Pope rejects Ukraine’s Orthodox ban: Last week in the Church with John Allen Jr.

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  • Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024

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  • @annefalola9278
    @annefalola9278 20 дней назад +13

    Thank you John for giving a mention to Nigeria, by the way, it is the country with the highest number of practicing Catholics in proportion to the Catholic population.
    The problem is that the world - the west and sadly the Church has turned the blind eye for far too long on what was going on in Nigeria.
    It has been over a decade when we all knew that the military and the security outfit in the country was compromised with the infiltration of terrorists. Nigeria was 8 years under a Muslim extremist president (Buhari) who gave killer terrorists soft landing while the world looked on.
    We have been left helpless under a regime that condoned attacks on Churches and no global headlines came after that government.
    In fact, the truth is that the current government might be less extreme in religious terms, but the system has been long compromised. So let us see how this will end.
    Nigerians were very grateful to John Paul II whose second visit to Nigeria in 1998, we believe miraculously ended the Abacha regime only a few months after the Pope’s visit. We still believe in miracles😊 this time to cleanse our political class, so we can reorganize the system that has hijacked our military, police and security😢

    • @dvdortiz9031
      @dvdortiz9031 20 дней назад

      The Pope is not a political leader where the governments want him to fall. In that rap!

    • @annefalola9278
      @annefalola9278 20 дней назад +2

      @@dvdortiz9031 If visiting persecuted Catholics is Political then so be it!
      His presence is a spiritual support and his voice is a voice for the voiceless.
      Some of you simply live the illusion of the Church of the West, where your religious practices end with lovely Latin hymns and incense! Some of us have to face the real world of hatred and marginalization with a system that has been manipulated to keep some people in perpetual poverty and misery.
      Thanks

    • @sebastianfernandez3974
      @sebastianfernandez3974 20 дней назад

      @@annefalola9278 Thank you Anne for letting us know. Nigerian christians will be in may prayers. I hope the Nigerian Bishops can escalate the issue. If the Government doesn't invite the Pope a visit may be very difficult.

    • @johnfisher247
      @johnfisher247 14 дней назад

      Yes but there are many liturgical and doctrinal abuses growing there.

    • @annefalola9278
      @annefalola9278 13 дней назад

      @@johnfisher247 even if that is true, does that mean that millions of innocent and faithful Christians should be overlooked?
      I imagine abuses are going on in many places and they are not excluded because of that. We are CATHOLIC, we have to embrace our diversity, may we all be faithful in the essentials of our Holy Faith 🙏🏽🌹

  • @frederiquecouture3924
    @frederiquecouture3924 14 дней назад

    Merci pour votre endurance.

  • @arseniogarcia-hv6kf
    @arseniogarcia-hv6kf 18 дней назад

    tanx for bthe info and analysis

  • @Bluets023
    @Bluets023 20 дней назад +2

    Censorship is the child of fear , the father of ignorance and the weapon of tyrants .
    - Laurie Halse Anderson

  • @roddumlauf9241
    @roddumlauf9241 3 дня назад

    I'm so glad that Pope Francis is talking to us in the ACNA and will be continuing to talk to us in the Traditional Anglican Church (Church of England excluded because of their liberalism). Talks continue at the end of this month which could lead to full communion with Traditional/Conservative Anglo-Catholics bodies.

  • @user-rt5sy3zx3b
    @user-rt5sy3zx3b 20 дней назад +1

    I am still attending mass because I love the church with its traditions and spiritual message though I have many questions with respect Pope Francisco and the neo.catholic priests.

    • @JustADudeOnTheInternetSoChill
      @JustADudeOnTheInternetSoChill 17 дней назад +1

      If all you want from church is tradition and a spiritual message you will find no one does it better than the Orthodox Church. And they have the Eucharist too!

  • @dvosburg1966
    @dvosburg1966 20 дней назад +10

    I'm with the Ukrainians on this.

    • @roddumlauf9241
      @roddumlauf9241 3 дня назад

      I'm with the Orthodox Russian Church and Russia, for that matter, who oppose Ukraine's liberal gay and abortion agenda and apostate social policies. Why would you be with Ukraine when Ukraine is imprisoning priests for speaking the Gospel of our Lord ?

  • @Tybourne1991
    @Tybourne1991 15 дней назад

    Hi John,
    Thanks for always delivering such engaging and informative content with a friendly touch. Just a small suggestion-maybe drop the 'don't go anywhere' bit? It feels a bit dated and isn't really needed.
    Hope that’s okay to mention!

  • @Kitiwake
    @Kitiwake 19 дней назад +1

    At last the church is being even handed.

  • @marshalldarcy7423
    @marshalldarcy7423 20 дней назад +1

    We all should know that the Russian Orthodox priest that performed the funeral rite of Alexei Navalny was punished by the Orthodox Church and may go to jail.

    • @roddumlauf9241
      @roddumlauf9241 3 дня назад

      Reminds us of the religious intolerance of the Reformation Age and here in America where the Puritan's imprisoned Roman Catholics and Jews and hated the Ana-Baptists with a passion even unto death.

  • @Michael-OConnor1960
    @Michael-OConnor1960 20 дней назад +2

    I think if the Pope wants to help his health and I say this with Love. He needs to loose weight. That will ease his sciatica and knee pain.

    • @roddumlauf9241
      @roddumlauf9241 3 дня назад

      Thousands of Church leaders need to loose weight, especially Southern Baptist preachers who preach against smoking, drinking, gambling. doing pot and cussing, ...all the while eating too much at pot lucks and donuts at the men's morning Bible Studies. Yes, Pope Francis needs to loose weight and observe the Early Church disciple of fasting completely two days a week.....but have some compassion on Francis, everywhere he visits he encounters hospitality meals just like you and I who have friends and neighbors who want to take us to dinner. Have mercy in your "love" advice. You're young and he is old. Old people save fat more than younf whippers snappers like you.

  • @rodolfobracho8442
    @rodolfobracho8442 20 дней назад +2

    If everyone would keep in mind our Lord,'s saying, 'Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and to God what belongs to God. ' there would be no problem. No goverment, neither the Kremlin or Kiev should pressure any church.

    • @Jimboken1
      @Jimboken1 20 дней назад +1

      Not taking sides but Ukraine's government is arguing that the Lord's saying supports them.
      Argue why they're wrong or say nothing.

    • @rodolfobracho8442
      @rodolfobracho8442 20 дней назад +3

      ​@@Jimboken1 The Kremin aligning the Russian Church is wrong, Kiev outlawing the Russian Church in Ukraine is wrong. God bless and keep his true children close to his heart.

    • @oldernu1250
      @oldernu1250 20 дней назад

      Humbug.

    • @rodolfobracho8442
      @rodolfobracho8442 20 дней назад

      Thank you ​@@oldernu1250

    • @davido3026
      @davido3026 20 дней назад

      Zelenski obeys Biden

  • @KMF3
    @KMF3 20 дней назад +1

    No dialogue of the post conciliar age has born any fruit whatsoever

  • @vincentberg1069
    @vincentberg1069 20 дней назад +7

    Pope Francis has not been silent about the war in Ukraine. He has condemned this war and called for stopping it immediately. He has attempted a peace mission.
    Yet, it is broadly expected that the Pope of Rome should be acting first and foremost as the spiritual leader and teacher.
    Regrettably, I have to express my opinion that
    - Pope Francis, as the spiritual leader and teacher, has never publicly expressed his views about the Moscow Patriarchate's attempts to provide religious inspiration and justification not only for the war in Ukraine, but for the Russian authorities' nationalistic aggressive ideas of "spiritual" supremacy of Russia and its "holy" role in the modern world as a "defender" of Christianity and "traditional" values, "Russian world", and so on.
    - Pope Francis, as the spiritual leader and teacher, has never publicly offered his vision on the spiritual position of the Moscow’s Patriarch blessing a murderous war, elevating it to the status of a crusade and preaching presumed forgiveness of personal sins of all the Russian soldiers involved in this war.
    - Pope Francis, as the spiritual leader and teacher, has never publicly offered a spiritual teaching on the incompatibility of Christianity and nationalism as it specifically applies to the war in Ukraine and current nationalistic tendencies in the world.
    My belief is that it is vitally essential. From this perspective, it is hard to appreciate and accept the lack of Pope Francis' spiritual reaction to such a challenge and its replacement by a public stance regarding political aspects, in which the Pope Francis’ competence looks doubtful.
    Sincerely, bishop Vincent Berg.

    • @sebastianfernandez3974
      @sebastianfernandez3974 14 дней назад

      I think your points are very sensible, but I also think the Vatican diplomacy as well as the Pope have much more information than we have. In particular, the Pope is rather prone to adhere to the position of the Vatican diplomacy rather than opposing it.

  • @StepanDko
    @StepanDko День назад

    You have placed the wrong picture with sign "banned" because Ukrainian government banned not the Church of "metropolitan" Dumenko (who is on the picture), But Ukrainian Orthodox Church (head of this Church is Metropolitan Onufriy (Berezovsky)).

  • @Bluets023
    @Bluets023 20 дней назад +5

    How do you tell who,s telling the truth ? The ones trying to silence other people are the ones lying .

    • @carolynkimberly4021
      @carolynkimberly4021 20 дней назад

      Who are you to comment?

    • @KMF3
      @KMF3 20 дней назад +1

      ​@@carolynkimberly4021 what? Why can't someone make whatever comment they want?

    • @Bluets023
      @Bluets023 20 дней назад +1

      @@carolynkimberly4021a human being created by the almighty , that uses the discernment HE gave me .

    • @carolynkimberly4021
      @carolynkimberly4021 20 дней назад

      @@Bluets023 Not a Catholic! Thought so.

    • @Bluets023
      @Bluets023 20 дней назад

      @@carolynkimberly4021 LOL ! If being a cat is like you , nah ! Don,t want to be .

  • @nigelmansfield3011
    @nigelmansfield3011 20 дней назад +1

    I disagree with your thoughts on this matter.

  • @KMF3
    @KMF3 20 дней назад +6

    I wish we could say that Pope Francis was doing all of the evil things that he's doing because of his age and senility or some type of dementia but unfortunately that doesn't look to be the case.

    • @peterpluim7912
      @peterpluim7912 20 дней назад

      Evil things? Get real please. How could a pope stand up to China if he doesn’t defend religious freedom. The pope defends a principle,, the local church argues against the way another church implements that principle. There is not even a contradiction between the two viewpoints.

    • @dvdortiz9031
      @dvdortiz9031 20 дней назад +4

      It seems that you are very lucid and your stoopidity is very clear!!!
      No excuse for you!

    • @KMF3
      @KMF3 20 дней назад +3

      @@dvdortiz9031 lovely

    • @davido3026
      @davido3026 20 дней назад

      ​@KMF3,
      The stoopid doesn't know he is stoopid, that confirms he is!!

    • @joea8842
      @joea8842 19 дней назад +1

      "Evil"?

  • @MichaelCarroll-pv1mk
    @MichaelCarroll-pv1mk 20 дней назад +6

    This has nothing to do with the Pope or the Roman Catholic Church or Italy or anything but Ukraine integrity and sovereignty.

    • @dvdortiz9031
      @dvdortiz9031 20 дней назад

      Your stoopidity surpasses your
      ignorance.

    • @peterpluim7912
      @peterpluim7912 20 дней назад +2

      @@MichaelCarroll-pv1mkIt is difficult, not? Has China the right to prohibit certain religions? Did you agree when the communist regimes tried to suppress the Catholic Churches in Eastern Europe? The Catholic church at the time was actively agitating against the integrity and sovereignty of those countries. I think the pope handled this well. He defended the principle of religious freedom and he left it to the local bishops to apply that principle to their local circumstances. That has been the strategy of the Catholic church for centuries but it becomes increasingly difficult in a time when the distance between the principe and the application of the principle is visible for everyone.

    • @rimanm6934
      @rimanm6934 20 дней назад

      @@peterpluim7912 Russian Ortodox Church controlled by Kremlin FSB. It not Church it just dead shell wich controlled by atheist who try use religious feelings to trick people.
      Ukraine has other Church which also is Ortodox and they got Blessing by Constantinople Patriarch.

    • @davido3026
      @davido3026 20 дней назад

      How does God and his church alter, or attempt against the integrity and sovereignity of any countries?

    • @rjyahin05
      @rjyahin05 14 дней назад

      Isn’t a right of every person to worship the he wants to worship based on his full conscience?

  • @Juan-gl7cs
    @Juan-gl7cs 20 дней назад +6

    Most church going Catholics don’t really listen to Francis anymore

    • @annefalola9278
      @annefalola9278 20 дней назад +1

      @@Juan-gl7cs But
      there also many of us ardent Catholics who love him.
      It is the Catholic Church, there is room for all of us ❤️🌹

    • @Jimboken1
      @Jimboken1 20 дней назад +1

      @@annefalola9278 My experience would suggest most catholics in Australia certainly no longer pay much attention to him. There is little or no hatred.
      They used think him good-hearted if colloquial or coarse in his utterances.
      I think the majority are tired of him now without understanding the serious critiques. FS more than anything else made many finally give up on him.
      Both Archbishops in Brisbane and Melbourne are well liked and tried to preserve a few TLM in those cities but they've been forced to close the last few now.
      95% never went to TLM but surprisingly many are aware Pope Francis has taken it away and are puzzled by it.

    • @rjyahin05
      @rjyahin05 14 дней назад

      Hahaha wow.

  • @mayrafernandez7303
    @mayrafernandez7303 20 дней назад +1

    U are too think. Are you ok?

  • @GinoMorales358
    @GinoMorales358 20 дней назад +7

    God bless the Pope 🙏

  • @danielgaladza
    @danielgaladza 14 дней назад

    The complexity of the situation is illustrated by your erroneous graphic. The bishop behind the “banned” sign is Metropolitan Epiphany, not the one more directly affected by the law, Metropolitan Onuphry. We know what the simplistic headlines and soundbites say, but what does the law actually state?

  • @carolynkimberly4021
    @carolynkimberly4021 20 дней назад +11

    Bergoglio speaks more kindly of Muslims than he does faithful Catholics

    • @erikriza7165
      @erikriza7165 20 дней назад +5

      it certainly seems so. Sad to say.

    • @dvdortiz9031
      @dvdortiz9031 20 дней назад +4

      Obviously, you are not a Catholic!!!
      The Pope is doing an excellent job

    • @dvdortiz9031
      @dvdortiz9031 20 дней назад +1

      ​@@erikriza7165
      Do you at least pray for him and the clergy?

    • @carolynkimberly4021
      @carolynkimberly4021 20 дней назад +2

      @@dvdortiz9031 Say one thing that this Pope has done which is of benefit to the Church. "Excellent", my foot.

    • @roddumlauf9241
      @roddumlauf9241 20 дней назад

      @@erikriza7165 You have not been paying attention, Good grief.

  • @KMF3
    @KMF3 20 дней назад +8

    Pope says you can pray in whatever church you want as long as it's not a traditional Latin Mass church. 😢

    • @peterpluim7912
      @peterpluim7912 20 дней назад

      I loved the Tridentine Mass but we all saw how the mass was used by the likes of Burke, Müller and Kasper to create division in the church. What they clearly intended to do was a hostile takeover of the post Vatican II church and take it in a very traditionalist direction. I’m sorry but I don’t need my Catholic prelates in a cappa magna entering a church as if they are princes of the Middle Ages. That has nothing to do with beauty for God but everything with vanity of men.

    • @sebastianfernandez3974
      @sebastianfernandez3974 20 дней назад

      No. He calls to be conscient on the tridentine form of the Mass as something of another time, and therefore be regulated to be celebrated as an exception, and not be made a norm or an ideal which automatically deauthorises the current form. Of course you may pray in a tridentine mass. Please, don't twist his declarations.

    • @Jimboken1
      @Jimboken1 20 дней назад +2

      @@sebastianfernandez3974 Rubbish. He's banned it in all but name.

    • @sebastianfernandez3974
      @sebastianfernandez3974 20 дней назад

      @@Jimboken1 They are celebrated. For your rubbish: Starting with the diocese where I live, there are two chapels where it is celebrated monthly. I go there every now and then. Please stop lying.

    • @Jimboken1
      @Jimboken1 20 дней назад +2

      @@sebastianfernandez3974 They aren't celebrated in diocesan churches.
      We go to church halls.
      That's been forced on us just this last 2 years, The Archbishops and bishops have no choice but to close them down.
      Francis' argument was that a poll showed bishops asking for it which is a fabrication.
      Contrast that with Benedict's teaching and reasoning in Summorum Ponificum.
      Why do some people HAVE to interfere in other's' preferred liturgy?

  • @charlesurban3230
    @charlesurban3230 15 дней назад

    John...PLEASE stop invoking the "Love of God" for viewing the show. It's inappropriate and ceased to be cute fron day one

  • @johnfisher247
    @johnfisher247 20 дней назад +1

    Religious freedom is NOT supreme. In a majority Catholic country the government must give recognition to the fact and religious tolerance for other religions in degree to which they do not threaten social, political and moral stability...public peace and virtue. The Russian Orthodox in Ukraine do not accept the Ukrainian Orthodox Patriarchy as the Ecumenical Patriarch in Constantinople does. The Russian Orthdox Patriarchy was recognised by the Ecumenical Patriarch in Constantinople in the 17th century and has its status because of it. Moscow is a daughter Church of Kiev. The Moscow Patriarchy is a puppet of the Russian State and does favours for it in exchange for official sanction. This was so during the Soviet era too. 20,000 RO monks nuns and clergy were liquidated by the Soviets. The RO bishops and clergy were KGB plants. Patrirach Kiril was a KGB informer. In Ukraine the RO Church is a agent of Russia. It occupies churches confiscated by the Russians and exerts influence with spying. I think it right the RO be banned and the Ukrainian Orthdox replace the RO. Greek Catholics are those Orthdox dioceses who in the West Ukraine stayed in communion with Rome following the Council of Florence. They are spies for no one and are considered illegitimate by the RO.

  • @carolynkimberly4021
    @carolynkimberly4021 20 дней назад +1

    Why doesn't Francis visit Nigeria?

    • @Bluets023
      @Bluets023 20 дней назад

      @@carolynkimberly4021 Never mind Nigerian , go to California .

    • @peterpluim7912
      @peterpluim7912 20 дней назад +2

      Is there an official invite from the Nigerian government? That is the first public step.

    • @davido3026
      @davido3026 20 дней назад +1

      ​@@peterpluim7912yes, the pope is head of state, and he can not invite himself to any countries. His visit is diplomatic in nature

  • @Pindar39
    @Pindar39 20 дней назад +2

    Another expected apologia pro pontifice....journalism at its worst.

  • @KMF3
    @KMF3 20 дней назад +1

    I certainly hope the pope does not die anytime soon before he repents😢

    • @peterpluim7912
      @peterpluim7912 20 дней назад

      @@KMF3 Bit sanctimonious, not?

    • @KMF3
      @KMF3 20 дней назад +1

      @@peterpluim7912 not sure what you mean by that. How is it sanctimonious to not want somebody to die before they repent and go to hell.

    • @davido3026
      @davido3026 20 дней назад

      What sins do you accuse him of committing???
      What is your sentencing for him?

    • @davido3026
      @davido3026 20 дней назад

      ​@@KMF3so you are sending him directly to hell!!!

    • @KMF3
      @KMF3 20 дней назад

      @@davido3026 we choose hell by our actions