This video is full of half-truths and bad information. For example, the missile he showed at the end and purported to be equipped with "several" nuclear warheads was an old Titan II, which had a single, large warhead, and was withdrawn from service more than 30 years ago, in the 1980's. The Peacekeeper (MX) has been been withdrawn from service, and the remaining Minuteman III missiles have all been offloaded of their multiple warheads and now carry only 1 warhead each. These people need to check their facts before they adopt these pseudo-moralistic virtue signalling positions if they want to have any credibility; I can tolerate sanctimony if the signaler has a decent argument- if they don't, I have no patience for it.
Well he lied/mislead about the Arnold part, it's to study Fusion for creation of energy, and yes that is what a hydrogen bomb is but you use lasers to create electricity instead of a fission bomb to fuse hydrogen.
justin serra No he did not. The cover story is that NIF tries to develop inertial confinement fusion for energy production, while the reality is that the conditions at the time of implosion are the same as inside a hydrogen bomb when it lets go. Much cheaper to study and design advanced thermonuclear weapons using NIF's lasers than by trying to break in secret a signed international treaty.
Even if the NIF had nothing to do with nukes, the DoD people can come and ask for the results of their experiments whenever they want to. The datas collected in there will make their way to a wapon's lab anyways.
@@Eldooodarino The Department of Energy designs and produces weapons? Why? Seems rather strange, that a civilian agncy be given this responsibility. Even more so then, if DoE operates both NIF and weapon R&D the datas collected will make their way to a weapon's lab with less impediment than if they had to be shared between agencies.
The're just a bunch of fragmented software developers. What you want is the weapon or access to a Military facility. In this case, I bid you good luck and farewell 🥲
My take on the NW-building scientist was that a common trait would be patriotism. I'm not entirely convinced that that isn't the case, but it is really surprising to me that they should think they are ensuring peace down in those labs. And it really, really doesn't strike me as a savoury logic, especially not when put forth by people who you'd think would be able to pick up on the inherent absurdity. Perhaps if put on edge, it will become clear: We need nuclear weapons to prevent nuclear war. That's the logic of the statment. Insane.
That is sound logic. We need nuclear weapons to prevent nuclear war, precisely because other countries that do not like us have them. My uncle use to get picked on in school because he was small, so he decided to live in the weight room. After a year of eating brewers yeast and cartons of eggs and lifting weights every day, he was pretty big. He said "I wanted to be big enough that I didn't have to fight." And that worked out very well for him. Before he was large, he fought all the time because he was attacked all the time. After he got big, he never fought again. That is the exact same logic and we use it all the time.
What strikes me is the high proportion of religious people among nuclear weapons scientists. I know, this is quite a shady area, but numerous studies about religiosity among scientists are consistent with their findings, that only a small proportion of them are religious.
Jernej Jerin Yeah while the USA gets to destroy and steal the resources from entire countries that don't possess nuclear weapons (Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan).
There is no justification for nuclear weapons. (Not even for uranium ammunition.) This decoupling - annihilation at the push of a button - virtually, without being there oneself, without visible blood on the hands, should never have taken place! So millions can die and nobody feels responsible. The poor civilians in the two cities served as a playground, where two different bombs could be tested, and, as the main reason for the operation, to show the Soviet Union where the hammer hangs. Because the defeat of Japan was already certain. As if that were not enough, the alleged victors came into the country and examined the contaminated people like laboratory rats. There was no help. Thus they rejected any humanity from themselves. No people, only objects of investigation! Ergo, humanism has no value, geostrategy undermines everything else. Also a common sense, which enables us all in the everyday life to live together. Otherwise the bombs would not have fallen.
I get what you are saying about nuclear weapons nowadays, and although Japan was bound to lose, a full invasion would have taken more casualties from both sides. The two bombs dropped were justifiied.
There seems to be an attitude in the video and the comments of "but what are the scientists *real* motivations?" The motivations are simple and exactly what all of them say it is: peace. They are scientists. They rely on data, and the data for nuclear weapons says that such weapons have prevented major wars. Without such weapons, it is virtually impossible to imagine a scenario where World War 3 doesn't break out between the NATO and Warsaw Pact countries.
it's not his only point. if ww3 happens millions or tens of millions will die. if nuclear war happens (most likely mistakenly which it almost did 3 times that we KNOW off) hundreds of millions if not billions will die. The scientist say they think they are creating peaceful tools since if they couldnt live with themselves if they thought otherwise. so they cope/lie to themselves which is a natural behavior
That's all lies. If you know the history of nukes you know its fraught with many doomsday close calls. And its only a matter of time before they get used again, and then god save us all. More power to destroy the world doesnt prevent war. Nukes have already been used many times, and people killed from them both in testing and war. To be for them is lunacy.
This video is full of half-truths and bad information. For example, the missile he showed at the end and purported to be equipped with "several" nuclear warheads was an old Titan II, which had a single, large warhead, and was withdrawn from service more than 30 years ago, in the 1980's. The Peacekeeper (MX) has been been withdrawn from service, and the remaining Minuteman III missiles have all been offloaded of their multiple warheads and now carry only 1 warhead each.
These people need to check their facts before they adopt these pseudo-moralistic virtue signalling positions if they want to have any credibility; I can tolerate sanctimony if the signaler has a decent argument- if they don't, I have no patience for it.
Little detail such as that photo detears you from seeing the big picture?
Well he lied/mislead about the Arnold part, it's to study Fusion for creation of energy, and yes that is what a hydrogen bomb is but you use lasers to create electricity instead of a fission bomb to fuse hydrogen.
an intentional lie. I expect higher standards from Ted. this talk is a let down.
justin serra No he did not. The cover story is that NIF tries to develop inertial confinement fusion for energy production, while the reality is that the conditions at the time of implosion are the same as inside a hydrogen bomb when it lets go. Much cheaper to study and design advanced thermonuclear weapons using NIF's lasers than by trying to break in secret a signed international treaty.
Even if the NIF had nothing to do with nukes, the DoD people can come and ask for the results of their experiments whenever they want to. The datas collected in there will make their way to a wapon's lab anyways.
@@r.c.1881 DoD isn't involved in the design and production of nuclear weapons. That is the DOE's job.
@@Eldooodarino The Department of Energy designs and produces weapons? Why? Seems rather strange, that a civilian agncy be given this responsibility. Even more so then, if DoE operates both NIF and weapon R&D the datas collected will make their way to a weapon's lab with less impediment than if they had to be shared between agencies.
Wow ...... He had such an easy access to nuclear scientists and workers .
God save them from spies
spies are everywhere. They wouldn't have been telling him stuff that's classified.
The're just a bunch of fragmented software developers.
What you want is the weapon or access to a Military facility.
In this case, I bid you good luck and farewell 🥲
My take on the NW-building scientist was that a common trait would be patriotism. I'm not entirely convinced that that isn't the case, but it is really surprising to me that they should think they are ensuring peace down in those labs. And it really, really doesn't strike me as a savoury logic, especially not when put forth by people who you'd think would be able to pick up on the inherent absurdity. Perhaps if put on edge, it will become clear: We need nuclear weapons to prevent nuclear war. That's the logic of the statment. Insane.
That is sound logic. We need nuclear weapons to prevent nuclear war, precisely because other countries that do not like us have them. My uncle use to get picked on in school because he was small, so he decided to live in the weight room. After a year of eating brewers yeast and cartons of eggs and lifting weights every day, he was pretty big. He said "I wanted to be big enough that I didn't have to fight." And that worked out very well for him. Before he was large, he fought all the time because he was attacked all the time. After he got big, he never fought again. That is the exact same logic and we use it all the time.
"Prepare for doom." - Zobo the Clown
What strikes me is the high proportion of religious people among nuclear weapons scientists. I know, this is quite a shady area, but numerous studies about religiosity among scientists are consistent with their findings, that only a small proportion of them are religious.
I believe studies in the US put religiosity at around 64% christian
I absolutely agree and share the same belief, nuclear weapons are the ones responsible that there hasn't been a WW3 already.
Jernej Jerin Yeah while the USA gets to destroy and steal the resources from entire countries that don't possess nuclear weapons (Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan).
@@leodarksam6230 Liar. We didn't steal anything from them.
There is no justification for nuclear weapons. (Not even for uranium ammunition.) This decoupling - annihilation at the push of a button - virtually, without being there oneself, without visible blood on the hands, should never have taken place! So millions can die and nobody feels responsible. The poor civilians in the two cities served as a playground, where two different bombs could be tested, and, as the main reason for the operation, to show the Soviet Union where the hammer hangs. Because the defeat of Japan was already certain. As if that were not enough, the alleged victors came into the country and examined the contaminated people like laboratory rats. There was no help. Thus they rejected any humanity from themselves. No people, only objects of investigation! Ergo, humanism has no value, geostrategy undermines everything else. Also a common sense, which enables us all in the everyday life to live together. Otherwise the bombs would not have fallen.
I get what you are saying about nuclear weapons nowadays, and although Japan was bound to lose, a full invasion would have taken more casualties from both sides. The two bombs dropped were justifiied.
Thanks 👍
Nice Video
Watching this while playing fallout 4
That's a pretty passive-aggressive career... isn't it?
Nice video -- would be better with some sound.
There seems to be an attitude in the video and the comments of "but what are the scientists *real* motivations?" The motivations are simple and exactly what all of them say it is: peace. They are scientists. They rely on data, and the data for nuclear weapons says that such weapons have prevented major wars. Without such weapons, it is virtually impossible to imagine a scenario where World War 3 doesn't break out between the NATO and Warsaw Pact countries.
it's not his only point. if ww3 happens millions or tens of millions will die. if nuclear war happens (most likely mistakenly which it almost did 3 times that we KNOW off) hundreds of millions if not billions will die. The scientist say they think they are creating peaceful tools since if they couldnt live with themselves if they thought otherwise. so they cope/lie to themselves which is a natural behavior
That's all lies. If you know the history of nukes you know its fraught with many doomsday close calls. And its only a matter of time before they get used again, and then god save us all. More power to destroy the world doesnt prevent war. Nukes have already been used many times, and people killed from them both in testing and war. To be for them is lunacy.
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scientists in church?
Ted talks are jokes