1 Terran Grandmaster vs 7 Terran INSANE A.I. (WORLD RECORD)
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- Опубликовано: 23 сен 2022
- Figuring this strategy out was sick :D
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This basically is the most Wing of Liberty thing ever. A woefully outnumbered Terran fighting the entire empire basically. Jim Raynor is proud of you.
all in terran edition XD
*Nodding in Jim Raynor intensifies.*
This is the more accurate version of Media Blitz, the map even resembles it.
too bad jim doesnt use libs
"Hell. It's about time."
Now we need 2 Terran GMs vs 14 Terran Insane AI
uThermal's PC: Mr. uThermal, I don't feel so good.
Or 1 GM vs 7 serral
I think 2v14 is easier then 1v7😅 there is not 16 player map anyway
@@bcsa8079 There are several maps for 16 players. Non have been in the ladder rotation but a lot of 16 player free-for-alls have been part of community events throughout the history of the game.
@@JaharNarishma oh mb stop playing for a long time only watch vid
A note about the SCVs: the AI doesn't pull SCVs to get rid of them, they just go to your mineral patches if they are mined out themselves. This is because they have full vision of the map. The upside is that you know that at least some of the AIs are out of income, the downside is that they usually have a big bank. But they will actually replace the harvesters they lose.
they do, but only 1 base worth of SCVs
Aside from watching you dominate the AIs, I truly appreciate you sharing your thought process and approach to completing these challenges.
I definitely think armor upgrades are worth it. Not necessarily because they will prevent your units from dying, but because they will end up more than paying for themselves by reducing how much repairing you have to do. If your units take less damage you spend less money on repairs.
I calculated you were about 22 times more efficient in resources lost than your opponents combined.
Per the 44:06 stats, that is 441,109 enemy resources destroyed, divided by 17,484 own resources lost, for an efficiency of 25.23x.
1:21.23 units produced to units killed
29.29:1 kill to death
Every time someon says "This is impossible", uthermal rises to the challenge.
if you're correct about how the AI determines whether to attack based on map-hack + army value, that might be an additional reason to keep your army supply as low as possible to incentivize attacks. Perhaps if you're at 200 supply the AIs will attack more intermittently with larger waves. I wonder if it's army value or just strict supply.
Love your videos! This brings me back to my childhood playing 1v7c on BGH, rolling the dice hoping i get a "dumb zerg" that just builds two overlords and chills.
Lol at the last line
i remember doing that too lmao
At first it is based on timings depending on their build orders, the build orders themselves depending on positioning of your units/buildings and what they scout. I am pretty sure they always know what you have resource wise but that doesn't give them full information so they make choices depending on what they see building. Outside of specific timings they will attack if threatened/trying to punish you or needing to defend their base or base trade even. Upon max supply they tend to be much more aggressive.
thank you so much thermy for all of the quality content you consistently deliver
thank you for being an absolute madlad for us. good content as always.
The decision to keep your army slim is so smart. I could see this principle applied in late game pro play. Not an overall army count of course, but the army count required to defend some positions.
It actually is already applicable for overall army count in pro play. In grind it out macro games, where tempo doesn't win and it's going to come down to mining out, pro players tend to mass static D so that single quick game winning pushes are unlikely. And purposely not max out so they have flexibility to add the right units when situations change. And of course, refrain from committing fully to battles.
@@panner11 yeah the flexibility is a good point. Now that I think about it, something that pro protosses often do is to keep some army supply available for warp-in so they can reinforce some positions late game (against doom drop for example), or harass with the warp prism. But I never thought about this concept for terran.
Now i wanna watch a 4v4 where you and heromarine each team up with 3 random AI lol
Thats actually a dope idea 👌👌👌
I never knew i wanted this until now. XD
Incredible stuff! A minor point - an unsieged tank actually outranges a PF (without the range upgrade) and does more single target damage than one in siege mode. So if you just want to gun down the PF its better to leave your tanks unsieged.
Something else I thought of. I wonder if the other AIs would defend your neighbour if you reduced them to one building but refused to accept their surrender.
That's actually a really smart idea, if not accepting surrender still forced the enemy to try to help, you could get 4 bases of mining while also hopefully breaking up the enemy army.
@@kurzackd no I know what I said. I suggested to reduce one of the AIs to one building and see if the remaining AIs try to defend that building.
This is one of the most epic Starcraft videos I've ever watched. Incredible! It's like watching two heavyweight generals duking it out in an epic, all-out war.
Just incredible! Thank you for the great content! Congrats on that achievement!!!
Wow. This is really great. The commentary was as good as the game. So much explanation and detail. I loved it. Looking forward to the Protoss challenge and if it's impossible a video with one of your attempts. Would really like to see it. Keep up the great work. Thank you for the content.
Congrats! Vs protoss u might wanna consider adding like 4 5 ghost to emp. Its gonna be hard to keep them alive but maybe saving them with medivacs is an option since ais aren't the smartest. (What I know from the campaign ai is that they like to target healers so maybe disabling the healing ability for the medivacs works?)
might as well try throwing in a raven or two for aa missile seeing how well they did vs protoss in the raven/hellion
I think immortals might be the biggedt issue due to the sheer bulk, so some emps might work, but I feel like interference matrix on some high value stuff might help more.
Oh my god already?! This is why we love you Marc! Keep the amazing content coming!
Your talent, game knowledge and commentary is unbelievably wonderful. Big 👍 to you, keep it up ! :)
Absolutely insane! You're so cool. Love the analysis
Amazing video. It's so fun to watch this haha, can't wait for the Protoss version! I wonder though, if you got +3 Armor you would take less damage, and need to repair less, in addition to having tougher units.
Have you seen Heromarine's win of Terran vs. 7 randoms on insane AI? He used a more mixed fleet with battlecruisers to win.
it was because he couldn`t make counter to some race, he needed to beat 3 different races
Heromarine also got very lucky he only had 1 Terran and it was completely bugged out almost the entire match.
Heromarine got lucky.
It was not bugged out, the AI avoids the liberator zone, therefore sieging them was a good way to confuse the AI and mess with the pathfinding. ;)
Hi Marc, awesome video as always. One thing I guess would be very interesting is if you would make a video with your first attempts trying the challenge. Showing the mistakes, the things you discover while you are discovering them, similar to the GM challenges.
awesome perseverance and performance, keep the great work!
congratz, awesome to see how you figure it out and still hav the nerves to try protoss further =) , best of luck and i enjoy your channel a lot =) so thanks, for me you da kindest, sweetest SC 2 youtuber =) love it that u keep going here and raise you subs so fast , grateful greetings
Wow, this was amazing! 👏 You are literally insane, and I'm grateful for it! ☺️ Thank you!
I imagine this is what WOL could've been. Out matched, out-gunned, and against an enemy that does not relent.
Absolutely amazing!
Thanks for a very entertaining game!
Amazing video. Always inspiring me to learn and practice at StarCraft. Keep up the great content
Maybe against Protoss you need to have ghosts in the mix and constantly emp before a big fight.
tnx for the episode. definitely would love to see more. best worst tries as well plz.
That was HUGE. Congrats!!!
Congratulations!! and thanks for making such an effort to produce entertaining content, I thought it would be months before this came out!! P.S. PiG said you didn't complete the challenge because it wasn't random but maybe if 7 Protos proves too much of a headashe for now then it might actually be easier to do random so there are loss protos?
PiG also said he didn't complete the challenge because there was a time limit. The deadline was several months ago, during the subathon which introduced the challenge and the bounty for completion.
Regarding the units lost: you had a ratio of 441,109 : 17.484 wich is about 25.23 : 1!!!! That is, to me, surprisingly better then the vs Z ratio at 16.85 : 1 (that is 150%), but when you think about it the AI mined more in total and with the AI behind your choke still alive they came in smaller waves wich makes you lose less. On average you had a 3.6 : 1 Ratio per AI and 5.36 : 1 against the AI that lost the most. I think it is also cool that you can clearly see at 44:06 wich AI had a base mor than the others in resources lost.
It is great to see you still imporving and bringing great content to us! Keep it up!
STORYTIME!
rts games were my first computer games i played when i was like 5 and 6. although i played mostly warcraft and command and conquer. i never played against players.i was "too young" to play online lol.its really cool to see these challenges, it was mainly all i did when i was young. of course not at this level but its really cool to see you figuring out ways to beat them. thanks for all the effort you put into making your videos. cheers
Congratulations Marc! You're a legend
Congratulations man!
Very well played, Sir!
Very good. Thanks for bringing the value.👍✌️
Congrats on breaking another world record! Great vid. Looking forward to seeing Protoss. Im assuming 1v7 humans would be impossible right? Lol
Imagine all those drops... *shudders*
awesome strategy skills dude!
This is sooooooo awesome! just started watching your challenges roughly 2mos and made me want to play starcraft again! Looking forward to the 7AI protoss match! Keep em coming!
For the protoss, did you try ghost emp in combination with the wall ? + Raven armor shred ?
Otherwise you can try nukes ! Against 6 armies in a single choke point, they cannot fly away that fast, your nuke will necessarily land on some %age of their combined armies (which would be cost efficient). You just need to deal with their ways of detection. That would be very cool to watch !
If you circle them with nukes (ghosts in your walls + sneaky ghosts outside coming from behind your ennemies when they go torward the choke point) the IA will panick and not know where to go.
Easy to say hard to do but well.. it could be cool to watch !
I tried this against 7 hard IA and those traps were very cool to setup ! I don't have the skill to try it against higher difficulty IA tho.
(I know the ennemies have vision on your level of difficulty but you can still trap them !)
yea i would love to see more of these vids
That was beautiful! Really awesome to see someone do the ""ïmpossible". Thermy is that guy who did the 4 min mile and then people around the world started doing it.
@uThermal u mad man :D yesterday on your stream u toldme to check your yt today and here is the next crazy vs 7 insane game :D congratz ! Very nice play !
And for the 7 Protoss :
- Consider Ghosts , it would be hard to keep them alife and it cant be to many, but like 4-6 ghosts that when big chunks of toss try to enter the choke can drop an EMP should massivly impact.
- Raven may be another thing - same as with the ghost not to many just maybe 2-4 - if you can make good use of Interference Matrix on immortals (which should be the biggest problem in that describe crushing through you situations)
- Since protoss will impact with chargelots, the liberator/tank might do alot of damage but i feel like some of the chargelots will make it through what finally will make your tanks shoot each other. So maybe a small amount of Hellbat in front could change that. They are repair-able, and if you can spend the little gas for blue flame they might do a good job
I actually would be most worried about tempest + high templare in a big mix. Even if in theory you can rip the tempest using vicings, if the protoss randomly storms your vicing stack it might end it very fast. And tempest will otherway hardcounter your sieged position.
Gl anyway and looking forward to the Video :)!
Greetings @uThermal, I have completed all three challenges and let me just say, the key to success against protoss can be found in the phrase "nuclear launch detected".
But seriously godspeed, this is such amazing content and I can't wait to see what kind of delicious exploit you are able to cook up to combat the dreaded 1k supply a move protoss army.
Good job dude!
I love these videos its very satisfying to watch entire armies get shredded. I wanna see you do it with zerg so that we get a proper lurker blender at the choke.
This wouldn't work at all with zerg, you dont have the ranged splash damage necessary to survive the early game
Great fun. I used to like Beasty doing these simmilar challanges. Cant wait for the 7 protos.
Congrats!
Nicely done
I can’t believe you did this! Amazing!! Go marc!!
nice going dude
The takeaway I got from this was: "Now you may think something, but I tried that and it sucked."
Awesome win. Even if the Protoss turns out to be impossible, do you think you’ll post any of the attempts? I’m pretty sure if it’s as hard as you are saying, it’s going to take the AI derping a lot like when Heromarine played the 7 random AI and won. He was getting hundreds of kills when the Protoss was just running in circles at the bottom of ramps and stuff for no reason and the only Terran AI didn’t even make an appearance until the game was almost over so that was very helpful as well, not that it was Big Gabe’s fault lol. So I think for the Protoss challenge you’ll just need a little luck or to find some kind of bug but it would still be fun to see some of your closest attempts. Thank you for all the great content Sir!
Extraordinary skills! Amazing that you found a way to get them to feed themselves slowly through a choke point. I admit I still don't understand why the AI doesn't just send huge armies with diversified units.
I am so looking forward to "against 7 insane protoss" if that is even possible!
The only possible answer is luring them in, that might be attempting a wall off that you abandon, or something else!
Give it a try and see if something works. Regardless of if you win or lose i would love to see a video!
These are fun to watch
Great job thermal
I know this video is few days old now and it was excellent quality. You asked for any ideas that might help my only thought was using ravens with thier deploy turret to help bait the AI into your choke death zone so you dont loose any units next time.
You might be able to do the protoss run if you micro'd ghost EMPs as well as you did the vikings here. no shields and energy in the middle of their a-move would blunt the worst.
Absolutely fantastic work. your videos are excellent!
Now, I REALLY want to see 1v7 Toss!
epic skills, congrats! :)
Good job! By the way, I think a siege comp to GM would be fun! (Tanks and liberators only.) Don't know if it would be possible, but it would be interesting!
Well done makes me want to get back into playing sc2 again
Yeah, Protoss seems like a tough one. Maybe defensive nukes? Ebay blocks to keep out Zealots? A couple Ravens for auto turrets and disable? Maybe something silly like Hellbat Tank Ghost Viking Banshee. Siege on the high ground, snipe their detection, nuke the choke, and then clean up with the Banshees.
I also thought about a crazy tactic where you lift your buildings into the corner once you're mined out and go full sky Terran, so they can only use air units while you can eventually clean up everything else with Yamato (or Tempests if you eventually go Protoss), but that might be too silly to work.
I love the scv as 37:41 running in to attack the cc.
I want to see more of this content
Thank you for doing these AI challenges, I absolutely love them. Cheers
The mad lad. He really did it
Cool! Great job! 👍
Strange to watch a video without Marc's face, hope we see you next time!
And yes, interesting to see same challenge VS Protoss and VS Random! If VS Protoss it is not possible - should we complain on imbalance? )) But I very much believe you can do it!
This is insane!
Cool content as always. Now how about doing mass ghosts or something against 5-7 AIs?
Yes, I absolutely would like to see more content like this. I just wonder what might be next, now that all the races are done. 7 cheater AIs all set to rush? Seems impossible, but so did this one. ;)
that thumbnail looks lowkey how wings of liberty should have felt
Congrats on this accomplishment. I dip into Cheater 1 every once in a while and there is NO CHEESE ALLOWED! Always appreciated!
Holy shit. Already?
This type of challenge was my Jam in Sc1 lol. Fun to see in Sc2!
I wonder if you can leave a very small pathway with the liberators at your entrance, so the enemy thinks they can go through but they'll die to the tanks instead.
I feel like because the majority of protoss units have so much more health than their zerg or Terran counterparts, attack upgrades for seige tanks and libs would actually be much more important.
for real he's not lying about those Thors - I saw 4 of them one shot a BC and was blown away.
Simply amazing.
You are a legend!
That was awesome 😎, i know it's probably been said by others in the comments but i would not misuderestimates the power of the turrets upgrade AS WELL AS / AND STRUCTURE UPGRADE! You give you an incredible boost, if you would open early ebay.... with on all the work have done the turrets in this game it would give you such and edge also considerate that Ai's doesn't upgrade much😎😎🚀 GG! WAS an insane game!👻💪
Wow, just wow. Don't have a pc to play SC anymore. You're channel is filling my sc fix. Amazing.
wow you are LEGEND already :)
The reason the A.I. keeps an army in their base is it is waiting for SOMETHING to change so they can be effective.
As soon as the choke is gone and you move out it registers that your choke is empty and it tries assaulting again.
Until then it'll keep more than enough to wipe you hidden where you have to move to get to it.
It has Patience. And long-term planning.
Thanks!
@uthermal, how do you think, would it be more interesting if there were endless resources on bases? So you cannot just wait until bots run out of resources, but have to attack them. On the other side - you can invest as much as you need.
EMP shot is probably a necessity against protoss, it cripples archs/immos/HTs, but it's probably a nightmare to micro. Because of the sheer variety of army outputs they'll presumably send, it might not actually be possible without forcing builds or a very lucky match. Observers, carriers, voids, collossi - they have so many ways to retaliate against the high ground ghosts with EMP would love to abuse. They easily counter libs, often counter harass mineral lines with phoenix, destroy bio with aoe...
Honestly, victory over the protoss probably depends very heavily on what they build as a determining factor in your own build, and is going to require heavy simultaneous micro on multiple different small unit groups. But, aside from ghosts, probably don't build bio and you'll probably need all the mech
-How efficient do you play?
-Yes
Absolute legend Thermy 💪🏼
Another total banger.
Can't wait to see vs 7 Protoss!
pro-gamers: this cannot be done.
Marc: have you tried science? 🤔
Holy sh+t you actually done it, it has been done!
Wow! This challenge turns out to require some counter-intuitive brilliance -- the kind only UThermal can come up with: don't upgrade and don't max out. Win. Crazy.
EMP seems the play against Protoss.
1) Regenerates costing nothing to use.
2) Drops the HP pool of all units effected.
3) Removed Immortal damage mitigation and destroys the Archons.
The only thing I could even fathom to improve this is a single dropship. There are times that you could have utilized it's ability to move SCV, Thors. That said, every 1% a dropship heals an SCV will be a step to compensate the 100 minerals it took to create the dropship. As well as the situations where you want to move a tank or destroy a turret. There is the fact that an SCV used to repair a dropship from inside. I don't know if that's the case anymore (could have been patched out) but still an interesting idea to consider.