I umpire and that’s a tough one. You can’t obstruct the base path if you don’t have the ball. However a runner has 3 feet of room on each side of the white line to run. I’d call safe for the judgement that the runner attempted to avoid a collision with the pitcher or first baseman even though he didn’t have the ball. You can’t obstruct a base path without the ball in your possession. All that being said if the first baseman or pitcher had the ball a second or so earlier and the runner did the same thing I’d call out. Edit thanks for all the upvotes and comments. For reference I’ve been umpiring for 9 years im 23 years old and I do 8-12 games a week from March-September. I do little league/travel teams/highschool/men’s baseball. However I’ve noticed a clear trend. Those who agree are either coaches/players or other umpires. Those who argue are either boomers or young people who have no idea what they’re talking about. It’s really entertaining to read them.
I would disagree. I am a catcher and I know that once you step out of the baseline (touching the green) means he is out of the baseline which means he’s out.
@G-coder the line in the dirt is not the baseline. The baseline is established when the defensive player has the ball and a tag is being attempted. He veered before the catcher had the ball to avoid contact.
Pitcher is in the wrong spot to begin with. The shoulder turn on the runner says it all. He's out, runners need to learn to attack the ball-less player to get the obstruction call or knock it loose and keep advancing the runners. Mr umpire, owes either team a call down the road.
@@G-coderthat differs when it’s home bc when you take a lead it’s on the grass same with first u hit outside corner or if ur rounding u go into the grass alot
Doesn’t matter though. The runner makes his own baseline until a tag is being attempted. Once the tag is being attempted, a straight line is drawn from the runner to home plate. At that point he can veer another 3 feet outside that line. Because he started getting wide before the pitcher had the ball, made it to where he’s safe.
@@VoidiumTheEye it doesn’t matter when the pitcher had the ball. You have to look at where the runner is when a tag attempt was made. At that point you draw a straight line to the plate and he can’t go more than 3 feet outside that line. He started moving way before the tag attempt was started.
@@TeamBazz No way..... Any umpire that wouldn't call that kid out of the baseline is crazy. You aren't able to get your protractor and tape measure out to determine out of the baseline. He's clearly way out.
Yeah that was safe, could easily argue trying to avoid a collision cause by the time he was to the side of the fielder, he didn’t even have the ball yet
His baseline is established when the tag attempt occurs. At that point he is almost past the fielder and runs in a straight line to the base as required.
I’m not an umpire, but the way I understand it is that there is no base path until the player catches the ball in front of the base runner. At that point the base path is a straight line between the base runner (where ever he is at) and the next base. He is allowed a 3 foot deviation to either side.
@@MP5.. Seriously? The pitcher practically follows the catcher to third. The catcher may have thrown it too soon, but it wasn't the worst part of the play, nor why an out wasn't recorded.
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@@MP5..he did but all the advantage was still with the fielding team. The pitcher went to no man’s land and for some reason the 3rd baseman threw to him. Looks like 1st baseman was covering home. At least throw to him.
When a runner is caught between bases and fielders have the runner in a pickle (a rundown), each time the fielders exchange the ball and the runner reverses direction, the runner has created a new base path . Each time you have this reversal you have a new base path because you have a new fielder attempting to make a tag (and therefore a new "straight line to the base"), and so you have to adjust your view of the base path accordingly. (On a side note, obstruction also comes into play in this scenario.)
Exactly! Also the baseline doesn't exist until an attempt to tag the runner has been made. Until that point the runner is basically free to move however he pleases, but as soon as an attempt to tag him has been made he has to run towards the bag with only 3 ft of wiggle room. The runner moved correct but that was before the pitcher attempted a tag on him. From there he did not leave the established baseline
@@kennethwise6509you're half right. The baseline doesn't exist until an attempt to tag the runner has been made. Until that point the runner is basically free to move however he pleases, but as soon as an attempt to tag him has been made he has to run towards the bag with only 3 ft of wiggle room. The runner moved correct but that was before the pitcher attempted a tag on him. From there he did not leave the established baseline, hence he's safe
@Luke christopher can't block line without the ball. Runner is safe. Back before baseball turned soft pitcher would been ran through before catching the ball.
Exactly! The baseline doesn't exist until an attempted tag is made on the runner and even then they have 3 ft of wiggle room on either side. He did not deviate from his path towards home once the baseline was established
@@rachelneagle8349 the rule also says that the baseline doesn't exist until an attempted tag has been made and stops existing when a person loses possession of the ball. His movement was before the pitcher caught the ball and after the 3rd baseman release the ball, hence the baseline did not exist at that point. Your thinking of the foul line. Also the baseline that is created is a straight line between where the runner is at that point and the base they are attempting to reach
@@rachelneagle8349 the white line is in the baseline it is the foul line. The baseline doesn't exist until an attempted tag has been made and stops existing when the player with the ball either loses it or throws it. The runners movement happened before the pitcher got the ball to attempt to tag and after the third baseman released in hence it didn't exist at that point. Once an attempt to tag has been made the baseline existed and that baseline was a direct path between the runner and the base he was trying to attempt to reach. And from the point of it existing he did not leave the baseline
The base path is defined in Rule 5.09(b)(1): "A runner's base path is established when the tag attempt occurs and is a straight line from the runner to the base he is attempting to reach safely." The wording is important. The base path is established (created) "when the tag attempt occurs." in other words, until there is a tag attempt, there is no base path. And then this: The base runner is out if "running more than three feet away from the baseline to avoid being tagged." At the moment the base path is established (when the tag is attempted), the runner cannot veer more than three feet to the left or right of the base path for the purpose of avoiding a tag. It's important that a base path only exists when a fielder is attempting to make a tag. At all other times there is no base path (no such thing) and in fact the runner is free (at his peril) to run pretty much anywhere he wishes. There are limits to this (see Rule 5.09(b)(10) regarding "making a travesty of the game"); however, the central point remains: the base runner creates his own base path.
@@Denali_Rebelhe’s safe because at the point where the fielder attempted to make a tag, the runner was about a foot and a half into the green grass. The runner remained in the same area going directly to home plate. The runner didn’t travel further away in any direction from the base path created at the tag attempt.
"The only time that a baseline must be determined is when a defensive player tries to tag out a runner. At that point, the baseline becomes an imaginary straight line between the runner's current location and the base that he or she is trying to reach" Also, "Once a play is being made on him, he has three feet leeway to legally avoid a tag."
Pause the video when the fielder who attempts the tag catches the ball to see where that 3 feet starts. The runner changes course before then, making it seem he strayed farther from the basepath than he actually did
For all the folks saying 3 feet make sure you keep that same energy when you see the next baserunning take a wide rounding turn from first and headed to second. The base path is created by the base runner.... The ump has to be in a better position
30-year umpire veteran here. No. A baseline is established when there is a tag attempt. From the moment of the (horrible) tag attempt, he was already in that position. No call. Safe at home.
Correct. There's a difference between a baseline (Set by rule) and basepath (Established by the runner). The title of this video is misleading as it uses the wrong word for this situation. The answer to the question at the top of the clip is yes, but that's not the question at hand, which is if the runner is out of the basepath, which is no.
Would you not consider the baseline established when he started moving to avoid the tag that was coming even though the player didn’t have the ball yet?
@Johnny C Fair question. Let me start by saying that the baseLINE is set-in-stone by rule, being the 90' lines between bases. The term I believe you were looking for was basePATH. In a play such as this, the basepath is established as a straight line from the runner to the base he is headed toward, from the moment the attempt to tag begins. While the ball was being thrown to the fielder, the runner was actually required to avoid the fielder fielding the baseball, which in this case dictated that he leave the baseline as the fielder was in it, otherwise the runner would be called out for interference. The tag attempt began while the runner was avoiding the fielder, so the runner's basepath was established while the runner was outside the baseline, but that is irrelevant here as it is the basepath that matters. After the basepath was established, it is under judgment of the umpire as to whether the runner leaves the 3' basepath, which in my judgment, he did not, so the runner is free to score. I hope that helps.
@@samuelbarrett5648 a runner called out for interference running to a base. Never heard such a thing. A coach teaches runners in a rundown to run towards the base if the fielder is fielding the ball but does not have possession the fielder is interfering with the runner.
@patrick mckermitt That is true unless that fielder is in the act of fielding the baseball, which in this case would be the fielder attempting to catch the baseball thrown by a teammate. If the runner tangles with the fielder attempting to field the ball, that is interference and the runner is out. Now, if the ball is NOT yet being thrown to the fielder but the fielder is indeed in the runner's basepath and there comes a tangle, that is type-1 obstruction and the runner will be awarded the base he was headed towards (Or depending on the level of play, the runner might be rewarded the next base even if the runner was headed towards a previous base).
So as a baseball player I will tell you that you are wrong. Yes he may have blocked the path but he wasn’t forcing him to go that far off the path. As a player you learn that if a player is blocking your path you run to them (not through) because if you make any kind of contact you would be awarded the base or plate in this situation. Poorly executed by the player and that’s why it would be illegal. If he executed it correctly by running and touching or slight bump to the player blocking then it would have been completely legal and he would have been awarded home plate.
This is my teammate from a few years ago I used to play with in travel ball. When he got back to the dugout we all laughed about how far he ran out of the baseline, so he was definitely out 😂
Once that line has been established, the runner is restricted to run no more than 3 feet away from a direct line between bases to avoid being tagged, or to hinder a fielder while the runner is advancing or returning to a base! That’s the rule, runner is out!
@@patrones1646 there was obstruction before the tag attempt. The three feet allowance only begins at the time of a tag attempt. That’s obstruction, runner awarded home. Easy call and easy to look up the rules since you haven’t yet.
Nope. Will never get obstruction call on a play when the runner doesn't make contact with the defensive player. The pitcher never touched the runner. Any ump that calls that obstruction should go back to school.
He was called safe because he is safe. Runners don't run on a base line, they run on a base path. A base line is irrelevant to the play. A runner establishes his own base path, UNTIL there is a tag play happening on him. Once that happens, the point of where he's at directly to the plate IS his new base path, and he cannot veer more than 3 feet from it. It was a good play, runner is safe.
Had this same play night before last with my sons team. They ran the runner back and forth a few times and he went for it. He stepped out of the baseline but made it home. Other coaches lost their minds as that was the tying run. Objected on that he “went out of the baseline.” Ump informed him that his pitcher was straddling the literal line, the entire exchange, and therefore obstructed the runners path, so he was safe regardless.
I was about to say the same thing, if you look when they slow this play down, the runner is already having to go off the line due to the pitcher impeding his path. SAFE! lol
It happened to us in tournament game. Head ump said you can go three feet either direction in the path you designated as your run path. That was the winning run for the other team.
@@jimmygoske6603 in the play the pitcher was completely on the fair side of the line and the runner had a path to the base. He way over exaggerated how far he needed to go out. He was definitely trying to avoid a tag and not a collision.
@@kj8016 In my eyes, the fielder was in the line before he catches the ball, deeming the runner able to go out of the 3 feet zone. Some may see it that way, some may not. Lots of rules are left for interpretation in baseball
He wasn't out of the baseline. Many confuse the foul line with the baseline. The baseline doesn't exist until an attempt to tag the runner has been made. Until that point the runner is basically free to move however he pleases with some exceptions, but as soon as an attempt to tag him has been made he has to run towards the bag with only 3 ft of wiggle room on either side of the newly established baseline. The runner moved correct but that was before the pitcher attempted a tag on him. From there he did not leave the established baseline.
@RedDemon1776 No such thing as a baseline rule. It's a base path rule, and has nothing to do with that white line on the ground. Runners don't run on a base line, they run on a base path. A base line is irrelevant to the play. A runner establishes his own base path, UNTIL there is a tag play happening on him. Once that happens, the point of where he's at directly to the plate IS his new base path, and he cannot veer more than 3 feet from it. It was a good play, runner is safe.
The baseline doesn't exist until an attempt to tag the runner has been made. Until that point the runner is basically free to move however he pleases with some exceptions, but as soon as an attempt to tag him has been made he has to run towards the bag with only 3 ft of wiggle room on either side of the newly established baseline. The runner moved correct but that was before the pitcher attempted a tag on him. From there he did not leave the established baseline.
The baseline doesn't exist until an attempt to tag the runner has been made. Until that point the runner is basically free to move however he pleases with some exceptions, but as soon as an attempt to tag him has been made he has to run towards the bag with only 3 ft of wiggle room on either side of the newly established baseline. The runner moved correct but that was before the pitcher attempted a tag on him. From there he did not leave the established baseline.
Out of the baseline, yes, but is inconsequential because the baseline isn’t relevant here. The base path is relevant and is established only when the defensive player has the ball and is attempting to make the tag. He veered off prior to the defensive player catching the ball (legal) and ran nearly straight to home plate once the ball was caught and the tag attempted. The runner is safe at home.
Actually no, the baseline doesn't exist until an attempt to tag the runner has been made. Until that point the runner is basically free to move however he pleases with some exceptions, but as soon as an attempt to tag him has been made he has to run towards the bag with only 3 ft of wiggle room on either side of the newly established baseline. The runner moved correct but that was before the pitcher attempted a tag on him. From there he did not leave the established baseline. The white line is the foul line for determine whether a ball was hit fair or is a foul ball.
As someone who read the rule to prove an umpire wrong, the white line is not always the base path except really to first is massive context, that’s why runners on second base normally walk back when getting a lead off second. Those line are for determining fouls. The base path is from the runners current position to the bag while someone is trying to apply a tag, so while the ball is in mid air no tag is trying to be applied, so he didn’t technically leave the base path.
why be a smart ass. The umpire is not talking rulebook points . He said in his opinion it is a tough call . a judgement call . 3 feet is correct . I also go with the baserunner, .
As an umpire with over 20 years experience, this is 100% correct. There is no basepath between bases until a tag is attempted. As such, a runner can leave first base, run and touch the wall in CF and then run back to second base and that is perfectly legal as long no one attempts to apply a tag on them. The basepath is the RUNNERS path to the base.
@@gbod0323So what constitutes as the position of the tag? The location of the player trying to apply the tag, or the position of the glove with the ball when the attempt was made?
Runners don't run on a baseline, they run on a basepath. A base line is irrelevant to the play. A runner establishes his own basepath, UNTIL there is a tag play happening on him. Once that happens, the point of where he's at directly to the plate IS his new basepath, and he cannot veer more than 3 feet from it. It was a good play, runner is safe.
Actually it’s a base path and a new path is created each time the possession on the ball holder changes for a direct path to the base from the moment of the catch while diverting 3 feet or more of the original path set by the runner, So do to the runner avoiding the tag while a transfer for ownership is occurring makes him safe. If he was being chased then he would be out. This situation is very technical as it not a base line it’s a base path, if it was a line the whole infield should have a lines and they should use chalk as after two innings there is no more clear line of distinction of a line.
@@aaronl2663 The base path is defined in rule 5.09 (b)(1): "A runner's base path is established when the tag attempt occurs and is a straight line from the runner to the base he is attempting to reach safely"
@@crisdelgadillo6502 I think you overlooked rule 8.2 (a)(3) which states that rule 5.09 (b)(1) is bullshit and not apart of any real, legit, league rule book.
Absolutely correct. Maybe the only one here who gets this right. The base path only gets defined when a tag attempt is made ... and it changes with each change of possession. It looks really awful, but the runner is safe.
First, it's basepath. Second, the runner establishes their own basepath upon a tag attempt and can go 3 feet outside that basepath. The runner already went wide before the fielder even caught the ball. Upon the tag attempt, the runner's basepath was established and they did not leave said basepath. Runner is safe
It’s still against the rules. Trust me when I played I hoped they would stand in front of me because you are allowed to truck them as hard as you can and if they drop the ball you are safe if not you’re out.
Runners don't run on a base line, they run on a base path. A base line is irrelevant to the play. A runner establishes his own base path, UNTIL there is a tag play happening on him. Once that happens, the point of where he's at directly to the plate IS his new base path, and he cannot veer more than 3 feet from it. It was a good play, runner is safe.
the basepath is only considered when an attempted is made to tag the runner out and when this tag is attempted the runner must stay with in 3 feet of the base path
I watched a lot of baseball as a kid and when the runners come flying around third going home they sweep real wide of the base path and nothing is ever called
@@russellv6234 The path being clear is irrelevant but if you look where his feet are when the guy attempts to tag to where his feet end up it looks like he moved more than 3 feet, his feet were inside the base line and he wound up outside the baseline and on the grass.
@@russellv6234 Typical RUclips Ad hominem attack, my post was 100% factual, if you weren't losing so much blood through your claim maybe you'd have enough blood to stimulate your 3 brain cells.
Base path is established when a fielder with the ball attempts to tag the runner. That means that the chalk line isn’t always indicative of the base path. However, in this instance a base path is established twice. Once when the Catcher attempts the tag and a second time when the 3rd baseman attempts the tag. The ball was then thrown to the Pitcher who had taken a tagging position alongside (not blocking) the base runner’s established path. Base runner then ran outside his established path and should be called out, at least in my interpretation of the rules.
In order for obstruction to be called, contact MUST be made. Sorry, but he should’ve brushed him before the ball got there if he wanted that call. Also the base path is 6’, that’s 3’ either side. You may deviate from the base path at any time UNLESS you are A) avoiding a tag, or B) making a farce of the game. While he is close, he is more than 3’ off the line while avoiding a tag. He’s out. When rounding a base, you are not under threat of a tag and hopefully not making a farce of the game, such as running the path backwards, strolling to the mound, headed for the pen.
@@philbear21 That’s not true. Obstruction may be called without contact. Obstruction is by definition “an act by a fielder, who is not in possession of the ball or in the process of fielding it, that impedes the baserunner's progress.” No where does it say contact must be made. Secondly this isn’t the MLB. This is a high school game and other rules may be applied or not applied.
Your feet don’t have to be on the baseline to obstruct the runner. His was inside 3’ of the line and came over it to catch the ball. He’s safe. You must field the ball outside the baseline then tag the runner. This isn’t that complicated.
Base run is established when the defender initiates a tag at which point the runner must make a straight line path towards plate. Since he looped before the defender attempted to tag he was not out of baseline because as soon as defender did he ran toward home plate. Safe
He’s safe. “The base path is established only when a fielder is in control of the ball and attempts a tag” by the time he catches the ball the runner is in the grass therefore the path would be from that point straight to home plate.
@@stevet5087What was the official call? Video panned off the umpire. But like @mrinfintelyawesome said, it's kids baseball. Rules are stretched. Ex. Wider strike zone, etc.
@@Philip077 …he was saying give the kid a break on the way he handled the play, nothing about stretching rules etc. Let alone punishment outside the rules for merely how a player reacts. I’m sure your baseball skills are flawless, tho.
@@stevet5087 My baseball skill are not perfect but I was taught the fundamentals of baseball. Seeing how run downs are handled by kids are abysmal. DO BETTER....Reglardless, I like the no call here.
R3 made an adjustment to his path before F1 has position of the ball, if anything possible obstruction since F1 didn't have ball while in the runners path. His the devation of runner.
@@davej3781 if you’re rounding an base, then you could be out of the baseline If you’re running in a straight path, then you have to stay on the base path
@@anthonybrown1717 A runner is free to run wherever he wishes, except starting at the moment a fielder attempts to tag him he must not deviate more than 3 feet from a direct from where he is to the base he is trying to reach safely.
@@anthonybrown1717 this is one of the fundamental misunderstandings of what people often call the "base line" or "base path". in baseball where runners may run is limited by only 3 things: 1 - they may not interfere with a fielder fielding a batted ball or go out of their way to create contact with a fielder trying to draw an obstruction call 2 - they may not run outside the 45 foot lane between home and 1B and in so doing interfere with the fielder taking the throw at 1B (the "running lane" rule) 3 - when a fielder in possession of the ball attempts to tag them, they may not run more than 3 feet away from a straight line from where they are when the tag attempt begins to the base they are trying to reach in judging number 3, for the play at hand, it's important to look at where the runner is at the moment the fielder with the ball starts the tag attempt, NOT where the runner ran before (especially not where the runner ran before the fielder had the ball).
At first, I thought he was clearly out of the base path, and technically, he is. But, if the catcher isn't at the plate, which he wasn't, the pitcher should be playing home plate. And instead of doing that, he was running in between the runner and home plate, so you can't fault the runner for avoiding him.
No. The baseline is established when the fielder attempts the tag. It's a straight line from the runner to the next base when the tag is attempted. He's good.
No. Pitcher is not in the baseline. There is no baseline until a play is made on the runner. At the moment the Pitcher catches the ball the runner at that point has to take a straight line between himself and the base. The pop out was before that occurred. This is legal.
Nope I disagree, he is out, runner should’ve ran straight in his line that he was playing already, if pitcher is on the way then ump will call it but for this video I say “out”.
@@TrukNLife316 IGNORE THE WHITE LINE. It's irrelevant to the rules. Runners don't run on a base line, they run on a base path. A base line is irrelevant to the play. A runner establishes his own base path, UNTIL there is a tag play happening on him. Once that happens, the point of where he's at directly to the plate IS his new base path, and he cannot veer more than 3 feet from it. It was a good play, runner is safe.
"A runner's base path is established when the tag attempt occurs and is a straight line from the runner to the base he is attempting to reach safely." You have to have the ball in order to create a baseline. Once the pitcher had the ball (too late) the baseline was created and he didn't deviate from it. Completely legal.
I play baseball and know almost all the rules. This is totally legal as he is trying to avoid the player obstructing the base path and score. Many players tend to run off the dirt when they are rounding third base.
As long as the runner does not deviate more than 3 feet from a direct line from his position when the tag is first attempted to the base he is running to, he is not considered out of baseline. The white lines have absolutely nothing to do with anything base running-related.
Yeah, he didn't have the ball left when he moved to me he was just trying to avoid the other player who didn't have the ball till right after he had already started the move.
Bro went so far outa line he actually went home instead of home
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Bahahaha that was actually pretty good
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I umpire and that’s a tough one. You can’t obstruct the base path if you don’t have the ball. However a runner has 3 feet of room on each side of the white line to run. I’d call safe for the judgement that the runner attempted to avoid a collision with the pitcher or first baseman even though he didn’t have the ball. You can’t obstruct a base path without the ball in your possession. All that being said if the first baseman or pitcher had the ball a second or so earlier and the runner did the same thing I’d call out.
Edit thanks for all the upvotes and comments. For reference I’ve been umpiring for 9 years im 23 years old and I do 8-12 games a week from March-September. I do little league/travel teams/highschool/men’s baseball. However I’ve noticed a clear trend. Those who agree are either coaches/players or other umpires. Those who argue are either boomers or young people who have no idea what they’re talking about. It’s really entertaining to read them.
I agree. He wasn't avoiding a tag he was avoiding the player.
I would disagree. I am a catcher and I know that once you step out of the baseline (touching the green) means he is out of the baseline which means he’s out.
@G-coder the line in the dirt is not the baseline.
The baseline is established when the defensive player has the ball and a tag is being attempted. He veered before the catcher had the ball to avoid contact.
Pitcher is in the wrong spot to begin with. The shoulder turn on the runner says it all. He's out, runners need to learn to attack the ball-less player to get the obstruction call or knock it loose and keep advancing the runners. Mr umpire, owes either team a call down the road.
@@G-coderthat differs when it’s home bc when you take a lead it’s on the grass same with first u hit outside corner or if ur rounding u go into the grass alot
mans went on a whole ass detour to get to home
Doesn’t matter though. The runner makes his own baseline until a tag is being attempted. Once the tag is being attempted, a straight line is drawn from the runner to home plate. At that point he can veer another 3 feet outside that line. Because he started getting wide before the pitcher had the ball, made it to where he’s safe.
@@TeamBazzhe went more than 3 feet
Where he was standing when the pitcher had the ball was the white line, he went more than 3 feet
@@VoidiumTheEye it doesn’t matter when the pitcher had the ball. You have to look at where the runner is when a tag attempt was made. At that point you draw a straight line to the plate and he can’t go more than 3 feet outside that line. He started moving way before the tag attempt was started.
@@TeamBazz No way..... Any umpire that wouldn't call that kid out of the baseline is crazy. You aren't able to get your protractor and tape measure out to determine out of the baseline. He's clearly way out.
I’m going to digress and mention how beautiful that bunt was.
wdym, it went straight to the pitcher
That was a horrible bunt Bro what
Bro it literally went right to the pitcher and caused his teammate to get in a pickle
Beautiful that he got it down. Not a beautiful direction. 2 feet to the left or right and we don't have a run down at all
Worst bunt I've seen in awhile right to the pitcher
Boy just ran like his dad just took away his PS5. All wobbly
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Nah that’s jus how baseball players run in general😂
If he ran in baseline he would of beat the throw anyways
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Bro took run home to a whole new level
He was safe tho
He was safe as hell.
Yes but safe
Yeah that was safe, could easily argue trying to avoid a collision cause by the time he was to the side of the fielder, he didn’t even have the ball yet
His baseline is established when the tag attempt occurs. At that point he is almost past the fielder and runs in a straight line to the base as required.
I believe they get a three foot wide baseline baseline from where the tag is attempted
@@Elementofpotato yeah they get three feet of leeway from the baseline on both sides of the baseline.
I’m not an umpire, but the way I understand it is that there is no base path until the player catches the ball in front of the base runner. At that point the base path is a straight line between the base runner (where ever he is at) and the next base. He is allowed a 3 foot deviation to either side.
Pitcher got caught ball watching instead of covering the plate like he should of
Catcher threw the ball to 3B way too early. Wouldn’t pin the broken pickle on the pitcher
Love the morality answer
@@MP5.. Seriously? The pitcher practically follows the catcher to third. The catcher may have thrown it too soon, but it wasn't the worst part of the play, nor why an out wasn't recorded.
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@@MP5..he did but all the advantage was still with the fielding team. The pitcher went to no man’s land and for some reason the 3rd baseman threw to him. Looks like 1st baseman was covering home. At least throw to him.
Imma make it simple: yes
Imma make it simple: you're wrong
Seriously, if the umpire had called him out here I'd have to question his training and rules knowledge
Yep, he’s out.
@@davej3781 he was like 5 feet outside of the baseline. How can you justify that, when there is evidence
@@colebaldwin9084 because there's no such thing as a baseline for the runner... he can run where he wants to
So nothing lol
Bro went to heaven
When a runner is caught between bases and fielders have the runner in a pickle (a rundown), each time the fielders exchange the ball and the runner reverses direction, the runner has created a new base path . Each time you have this reversal you have a new base path because you have a new fielder attempting to make a tag (and therefore a new "straight line to the base"), and so you have to adjust your view of the base path accordingly. (On a side note, obstruction also comes into play in this scenario.)
Exactly! Also the baseline doesn't exist until an attempt to tag the runner has been made. Until that point the runner is basically free to move however he pleases, but as soon as an attempt to tag him has been made he has to run towards the bag with only 3 ft of wiggle room. The runner moved correct but that was before the pitcher attempted a tag on him. From there he did not leave the established baseline
Runner was well within reason with his path , he's good
Bro was blocking his path w/o the ball
You can do that
Watch it Again not even true
You can block the person running when you HAVE the ball, if you don't you cant
@@eli1313no you can't lol
You can run 3 feet off the baseline
He went out to lunch, then came back in bounds.
Bounds💀
Always was in the base path tho
@@JHC777 no
@@galahad8486 yea
Pitcher was on the line blocking him
Your dancing skills are next level.
Honestly that second base runner was really in the game.
Bro was in the parking lot 🤣
I'm saying!!!!!
Bro this comment is underrated
Look it up, he’s safe
But safe, because player without ball obstructing
@@kennethwise6509you're half right. The baseline doesn't exist until an attempt to tag the runner has been made. Until that point the runner is basically free to move however he pleases, but as soon as an attempt to tag him has been made he has to run towards the bag with only 3 ft of wiggle room. The runner moved correct but that was before the pitcher attempted a tag on him. From there he did not leave the established baseline, hence he's safe
The real crime is that the pitcher didn’t come home to cover….he went to the runner instead of protecting the house.
Yes definitely
However would've tagged him had he stayed in path
@@lukechristopher8824 I’m calling him safe and not saying anything about the baseline since the pitcher chased the runner up the line for no reason🤣
@Luke christopher can't block line without the ball. Runner is safe. Back before baseball turned soft pitcher would been ran through before catching the ball.
@@JustSomeGuy42 I agree. Plate umpire should have called obstruction on the pitcher.
Running from third to home is a whole different animal, he doesn't establish his path until that side step. He is safe.
Exactly! The baseline doesn't exist until an attempted tag is made on the runner and even then they have 3 ft of wiggle room on either side. He did not deviate from his path towards home once the baseline was established
He avoided the tag. Out
The rule can only protected the runners 3' from either side the baseline, he's way off the protected 3' therefore he's out!
@@rachelneagle8349 the rule also says that the baseline doesn't exist until an attempted tag has been made and stops existing when a person loses possession of the ball. His movement was before the pitcher caught the ball and after the 3rd baseman release the ball, hence the baseline did not exist at that point. Your thinking of the foul line. Also the baseline that is created is a straight line between where the runner is at that point and the base they are attempting to reach
@@rachelneagle8349 the white line is in the baseline it is the foul line. The baseline doesn't exist until an attempted tag has been made and stops existing when the player with the ball either loses it or throws it. The runners movement happened before the pitcher got the ball to attempt to tag and after the third baseman released in hence it didn't exist at that point. Once an attempt to tag has been made the baseline existed and that baseline was a direct path between the runner and the base he was trying to attempt to reach. And from the point of it existing he did not leave the baseline
The base path is defined in Rule 5.09(b)(1):
"A runner's base path is established when the tag attempt occurs and is a straight line from the runner to the base he is attempting to reach safely."
The wording is important. The base path is established (created) "when the tag attempt occurs." in other words, until there is a tag attempt, there is no base path. And then this: The base runner is out if "running more than three feet away from the baseline to avoid being tagged." At the moment the base path is established (when the tag is attempted), the runner cannot veer more than three feet to the left or right of the base path for the purpose of avoiding a tag.
It's important that a base path only exists when a fielder is attempting to make a tag. At all other times there is no base path (no such thing) and in fact the runner is free (at his peril) to run pretty much anywhere he wishes. There are limits to this (see Rule 5.09(b)(10) regarding "making a travesty of the game"); however, the central point remains: the base runner creates his own base path.
I am not reading all that ngtl
So he’s out
@@Denali_Rebelhe’s safe because at the point where the fielder attempted to make a tag, the runner was about a foot and a half into the green grass. The runner remained in the same area going directly to home plate. The runner didn’t travel further away in any direction from the base path created at the tag attempt.
Bro went home to drink a glass of water and came back 💀
It’s actually a play that usually defensive players use but he did a good job 👏
Bro was blocking his path 💀
no we can run metre from the line
Dude went back to the dugout to get a sip of water
3 feet on either side of the line is what I was always told growing up. Dude was at least 5 or 6 lol
He damn near went and sat in the dugout for for a minute.
💀
He's still safe mlb players do this all the time except they often fo the other way to make the throw in from outfield harder
M g why is this so fun y
😂
@@hoppy23 sir this is travel ball (most likely)
"The only time that a baseline must be determined is when a defensive player tries to tag out a runner. At that point, the baseline becomes an imaginary straight line between the runner's current location and the base that he or she is trying to reach"
Also, "Once a play is being made on him, he has three feet leeway to legally avoid a tag."
Great explanation.
Pause the video when the fielder who attempts the tag catches the ball to see where that 3 feet starts. The runner changes course before then, making it seem he strayed farther from the basepath than he actually did
3feet
Nice to hear someone knowing the rules
For all the folks saying 3 feet make sure you keep that same energy when you see the next baserunning take a wide rounding turn from first and headed to second. The base path is created by the base runner.... The ump has to be in a better position
Props to the nice bunt and even better base running going to second. As well as the kid at second taking third. Those kids playing to win.
bros on a vacation w that one
Yes. The crazy part is, he didn’t even need to run out of the line. He was safe regardless.
No he would’ve been tagged
U r correct
Facts
how? out of he was tagged. obviously he ran out of baseline to avoid tag
@@mrkoolio4475
30-year umpire veteran here.
No. A baseline is established when there is a tag attempt. From the moment of the (horrible) tag attempt, he was already in that position. No call. Safe at home.
Correct. There's a difference between a baseline (Set by rule) and basepath (Established by the runner). The title of this video is misleading as it uses the wrong word for this situation. The answer to the question at the top of the clip is yes, but that's not the question at hand, which is if the runner is out of the basepath, which is no.
Would you not consider the baseline established when he started moving to avoid the tag that was coming even though the player didn’t have the ball yet?
@Johnny C Fair question. Let me start by saying that the baseLINE is set-in-stone by rule, being the 90' lines between bases. The term I believe you were looking for was basePATH. In a play such as this, the basepath is established as a straight line from the runner to the base he is headed toward, from the moment the attempt to tag begins. While the ball was being thrown to the fielder, the runner was actually required to avoid the fielder fielding the baseball, which in this case dictated that he leave the baseline as the fielder was in it, otherwise the runner would be called out for interference. The tag attempt began while the runner was avoiding the fielder, so the runner's basepath was established while the runner was outside the baseline, but that is irrelevant here as it is the basepath that matters. After the basepath was established, it is under judgment of the umpire as to whether the runner leaves the 3' basepath, which in my judgment, he did not, so the runner is free to score. I hope that helps.
@@samuelbarrett5648 a runner called out for interference running to a base. Never heard such a thing. A coach teaches runners in a rundown to run towards the base if the fielder is fielding the ball but does not have possession the fielder is interfering with the runner.
@patrick mckermitt That is true unless that fielder is in the act of fielding the baseball, which in this case would be the fielder attempting to catch the baseball thrown by a teammate. If the runner tangles with the fielder attempting to field the ball, that is interference and the runner is out. Now, if the ball is NOT yet being thrown to the fielder but the fielder is indeed in the runner's basepath and there comes a tangle, that is type-1 obstruction and the runner will be awarded the base he was headed towards (Or depending on the level of play, the runner might be rewarded the next base even if the runner was headed towards a previous base).
He is still in the baseline due to blocked path. I like how the kid signaled it was safe when the umpire could call out immediately after.
For future reference… run into the pitchers glove that is standing in the baseline. The ball will hit your back and you are safe.
When I played ball many years ago, I was called out avoiding a tag like that.
That is true. The rule us if you purposely avoid a tag and run a different path you are out
@@jamesnestor6530 nope not true
@@dogedogbar can you tell me the specific rule the please.
Was passed and established back in base path before tag attempt imo
@James Nestor the fielder doesn't have the ball so the runner can avoid him and establish a new basepath
He moved before a tag attempt was made. 100% legal. Fielder didn’t even have the ball and was blocking his path.
Just run into the fucker
So as a baseball player I will tell you that you are wrong. Yes he may have blocked the path but he wasn’t forcing him to go that far off the path. As a player you learn that if a player is blocking your path you run to them (not through) because if you make any kind of contact you would be awarded the base or plate in this situation. Poorly executed by the player and that’s why it would be illegal. If he executed it correctly by running and touching or slight bump to the player blocking then it would have been completely legal and he would have been awarded home plate.
@@JoeyMinIII lmfao wild you’re a baseball player and don’t know the rules of the game.
But he moved to AVOID the tag. That’s the key , I’d call him out
He WAS blocking the path but you are supposed to just run into him. There is no time when you can leave the base path.
This is my teammate from a few years ago I used to play with in travel ball. When he got back to the dugout we all laughed about how far he ran out of the baseline, so he was definitely out 😂
Ngl that bunt was straight ouf cricket 💀
I have obstruction here. Pitcher hindered the runner without the ball. Runner awarded home.
Once that line has been established, the runner is restricted to run no more than 3 feet away from a direct line between bases to avoid being tagged, or to hinder a fielder while the runner is advancing or returning to a base! That’s the rule, runner is out!
@@patrones1646 there was obstruction before the tag attempt. The three feet allowance only begins at the time of a tag attempt. That’s obstruction, runner awarded home. Easy call and easy to look up the rules since you haven’t yet.
@@mikewil004 I thought it was only if you made physical contact?
@@patrones1646 if that is the case why not just block the runner until he tagged😅. He is safe.
Nope. Will never get obstruction call on a play when the runner doesn't make contact with the defensive player. The pitcher never touched the runner. Any ump that calls that obstruction should go back to school.
He's so far off that baseline border patrol asking for his documents.
Lol!!!
😂🤣
Under Biden he is safe nothing illegal here
bruhh😂
Hahahahha
Bro went to Italy with that one
Definitely Wayyyyy Outta the Baseline.... Great Effort Though!!! 👌
I bet when the ump call them out they acted all confused...😂😂😂😂
He was called safe because he is safe. Runners don't run on a base line, they run on a base path. A base line is irrelevant to the play. A runner establishes his own base path, UNTIL there is a tag play happening on him. Once that happens, the point of where he's at directly to the plate IS his new base path, and he cannot veer more than 3 feet from it.
It was a good play, runner is safe.
@@Subangelisblue called him out. Already explained to you why
@@philbear21he should be safe by the rulebook
Bro went to the corner store then came back to the line 😂
Yes
needed some gatorade
Bro took the scenic route
Bro walked to China and back to the baseline and said he didn’t walk out 😂
Dude was like me running to the snack bar mid game
Had this same play night before last with my sons team. They ran the runner back and forth a few times and he went for it. He stepped out of the baseline but made it home. Other coaches lost their minds as that was the tying run. Objected on that he “went out of the baseline.” Ump informed him that his pitcher was straddling the literal line, the entire exchange, and therefore obstructed the runners path, so he was safe regardless.
I was about to say the same thing, if you look when they slow this play down, the runner is already having to go off the line due to the pitcher impeding his path. SAFE! lol
It happened to us in tournament game. Head ump said you can go three feet either direction in the path you designated as your run path. That was the winning run for the other team.
Ump here, came to say this
@@jimmygoske6603 in the play the pitcher was completely on the fair side of the line and the runner had a path to the base. He way over exaggerated how far he needed to go out. He was definitely trying to avoid a tag and not a collision.
@@kj8016 In my eyes, the fielder was in the line before he catches the ball, deeming the runner able to go out of the 3 feet zone. Some may see it that way, some may not. Lots of rules are left for interpretation in baseball
Bro went back to the dougout
Ump: He's out of the base line
Runner: Nuh uhh 💀
He wasn't out of the baseline. Many confuse the foul line with the baseline. The baseline doesn't exist until an attempt to tag the runner has been made. Until that point the runner is basically free to move however he pleases with some exceptions, but as soon as an attempt to tag him has been made he has to run towards the bag with only 3 ft of wiggle room on either side of the newly established baseline. The runner moved correct but that was before the pitcher attempted a tag on him. From there he did not leave the established baseline.
He ran to the car and got a Gatorade took 3 📱 pictures and was save at the plate 😮👍
When he makes the juke move, it is clear evidence that his mind is thinking about avoiding the tag.
Or the other body. I think he shoulda just trucked his ass.
Well, yeah! If you avoid the tag you miss the catcher, and visa versa, which is exactly what coach would expect him to do.
@RedDemon1776 No such thing as a baseline rule. It's a base path rule, and has nothing to do with that white line on the ground.
Runners don't run on a base line, they run on a base path. A base line is irrelevant to the play. A runner establishes his own base path, UNTIL there is a tag play happening on him. Once that happens, the point of where he's at directly to the plate IS his new base path, and he cannot veer more than 3 feet from it.
It was a good play, runner is safe.
There was no tag attempt. You can’t avid a tag from a player who doesn’t have the baseball.
It's easy to watch it over and over but in the game in real time you make the best call you can. I sure miss umpiring
Bro went so far out he crossed the boarder
The baseline doesn't exist until an attempt to tag the runner has been made. Until that point the runner is basically free to move however he pleases with some exceptions, but as soon as an attempt to tag him has been made he has to run towards the bag with only 3 ft of wiggle room on either side of the newly established baseline. The runner moved correct but that was before the pitcher attempted a tag on him. From there he did not leave the established baseline.
Bro went so far away from the baseline that the umpire was confused that if he went home or he was going home
The baseline doesn't exist until an attempt to tag the runner has been made. Until that point the runner is basically free to move however he pleases with some exceptions, but as soon as an attempt to tag him has been made he has to run towards the bag with only 3 ft of wiggle room on either side of the newly established baseline. The runner moved correct but that was before the pitcher attempted a tag on him. From there he did not leave the established baseline.
Out of the baseline, yes, but is inconsequential because the baseline isn’t relevant here. The base path is relevant and is established only when the defensive player has the ball and is attempting to make the tag.
He veered off prior to the defensive player catching the ball (legal) and ran nearly straight to home plate once the ball was caught and the tag attempted.
The runner is safe at home.
Actually no, the baseline doesn't exist until an attempt to tag the runner has been made. Until that point the runner is basically free to move however he pleases with some exceptions, but as soon as an attempt to tag him has been made he has to run towards the bag with only 3 ft of wiggle room on either side of the newly established baseline. The runner moved correct but that was before the pitcher attempted a tag on him. From there he did not leave the established baseline. The white line is the foul line for determine whether a ball was hit fair or is a foul ball.
As someone who read the rule to prove an umpire wrong, the white line is not always the base path except really to first is massive context, that’s why runners on second base normally walk back when getting a lead off second. Those line are for determining fouls. The base path is from the runners current position to the bag while someone is trying to apply a tag, so while the ball is in mid air no tag is trying to be applied, so he didn’t technically leave the base path.
why be a smart ass. The umpire is not talking rulebook points . He said in his opinion it is a tough call . a judgement call . 3 feet is correct . I also go with the baserunner, .
Yes😊
As an umpire with over 20 years experience, this is 100% correct. There is no basepath between bases until a tag is attempted. As such, a runner can leave first base, run and touch the wall in CF and then run back to second base and that is perfectly legal as long no one attempts to apply a tag on them. The basepath is the RUNNERS path to the base.
@@gbod0323So what constitutes as the position of the tag? The location of the player trying to apply the tag, or the position of the glove with the ball when the attempt was made?
@@dutchbosoxfan8919 glove with the ball.
Bro was farther than the moon
That's actually a very solid back foot defence
Cricket > Baseball
says nobody ever
@@The-ur7zy baseball is just cricket in Ohio
@@dequaviousdinglenuts facts
@@ritam3458 not funny did not laugh
Runners don't run on a baseline, they run on a basepath. A base line is irrelevant to the play. A runner establishes his own basepath, UNTIL there is a tag play happening on him. Once that happens, the point of where he's at directly to the plate IS his new basepath, and he cannot veer more than 3 feet from it.
It was a good play, runner is safe.
There was a tag play on him. He went out of the base path to avoid the tag.
3 ft is about half a body length. He ran out more than 5 ft.
I would venture more than 3 feet and it doesn't matter where the fielder is when trying to make a tag as long as he has the ball
@@jehjeh37111 He was already there.
@@jehjeh37111he went out of the path to avoid colliding with a defender who shouldnt be ghat far up the line
Yes… and by a mile… he was so far out I thought he was traveling from NY to Hawaii!!!!!
Actually it’s a base path and a new path is created each time the possession on the ball holder changes for a direct path to the base from the moment of the catch while diverting 3 feet or more of the original path set by the runner,
So do to the runner avoiding the tag while a transfer for ownership is occurring makes him safe. If he was being chased then he would be out. This situation is very technical as it not a base line it’s a base path, if it was a line the whole infield should have a lines and they should use chalk as after two innings there is no more clear line of distinction of a line.
ya, NO. show me where it says that....
@@aaronl2663
The base path is defined in rule 5.09 (b)(1):
"A runner's base path is established when the tag attempt occurs and is a straight line from the runner to the base he is attempting to reach safely"
@@crisdelgadillo6502
I think you overlooked rule 8.2 (a)(3) which states that rule 5.09 (b)(1) is bullshit and not apart of any real, legit, league rule book.
@@aaronl2663🤡
Absolutely correct. Maybe the only one here who gets this right. The base path only gets defined when a tag attempt is made ... and it changes with each change of possession.
It looks really awful, but the runner is safe.
Runner was avoiding the fielder that was in the baseline, without the ball. SAFE at HOME.
I agree
He is still out of the baseline
@Aiden Fredlund if he ran into the fielder it be fielder interfere so still safe at home
He had the ball stupid
@grant S that didn't happen he went out of baseline
He's so out of the baseline he's on the next field
First, it's basepath. Second, the runner establishes their own basepath upon a tag attempt and can go 3 feet outside that basepath. The runner already went wide before the fielder even caught the ball. Upon the tag attempt, the runner's basepath was established and they did not leave said basepath. Runner is safe
Hes safe because the pitcher is in fact in his base line and he was avoiding him so its a clean play
It’s still against the rules. Trust me when I played I hoped they would stand in front of me because you are allowed to truck them as hard as you can and if they drop the ball you are safe if not you’re out.
If he makes contact with the pitcher when the pitcher doesn’t have the ball then yea, but since he went out of the line that never happened. He’s out
He was definitely out of the baseline 😂 he’s basically in the stands with the fans at that point 🤣
Runners don't run on a base line, they run on a base path. A base line is irrelevant to the play. A runner establishes his own base path, UNTIL there is a tag play happening on him. Once that happens, the point of where he's at directly to the plate IS his new base path, and he cannot veer more than 3 feet from it.
It was a good play, runner is safe.
the basepath is only considered when an attempted is made to tag the runner out and when this tag is attempted the runner must stay with in 3 feet of the base path
I watched a lot of baseball as a kid and when the runners come flying around third going home they sweep real wide of the base path and nothing is ever called
He almost went to the concession stand and came back to the game 😂
Yes 100%. His path to the bag was clear. He chose to run out of line.
that is 100% irrelevant to the basepath rule. He is correctly called safe.
@@russellv6234 The path being clear is irrelevant but if you look where his feet are when the guy attempts to tag to where his feet end up it looks like he moved more than 3 feet, his feet were inside the base line and he wound up outside the baseline and on the grass.
@@robertthomas7239 what's it like going through life being so dumb?
@@russellv6234 Typical RUclips Ad hominem attack, my post was 100% factual, if you weren't losing so much blood through your claim maybe you'd have enough blood to stimulate your 3 brain cells.
@@robertthomas7239 go ahead and keep being mad you don't still have your own drinking fountain
Base path is established when a fielder with the ball attempts to tag the runner. That means that the chalk line isn’t always indicative of the base path.
However, in this instance a base path is established twice. Once when the Catcher attempts the tag and a second time when the 3rd baseman attempts the tag. The ball was then thrown to the Pitcher who had taken a tagging position alongside (not blocking) the base runner’s established path.
Base runner then ran outside his established path and should be called out, at least in my interpretation of the rules.
Defender obstructing base line
This rule was a lot clearer 40 years ago. Today, ..subjectively,..he's safe. In my day, he's out. (Circa 1980)
Completely agree 👍.
Obstructed the baseline before he had the ball. He’s safe
In order for obstruction to be called, contact MUST be made. Sorry, but he should’ve brushed him before the ball got there if he wanted that call. Also the base path is 6’, that’s 3’ either side. You may deviate from the base path at any time UNLESS you are A) avoiding a tag, or B) making a farce of the game. While he is close, he is more than 3’ off the line while avoiding a tag. He’s out. When rounding a base, you are not under threat of a tag and hopefully not making a farce of the game, such as running the path backwards, strolling to the mound, headed for the pen.
@@philbear21 That’s not true. Obstruction may be called without contact. Obstruction is by definition “an act by a fielder, who is not in possession of the ball or in the process of fielding it, that impedes the baserunner's progress.” No where does it say contact must be made. Secondly this isn’t the MLB. This is a high school game and other rules may be applied or not applied.
Fielder didn’t obstruct..his feet never even touched the line.. runner left the baseline to avoid the tag .. classic case , he’s out
Your feet don’t have to be on the baseline to obstruct the runner. His was inside 3’ of the line and came over it to catch the ball. He’s safe. You must field the ball outside the baseline then tag the runner. This isn’t that complicated.
Base run is established when the defender initiates a tag at which point the runner must make a straight line path towards plate. Since he looped before the defender attempted to tag he was not out of baseline because as soon as defender did he ran toward home plate. Safe
He’s safe.
“The base path is established only when a fielder is in control of the ball and attempts a tag” by the time he catches the ball the runner is in the grass therefore the path would be from that point straight to home plate.
What is the pitcher doing. He deserves to be safe based on that.
Bro this is literally kids baseball 😂
So rules are based on what a defending player does in your opinion?
@@stevet5087What was the official call? Video panned off the umpire. But like @mrinfintelyawesome said, it's kids baseball. Rules are stretched. Ex. Wider strike zone, etc.
@@Philip077 …he was saying give the kid a break on the way he handled the play, nothing about stretching rules etc. Let alone punishment outside the rules for merely how a player reacts. I’m sure your baseball skills are flawless, tho.
@@stevet5087 My baseball skill are not perfect but I was taught the fundamentals of baseball. Seeing how run downs are handled by kids are abysmal. DO BETTER....Reglardless, I like the no call here.
Bro literally went to go high five his teammates in the dugout
Umpire - due to the pitcher in the lane - he avoided the contact - he is safe
He was so far out he went home instead of home
Safe, base path isn't established until tag is attempted
The pitcher receiving the ball was in the runners way in the baseline without the ball yet. Looks like runner avoided the collision. Safe
Your supposed to run into them or they make fun calls and call you out
@@riverknight7702 Nope. At that level, you're out and ejected for running into them.
Little dude was in the dugout practically.
Yerrr outta there! ⚾️
R3 made an adjustment to his path before F1 has position of the ball, if anything possible obstruction since F1 didn't have ball while in the runners path. His the devation of runner.
He is absolutely out he’s not rounding a base
@@markadamian8791 what does rounding a base have to do with anything?
@@davej3781 if you’re rounding an base, then you could be out of the baseline
If you’re running in a straight path, then you have to stay on the base path
@@anthonybrown1717 A runner is free to run wherever he wishes, except starting at the moment a fielder attempts to tag him he must not deviate more than 3 feet from a direct from where he is to the base he is trying to reach safely.
@@anthonybrown1717 this is one of the fundamental misunderstandings of what people often call the "base line" or "base path". in baseball where runners may run is limited by only 3 things:
1 - they may not interfere with a fielder fielding a batted ball or go out of their way to create contact with a fielder trying to draw an obstruction call
2 - they may not run outside the 45 foot lane between home and 1B and in so doing interfere with the fielder taking the throw at 1B (the "running lane" rule)
3 - when a fielder in possession of the ball attempts to tag them, they may not run more than 3 feet away from a straight line from where they are when the tag attempt begins to the base they are trying to reach
in judging number 3, for the play at hand, it's important to look at where the runner is at the moment the fielder with the ball starts the tag attempt, NOT where the runner ran before (especially not where the runner ran before the fielder had the ball).
Pitchers gotta cover the plate once the catcher vacated. Would have made that so much easier. Great video to teach kids a little rundown defense.
Bro went put by a mile
At first, I thought he was clearly out of the base path, and technically, he is. But, if the catcher isn't at the plate, which he wasn't, the pitcher should be playing home plate. And instead of doing that, he was running in between the runner and home plate, so you can't fault the runner for avoiding him.
Bro wasn’t going home bro was going HOME
No. The baseline is established when the fielder attempts the tag. It's a straight line from the runner to the next base when the tag is attempted. He's good.
Glad someone knows the rules.
@@swanamaker More than just one.
The runner went out of the baseline while the tag was being attempted. He’s out.
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He can move 3 feet to either side and he's still good. If you think he moved more than 3 feet it's optometrist time.
@@BeefPapa just looked at it again. The kid is about two feet onto the grass. That puts him at least three feet off the baseline.
Pitcher was blocking his path without the ball could call obstruction
Bro was a mile out the baseline
Pitcher was in the baseline which means the runner can alter his running line to avoid the tag
No. Pitcher is not in the baseline. There is no baseline until a play is made on the runner. At the moment the Pitcher catches the ball the runner at that point has to take a straight line between himself and the base. The pop out was before that occurred. This is legal.
Nope I disagree, he is out, runner should’ve ran straight in his line that he was playing already, if pitcher is on the way then ump will call it but for this video I say “out”.
@@baseballumpires6901 BASE PATH not baseline. You should know that.
@@TrukNLife316 IGNORE THE WHITE LINE. It's irrelevant to the rules.
Runners don't run on a base line, they run on a base path. A base line is irrelevant to the play. A runner establishes his own base path, UNTIL there is a tag play happening on him. Once that happens, the point of where he's at directly to the plate IS his new base path, and he cannot veer more than 3 feet from it.
It was a good play, runner is safe.
"A runner's base path is established when the tag attempt occurs and is a straight line from the runner to the base he is attempting to reach safely."
You have to have the ball in order to create a baseline. Once the pitcher had the ball (too late) the baseline was created and he didn't deviate from it. Completely legal.
Isn't there also a range of being within 3' of the path?
@@nate24680only 3' from the tag.
Im sorry but 🤓
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@@chesterthompson6835 3’ from the base line established by the runner when the tag is attempted.
I play baseball and know almost all the rules. This is totally legal as he is trying to avoid the player obstructing the base path and score. Many players tend to run off the dirt when they are rounding third base.
As long as the runner does not deviate more than 3 feet from a direct line from his position when the tag is first attempted to the base he is running to, he is not considered out of baseline. The white lines have absolutely nothing to do with anything base running-related.
Bro went to McDonalds and brought back a big mac
SAFE!
wrong.
@@tavspop he is safe. Base path is only established when a tag is being attempted.
Yeah, he didn't have the ball left when he moved to me he was just trying to avoid the other player who didn't have the ball till right after he had already started the move.
He was in the next county 😂
He moved so far out of his base path, he was already heading to the dugout before going home.
He leaned out of that baseline like a rapper from Houston