I am so glad that you found and solved the issue. During the entire video, I thought it was going be the Headlight that caused the problem. You sure did a good job with presenting this video.!
AngelFace! Thanks so much! It was really embarrassing at the time. It happened at a customer's place. First I bring his bike back to life, and then mine dies lol. Glad it's over now.
starting procedure , when u start the bike hold the start button about 2-3 seconds more After it starts , leave it to bmw to over complicate a thumper , what the 2-3 seconds does is resets the fuel injection , and if the battery has gone bad , everything goes bonkers , also it take about 10 second to clear so if one turns off the ignition switch and then turns it back on it doesn't reset , this drove me bonkers before I learned of this , stalling , cutting off and then coming back , if I stoped at a gas station I would have to wait for the engine to cool down cause pressure in the cylinder , I got in the habit of having a jumper battery , just in case , but the starting procedure, eliminated , my issues , ohh and if you don't do the procedure every time , it will get weird again , great bike , I've a 2009 , thank god for you tube
@@pb7379-j2k yup it was , however good luck if one has a older bike mine is 2009 , the recall if iam not mistaken was a software update , or a depression arm that opens up a valve so the piston can rotate , and can get past the pressure And was only for 2001 and later , the hot start problem also happens if one’s battery is not at a full charge I have the decompression arms But have found out that if one doesn’t stick to the starting procedure the fuel injection system goes a bit bonkers Stalling and such forth All in all I have one of those small jumper boxes that I Cary with me , and that has been a big help , I ride my g650gs. Every day between 20-60 miles and about a month back Had to get a new battery I also have a 2003 r1150gs Which is the opposite end of the spectrum I’ve had a 2014 f800gs which I absolutely loved, other then it was tall and on uneven ground was tricky if one had to stop quickly ,Iif I get another one I will lower it as at 6 foot tall I was up on tip toes and the 2014 f800 was the tallest bike Bmw made and I just felt with it , I’ve also had a 2011 f650 gs which I bought new , that one was a bit of a beast I buy build and sell, do almost all my own work , I follow every thing I can and I try to help and read the forums as much as I can , am I expert , no . But I love these bikes and these forums are full of like minded folks, I really can’t thank all enough. So I do my best to give back Thank all of you , for what you all give I like the gs’s adventure bikes
Thanks for the extra hold on starter button tip. Have a habit of just dabbing starter button and found that does not help my 2005 650 Dakar to start well. So already holding extra second on start button but your tip offers a justification for that. V useful 👌
You bet man! Just glad the manufacturer was cool, owned up to it, and sent out a new one. All's well that ends well, assuming it doesn't happen again lol
Subscribed. Bought a second hand 2012 g650gs sertao recently. All little tips and tricks,do's and don'ts concerning maintenance,parts,upgrades, accessories etc would be most welcome.
Thank you. I'll see what I can do. I thought about doing an oil change how-to video, but honestly I hate the oil change procedure on this motorcycle it's so dumb. If you've already done it, you know, and if you haven't, you'll see haha.
I'm not sure why I didn't get a notification? I'm glad you got it sorted and did a great job showing how to troubleshoot it. Keep up the great work and congrats on 11k subs!
Great little video .just a point my GS 650 Dakar I have gone back to lead acid the other battery especially non maintenance don't last long my lead acid every 1000 miles I check and always needs distilled water but at least I can maintain it and it lasts
Hahaha! Thanks. I do my best to bring you guys top tier special effects lol. The G650 is great. I'm currently getting a bunch of quotes to ship it to Italy to ride across the country!
@@YouMotorcycle most excellent!! I will do the same one day. but im also considering touring the world on my VanVan200. Also, I forgot to mention, I used your vids to convince myself to get the g650gs! have a great tim eon your trip. looking forward to seeing your travel vlogs! I personally like side mounted helmet cams, if youre taking input there ;))
I have an '06 650GS, I've never seen something like in the fuse box, but I will check them in the next days, just in case, what I did have was problems with a lithium battery back in the day, I returned to regular acid batts and never had a problem again. Lithium batteries don't like extreme cold or heat, and as it is mounted over the engine, it takes all the heat!
@@DiegoAstorga hmm, thanks for the warning, that's interesting. I did 2000+ km on this battery and it only died on a cool day (November). If something happens to the next lithium battery I'll know you were right!
My 4 year old EarthX just quit suddenly. No warranty of course so I split the case and took a look. Major corrosion on the battery controller board inside. I tried to clean and revive it but I was unsuccessful. Really enjoyed the extra cranking power but at twice the cost of a SLA battery it's back to a conventional Yuasa for now.
Dear Sir, I live in Australia and also have a 2014 BMW G650GS and I did swap out the original battery with a Lithium battery, I also bought a dedicated Lithium battery charger and also have the bike on trickle charge when I'm not using it, however I also have a Yamaha XT250 which also has a Lithium battery in it and recently I had to take it for a yearly compliance check for vehicle registration and guess what the Lithium battery WAS completely dead, even though I had that on a trickle charger also. I cannot remember if the Lithium battery in the Yamaha XT250 had the BMS system incorporated into the battery?, thankfully I still had the old lead acid battery ( also on a trickle charger ) that got me out of trouble I will be checking my fuse box on my BMW G650GS also for any corrosion! Safe Riding
Thank you , the brand of the Lithium battery that died in the Yamaha XT250 was a TDR LITHIUM-ION ultralite, model LFP-7, not sure if this a reputable brand or not?
@@YouMotorcycle that's why you test it with the leads still attached. Any battery might show good voltage disconnected. It's under load(headlights, starting, etc) where you see good or bad. 12 volts just means it's charged. A bad battery can be charged but unable to actually provide any current. It will sag waaay down.
I was listening to a guy that did 150 000km on his and had to repleace battery very often (after half a year from new) until he was told that because of the placement (above the engine) the heat caused a need for top ups with distilled water. And with the top ups the batteries lasted regular time. Hope it helps ;)
"If the level drops too low and the lead plates are exposed to air they deteriorate rapidly leading to battery failure. Regularly check electrolyte level and top up with de-ionised or distilled water when necessary"
I switched to a sealed battery on one of my G650GS, and I'm still using the (replacement) lithium battery on the other. So far so good! Saves some weight up high but honestly I can't say I actually feel the difference
For starters call EVERYWHERE. The company I've been with for 4 years wants $1k more for a Z900RS than a company I've never dealt with before, same coverage. Secondly I never have more than two bikes insured at once. Just too expensive for me. You can switch the coverage during the year and there shouldn't be any fee for that. Thirdly, make more money than I do if you want to insure a lot of bikes at once in Ontario lol
Different batteries have different charging profiles. Is your new battery still working well with the charging system? Are you still getting a 13.3 volt resting readout a year later? I've read that the wrong charging profile will shorten the life of the battery.
Thanks bro, you're the man! I was literally going to tweet you the picture after I finish making dinner (it's on my computer) haha. Yours is still the best review on this bike ruclips.net/video/EyqU6kSQxTU/видео.html
Lithium equivalents typically offer more CCA compared to the OEM parts. I like the lighter weight, especially considering the battery sits above the center of gravity on this bike.
I sure did! Being stranded in my customer's condo's underground parking lot and having to ask my customer to help me push my bike out so I could uber home, drive my truck back to his house, and rescue myself home sure wasn't fun. I'm just very grateful that the sudden failure happened in a parking lot and not on the highway...
That's a good point man. I don't know what that capacitor does or doesn't do or control, but once I got it home it wouldn't even take a charge or hold a charge anymore, so maybe the capacitor failure made something else in the battery go wrong. I don't know. Maybe old school heavy lead acid batteries aren't so bad after all.
Such Lithium battery killed my LED rear light and the voltage regulator with over-voltage. Afterwards I went back to lead batteries. The damage such battery can cause is much bigger than the benefits.
@@YouMotorcycle the voltage regulator had just been replaced. Also the battery showed over voltage. It may have been the voltage regulator but it's unlikely. Anyway, why take the risk and destroy expensive bike elektronics for a small weight saving? Traditional lead batteries will never develop such problem.
I have had endless problems with lithium batteries as a seller, simple answer....forget them ! An AGM battery is far more reliable and a damned sight cheaper.
Excellent learning experience! Bottom line: don’t spend the extra $100 on a lithium battery. The generic $70 units work just fine and don’t have itsy bitsy covid capacitors that drop dead out of nowhere.
Batteries are bitches. There are a lot of different technologies. Currently I'm running a AGM lead acid battery, which means that instead of just having liquid hydrochloric acid in the battery case, there is an fibrous glass mat in there sopping wet with acid, between the plates. So if it's tilted, acid doesn't run out. AGM = absorbed glass mat. So different battery technologies have different requirements. Since my charging system was set up for a lead acid battery, I didn't want to change the battery technology. A 12 volt lead acid battery charger should charge at around 14.5 volts, so that's what the charger is going to put out. but the battery itself should charge to about 13.6 volts, sitting there, waiting to do something. Then you turn the key and try to start it. If you have your meter on the battery, It should have enough capacity to start your engine. That means, it has to turn your engine over, while still having enough voltage to run the fuel injection, and electronic ignition systems. I can tell by the sound, if my GS is going to start. Turning over is one thing, having enough power to run all the systems which are needed to run the engine, is another. BTW, if your fuse block is corroded, it's not water tight. So fix that, and maybe put some silicone grease in there as well.
Thank you for the tip. I wonder if someone left it open once... hmm... As for the battery, I went with a lithium for the GS just because the battery is up high, I figured a little less weight up there wouldn't hurt. The poor bike already has to carry me, the missus on the back seat, and all our gear in the cases lol
Gee you added chinese made Gimcracks your charging system is NOT designed for, and surprise now your bike isn't reliable, and you live in fear. One word Optima AGM battery. well it's 3, but it's still the last word. AGM.
@@YouMotorcycle I think your old lead/acid unsealed battery blitzed your fuse block, that you added a lithium battery your bike isn't designed to charge ( higher charge voltage required) .. and god know how many other chinese variable you added to the mix. My point.. don;t dick with it.
I am so glad that you found and solved the issue.
During the entire video, I thought it was going be the Headlight that caused the problem.
You sure did a good job with presenting this video.!
AngelFace! Thanks so much! It was really embarrassing at the time. It happened at a customer's place. First I bring his bike back to life, and then mine dies lol. Glad it's over now.
Plus it costed you very little if anything to Fix 🙂 I didn't know Lithium Batteries are normally run higher then 12.7 Volts.
It was news to me too! 😂 I wanted to make this common knowledge so other people wouldn't waste time like I did to figure it out lol
Yeah I get that. You did a great video explaining everything & I like the twist in the plot, bcz it wasn't the Chinese Headlight after all.
starting procedure , when u start the bike hold the start button about 2-3 seconds more After it starts , leave it to bmw to over complicate a thumper , what the 2-3 seconds does is resets the fuel injection , and if the battery has gone bad , everything goes bonkers , also it take about 10 second to clear so if one turns off the ignition switch and then turns it back on it doesn't reset , this drove me bonkers before I learned of this , stalling , cutting off and then coming back , if I stoped at a gas station I would have to wait for the engine to cool down cause pressure in the cylinder , I got in the habit of having a jumper battery , just in case , but the starting procedure, eliminated , my issues , ohh and if you don't do the procedure every time , it will get weird again , great bike , I've a 2009 , thank god for you tube
Hey David, thanks for sharing. That's wild. I've never had to deal with that before. Hopefully I never will!
The hot start problem is a recall
@@pb7379-j2k yup it was , however good luck if one has a older bike mine is 2009 , the recall if iam not mistaken was a software update , or a depression arm that opens up a valve so the piston can rotate , and can get past the pressure
And was only for 2001 and later , the hot start problem also happens if one’s
battery is not at a full charge
I have the decompression arms
But have found out that if one doesn’t stick to the starting procedure the fuel injection system goes a bit bonkers
Stalling and such forth
All in all I have one of those small jumper boxes that I Cary with me , and that has been a big help ,
I ride my g650gs. Every day between 20-60 miles and about a month back
Had to get a new battery
I also have a 2003 r1150gs
Which is the opposite end of the spectrum
I’ve had a 2014 f800gs which I absolutely loved, other then it was tall and on uneven ground was tricky if one had to stop quickly ,Iif I get another one I will lower it as at 6 foot tall I was up on tip toes and the 2014 f800 was the tallest bike Bmw made and I just felt with it ,
I’ve also had a 2011 f650 gs which I bought new , that one was a bit of a beast
I buy build and sell, do almost all my own work , I follow every thing I can and I try to help and read the forums as much as I can , am I expert , no . But I love these bikes and these forums are full of like minded folks, I really can’t thank all enough. So I do my best to give back
Thank all of you , for what you all give
I like the gs’s adventure bikes
Thanks for the extra hold on starter button tip. Have a habit of just dabbing starter button and found that does not help my 2005 650 Dakar to start well. So already holding extra second on start button but your tip offers a justification for that. V useful 👌
Great lessons to learn, and thanks for sharing the process! Almost every day, there's something to be learned in life :D
You bet man! Just glad the manufacturer was cool, owned up to it, and sent out a new one. All's well that ends well, assuming it doesn't happen again lol
Subscribed. Bought a second hand 2012 g650gs sertao recently. All little tips and tricks,do's and don'ts concerning maintenance,parts,upgrades, accessories etc would be most welcome.
Thank you. I'll see what I can do. I thought about doing an oil change how-to video, but honestly I hate the oil change procedure on this motorcycle it's so dumb. If you've already done it, you know, and if you haven't, you'll see haha.
I'm not sure why I didn't get a notification? I'm glad you got it sorted and did a great job showing how to troubleshoot it. Keep up the great work and congrats on 11k subs!
Thanks brother! I had no idea 12.7 volts = dead when dealing with lithium batteries. Learned something new!
Great video and excellent find. As they say, better to check and be informed. thanks for sharing.
Thanks so much!
Great little video .just a point my GS 650 Dakar I have gone back to lead acid the other battery especially non maintenance don't last long my lead acid every 1000 miles I check and always needs distilled water but at least I can maintain it and it lasts
Thanks David. Its been really interesting seeing people share a lot of feedback about battery wear on this bike. Seems like quite a common thing.
lmao CGI is top tier. Also, glad to see the G650 is still going!
Hahaha! Thanks. I do my best to bring you guys top tier special effects lol. The G650 is great. I'm currently getting a bunch of quotes to ship it to Italy to ride across the country!
@@YouMotorcycle most excellent!! I will do the same one day. but im also considering touring the world on my VanVan200. Also, I forgot to mention, I used your vids to convince myself to get the g650gs! have a great tim eon your trip. looking forward to seeing your travel vlogs! I personally like side mounted helmet cams, if youre taking input there ;))
VanVan200 is a great option for that trip too!
Does anyone else have corrosion in their fuse box or know what's going on here? Please let me know! 👇
I have an '06 650GS, I've never seen something like in the fuse box, but I will check them in the next days, just in case, what I did have was problems with a lithium battery back in the day, I returned to regular acid batts and never had a problem again. Lithium batteries don't like extreme cold or heat, and as it is mounted over the engine, it takes all the heat!
@@DiegoAstorga hmm, thanks for the warning, that's interesting. I did 2000+ km on this battery and it only died on a cool day (November). If something happens to the next lithium battery I'll know you were right!
We all make mistakes. I'm sure they both appreciate each other in the end. That's how life fe goes....
Ain't that the truth! Happy new year!
My 4 year old EarthX just quit suddenly. No warranty of course so I split the case and took a look. Major corrosion on the battery controller board inside. I tried to clean and revive it but I was unsuccessful. Really enjoyed the extra cranking power but at twice the cost of a SLA battery it's back to a conventional Yuasa for now.
Oh man. That's not good news. Any warning signs along the way or just straight to failure?
@@YouMotorcycle Bike was hard to start a couple days prior then wouldn't even crank one morning. That was it.
@@darrenmurphy1046 at least you got some warning lol
Dear Sir, I live in Australia and also have a 2014 BMW G650GS and I did swap out the original battery with a Lithium battery, I also bought a dedicated Lithium battery charger and also have the bike on trickle charge when I'm not using it, however I also have a Yamaha XT250 which also has a Lithium battery in it and recently I had to take it for a yearly compliance check for vehicle registration and guess what the Lithium battery WAS completely dead, even though I had that on a trickle charger also.
I cannot remember if the Lithium battery in the Yamaha XT250 had the BMS system incorporated into the battery?, thankfully I still had the old lead acid battery ( also on a trickle charger ) that got me out of trouble
I will be checking my fuse box on my BMW G650GS also for any corrosion!
Safe Riding
It's weird that the lithium on the XT just died despite being on a charger. What brand name was it?
Thank you , the brand of the Lithium battery that died in the Yamaha XT250 was a TDR LITHIUM-ION ultralite, model LFP-7, not sure if this a reputable brand or not?
All of reddit would have told you "ITS THE BATTERY" right away. Paint peeling? Battery. No reverse gear? Battery.
😂 it was the 12.7 volts that threw me off
@@YouMotorcycle that's why you test it with the leads still attached. Any battery might show good voltage disconnected. It's under load(headlights, starting, etc) where you see good or bad. 12 volts just means it's charged. A bad battery can be charged but unable to actually provide any current. It will sag waaay down.
@@invisio yup, measured with the leads still connected, but the failed battery couldn't even get lights to come on or the dash to come on remember?
I was listening to a guy that did 150 000km on his and had to repleace battery very often (after half a year from new) until he was told that because of the placement (above the engine) the heat caused a need for top ups with distilled water. And with the top ups the batteries lasted regular time. Hope it helps ;)
"If the level drops too low and the lead plates are exposed to air they deteriorate rapidly leading to battery failure. Regularly check electrolyte level and top up with de-ionised or distilled water when necessary"
I switched to a sealed battery on one of my G650GS, and I'm still using the (replacement) lithium battery on the other. So far so good! Saves some weight up high but honestly I can't say I actually feel the difference
Do you have any tips for insuring multiple motorcycles? I notice you have quite a few and figure you might have some tips/tricks. Possible video idea?
For starters call EVERYWHERE. The company I've been with for 4 years wants $1k more for a Z900RS than a company I've never dealt with before, same coverage.
Secondly I never have more than two bikes insured at once. Just too expensive for me. You can switch the coverage during the year and there shouldn't be any fee for that.
Thirdly, make more money than I do if you want to insure a lot of bikes at once in Ontario lol
Different batteries have different charging profiles. Is your new battery still working well with the charging system? Are you still getting a 13.3 volt resting readout a year later? I've read that the wrong charging profile will shorten the life of the battery.
No problems with the replacement lithium battery or any of my lithium batteries.
you might get some rust around the fuze box just take the fuzes out and clean the contacts, yeah warm battery = bad. can explode
Thanks bro, you're the man! I was literally going to tweet you the picture after I finish making dinner (it's on my computer) haha. Yours is still the best review on this bike ruclips.net/video/EyqU6kSQxTU/видео.html
Where did you get your LED light?
Install video here: ruclips.net/video/EN77eHQC1V4/видео.html
Headlight here: ebay.us/lnhhoi
I’m not hearing of Lithium being used in a CA (cranking amps) and constant charge application. Why is this your choice?
Lithium equivalents typically offer more CCA compared to the OEM parts. I like the lighter weight, especially considering the battery sits above the center of gravity on this bike.
Earth X batteries had a bad batch that went out to customers...you had a bad one👍
I sure did! Being stranded in my customer's condo's underground parking lot and having to ask my customer to help me push my bike out so I could uber home, drive my truck back to his house, and rescue myself home sure wasn't fun. I'm just very grateful that the sudden failure happened in a parking lot and not on the highway...
Still odd that bike die at 12.7 you would thank it would keep running .
That's a good point man. I don't know what that capacitor does or doesn't do or control, but once I got it home it wouldn't even take a charge or hold a charge anymore, so maybe the capacitor failure made something else in the battery go wrong. I don't know. Maybe old school heavy lead acid batteries aren't so bad after all.
@@YouMotorcycle yep . I think about going to Lithium battery myself.
Nice video, can you please provide a link for the beautiful headlight? Have a great day!
Thank you. Here you go:
LED HEADLIGHT: ebay.us/lnhhoi
DRL Adapter: amzn.to/3DV7MWu
i subscribed because your close was good and you said to sub
I should watch it again and see what I did haha. Thanks very much! :)
Such Lithium battery killed my LED rear light and the voltage regulator with over-voltage. Afterwards I went back to lead batteries. The damage such battery can cause is much bigger than the benefits.
How do we know it was the battery that killed the LED?
@@YouMotorcycle the voltage regulator had just been replaced. Also the battery showed over voltage. It may have been the voltage regulator but it's unlikely. Anyway, why take the risk and destroy expensive bike elektronics for a small weight saving? Traditional lead batteries will never develop such problem.
I have had endless problems with lithium batteries as a seller, simple answer....forget them ! An AGM battery is far more reliable and a damned sight cheaper.
Very interesting feedback. Do you mind me asking what brand(s) you were selling, if you're willing to share?
@@YouMotorcycle Begins with Sho and ends in rai.
Congrats for a vry fair commet.
Thank you kindly
Excellent learning experience! Bottom line: don’t spend the extra $100 on a lithium battery. The generic $70 units work just fine and don’t have itsy bitsy covid capacitors that drop dead out of nowhere.
Currently using lithiums in two of the motorcycles I use most... Just not on the one I do my touring on
I had this issue on my g450 ! Hahaha
Really? A lithium battery component failing? Damn. What are the odds?
Batteries are bitches. There are a lot of different technologies. Currently I'm running a AGM lead acid battery, which means that instead of just having liquid hydrochloric acid in the battery case, there is an fibrous glass mat in there sopping wet with acid, between the plates. So if it's tilted, acid doesn't run out. AGM = absorbed glass mat. So different battery technologies have different requirements. Since my charging system was set up for a lead acid battery, I didn't want to change the battery technology. A 12 volt lead acid battery charger should charge at around 14.5 volts, so that's what the charger is going to put out. but the battery itself should charge to about 13.6 volts, sitting there, waiting to do something.
Then you turn the key and try to start it. If you have your meter on the battery, It should have enough capacity to start your engine. That means, it has to turn your engine over, while still having enough voltage to run the fuel injection, and electronic ignition systems. I can tell by the sound, if my GS is going to start. Turning over is one thing, having enough power to run all the systems which are needed to run the engine, is another.
BTW, if your fuse block is corroded, it's not water tight. So fix that, and maybe put some silicone grease in there as well.
Thank you for the tip. I wonder if someone left it open once... hmm... As for the battery, I went with a lithium for the GS just because the battery is up high, I figured a little less weight up there wouldn't hurt. The poor bike already has to carry me, the missus on the back seat, and all our gear in the cases lol
WD-40 on your fuse box
Will do, thanks!
So your gs didn’t “finally die” then 😂
No. But after exploring many options I figured out what finally killed it
Gee you added chinese made Gimcracks your charging system is NOT designed for, and surprise now your bike isn't reliable, and you live in fear. One word Optima AGM battery. well it's 3, but it's still the last word. AGM.
Gee you didn't watch very much of the video if you think the headlight was the problem....
@@YouMotorcycle I think your old lead/acid unsealed battery blitzed your fuse block, that you added a lithium battery your bike isn't designed to charge ( higher charge voltage required) .. and god know how many other chinese variable you added to the mix. My point.. don;t dick with it.