Sith Lord like 16 times, then suddenly decides to betray you and become the final boss. Who could have seen it coming
Kreia is a very good option for this list! My mind went to Bastila in KotOR, but of characters from KotOR, Kreia is a better pick. At least with Bastila you can get her back, although I always forget what the dialogue options are for it and I always play as a female so it's harder to convince her. And I guess if you go dark side yourself it's kind of a moot point. 🙃
(Also can't remember who was on the prior lists for this topic either lol)
Kreia is in one of the other videos on this topic. It literally says "part 3".
"neck romancer"
mike remains at the peak of his game.
A third part? Damn! Can't trust anyone these days.
I thought Mike coming back on to give us a commercial in the video was going to be another nice person turning evil bit, but it was an actual commercial! Betrayal!
I absolutely support the Neck Romancer joke. Nice job, Mike.
Not sure if it was brought up in the other two videos, but the 'child prince' in Diablo 3 was obviously Belial from his opening lines. The Lord of Lies being the worst at lying only getting as far as he does because Blizzard can only write when the player character is beyond stupid was very much on brand.
It is implied that your character figured out pretty early on the "Emperor Hakan" is actually Belial, and was just playing along. I mean, it IS pretty obvious, though Belial seems mildly surprised when you just casually call him by is real name. But then, the other villains aren' tmuch better - Azmodan is supposedly a master tactician, and everyone keeps telling you so, but all he does is keep popping up to tell you exactly what his plans are and where he'll be striking next. Instead of, you know, just attacking a weak spot without warning in order to actually have an effect before you have time to show up and stop him. But no, he's all like "Haha, you stopped my X, well, I have my Y instead!", "Oh, you think you're so clever destroying my Y? Well I still have my Z!". And then Diablo does basically the exact same thing in Act IV...but then he is part-Azmodan by that point, so maybe that's why :D.
Andy once again knocking it out of the water with the outfit. That is an exceptional hoodie and I am very jealous.
Yeah, Andy always has the best shirts and hoodies.
I will now have the PMD town music stuck in my head all weekend. Genuine thanks, because it’s such a bop.
I still can't believe that trusty old Patches betrays you. Every time. Sometimes more than once in a single game. Surely next time he'll have his stuff sorted out and be the upstanding pal I know he can be.
Precedes to sell you good stuff as a merchant.
The three of you were sooo good with the comedic timing of the facial expressions and body language, it was hilarious. Chef's kiss! Also "Putting the ass in Xardas'' lol Mike 😆
In my opinion, I think that Patches is more useful alive rather than dead because the things he sells as a merchant can be useful like Morgott's shackle. He also sometimes has a role in other character's questlines.
Yeah, but....
We really, REALLY want him dead.
I really felt it when Jane said “Agent Mike Noooo” 😂😂😂😂
I don't know if you've covered this in any previous videos yet, but... I genuinely was surprised that Big Smoke betrays you in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.
Why? Well, apart from the fact that he's the first of the Grovers you meet, is the only Grover who is actually glad to see you back (unless you count Kendl), and you team up with him during Just Business, one of the most fun missions (IMO) in the early stages of the game, it was because it never occurred to me that there might be TWO Grovers who would betray you.
I figured Sweet was going to get killed, leaving Carl the only surviving Johnson boy, after which Big Smoke and Carl would team up as the last two surviving OGs against Tenpenny, right after they blasted super-obvious traitor Ryder.
Yes, Big Smoke moved out of the Grove. But I always assumed that was because his mission were harder than Sweet's and Ryder's so they wanted you to tackle them later. And yes, Sweet mentions that "you and Smoke" killed Little Weasel even though, not only do you attack Glen Park and kill L.W. by yourself, there are no missions where you team up with Smoke and have to fight ANY Ballas, but I just assumed that was due to bad writing.
If you ever do a non-sarcastic list of betrayers, Big Smoke belongs on that one, and Ryder belongs on the next list of obvious ones.
Honestly, the only reason Patches still lives in my Demon's Souls game is because he sells the better moon grasses, and I need those to stay alive
I was really hoping Jane was going to get Arnold Parker's name wrong again after Andy corrected her.
Honestly, Patches should be exempt from any shady character list only because at this point if you believe him, thats on you.
I see you missed the sarcasm. Every NPC in this series is are incredibly obvious traitors. Hence the Patches entry.
@ghostderazgriz no I got that, it's more the fact that Patches has been in numerous lists that honestly we've hit bed rock..if you don't know who Patches is and what he does after years of top 7 lists then that's on you. No sarcasm was missed, but thus lists has been done by them before
It's not that I believe him, it's just that I'm curious where his shenanigans will lead and I like bringing a little ray of sunshine into his life. His laughter makes it all worthwhile
Next you guys should do the reverse. Villains who became unexpected allies.
Nice to see Alpha Protocol on a list. Also, "mole in a spy agency" is such a tired old trope. I wasn't the least bit surprised when Alex Pester or whoever turned out to be a traitor.
Adam Palmer
First hour of the game is giving Micah too much credit.
Wanted him dead from the moment he opened his mouth.
Glad you included Pokemon Mystery Dungeon on a list! Especially since I just started pkaying Explorers of Sky again myself (and discovered I could get achievements with RetroAchievements which was a pleasant surprise)
With Micah, the only question was how long he had been a Pinkerton informant. Was it since before the start of the game or after the gang returned from Guam.
I honestly think it was after they got back from Guarma.
I know people talk about the white costume while everyone else is dressed in darker outfits as though Milton and Ross would make the, "Don't shoot the guy in white," deal but they really have no reason to honour their side of it; they wouldn't keep him alive and Micah has enough low cunning to know that he's of no use to them after they get Dutch. The Pinkertons would see it as better to wipe out the entire VDL Gang and try to claim the significant bounty that would still be on Micah's head in Strawberry, if nothing else; Micah would know this too.
Plus... why would Micah even want to have the rest of the gang killed? Like all bullies, he hates being alone. Yes, he abuses those who he sees as lower on the totem pole than himself, but if he sees value in people then he very much keeps them around. He spends the game cosying up to Dutch before pulling his strings in the epilogue, he recruits new hired guns to the gang, and he fights alongside the VDL gang on many occasions, rather than just inflicting friendly fire in the middle of a shootout as he might do if he truly wanted to be rid of certain members of the gang. He's vain, cruel, and misanthropic - but he keeps people around if he sees a use for them and he hadn't finished with the VDL gang yet.
They tell you, in game, by even the Pinkertons, after they got back from Guama. However, the Pinkertons had an informant before him...who was it? Rockstar never hints nor even gives close to hints. So, it is an open question. And it wasnt O'Malley. They killed her off to mislead you. The reason I say there is another because they were setup before the start of the game. Rockstar never returns to that one though. Perhaps, if they do Red Dead Redemption 3, we shall find out.
@@StacieMMeier How much do the Pinkertons actually need an informant though? The only real reason we have to believe that the VDL gang is actually competent is because the story is told from Arthur's perspective. By analysing their track record, we see that the VDL gang are not all they're cracked up to be.
Moreover, Angelo Brontë kept his position in Saint Denis by pulling up the ladder behind him, owning politicians and police chiefs, making sure that the likes of the VDL gang didn't have a place in Saint Denis. Isn't a tip-off from him (or one of his toadies) in the way of, "These lowlife bank robbers have infiltrated my town and it is mutually beneficial to us for you to get rid of them," considerably more likely than Micah walking into a firefight with the Pinkertons and assuming he won't be double-crossed?
Cinder Carla from Armored Core 6. She keeps calling you "tourist" because you're trespassing on her territory, but she keeps opening doors for you. Why would you think there wouldn't be enemy mechs being deployed behind you? Or explosive canisters dangling above you? Or a super-sized mech with grinder arms as big as your own mech waiting for you on the other side?
Interesting we have ads in the middle of the perviously clean list videos, can't remember that happening in the past. Gamer Network's Q4 is really knocking on the door I guess. On the one hand we hope that our Oxbox pals are doing well, on the other we hope that we're not seeing another GAMURS Group style pressure on our favourite youtubers.
If Jane, Mike, Andy, Luke and Ellen are doing well out of it then we wish them well......... if not, my finger is hovering over the subscribe button of your new independant channel. Lots of love pals
@@SimuLord 1000%! I moved from being a RUclips sub to a Patreon sub because Andy mentioned early on when they launched it that it was "the best way" to sponsor OX. I don't know enough about how the revenue shakes down but I liked to think that meant they, rather than Google, got more of my subscription money.
Not sure how it all works out but as you say I'm really glad for Second Wind to be doing so well because they seem like a great bunch. I'd love love love to think that all our sub revenue was going in the pockets of the OX gang (including Johnny, James and Jon.) Who knows.
I know everyone says this but I was a very very early sub [insert my credentials here like the Xbox One hangover vid blah blah] but if they could do a Second Wind I'd be so so happy for them.
F around and find out 🐴
I don't know if or when this kicked in, but there is a new RUclips policy that you can't choose when ads happen anymore as a creator? Could be wrong though, have done no research.
Edit: never mind lol. Had not yet gotten to the sponsored portion of the video, thought you meant traditional ads
@@sarahgent2674 no need to apologise, I'm glad of your input. I don't know enough about the mechanics of this and I'm lucky to have RUclips Premium which most people don't so that extra ad point is interesting to hear. Thanks I hadn't thought about that too. I don't think this vid was marked as "sponsored."
I would also add to this in favour of the commercial pressures recently that Andy and Mike did that Black Friday steam which was just pure shopping of OX merch and highlighting the affiliate money the channel was making from other products.
As usual it was entirely watchable and fun from those lovely guys but to those who know the channel a change of gear pushing revenue generation. Thats not a criticism but maybe a sign. Again, just hope our friends at the channel are benefiting.
@@SimuLord oh yes sorry I absolutely wasn't complaining. Totally agree those videos are great and it doesn't bother me if they are sponsored, as I say I hope they are making a ton each. They've given me so so so much.
I am just interested that they have done two new money making things at the end of this year, quite close together. Good luck to them, I'm here for all their vids.
I straight up thought the "word from our sponsor" bit was gonna be a joke. Wasn't execting an actual sponsor read.
With a name like Malus, you really should have seen that one coming.
"we consider ourselves a good judge of character"
So that explains how Jane got hired
Went and watched Parts 1 and 2 from seven years ago, and it is incredible how consistent you three have been over the years
Patches calling you a "Scheming Thief" is one of the richest things I've heard in my life
And that's the only riches you'll have after meeting him.
Been in RDR 2 chapter 2 for months. Not having 'him' around is a blessing.
absolutely the best section of the game.
Lsyanderoth?!
YES IT WAS I. FOR YEARS MY MACHINATIONS LAY UNDETECTED
FOR I AM A MASTER OF DECEPTION
Couldn't you make Alan Parker switch to your side when you tell him you're chilling with his daughter Madison? Damn I need to replay alpha protocol
If I ever write a successful fantasy story, there's definitely going to be a character named "Evil Lord of Darkblood" or something like that who turns out to be the most loyal companion.
See also: Odin, Fire Emblem: Fates
If I was Dracula and I was waiting for the absolute perfect time to ambush the vampire hunter descended from a line that had beaten me time and time again. I would probably do it in the middle of a random maze. Not the end of the game where they are at their strongest, most skilled and loaded with equipment. I also wouldn't have transformed in front of him and given him a ton of time to prepare. Maybe thats why I'm not a powerful vampire lord. I also own shirts and wear them sometimes. Though I suppose if I had abs like that I would probably not wear shirts either
Personally, I prefer Browsers to be safe and functional without any annoying blinking bits...
Oh hey it’s the My Pillow guy.
@@Taragoola Would you believe me if I told you I've heard that one before?
@@Michael_Lindell I’m sure you get it every day, mate. I’m so sorry. I couldn’t not. Your original point is sound.
I am thinking of many characters from the Legacy of Kain series that could fit in this video. In the first game, Mortanius the Necromancer resurrects you as a vampire in order to defeat the circle and heal the land, guides you through the entire game... and shows himself to be the final boss at the end, operating at the command of a host of baddies that have taken up residence within him. Through many of the series' games, Moebius the Timestreamer is helping you from time to time, but obviously reveals he had been manipulating you all along. The Elder One, Raziel's master, is also manipulating him for his own purposes (and Moebius also, by the way).
What about Penelope from Sly Cooper thieves in time? She was once on the Cooper Gang's side in the 3rd game, but the twist in the 4th game of her turning on us still blows my mind
Poorly executed, wasn’t suspicious, and was basically the result of LeParadox’s scheme.
@@TylerTheShepherd Yeah. I agree that it was very poory executed. It was one of those twists that felt like it was just made to be a twist for the sake of it & shock factor
Patches actually does show up in Armored Core 6, or at least his broken mecha does. Once you find it, there's an audio log showing that he tried to trick the wrong group.
In Guild Wars 1 (Prophecies), there was an NPC named Vizier Khilbron who presents himself as one of your allies and the last survivor of an ancient kingdom that was wiped out. He needs us to go on a quest chain to find and give to him an all powerful scepter which he swears he'll use to help save the continent. Dude looks like a bad guy, sounds like a bad guy, and surprise surprise, it's revealed at the end that he was secretly a bad guy all along... and literally not a single player felt caught off guard by it. The only way any of us would've been surprised is if he HADN'T been a bad guy, and just had Jafar vibes for no reason...
1000% agree about needing to know what a 2 or 3 hour drive'll make my back feel like before buying a car.
I miss being young.
I have another character from assassin creed mirage when you play quest for makirah ( her name in arabic means foxy or cunning) at first you think you doing fetch quests in order for her to look beautiful and you get her boss office key but when mission done turns out you actually helped her kill one of her Opposition and framed another
I'm so happy someone, ANYONE, mentioned Alpha Protocol
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The ad felt like part of the video. Obviously Opera GX will one day betray us, and OutsideXbox was trying to give us a heads up about it.
It IS Chromium-based, so it’s really just a matter of time.
Alan Parker has the same voice actor as Raziel. Thats a plus in my book.
I never trusted dusknoir but another pokemon mystery dungeon character that should be trusted is muuna from mystery dungeon gates to infinity and nuzleaf from super mystery dungeon
Jane: "Are we sure this is suitable for kids?"
Me: Did Jane not watch any 80's kids movies as a child? The Neverending Story? The Goonies? The Secret of NIMH?
Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Road Runner, Yosemite Sam, Elmer Fudd, Popeye, etc., etc, etc…
In the literally-released-yesterday Warhammer 40K: Rogue Trader, the very first person you speak to is a shady spymaster named Kunrad Voigtvir. Everything about him from his voice, demeanor, and character portrait screams that he is going to betray you, and, surprise, he does within the first half hour of gameplay.
"Dad?" had me rolling
Whilst not necessarily a full betrayal, there’s just something about that Sea of Stars captain.
Lysanderoth should've been on this list
King Dragon sends his regards!
His machinations lay undetected for years, for he is a master of deception.
Those were the days...
This seems longer than most videos but I really liked the video and the length of the video. I can't imagine it was quick to edit.
It is. About 10 minutes longer than most of their content. Usually they only run for 10-15 minutes.
I don't think I've ever been fooled by Patches for real, but I've still done the things to interact with him. Love the guy, and at this point seeing him appear in a new FS game is like a warm blanket after a long tiring day; comforting.
oh alpha protocol. that belongs in the games locked to the ps360 era that deserve a remake. I loved that game, a kind of game we don't get anymore
Poor Patches, good friend Patches. Always gets bullied after being so friendly and helpful, always showing such great shortcuts and items
Rat God from Mad Rat Dead could potentially apply, considering how she shares the bright colour palette of the nightmare enemies, her very suspiciously sugary way of speaking and the one cutscene where it's implied that a group of street rats are lured into being eaten by a local cat because of her, which all ends up culminating in the reveal that she's actually just a clump of toxiplasmosis cells that've spent the whole game trying to get you eaten by a cat so she can continue living
As for good necromancers:
Necromancers in the style of Diablo or Garth Nix' s Abhorsen books are so fantastic
Malus also means hammer :P
It will never get on any OX list i bet, but in the first Guildwars game you are helped throughout the story by the only survivor of a lost kingdome of Orr, a man called Vizier Khilbron. He looks nice and saves your life a few times... till he does not need you anymore and it is revealed that he did die in the cataclysm that destroyed Orr (that he started himself...) and is now an Undead Lich that wants to rule the world with the help of his new Titan army you helped him to unleash, oh and he wants to kill you as well. He seemed such nice and trustworthy person at first (apart from all the undead he was summoning at will :)).
Yeah, they seem really adverse to Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2, which baffles me when they constantly show WoW content, and have even touched on FFIV a few times. There's so much GW2 content that could go on lists. They're really missing out.
Man, I only played GW a while before I quit. You're telling me there's an MMO with a plot twist? We don't get that nearly enough. Imagine something that that in a game like City of Heroes and the servers would probably still be on because people would never feel comfortable turning them off again.
Surprised Ikutsuki from Persona 3 didn’t make the list.
He was in the first one of those, I think.
As soon as Dusknoir came on the screen, I knew things were going to go wrong because of it... I just didn't know HOW wrong. Also figured Grovyle had at least good intentions because of that.
I'd go with Ryuzo from Ghost of Tsushima. He's an old friend of Jin's however that doesn't stop him from eventually turning on you to join the Mongels. He did it so that his men of the strawhat ronins are able to stay well fed since the Mongols are hoarding a lot of food, but still the betrayal did sting
Lenny the Lyre bird in Ty the Tasmanian Tiger! He’s a liar (ha! Get it?) throughout the entire level, you have to do the opposite of everything he says to progress, and yet there was some glimmer of hope when he says enter a room it won’t be an ambush and boss fight, very misplaced hope clearly
Zeno in Just Cause 3, the scientist who betrays General Di Ravello to join your cause and it later turns out is actually a double agent working for the general to feed him info about your rebellion.
I’d like to include the innocently-named Honest Tom from “Gun.” I’ll give you a wild guess as to whether or not he lives up to his name.
Also: KotOR II’s Kreia is a wonderful example of this too. Except instead of being “surprised” at the betrayal from a lady named *Darth Treya*, it’s more curiosity at what her next move will be. It’s a great version of this trope that doesn’t annoy you, but rather intrigues you.
There was a game called Death Gate from 1994 that had a rather obvious "bad guy" who tells the player to go do stuff for him so he can, I don't remember, save the worlds? Only it turns out that he just wanted you to collect items so he could, again, don't remember, rule the worlds?
What really sells the cold open is James, the resident car guy, telling us like we're the ignorant ones
24:09 What do you mean? Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky are totally kid friendly. In fact, I daresay that they're the most kid friendly games in the whole franchise.
Note that that's not even all the times Reinhardt has to be told. Between shirtless Dracula and even more shirtless Dracula another vampire hunter has to throw holy water on Malus just to make it truly sink in that it's not demonic possession, _Malus is just actual freaking Dracula, Reinhardt._
Is Micah really betrayal? From the moment I heard his voice I knew it was gonna be me or him. I failed missions because I killed him for being a freaking idiot. At no point did I think Micah and I even shared a side. If I had it my way he'd of stayed in that god damn jail.
In NG+, I was mid swing when Patches tried to give up, and ended up accidentally merc'd him because I was overleveled.
In Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia it turns out that the evil organization Dim Sun is secretly bankrolled by the CEO of Altru Inc, Blake Hall. Fooled me, despite him running an oil company, only wearing dark clothing, and how he constantly wears shades that make him look vaguely like Agent Smith.
And don't forget that his name sounds VERY much like "black hole". You know, something similar to Darkrai's Dark Void move?
I'm just pissed that Micah gets to die like a badass. Bro gets shots six times, walks for a bit, shrugs, then falls over. That's straight up main character death material.
Maybe we can consider Lorithea (Xenoblade Chronicles)? The Minister of Science in a weirdly scanty top piece, who speaks with a fairly creepy tone, two-times both Yumea and Melia, and is always being secretive alongside Alvis?
...Ah, but surely she couldn't be planning something horrific with her fellow High Entia. Right...?
"Having a sinister little giggle" I am stealing that
I laughed entirely too hard at that Arnold Palmer quip.
Same. Though I was sorta waiting for Jane to call him Alpha Protocol, too.
For once, I got a suggestion for a part 2:
Spoilers for Persona 5
Akechi.
The guy works with the prosecutor and the police to chase after you and your team, the Phantom Thieves, for months (in-game), even going on TV to say how much he despises you, only to suddenly change his mind and join you almost out of nowhere.
Considering the game doesn't even try to hide there would be a betrayal at some point, as it's revealed about 10 minutes into the game that someone will sell you out, anyone who can put 2 and 2 together will know what's coming.
Fortunately for Persona 5, Akechi being a traitor isn't the actual plot twist of that part of the game.
The real plot twist was that the Phantom Thieves actually saw it coming and had a plan to pretty much Reverse Uno the treason.
Now we need a list of 7 characters you thought were going to betray you, but didn't. Tachibana from Yakuza 0 and Machiavelli from Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood come to mind
Honestly impressive that Mikah walked a few steps after getting his junk annihilated like that
I mean, to be fair to Baby, ennard was just using her voice to lure you in, she herself can be interpreted to actually be protective of the player
13:38 "WHAT IS A MAN?!" *wineglass throwing intensifies*
Alan Parker was played by Michael Bell, a veteran voice actor who has done his share of both heroes and villains, with a voice like his, you have best be prepared for him to either help save the world (maybe eating some souls along the way) or stab you the back and lock you inside a maze within a building in New York
Never doubted Xardas from Ghotic II for a moment. He pulled this stunt already in Gothic I, when he studdied dark arts and became a public enemy number 1 just to save everybody...
I would like to submit another entry: Nuzleaf from Super Mystery Dungeon. I totally didn't see it coming! His Southern charm had me fooled XD