"Why put criminals, rapists and murderers, in jail? They don't do anything good there, eh?" We have here one of the pillars of the imperial army. It has been specified several times that he is an excellent strategist, responsible for the deaths of countless people. And that if he is released, it will probably be impossible to recapture him because the improbable situation which allowed his capture (and which cost a large number of lives) will not recur. And ... "If we freed him, in exchange for a few thousand lives? Look, I'll give you light points!" Seeing that the only logical, ethical and moral reaction was a "dark" choice left me speechless.
@@Konmael The dark side is probably due to fact that releasing him denies Saresh the possibility to recover thousands of Republic prisoners. Who knows, perhaps great scientist or special agents are in there too. I think the cinematic and dialogues fail to show pragmatism in both choice so that's why the Dark one seems better
@@farseeraradrel4808 What it seems to me is that the Chancellor is trying to make herself look good in the eyes of her supporters. Save thousands while the entire galaxy, and let millions, billions, hell possibly even trillions burn away, quietly going into the night. This feels nothing more than a cheap political move. Yes, it is sad and unfortunate that thousands of prisoners will likely be killed or worse, but there is always the chance they might be recovered later. You know, there's a quote from a game I like from Infamous 2: "For the thousands that died, millions were gonna live." I feel like it applies well to this decision.
Saresh as Governor of Taris wasn't bad. I have all except the Trooper and Bounty Hunter stories complete, so I'm guessing I didn't get to see the bad side of Saresh until Makeb but the trooper gets to see it sooner.
@pogggaming4470 I'm making progress on the Trooper story. Originally, my interest was in the force using classes. I didn't really think much of the tech classes. Eventually, that changed. And don't worry, when I get to that point in KOTET, Saresh dies (even with my light V consular and light V knight).
@aaronbeat1136 I've played through it on a few different characters. I loathe Saresh. You don't have much interaction with her until she becomes Supreme Chancellor (thanks Bounty Hunter for creating that job opening for her, just wish the hunter got a special line in KOTET saying "you should have learned from your predecessor's demise").
It would show that Talia would continue the bloodshed. A good leader is different. But I agree that it’s still a good decision in the moment, and doesn’t necessarily mean that the people will see her that way. Sometimes in war morality won’t win.
depending on how you look at it, they actually got the idea right dark side isnt "bad" its just emotional, prideful, principled, potentially destructive and selfish but grounded and powerful dark-siders arent always mean and dont always refuse to help people, theyre more generally against wanton charity and generosity, believing it weakens people to be taken advantage of or grow complacent you dont do much good helping someone so much that they cant function without you just like light-side isnt always "good" cause its also detached, 'above' the world, submitting to the will of the force and the universe above your own goals, whimsical and while yes light-siders do think immediately of the most help and generosity they can perform to those around them they dont think of the consequences of allowing themselves to be a crutch to be leaned on
@@CaptainPrincess Admiral Trench had this very mindset, and would've been right in his assumption that since a jedi came to take him away, he would simply be sent back for a couple war prisoners. Unfortunately for him, he met Anikan who was at the time, a perfect mix of rational thinking (dark-side) and willing to still do good, in the end he didn't kill for the sake of killing, but because Trench forced his hand, but also denying his enemies of the perks of their greatest Admiral.
@@bibby659 dark side isnt the rational side its the emotional side granted your emotions and your rationality are often deeply connected, thats the human condition but its a characteristic of the light side to be SO rational as to elevate yourself above emotional existence and detach yourself from the world where people have to live and get by he didnt kill trench for the sake of killing, but killing trench was definitely an emotionally driven response to the problem he presented the RATIONAL thing to do wouldve been to take him prisoner and extract useful information, while still depriving the separatists from accessing him outright killing him solves a lot of problems but inefficiently and leaves plenty others yet unsolved
@@CaptainPrincess but this instance, the clear good choice is eliminating the threat. a darksider would kill rakton, a lightsider imprison him. from any angle you look at it, keeping rakton in prison saves the most lives. hes more destructive than the bloody sith silencer. Rakton would in one BATTLE probably kill more than republic would gain back in prisoners. itd be like taking the silencer away only to give it right back to the empire. you don't put weapons into the hands of your enemies; not even a jedi would give a lightsaber to a street thug (literal whole clonewars episode about that responsibility), let alone the single deadliest man back to the sith, because then they would be responsible for all the deaths they caused going forward.
I played a full lightside trooper, but I chose the darkside option. How stupid do you have to be to hand one of the empire's greatest weapons back to them? It's like the supreme chancellor had a child's understanding of the military. The lightside option was just dumb.
The common solider fights the chain of command, wich has no idea how it really is in the field. The chain of command fights the politicians, who have no idea what is necessary to win. The politicians fight the ignorance of the people about what is necessary to keep the country running.
I have two Troopers. A bastard who thinks only of war and combat. Killing enemies and being praised for it makes him feel important ! A "nice" who does her duty in all circumstances. What is completely paradoxical is that : - the bastard chose to release him (It was a selfish choice. We don't care about the few thousand people released! What matters is that an officer, an excellent strategist, is released. Because that can only cause more war) - the good one chose not to release him (thus saving millions, at the cost of life of a few thousand) Often in SWTOR the Dark / Light choices are inconsistent, as the player is taken for an idiot unable to think long term.
Until we rich expansion territory, still being honest I could see this as one way to go down to road of saboter. At first trooper worked as full on patriot fully believing what pub propaganda said but once he/she saw how things really work, then he/she decides to go "along" with release of General only to use this for his advantage in future when he/she finally switch sides, today's enemy might be tomorrows friend, expecly if you plan on walking away from your former friends.
The Consular story is especially bad about this. One decision (I think on Taris) has you choose between saving one woman or a medical holocron that you're EXPLICITY TOLD will save millions, and somehow choosing to save the holocron is the dark side choice.
The Corellia / finale of the Trooper class, for me, was the best part because I finally felt I was doing something major, finally and royally kicking Imp booty. Helped that my character seemed to get so much stronger, and ever since has been dishing out much more damage.
@@Lord1453 Nonononono, I am merely trying to help zakuul. Everything else can burn for all I care, all kneel before his glorious majesty, the dragon and emperor of Zakuul and literal God, Valkorion. Nothing else matters.
General Rakton: Can you not see your corrupt and weak-minded leaders are dragging you down? Trooper: fOR the rePUbliC [Five minutes later] Supreme Chancellor: Imma trade General Rakton for civilians! Trooper: *Surprised pikachu*
The republic is surely corrupt (take a look at bounty hunter, the republic are legit attempting to murder a bounty hunter who does the crimes just because it’s just a job, it’s not personal or anything)
That's why the supreme chancellor always gets the pointy end of the lightsaber, even if I was playing the consular. I mean, you're letting one of the enemy's greatest military commanders go, just to get some boosts on your electability points? Lady, you're out of your mind.
Well, maybe she meaned what she said and just wanted to bring our boys home. Thing is, she is short sighted in this situation and doesn't see the bigger picture until Trooper puts it directly in front of her face. Good person, bad government leader.
there is one very good reason why she didnt do this to get reelected. and that is that it is the most idiotic decision any leader could ever take. this will get her a bit of positive publicity in the very short term (like for a week at most) until rakton is back on track and has commited the next genocide. then she will get blasted by the public worse than alderaan got blasted by tarkin. this wasnt out of desire to get elected, it was out of sheer idiocy.
@@hk9034 So, Sith morality is based on logic and long term gains, and Jedi morality is based on short term gains and looking like the good guy? That’s quite unexpected...
@@Vulturefist sith mortality in this game is being evil for evils sake good choices usually benefit the empire or you while the ds is just selfish shit
@@Vulturefist In this particular instance, it's a dark side choice simply because you're willingly sacrificing thousands of innocents for the cause. It's a very ruthless choice. But in terms of logic and long-term gains, neither the dark side nor the light side always presents the most logical choice, or the choice that helps you the most in the long term.
@@christophershell7564 SWTOR’s stance on mercy killing is very inconsistent. Empire Character: Finds several imperial soldiers who were subjected to experiments that implanted their brains in droids? Mercy killing them is light side because sending them back to the empire just means they get repurposed even though you can discuss potentially getting them aid to live a somewhat normal life. Jedi Knight: A character is who was forcibly turned into a Cyborg who’s free will was being overridden and was literally begging to be mercy killed. Mercy Killing them is Dark Side because there was another option to try and get the Cyborg to fight off control and seek medical help from the Republic. Smuggler: Finds woman who was forcibly injected with several diseases many of which are incurable, and begs to die. Killing them is neutral, abandoning them is dark side, getting them to seek medical aid is light side. Bounty Hunter: attempts to capture Trandosian Pirate, hears that if the Trandosian is captured he’ll lose all the hunting points central to Trandosian religion. Killing him is light side and taking him in alive is dark because you’re severely dishonoring an opponent and honor is super important.
@@InquisitorThomas idk maybe it’s based around the type of character they are, like bounty hunter killing them is considered good because they value honor (maybe) and a Jedi cause they wouldn’t give up hope (maybe), I completely agree with what you’re saying I’m just trying to make a little bit of sense out of the light/dark options
I thought it was a shame the trooper doesn’t make General at the end. He/she single handedly won the war, they should be the highest ranking person in the Republic military!
It feels like the Agent, Jedi Knight, Inquisitor, and Warrior had the most impact on the galaxy at large. Lets be fair, Jedi Knight was Kotor 3 until Fallen Empire. But Trooper still gets the job done.
Wouldn't it be better to sent the tanks against the infantry and the safecrackers against the automated defense so they could hack it and turn against the imps?
I wish you could actually have a genuine debate with Rakton instead of simply mouthing platitudes at him. Because there are genuine ups and downs to both sides
@@donbeedrill but the Empire isn’t just another Nazi clone, it is it’s own entity and without the Sith throwing a wrench into the works, the Empire is a genuine meritocracy. It’s brutal, but everyone has the chance to raise their status if they’re willing to fight for it. I still think the Republic is better, but it’s not a given. Both sides have arguments for and against
@@olorinmagus4479 Meritocracy is a thin veneer over the Empire's caste system and slavery (which is frankly not workable as a system). For a look at the Empire in action, look at how well it functions on Balmorra or literally anywhere not part of their equally dysfunctional worlds like Kaas...or Ziost.
@@user-be5kj1bw3d oh, in it’s original form yes. But post Eternal Empire it does improve a great deal. It’s not perfect, but neither is the Republic. It’s only a matter of what their flaws are. And Balmorra was a conquered world that had yet to assimilate. And even pre-eternal empire, the Sith inquisitor is basically the poster child for the Empire’s ideals. From a slave to sitting on the Dark Council
The fact that you two can have this discussion at all does lend credence to the original point. It would be interesting to see in game characters talk like this about their respective governments.
Well she did mention reading havoc squadron's file, this being darling soldier, there is loads to be scared of. Also it would be a really difficult for saresh if the situation would come to light which it would "accidentally" leaked by someone "entirely" unrelated to general Garza Finally she wouldn't want a repeat with what happened to the first Havoc squad and so would not put such a wedge between herself and the squad
@@a0point0of0view1 honestly the republic needs a complete overhaul so people like saresh cannot take power so easily, i'd recommand an alliance coup and putting satele or theron as the head of transition gov
So under normal circumstances, yes, handing over the best General of your enemy is tactically dumb. But this is the Sith Empire. When was the last time you ever heard the Sith keep Imperial officers alive after learning they failed at some vital task? In this case, holding down a key fort needed to hold the planet Corellia.
yeah but they showed that they were willing to release thousands of republic prisoners for rakton. they wouldnt do that if all rakton was to them was a glorified corpse. they wanted him back and alive.
@@philip8498 Or they did because keeping him as a Republic POW means huge cache of intelligence the Republic can use. Best get him out so they can actually behead him
In a practical situation, I'd use Rakton as part of a bargaining chip as a means of getting a ceasefire set up. Hand over a couple resource worlds under stipulations of conduct towards the populace, and organize an exchange of war criminals from both sides. Sith war criminals get sent to the republic for appropriate punishment, republic war criminals get sent over to the Sith, stuff like that. SWTOR boils down the morality system WAY too thin, to the point where it's written to be downright insulting to anyone who wants to contemplate in-universe consequences. That, among other reasons, is why I dropped that game. It also runs like molasses on any of my systems, and add that to the pay-to-progress system they have for the game.
From what I see Saresh did and will do in the future, I doubt she really care for the lives of republic prisoners. She just want reputation from "her" strategy so people especially the prisoners' family will vote her in the next election. Saresh: "Think of the countless families reunited--thousand of husbands and wives, parents and children, all brought home at last." What she meant: "Think of the countless votes from their families--thousand of husbands and wives, parents and especially children, all will be grateful to me. I could maintain my power as supreme chancellor for decades."
That’s the dark ending? By saying “hey no let’s not give the empire even more power”. Which is still being good. This is why the empire will always remain stronger.
Another Thing I noticed in this. They Never say WHAT Prisoners ur getting out. Jedi?`Soldiers? Civilians? And even then as hard as that is. Thousands on a galactic scale is incredible small. Imagine you hand the Empires biggest Human Weapon back to them for a bunch of nobodies
They were most likely soldiers and even Jedi who were left behind in the Jedi Knight's campaign, when the Hero of Tython defeated the Vitiate. I think,
I didn't "I agree" with Saresh, but I said it was her choice. So regret that, wish I'd said I quit. At least in the following conversation with Garza I said the SC was being silly.
how is a choice to keep a dangerous enemy in prison instead of releasing him to the enemy dark sided? this choice has no place being darksided. I'm rather kill him then capture him so I think I will.
the Trooper ending is the most disappointing ending in the game, unless you kill Rakton when you beat him. I just absolutely hated this ending so much. I really like the story, until this point
I disagree with the majority opinion. The Empire will always find new generals, and the fact that this one lost just shows that hes not as great as hes made out to be. Trading him saves lives, keeping him just makes him get replaced with someone else and the war goes on. Sure, maybe if another general is in charge we win a battle we would have lost against Rakton. But maybe one of the people that gets released cause us to win a battle we would have lost without them. Its all maybes, and I think the sure path to save lives is the right one.
"He doesn't do us any good rotting in a cell, does he?"
Ever heard of denying assets to the enemy, Chancellor?
Thats why politicians shouldn't play warlord.
"Why put criminals, rapists and murderers, in jail? They don't do anything good there, eh?"
We have here one of the pillars of the imperial army. It has been specified several times that he is an excellent strategist, responsible for the deaths of countless people. And that if he is released, it will probably be impossible to recapture him because the improbable situation which allowed his capture (and which cost a large number of lives) will not recur.
And ... "If we freed him, in exchange for a few thousand lives? Look, I'll give you light points!"
Seeing that the only logical, ethical and moral reaction was a "dark" choice left me speechless.
@@Konmael The dark side is probably due to fact that releasing him denies Saresh the possibility to recover thousands of Republic prisoners. Who knows, perhaps great scientist or special agents are in there too.
I think the cinematic and dialogues fail to show pragmatism in both choice so that's why the Dark one seems better
@@farseeraradrel4808 What it seems to me is that the Chancellor is trying to make herself look good in the eyes of her supporters. Save thousands while the entire galaxy, and let millions, billions, hell possibly even trillions burn away, quietly going into the night. This feels nothing more than a cheap political move.
Yes, it is sad and unfortunate that thousands of prisoners will likely be killed or worse, but there is always the chance they might be recovered later.
You know, there's a quote from a game I like from Infamous 2: "For the thousands that died, millions were gonna live." I feel like it applies well to this decision.
@@alduintheanti-dragonborn knowing saresh that's exactly what she was doing just scummy politics ruining the efforts of the military as always
“We can’t help the dead.”
Well, yeah, but you can sure as hell prevent more people from dying.
Who wants to bet the empire killed all of those prisoners they had
Saresh is easily one of my most hated NPCs in The Old Republic and playing a Trooper as my first character was a huge part of it.
Saresh as Governor of Taris wasn't bad. I have all except the Trooper and Bounty Hunter stories complete, so I'm guessing I didn't get to see the bad side of Saresh until Makeb but the trooper gets to see it sooner.
@@karlrovey I'm also guessing you haven't played KotFE and KotET either.
@@karlroveyI wish the trooper abuse stops
@pogggaming4470 I'm making progress on the Trooper story. Originally, my interest was in the force using classes. I didn't really think much of the tech classes. Eventually, that changed. And don't worry, when I get to that point in KOTET, Saresh dies (even with my light V consular and light V knight).
@aaronbeat1136 I've played through it on a few different characters. I loathe Saresh. You don't have much interaction with her until she becomes Supreme Chancellor (thanks Bounty Hunter for creating that job opening for her, just wish the hunter got a special line in KOTET saying "you should have learned from your predecessor's demise").
I like how the most LOGICAL decision is apparently the most evil xD
And yet they wonder why the old Havoc Squad became traitors.
This!!
I hate when they make good decisions a Dark Side option. This reminds me of the Vaklu scene in KOTOR 2 where killing a Tyrant is seen as bad.
It would show that Talia would continue the bloodshed. A good leader is different. But I agree that it’s still a good decision in the moment, and doesn’t necessarily mean that the people will see her that way. Sometimes in war morality won’t win.
depending on how you look at it, they actually got the idea right
dark side isnt "bad" its just emotional, prideful, principled, potentially destructive and selfish but grounded and powerful
dark-siders arent always mean and dont always refuse to help people, theyre more generally against wanton charity and generosity, believing it weakens people to be taken advantage of or grow complacent
you dont do much good helping someone so much that they cant function without you
just like light-side isnt always "good" cause its also detached, 'above' the world, submitting to the will of the force and the universe above your own goals, whimsical and while yes light-siders do think immediately of the most help and generosity they can perform to those around them they dont think of the consequences of allowing themselves to be a crutch to be leaned on
@@CaptainPrincess Admiral Trench had this very mindset, and would've been right in his assumption that since a jedi came to take him away, he would simply be sent back for a couple war prisoners. Unfortunately for him, he met Anikan who was at the time, a perfect mix of rational thinking (dark-side) and willing to still do good, in the end he didn't kill for the sake of killing, but because Trench forced his hand, but also denying his enemies of the perks of their greatest Admiral.
@@bibby659 dark side isnt the rational side its the emotional side
granted your emotions and your rationality are often deeply connected, thats the human condition
but its a characteristic of the light side to be SO rational as to elevate yourself above emotional existence and detach yourself from the world where people have to live and get by
he didnt kill trench for the sake of killing, but killing trench was definitely an emotionally driven response to the problem he presented
the RATIONAL thing to do wouldve been to take him prisoner and extract useful information, while still depriving the separatists from accessing him
outright killing him solves a lot of problems but inefficiently and leaves plenty others yet unsolved
@@CaptainPrincess but this instance, the clear good choice is eliminating the threat. a darksider would kill rakton, a lightsider imprison him. from any angle you look at it, keeping rakton in prison saves the most lives. hes more destructive than the bloody sith silencer. Rakton would in one BATTLE probably kill more than republic would gain back in prisoners. itd be like taking the silencer away only to give it right back to the empire. you don't put weapons into the hands of your enemies; not even a jedi would give a lightsaber to a street thug (literal whole clonewars episode about that responsibility), let alone the single deadliest man back to the sith, because then they would be responsible for all the deaths they caused going forward.
I played a full lightside trooper, but I chose the darkside option. How stupid do you have to be to hand one of the empire's greatest weapons back to them? It's like the supreme chancellor had a child's understanding of the military. The lightside option was just dumb.
It's a politic choice I think, she just free all of this people for her and didn't think one second of the consequences
She wanted the good publicity. To be re-elected
DNC/RINO type stupid
it really drives home the point that all the republic politicians really ARE corrupt, even the chancellor.
The common solider fights the chain of command, wich has no idea how it really is in the field.
The chain of command fights the politicians, who have no idea what is necessary to win.
The politicians fight the ignorance of the people about what is necessary to keep the country running.
I have two Troopers.
A bastard who thinks only of war and combat. Killing enemies and being praised for it makes him feel important !
A "nice" who does her duty in all circumstances.
What is completely paradoxical is that :
- the bastard chose to release him (It was a selfish choice. We don't care about the few thousand people released! What matters is that an officer, an excellent strategist, is released. Because that can only cause more war)
- the good one chose not to release him (thus saving millions, at the cost of life of a few thousand)
Often in SWTOR the Dark / Light choices are inconsistent, as the player is taken for an idiot unable to think long term.
Until we rich expansion territory, still being honest I could see this as one way to go down to road of saboter. At first trooper worked as full on patriot fully believing what pub propaganda said but once he/she saw how things really work, then he/she decides to go "along" with release of General only to use this for his advantage in future when he/she finally switch sides, today's enemy might be tomorrows friend, expecly if you plan on walking away from your former friends.
The first one shall be an Imperial high rank officer, not Republic chain dog.
The Consular story is especially bad about this. One decision (I think on Taris) has you choose between saving one woman or a medical holocron that you're EXPLICITY TOLD will save millions, and somehow choosing to save the holocron is the dark side choice.
I love this section of the mission, it feels like a TCW scene
The Corellia / finale of the Trooper class, for me, was the best part because I finally felt I was doing something major, finally and royally kicking Imp booty. Helped that my character seemed to get so much stronger, and ever since has been dishing out much more damage.
@@jdr_02 It felt like I was finally a soldier doing soldier things
I always give racton back, then again, I do everything to help the empire.
TRAITOR
For the empire/deep cover imperial intelligence asset
@@Lord1453 Nonononono, I am merely trying to help zakuul. Everything else can burn for all I care, all kneel before his glorious majesty, the dragon and emperor of Zakuul and literal God, Valkorion.
Nothing else matters.
For the empire!!!!!
And when combat styles come out I’m gonna use the operative play style for even more spy immersion.
General Rakton: Can you not see your corrupt and weak-minded leaders are dragging you down?
Trooper: fOR the rePUbliC
[Five minutes later]
Supreme Chancellor: Imma trade General Rakton for civilians!
Trooper: *Surprised pikachu*
The republic is surely corrupt (take a look at bounty hunter, the republic are legit attempting to murder a bounty hunter who does the crimes just because it’s just a job, it’s not personal or anything)
It really is one of the weirdest choice alignments in the game...
That's why the supreme chancellor always gets the pointy end of the lightsaber, even if I was playing the consular.
I mean, you're letting one of the enemy's greatest military commanders go, just to get some boosts on your electability points?
Lady, you're out of your mind.
Politicians only ever have short term thinking (aka the next election)
Well, maybe she meaned what she said and just wanted to bring our boys home. Thing is, she is short sighted in this situation and doesn't see the bigger picture until Trooper puts it directly in front of her face. Good person, bad government leader.
there is one very good reason why she didnt do this to get reelected. and that is that it is the most idiotic decision any leader could ever take. this will get her a bit of positive publicity in the very short term (like for a week at most) until rakton is back on track and has commited the next genocide. then she will get blasted by the public worse than alderaan got blasted by tarkin. this wasnt out of desire to get elected, it was out of sheer idiocy.
That's politicians for ya...
how is that dark side, i was playing full light sided trooper, but that last choice was better
Jedi morality vs Sith morality.
@@hk9034 So, Sith morality is based on logic and long term gains, and Jedi morality is based on short term gains and looking like the good guy? That’s quite unexpected...
@@Vulturefist Nah jedi morality is based on making sacrifices and discarding emotions over practical examples.
@@Vulturefist sith mortality in this game is being evil for evils sake good choices usually benefit the empire or you while the ds is just selfish shit
@@Vulturefist In this particular instance, it's a dark side choice simply because you're willingly sacrificing thousands of innocents for the cause. It's a very ruthless choice. But in terms of logic and long-term gains, neither the dark side nor the light side always presents the most logical choice, or the choice that helps you the most in the long term.
Havoc Squad, nearly dying for the 1000th time: Here we got the dude you're looking for.
Chancellor: Catch and release
Havoc Squad:
Let me fill that in
You’re a slow learner
I always hated saresh from the start that's why in all my playthroughs if I ever meet saresh I always choose dark side options
That's honestly a good rule of thumb.
rule number 1 in swtor: if saresh tells you to do something, punch her. if she tells you to not do something, punch her and then do it anyways
I just killed Rakton without even blinking. Avoids that ridiculous choice entirely.
Still a war crime
How do they dare put this as a dark side choice ? HOW ?
Killing someone to spare them from Imperial torture (the General) is darkside too.
@@christophershell7564 SWTOR’s stance on mercy killing is very inconsistent.
Empire Character: Finds several imperial soldiers who were subjected to experiments that implanted their brains in droids? Mercy killing them is light side because sending them back to the empire just means they get repurposed even though you can discuss potentially getting them aid to live a somewhat normal life.
Jedi Knight: A character is who was forcibly turned into a Cyborg who’s free will was being overridden and was literally begging to be mercy killed. Mercy Killing them is Dark Side because there was another option to try and get the Cyborg to fight off control and seek medical help from the Republic.
Smuggler: Finds woman who was forcibly injected with several diseases many of which are incurable, and begs to die. Killing them is neutral, abandoning them is dark side, getting them to seek medical aid is light side.
Bounty Hunter: attempts to capture Trandosian Pirate, hears that if the Trandosian is captured he’ll lose all the hunting points central to Trandosian religion. Killing him is light side and taking him in alive is dark because you’re severely dishonoring an opponent and honor is super important.
@@InquisitorThomas idk maybe it’s based around the type of character they are, like bounty hunter killing them is considered good because they value honor (maybe) and a Jedi cause they wouldn’t give up hope (maybe), I completely agree with what you’re saying I’m just trying to make a little bit of sense out of the light/dark options
Jedi become Jedi Master. Sith become Darth. Trooper will stay as Major. WOW
How about a promotion, Jesus, what more do you have to do? Conquer Kaas city?
Nope you just gotta be frozen for 5 years and have the Republic be under seige and Saresh becoming a dictator who tries to murder you
The fact this was considered a dark side choice is baffling.
The chancellor is one of the most unlikeable characters in the game, I can think of several sith that have a better moral compass than her.
I hate her
Good.........soldiers...follow orders.
I like the previous chancellor at least he removed my wanted status as a bounty hunter
Like Darth Marr?
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I never liked alot of morality systems in games. To often being good means being someone else's little bitch or never thinking long term good
that's swtor to you
Like one of the "good" choices is to encourage soldiers to desert on Taris like wtf
I thought it was a shame the trooper doesn’t make General at the end. He/she single handedly won the war, they should be the highest ranking person in the Republic military!
I played as a (mostly) light side trooper and chose this ending. The fact that this is considered the “dark side” ending still irks me.
It feels like the Agent, Jedi Knight, Inquisitor, and Warrior had the most impact on the galaxy at large. Lets be fair, Jedi Knight was Kotor 3 until Fallen Empire. But Trooper still gets the job done.
the Trooper is a Solider nothing more nothing less, and didn't the Bounty Hunter kill the Supreme Chancellor?
lol how the inquisitor does fuck all and its just fucking ghost hunting ffs bounty hunter half way in does more work then that class
@@deman182or forces him to retire, depends on the alignment your playing😊
when you disarm an enemy after they rob you, you dont trade the gun back to them inexchange for your stuff.
That's.... The logical side, not the dark side.
This is tough. Free innocence who you have a duty to? Or keep the villain imprisoned and serve justice to those who lost loved ones? Oof.
Wouldn't it be better to sent the tanks against the infantry and the safecrackers against the automated defense so they could hack it and turn against the imps?
I wish you could actually have a genuine debate with Rakton instead of simply mouthing platitudes at him. Because there are genuine ups and downs to both sides
Milquetoast liberal democracy or autocratic fascism not much to glean from that debate
@@donbeedrill but the Empire isn’t just another Nazi clone, it is it’s own entity and without the Sith throwing a wrench into the works, the Empire is a genuine meritocracy. It’s brutal, but everyone has the chance to raise their status if they’re willing to fight for it. I still think the Republic is better, but it’s not a given. Both sides have arguments for and against
@@olorinmagus4479 Meritocracy is a thin veneer over the Empire's caste system and slavery (which is frankly not workable as a system). For a look at the Empire in action, look at how well it functions on Balmorra or literally anywhere not part of their equally dysfunctional worlds like Kaas...or Ziost.
@@user-be5kj1bw3d oh, in it’s original form yes. But post Eternal Empire it does improve a great deal. It’s not perfect, but neither is the Republic. It’s only a matter of what their flaws are. And Balmorra was a conquered world that had yet to assimilate. And even pre-eternal empire, the Sith inquisitor is basically the poster child for the Empire’s ideals. From a slave to sitting on the Dark Council
The fact that you two can have this discussion at all does lend credence to the original point. It would be interesting to see in game characters talk like this about their respective governments.
The chancellor caved too easily, it must be a trick.
Well she did mention reading havoc squadron's file, this being darling soldier, there is loads to be scared of. Also it would be a really difficult for saresh if the situation would come to light which it would "accidentally" leaked by someone "entirely" unrelated to general Garza
Finally she wouldn't want a repeat with what happened to the first Havoc squad and so would not put such a wedge between herself and the squad
@@a0point0of0view1 honestly the republic needs a complete overhaul so people like saresh cannot take power so easily, i'd recommand an alliance coup and putting satele or theron as the head of transition gov
Funny how the Dark Side is typically the Logical Option lol
Your trooper remind me of hawke from Dragon age 2
Holy shit they had to be intentionally making that woman be incompetent.
Yes she's power hungry and incompetent basically a giant anti republic ad
So under normal circumstances, yes, handing over the best General of your enemy is tactically dumb. But this is the Sith Empire. When was the last time you ever heard the Sith keep Imperial officers alive after learning they failed at some vital task? In this case, holding down a key fort needed to hold the planet Corellia.
yeah but they showed that they were willing to release thousands of republic prisoners for rakton. they wouldnt do that if all rakton was to them was a glorified corpse. they wanted him back and alive.
@@philip8498 Or they did because keeping him as a Republic POW means huge cache of intelligence the Republic can use. Best get him out so they can actually behead him
In a practical situation, I'd use Rakton as part of a bargaining chip as a means of getting a ceasefire set up. Hand over a couple resource worlds under stipulations of conduct towards the populace, and organize an exchange of war criminals from both sides. Sith war criminals get sent to the republic for appropriate punishment, republic war criminals get sent over to the Sith, stuff like that.
SWTOR boils down the morality system WAY too thin, to the point where it's written to be downright insulting to anyone who wants to contemplate in-universe consequences. That, among other reasons, is why I dropped that game. It also runs like molasses on any of my systems, and add that to the pay-to-progress system they have for the game.
"I am not exchanging a general for a soldier."
©Joseph Stalin
From what I see Saresh did and will do in the future, I doubt she really care for the lives of republic prisoners. She just want reputation from "her" strategy so people especially the prisoners' family will vote her in the next election.
Saresh: "Think of the countless families reunited--thousand of husbands and wives, parents and children, all brought home at last."
What she meant: "Think of the countless votes from their families--thousand of husbands and wives, parents and especially children, all will be grateful to me. I could maintain my power as supreme chancellor for decades."
I just executed Rakton on sight, he umm, resisted arrest.
Sometimes Dark Side options just rationally Good Side
When did Light Side choices become Naive?
Always has been
That’s the dark ending? By saying “hey no let’s not give the empire even more power”. Which is still being good. This is why the empire will always remain stronger.
and to think this was a hint at Saresh's stupidity as we will see more of it on ziost and the eternal throne
Never take him alive... If I do that trooper again... knowing what happens next he dies.
It's a solid moment, but the VO for the female trooper is way better.
THIS was a darkside option? As in, the most logical way to proceed is considered evil? WTF writers?
Another Thing I noticed in this.
They Never say WHAT Prisoners ur getting out. Jedi?`Soldiers? Civilians? And even then as hard as that is. Thousands on a galactic scale is incredible small. Imagine you hand the Empires biggest Human Weapon back to them for a bunch of nobodies
They were most likely soldiers and even Jedi who were left behind in the Jedi Knight's campaign, when the Hero of Tython defeated the Vitiate. I think,
And this, is when you began to realize how bad Saresh was when it comes to making decisions.
Exactly.
This stupid outcome is why I always kill Rakton now rather than take him alive, which, interestingly, is a neutral choice
You can feel the venom in General Garza's voice when she says good day to the chancellor XD
Old havoc squad was right.
Mercilessness is the wise's kindness.
Can we get a single yike for the missed screenshot XD
I actually killed Rakton, never really got this light side or dark side choice.
You know... this is probably one of the very few times a dark side choice in a Republic faction playthrough makes sense.
I didn't "I agree" with Saresh, but I said it was her choice. So regret that, wish I'd said I quit. At least in the following conversation with Garza I said the SC was being silly.
I didn't believe that choices in Dialog would effect the outcome, so i also took the neutral one. Should have taken the "eViL" choice
Thats one big Trooper lol
The Screenshots made me laugh
THAT'S the dark side ending? Wooof. So glad I didn't waste my time on that one. x_x
that chest piece is fire tho..
So the good ending is counter productive
What are you talking about? More war for everybody!
The chancellor reminds me a lot of a certain joe what his face the dood with the face... u know what I mean cmon man
Damn The General Garza got some Cake & T H I C C too
ahh yes, Big Daddy Warcrimes in action
I've never seen this. I always kill him. ive made 5 troopers, never once did I let them go. thanks for posting
RIP on that screenshot
civilians who die during the mission are colleteral damage
Gray is the best alignment, sometimes being too good is a bad thing and sometimes a little bad is the sensible thing to do.
That wasn't even dark sided. You twisted her arm a little so she didn't get a bunch of people killed.
I like how the darkside option is the good option as tho obeying big brother as if letting them do whatever retarded shit they want was a good thing!
I killed him in second play through just to piss her off.
that's less of a dark side choice its more of a grey area.
How'd you get your Elara to look like that?
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I actually wonder how your companions feel (as in approve is disapprove)
Tell me you know nothing about military strategy without telling me you know nothing about military strategy. Sarresh will go first.
this makes me want an xcom style star wars game soooo bad
I mean the empire could have turned some of them into sleeper agents to.
I don't understand how keeping Rakton in custody is dark side, but ok
how is a choice to keep a dangerous enemy in prison instead of releasing him to the enemy dark sided? this choice has no place being darksided. I'm rather kill him then capture him so I think I will.
Why does the general salute the major so damn much
As a former drill instructor the wiggle wobble whip salute is physically painful to watch
What armor is that? The soulder pads are huge, i've been looking for something that big.
Remnant Resurrected ( swtorista.com/armor/remnant-resurrected-trooper ) and helmet remnant-dreadguard-trooper ( swtorista.com/armor/remnant-dreadguard-trooper
@@Lord1453 much appreciated!
I think I killed the guy. IDK been awhile since I finished a trooper playthru
That being considered a Dark Side option is legitimately insane. Who wrote this crap?
Probably someone who likes to have the status quo
the Trooper ending is the most disappointing ending in the game, unless you kill Rakton when you beat him. I just absolutely hated this ending so much. I really like the story, until this point
yoo what armor is that? the helmet looks sick
Imagine playing a male Trooper 😳
What armor is that?
Remnant Resurrected ( swtorista.com/armor/remnant-resurrected-trooper ) and helmet remnant-dreadguard-trooper ( swtorista.com/armor/remnant-dreadguard-trooper )
@@Lord1453 you look like a 40k space marine
@@Corsair2092gaming For the GOD EMPEROR
How is that the dark side ending when that is the right choice.
Which armor set is that? I’m a bit rusty
Remnant Resurrected ( swtorista.com/armor/remnant-resurrected-trooper ) and helmet remnant-dreadguard-trooper ( swtorista.com/armor/remnant-dreadguard-trooper
What armor set is this? Is it a trooper specific set?
Remnant Resurrected ( swtorista.com/armor/remnant-resurrected-trooper ) and helmet remnant-dreadguard-trooper ( swtorista.com/armor/remnant-dreadguard-trooper )
I disagree with the majority opinion. The Empire will always find new generals, and the fact that this one lost just shows that hes not as great as hes made out to be.
Trading him saves lives, keeping him just makes him get replaced with someone else and the war goes on. Sure, maybe if another general is in charge we win a battle we would have lost against Rakton. But maybe one of the people that gets released cause us to win a battle we would have lost without them. Its all maybes, and I think the sure path to save lives is the right one.
The alignments in this game are sometimes just complete bs
Is Rakton the same voice actor as Harkun?
yes
what is this armor?
Remnant Resurrected ( swtorista.com/armor/remnant-resurrected-trooper ) and helmet remnant-dreadguard-trooper ( swtorista.com/armor/remnant-dreadguard-trooper
anyone know the name of this armor set?
Remnant Resurrected - swtorista.com/armor/remnant-resurrected-trooper
helmet remnant-dreadguard-trooper- swtorista.com/armor/remnant-dreadguard-trooper
What armor set are you wearing???
swtorista.com/armor/remnant-resurrected-trooper
swtorista.com/armor/remnant-dreadguard-trooper
Hawke?
Armor?