Thanks for all of the useful information. I've been looking at these two packs in comparison with one other pack. The dry bag information was just a bonus. I've been in the market for a dry bag and this seems perfect if I get the frost river.
I would recommend watching my other Frost River pack video before purchasing a Frost River bag. There were some quality issues with each bag, and sadly the folks at Frost River seem to not care one bit. I'm thinking the "Trendy" traditional canvas pack craze may have gone to their heads a bit.
+WisconsinEric i own a granite gear immersion..i think the new model has different name but same pack..waterproof portage pack..i liked it so much i got another..so i have 2 immersions and use them rafting all the time..they are great..removable waist pack..4000 + cubic inches of space..and granite gear has always had lifetime waranty on thier products..made in MN and phillipines..yes they do outsourse but they are a great company started in two harbors.. my mom used to work in design and i started getting theier packsfrom her for presents an such and i ended up getting rid of all my other brand pack and replacing them with granite gear..the quality is top notch..customer service is top notch.. they stand behind their products. my mom went on to work for Ares Armour in Oceanside CA..but i still but granite gear products as i trust them in any situation..they are Alaska tested ive lived here now for over 10 years..i own 2 immersions, 1 chilaca, 1 jalepeno, 1habenaro, and the alpine vapor ..these are all older models now they been renamed and updated..but ive had all of them for years and years and no issues in any of them..
matanuska high That is great to know, I believe the local canoe shop(Rutabaga) carries Granite Gear, and they only carry gear they use and recommend. I will have to check them out. Thanks again, reports from long time users are most valuable.
Hi, do you use those for mataining the shape of your bag ? If not, what do you use for maintainging a nice shape like that on the big Isle royal ? thanks !
11OCT18 I bought the Royale Junior pack about a year ago, after purchasing the Royale and the Royale Mini. Nearly $1200 all told for these three packs. As I was prepping the Junior for serious use the canvas flap tore under my fingers just opening the flap. When I called to arrange a return I got the run-around. At no time did this company say anything remotely resembling, "Oh, sorry to hear that. Send it in and we'll get you sorted." I had to ship the pack to them at my cost, and although I was assured I would be reimbursed for the shipping costs, I was not compensated for the return shipping. Not only did Frostriver decline to repair what was obviously rotten canvas, they also blamed me for the damage, saying that because I modified the pack by removing the Frostriver leather patch on the flap and removing the stitching from the map pocket inside on the flap, I caused the tear. As if removing some thread affected the quality of the canvas. Frostriver also thought it intelligent to close their letter of refusal with the following gem: "apologies that we will not see eye-to-eye on this, but we just may not be the right fit for you." This pearl was signed "sincerely" by Stephanie Anderson. At what price-point can you reliably trust you are purchasing a quality item backed by a good warranty? I have made many purchases from Frostriver other than packs. How can you trust a company that refuses to repair or replace poor materials and workmanship? I had yet to even take the Junior into the field, in fact never got it out of the house. Now I'm glad I never got the chance as I have no idea what might fail next. I will never make another purchase from this terrible company again. Poor customer service is one issue, but poorly crafted gear and a refusal to have any honor whatsoever is a whole different thing. Add to that Ms Anderson’s attempt to blame the consumer and excuse poor quality and the result is the loss of customers. Steer well clear of this company. Your hard-earned money is much better spent with a company that recognizes the value of repeat customers and the difficulty many have in financing Frostriver purchases. They appear to offer quality and good warranties, but the truth is they offer neither. I have no alternative vendor to recommend, but literally anyone else would be better. Go with a company that appreciates your custom, not one like Frostriver only interested in fleecing the very people keeping their lights on.
Most uncomfortable over price pack you can buy. Try loading one up and walk a few miles. I'll take a modern frame pack any day of the week. Many people buy into the "Bush-craft" hype.
Almost everybody mods these packs. They add interior support or external frames like Alice packs. Most things aren't ready right out the box. We know it takes a bit of modification to make things work best
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Just ordered the same dry bag for my Frost River Isles Royal Jr. Expecting it by Sunday.
Thank's for posting the video, it was very informative.
Hello from NW Wisconsin(Barron Cty) I like them packs and the use of a dry is great - pvc is nasty stuff when it comes to offgassing..!
I really like those ILBE dry bags. I need to find a couple of those!
+Coyote Works These ILBE dry bags kick a$$! 100% USA Made too, as are all SealLine brand dry bags.
Thanks for watching/commenting!
Did frost River ever fix your pack with the soft strap and missed hole?
Thanks for all of the useful information. I've been looking at these two packs in comparison with one other pack. The dry bag information was just a bonus. I've been in the market for a dry bag and this seems perfect if I get the frost river.
I would recommend watching my other Frost River pack video before purchasing a Frost River bag. There were some quality issues with each bag, and sadly the folks at Frost River seem to not care one bit.
I'm thinking the "Trendy" traditional canvas pack craze may have gone to their heads a bit.
+WisconsinEric i own a granite gear immersion..i think the new model has different name but same pack..waterproof portage pack..i liked it so much i got another..so i have 2 immersions and use them rafting all the time..they are great..removable waist pack..4000 + cubic inches of space..and granite gear has always had lifetime waranty on thier products..made in MN and phillipines..yes they do outsourse but they are a great company started in two harbors.. my mom used to work in design and i started getting theier packsfrom her for presents an such and i ended up getting rid of all my other brand pack and replacing them with granite gear..the quality is top notch..customer service is top notch.. they stand behind their products. my mom went on to work for Ares Armour in Oceanside CA..but i still but granite gear products as i trust them in any situation..they are Alaska tested ive lived here now for over 10 years..i own 2 immersions, 1 chilaca, 1 jalepeno, 1habenaro, and the alpine vapor ..these are all older models now they been renamed and updated..but ive had all of them for years and years and no issues in any of them..
matanuska high
That is great to know, I believe the local canoe shop(Rutabaga) carries Granite Gear, and they only carry gear they use and recommend.
I will have to check them out. Thanks again, reports from long time users are most valuable.
Great info on the dry bag! Thanks!
Hi, do you use those for mataining the shape of your bag ? If not, what do you use for maintainging a nice shape like that on the big Isle royal ? thanks !
your liner gos into the current issue marine corps ruck or ilbe large
11OCT18
I bought the Royale Junior pack about a year ago, after purchasing the Royale and the Royale Mini. Nearly $1200 all told for these three packs. As I was prepping the Junior for serious use the canvas flap tore under my fingers just opening the flap. When I called to arrange a return I got the run-around. At no time did this company say anything remotely resembling, "Oh, sorry to hear that. Send it in and we'll get you sorted." I had to ship the pack to them at my cost, and although I was assured I would be reimbursed for the shipping costs, I was not compensated for the return shipping.
Not only did Frostriver decline to repair what was obviously rotten canvas, they also blamed me for the damage, saying that because I modified the pack by removing the Frostriver leather patch on the flap and removing the stitching from the map pocket inside on the flap, I caused the tear. As if removing some thread affected the quality of the canvas. Frostriver also thought it intelligent to close their letter of refusal with the following gem: "apologies that we will not see eye-to-eye on this, but we just may not be the right fit for you." This pearl was signed "sincerely" by Stephanie Anderson.
At what price-point can you reliably trust you are purchasing a quality item backed by a good warranty? I have made many purchases from Frostriver other than packs. How can you trust a company that refuses to repair or replace poor materials and workmanship? I had yet to even take the Junior into the field, in fact never got it out of the house. Now I'm glad I never got the chance as I have no idea what might fail next.
I will never make another purchase from this terrible company again. Poor customer service is one issue, but poorly crafted gear and a refusal to have any honor whatsoever is a whole different thing. Add to that Ms Anderson’s attempt to blame the consumer and excuse poor quality and the result is the loss of customers. Steer well clear of this company. Your hard-earned money is much better spent with a company that recognizes the value of repeat customers and the difficulty many have in financing Frostriver purchases. They appear to offer quality and good warranties, but the truth is they offer neither. I have no alternative vendor to recommend, but literally anyone else would be better. Go with a company that appreciates your custom, not one like Frostriver only interested in fleecing the very people keeping their lights on.
Most uncomfortable over price pack you can buy. Try loading one up and walk a few miles. I'll take a modern frame pack any day of the week. Many people buy into the "Bush-craft" hype.
+Vincent Federico I agree, I have a $90 Kelty Redwing that carries far better on the trail. These are canoe packs.
are you a man or a mouse? feel the pain & enjoy it.
I have this pack and love it.. no discomfort what so ever. For me comfort is all about how you load it.
Almost everybody mods these packs. They add interior support or external frames like Alice packs. Most things aren't ready right out the box. We know it takes a bit of modification to make things work best