My bearing caps were also missing. Rapido replaced them. I wasn't super happy with this model either. For Rapido it should of been top notch. Good review.
I really think if they're going to do rotating end caps, that they should throw a few extras into the parts bag like ScaleTrains and some others do. I'd rather not have the rotating end cap feature than have a model arrive with missing parts. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi I agree. Wanted to share that the Rio Grande model number boards light with the headlight. Now why couldn't they do that with the SP model. Poor designing, Shame on Rapido for that one.
As usual, an outstanding review. This model was on my "nice to have, but do I really need it?" list. Thanks for saving me $225. Your videos are priceless.
Rapido appears to have lost its way. Perhaps they have grown too quickly and are trying to do too much with too little. Reputations take time and effort to build, and they can be lost very quickly. Thank you for this highly detailed review. Rapido may complain, but you are doing them a favor.
It's possible, and I can see why you'd say that, but on the other hand, it might be a blip, and they've made products that were sort of duds before, it's not like they've ever been a company that never screws up... I'd be more worried about Athearn going downhill (SD60M fiasco, loss of in-house talent and rumors of discord, weird typos in their flyers, etc), personally. Where I think your "too much with too little" comment definitely hits home is that Rapido tried to do waaaaay too many roadnames of SWs in this first run -- they admit as much -- and quality may have suffered as a result.
I agree with your thoughts regarding Athearn and believe they suffer from being only a small contributor to their parent, Horizon Hobby. For example, why does Athearn continue to use those silly plastic clips to secure wires to the decoder. Mother boards and 21-pin MTC decoders represent a better, more reliable approach. Getting back to Rapido, I like their spirit and innovation and want them to succeed. However, a product whiff like the SW1200 makes me feel they neither respect nor value my support. God help them if the screw up the E units. Thanks for considering my thoughts and taking the time share yours.
A lot of interesting thoughts here. I don't have any insider information about any of the model making companies, so I can only go by the products that I buy and review to make judgments. I do think they could have done a better job with this one. I almost bought one of those new Athearn SD60Ms but decided against it... maybe that was a good thing. Thanks for watching!
It would be nice to see at least the sill issue corrected, though I don't think I have any special influence with Rapido or any other companies. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for not pulling any punches on your reviews. That's a lot of money for a model with detail and decoder issues. I also noticed the front stack seemed to be leaning slightly toward the cab. I feel Athearn would have done a much better job if they modeled this locomotive.
Thanks for the feedback. I intend to keep the review format since most people seem to appreciate it. Thanks for watching! @John Floyd - I mentioned it in the review, but the MSRP for the DC version is $225.
That makes sense and for the price that’s a fair expectation. I don’t know much about SP or little switchers like these. Is the SP an obscure prototypes or is this pretty standard for an SW12000?
I was just about to order one from ModelTrainStuff. Thank goodness I watched this review first. Excellent job reviewing this model. Thanks for the honesty.
I've done that with a couple other Rapido engines I had, and was able to fix that particular issue. Since it's basically just software, this seems like one of the easiest things they could fix on this model. Thanks for watching!
Very detailed reviews! I enjoy watching them, however I do not use dcc locomotives, but I would like to see you run some of these in your videos and note how they roll and how they can handle curves
I'm glad you like the reviews. I've been thinking about doing that kind of thing. When I get my layout started I plan to add more real world tests to the reviews. It's hard to do that right now since I don't have a permanent setup in HO. Thanks for the suggestion and for watching!
I really like your reviews. I un-subbed last year thinking I was getting away from HO, but am getting pulled in again. I loved SP as a kid and probably saw these SW1200 locos hundreds of times growing up in the old T&NO area. I nearly bought this Rapido and am grateful I didn't after watching your review. Thanks for being so thorough! Re-subbed! 🙂
Welcome back! I'm glad you found the review helpful. I also do N scale, and many of the videos on this channel can apply to multiple scales. Thanks for watching!
This was on my "wish" list of switchers but not anymore. In addition to the flaws Dan pointed out in the review, I also have some problems with fit and finish on certain details. The stacks, primarily the lead stack is tilted back instead of being straight and SP light packages, primarily the lead seem to be tilted which could cause the light rays to point more downward rather than straight ahead. Mind you there is a possibility these issues may not be present on other examples but were present on the model Dan used for review. I'm by no means a die-hard rivet counter, however, I strive for my models to be as accurate as possible. I'll let some MINOR detail inaccuracies slide, but when there's this many, coupled with a major flaw (the triangular brace plates), it ruins what could have been an absolute home-run of a model. Sorry Rapido, no dice on this one.
I had emailed their tech support after having watching your review on the RS11. I was told at the same a fix would be released shortly.....still waiting for them to put out that fix.
Once again Dan thanks for your review hats off to you it’s really sad that rapido is making these mistakes but I love the humor in there Advertisements but yeah they shouldn’t be shipping the switches with that many problemsThanks again
I'm glad you liked the review. I don't mind the humor but I'd rather have a model with fewer issues. If it were as good as I was hoping it would be, then the humor would be a lot funnier. Thanks for watching!
At this price point, I think the level of review given is completely appropriate. The thickness of the coupler lift bar stuck out to me as soon as you pulled it out of the box. Yikes! I like Rapido as a company. But maybe less horsing around, and more attention to detail would be beneficial. Thanks!
Your reviews are objective and refreshing. You are also more than generous as it is quite apparent you could have taken off even more points than you did. I love Rapido, but they still have a long way to go when it comes to quality control. Unacceptable given how much their products cost.
I'm glad you like the reviews. Rapido has had quality issues that I'd like to see them address in future releases. I'd also like it if they would not build a model with a major hard to fix error, like the triangles on the sill on this model. They have all the elements of an outstanding company, they just need to be a little more thorough. Thanks for watching!
Good call Dan, you are like me as I would rather buy a cheaper Athearn and detail it for Conrail as you do for your favorite SP and SF!!! We can get closer to what we want for half the cash!!! Heck that WP switcher you built was sweet and cheaper, Conrails mainstay was SW1500s and SW7s and some Calfs so they are easy to model!!! Man you need to start grabbing lumber while the prices are down, because it might not last long!!!
I have a couple Proto 2000 SW1200s that I'd like to do something with. Switchers are cool. I wish I could have liked this one more. You're right that with some work, older models can be every bit as nice as new ones. Thanks for watching!
Excellent unbiased review,I bought the same model which had a missing bearing cap and function 10 brake didn't work so I returned it to the retailer for a refund.This was the first Rapido model I have tried and I was very disappointed with it especially as in the UK it's a very expensive item.
You know it's just the retailer that loses when you do that though right? If they're really good they'll test/inspect and attempt to re-sell it as used to get back as much money as they can towards it. Otherwise they'll just pretend it's still brand new and sell it to some other sucker in hopes they don't notice or don't open it for a while. Either way it doesn't cost the manufacturer anything. I guess with enough returned ones we re-consider selling a certain brand's products, but then you're just the dealer who doesn't sell the brands customers are wanting and they shop elsewhere.
@Tony Wright I'm glad you liked the review. Several Rapido models that I've reviewed have had the same brake issue. I was able to fix it in one case by tweaking the decoder CVs, and in another by loading in a new sound file. I haven't tried to fix this one, but likely it would be one or the other. Still, it shouldn't have to be done. I haven't tried returning my model, but it may end up on eBay at some point. Thanks for watching! @D-Rail I rarely return models to the dealer. Years ago I returned one to a hobby shop, and more recently I returned a really bad model to an online retailer. I can see how it probably wouldn't directly impact the manufacturer. However, if a model maker consistently puts out substandard products, then demand for those products may decrease. Thanks for watching!
Dan a review is supposed to let us the other modelers aware of locomotives that we save to buy and if they are flawed we should know about those issues, so be harsh if other models don't appreciate that, well sucks to be them. Thank you for your honesty.
I don't know what to say. I watch your reviews because you are so thorough. I particularly like that you show some of the steps needed to remediate some of the issues. Like the oversized breaker bars. Its one of the reasons for years I've been hesitant to buy Atlas stuff. Things like windshield wipers being too big. And not that hard to fix. But it bothered me such easy fixes were ignored for so long. That said, I like to run trains. Blue or bright white headlights bother me more. I am looking for general look and feel rather than exactness. Little details like the wrong lift ring.... meh. But I still keep coming back. Always enjoy what you have to say.
I'm generally not too bothered by small details that can be replaced with better aftermarket parts, like the wipers and such on some Atlas models. And for myself I often redo the lighting anyway. Like you said, easy fixes. Big things that require a lot of work to fix, like the triangular plates near the steps on this model, are a whole different story. It's not like it's difficult to find photos of these things, or even take measurements since there are a lot of them still around. I really don't see how that kind of error can happen if model makers do their homework. Thanks for watching!
Great with this thorough assessment of this engine. And I was planning on picking one up this Friday and do a quick review on it, but thanks for the heads up! I know not every model Rapido comes out with will not be perfect, nor top notch, but I hope that they see this as a teachable moment in quality; especially with that high price tag! All this time I've been waiting over a year now for them Metro North Commuter Railroad Comet commuter cars, with the waiting and price, when I do my review on them, they best be accurate and of top quality! After this review if they are watching, going forward, I expect nothing less!!!!! Great review Dan!
I'm glad you liked the review. I don't know how similar they will be, but I'm also working on a review of a Rapido HO Amtrak Horizon coach. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi Thanks Daniel and Thank you very much for replying to my comment. I would love if you could take a quick look at my page and any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Very nice and honest review. I like that you are hard in your reviews, this way I can pick and choose which details/flaws are for me. I almost bought this model, I don’t think I will now. And to think that Rapido have an Espee modeler in their ranks....mmmm
I'm glad you like the format and found the review helpful. I didn't know Rapido had someone working there who is an SP fan. Really makes the errors in this one a puzzler. Thanks for watching!
The B36-7 were very accurate and got much better score from Dan. Not all Rapido is crappy. I think they rushed this release and tried to do too many railroads at once.
@Daniel, I too found the errors in this model quite disappointing. Thanks for all "adjustment" tips. I really helps. Here are some of the problems I found with the loco: 1. Both of the head and rear light stands are mounted crooked. 2. The horn is bent downward. (I fixed that luckily) 3. The number boards do not light up, as you pointed out. 4. The manual suggests that both F11 and F16 turn on/off the cab lights. This is confusing. Upon try this on one throttle (A) it corresponds to F16. When I use a 2nd throttle (different throttle id) it corresponds to F11. It would be most favorable if only one function controlled the cab lights. 5. When I turn off the gyro-light the cab lights go out. Unexpected behavior. 6. F19 is to turn off the number boards. However the number boards never come ON. NO know function to turn them on., as you pointed out. 7. A pair of sun shades are included with “guide pins”. There is, however, no holes in the side of the cab for the guide pins to fit into, as you pointed out. 8. A pair of footboards are included. However there are no holes in the front of the loco to accept the footboard guide pins , as you pointed out SP did not come with them. 9. No parts schematic is included 10. There was no antenna on mine
I really feel like this one had too many issues. The function key assignment oddities can be fixed with programming, but it's still extra work. Thanks for the extra info and for watching!
Love the speed at which you review...I am busy, don't have a lot of time and you "blaze" thru the comments nice and quick ...much appreciated. I purchased this model and when I set it on the track an annoying "Forrest Gump" movie quote kept playing over and over....It is not mentioned anywhere in the literature but function keys F-21 is Forrest gump quote and F-22 is Ferris Bueler movie quote. I desperately contacted Rapido tech support for a solution and they knew nothing about the two movie quotes or how to turn them off...after hours of attempts, I stumbled upon the two Function Keys and finally got the movie quotes turned off....Rapido's tech support suggestion was perform F8 factory reset to destroy all my CV settings and that might get the quotes turned off??!!.....I would give a -10 points for that....very frustrating
I didn't experiment with the high numbered function keys, so I missed that. Rapido often puts stuff like that in their sound files. Some of their models have Star Trek noises. It's cute for a minute but I agree that it's out of place and can be annoying after that minute (or less). If you have a LokProgrammer you can load a different sound file which will likely take care of it. You could also reprogram the function key assignments so those sounds will never be triggered. Thanks for watching!
That's a great idea! When I'm detailing a model myself I often just put the antenna base on the model with nothing, or sometimes with some very fine wire. The hair would be less likely to be a skin poker, though. Thanks for the suggestion!
I'm far from a "rivet counter" as people would say, specially because I don't have the money for it. (Don't take this the wrong way Dan, you're in no shape or form a rivet counter, just so people don't get the wrong idea). and I think you're justified on being harsh on a model like this specially because of its absurd price tag, for that much a model should come out of the box straight to the rails without any work needing to be done. Some of the errors you showed are just "gross" and have no place in a model for that price.
I agree. The triangular plates are the real deal breaker for me, as that is a big project to fix. For this price, a model shouldn't be a project. Thanks for watching!
Excellent model product review as always, this is an attractive looking switcher locomotive but with viewing all of the detail & performance flaws along with a price tag of $270-$300, i am not in a rush to purchase this model. This sw1200 switcher model is interesting but features many visual appearance and operation issues that need to be corrected & eliminated- Tom.
I always enjoy your honest reviews. I think the manufacturers need to put a little more effort into accuracy of their models for the price we are paying.
I agree. It's one thing when the usual stuff like coupler height comes up, but having the design be wrong is another thing altogether. There are a lot of photos of these things, too, which makes it even harder to understand how they could get something so wrong. Thanks for watching!
One thing we can honestly say about your reviews: you clearly are NOT in the pocket of any manufacturer! (I have yet to find another reviewer who could say the same. We know you pay for your stuff so that permits you tell the truth. The minute any kind of “freebie” or other incentive is given the review will end up distorted. So thanks!)
The fact that Dan is not in any one’s pocket is one of his greatest attributes when doing a review. Well stated struck2 soon. Thank you Dan for the heads up on this Rapido model. I wait for a better option or detail an older model.
I think so far there's only been one model I've gotten as a free review sample on this channel, and that was a kit. I've been told that my review methods should be changed if I want to get free models. I'm not worried about that, though. I'm going to keep doing things the same way. Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi if they were giving you models you would be obliged to not say bad things about them. Then we would just end up with soap-sud reviews the same as James Wright does, which don’t drill down to the nitty-gritty. In other words pointless!
I contacted Rapido when I received mine. According to them the number boards on this model could not light up as there isn't a small enough LED available. Considering the price, I agree more stringent quality controls should be put in place before the final production run.
I realize that doing custom work is different from making a production model, but there are 603 and 402 surface mount LEDs that are plenty small enough to fit inside the number board housings on this model. I've used them in tight situations many times. Quality control seems to be a recurring issue in a lot of newer high-detail models. Thanks for watching!
Good review Dan. If I can get my hands on one of these I'll use your review to get it up to snuff. I love SP equipment and when John Abatacola did the review of the MP15DC I just had to have one. My one concern is the triangular pilot skirts being too small. If brought back to proper size wouldn't this restrict the allowable radius track it could handle ? You really know your stuff ! Bob M.
I am not sure if the triangular pieces would interfere with the truck swing or not. The old Proto 2000 SW1200 model has the correct shaped triangles and it works okay, but of course that's a different chassis. Some manufacturers try to get their equipment to handle super tight curves. I'm not sure if that was what Rapido was thinking or if they just missed that detail. I decided fixing that issue was too much work for an expensive model, so I sold mine. Good luck with your project and thanks for watching!
Very disappointing. This could have been a terrific model, and the manufacturer should know that modelers, especially SP modelers would pay attention to accuracy, upgradability, and function. As a boy growing up in West Los Angeles, my friends and I would “hop” the Santa Monica local at night instead of taking the bus, or riding our bikes. For several years, SW-1200s would be on point, although replaced by SW-1500s later on…
Yes, I've noticed that SP modelers (myself included) seem to be especially interested in having correct details. I love switchers, so this one was more than a little bit of a let down. That sounds cool that you got to seem them when you were younger. Thanks for watching!
Rapido is notorious for using CN or CP detailing for models and then apply American Railroads to it without modifications. It looks like they used a CN or CP detailed SW1200 with Southern Pacific markings. This was evident in their Pullman dining car release which offered a Union Pacific Pullman dining car. The Union Pacific did not operate Pullman dining cars
From a marketing point of view, I understand why some manufacturers paint freight cars and such in schemes that aren't accurate for the model, because they know they can sell them to people who like a particular railroad. I really dislike the practice on higher-end models, which are generally expected to be more accurate (and advertised as such). That's what we're paying for after all. And using a Canadian sill on a US prototype switcher just seems like laziness. Thanks for watching!
I bought two of these because I love the bloody nose scheme. I am going to have them repainted for the Pittsburgh and Shawmut which has a different design so I wasn't too worried about the accuracy of the Southern version However, finding out from the comments that the reader boards don't light up is a major disappointment and should have been disclosed in bold in the original selling description. Also, as a aside Rapido Customer Service is at present non existent. Before purchasing these two I purchased two in the Great Northern scheme and sent them to someone else to repaint and he did not only a terrible job but caused damage as well. I wanted to see if I could buy new shells from Rapido but if you try calling them it goes directly to voicemail and they say that they aren't taking calls and you can't leave a voicemail. Multiple emails and online requests in the last month have gone unanswered as well. When I think of all of the people like me that need support and can't get it I get both mad and sick to my stomach.
I've found a couple of Rapido's recent releases to be disappointing. I hope they can get their act together. I haven't tried contacting them the way you did, and it sounds like they could use some work in that area as well. Parts availability is an issue with a lot of models these days. Limited production seems to also mean that there are little or no spare parts produced. Some companies like Atlas keep at least some parts and shells in stock. It would be nice if everyone did that. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi Thanks so much for responding. You are doing a great service to the hobby with your reviews. I have since found out that they are having both software upgrade and staffing issues which now explains the lack to date of a response.
I almost bought one of the Walthers models to review. I'm pretty sure the Walthers models are based on the old Proto 2000 SW9/1200 tooling. I have a couple of those, not SP but just the standard versions, and they're very good models overall. I may go with my original plan and build one of those into an SP unit. Thanks for watching!
I think most people who buy higher-end models want accuracy and a lot of detail, so that there's nothing really to do to the model. When an expensive model falls short, it's disappointing. Thanks for watching!
It took me some time to find your videos, but here I am. Nice review! Hope you can make a review from German locos (Roco, Brawa, Trix) as those are really nice machines
Thanks for finding the channel! I don't have any German prototype equipment, except for a couple Marklin Z engines that I'm using to make Nn3 narrow gauge steam locomotives. Some of the European models are really cool, though. Thanks for watching!
That’s a lot of issues for a $335 retail product. I agree with just about everything you said. I did buy 3 of Rapido’s B36-7 units when released and they look pretty good, but I don’t like how they make it so difficult to take the shell off yourself if you need to make any repairs or swap decoders
I have been opening up some of the models I review lately, but I didn't take the shell off this model because the process described in the manual seemed like a lot of work. I have two of the B36-7s, one SP. I reviewed them both on this channel if you haven't seen those yet. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi Good News. Walthers Proto recently announced a run of SW1200s in HO scale with SP being one of the road names. Thought this would interest you.
I have not contacted Rapido as yet. To be honest I was so disappointed with this model that I just put the box in a closet and haven't looked at it since. Thanks for watching!
I didn't open up this engine because it looked like quite a job to do so, and unfortunately no exploded view drawings are included in the instructions. There is a section for them on the Rapido website, but it says "coming soon". So I'm not sure what style of decoder connector they used. Sorry I can't be of more help on this one. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi that’s okay. Thank you for the information you could give. The model does look good and I have to hunt down a generic looking one to repaint in the Reading Lines style.
LOL, you used to say that the manual contained "some of Rapido's usual humor," but now it's "attempts at humor" -- ouch! Seriously, a welcome review, thanks as always for your honest insight. I hope their recently-announced Speed Lettering B36-7 is more to your liking!
You caught that! Even though the speed lettering works perfectly for my 1990s era, I might skip the next run of B36-7s. I am starting to try to think about how many GE 4-axle units I really need. I have one B36-7 that I reviewed a while back, I'm building a B30-7 as part of my SP consist build, and I also have an Atlas B23-7 in SP. We'll see how I feel when they're released, but I don't have any on pre-order. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi Haha, yeah, I guess you wouldn't need four B-Boats for a Donner Pass layout... if it were a Pine Bluff engine terminal layout or something, sure, sure, but not Donner Pass...
Hello Dan! Along with Rapido Trains why aren't there perfect manufacturers build perfect models without errors? What'll happen if Rapido Trains Inc. and the competition had made perfect trains?
If the trains were perfect then they'd get a 100 point perfect score! So far I've only had two or three of those. I don't really know why models end up having errors. I can understand how things like coupler height could be off because someone goofed up a little during the assembly process. But with modern CAD and 3D scans and such, I don't understand how the design of the model can be wrong (like the triangles I mention in this review). Thanks for watching!
😱 That's the lowest score i have seen since i regularly view your channel! I know that coupler was messed up in height I liked the brown rust detail. I guess RAPIDO didn't use KADEE GRAPHITE DRY GREASEM. Its a fine looking engine but you knew best of its historic or current details. I found it hilarious when you blew the horn & you said:" That doesn't sound right (correct) 🤣🤣. Someone really goofed up the details including the sunshades. I would use metal as well. I agree with your score. I enjoyed viewing this as always. 👋👋👋👋
I would probably go with the Proto 2000. I have a couple of those. Granted, they're not as detailed, but the body shell is good and basically correct. Details can always be added. Thanks for watching!
I believe you are correct that it's a LokSound 5. I wouldn't object to having to set it up, if the manual said that's what you needed to do. Personally I don't really use the brake function, but I know a lot of people like it. I've had this same problem with two other Rapido locomotives, and I really think it's something they should address. Or change the manual so that it doesn't lead you to believe that it should just work. Thanks for watching!
I did a review of two of those, one CSX and one SP a while back. They had a few issues but not as many as the SW1200. I am kind of leaning that way myself, though. I'm not sure I want to buy any more locomotives from Rapido. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi yes I did see that video also when you did the Rapido F40PH. That was the first rapido I brought in Amtrak ph3 as delivered and it was great engine. I think you gave it a perfect score.
I usually buy model trains either online or at a hobby shop. Unfortunately models like this one tend to sell out quickly. Sometimes you can find them on eBay. I hope I answered your question and thanks for watching!
The front end is bent slightly. I kind of mentioned it when I talked about having to file the coupler mounting pad at an angle to get the Kadee replacement couplers to come out at the right height. I probably could have taken more points for that issue. Thanks for catching that!
Disappointing model considering Rapido claims they want to model perfection or nothing in my email correspondence with them. Can you do a review on the new Walthers Mainline Mechanical PFE reefers? Body wobble is out of this world!
It is disappointing when a model is touted as being super accurate and then it shows up with obvious errors. I'll see about the PFE cars. Those would fit into my theme so they might be a candidate for purchasing. Thanks for watching!
I didn't call that out in the video. There were so many things with this one. This engine had enough issues that I decided not to keep it. It belongs to someone else now. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi that sucks. Rapido's quality control is kinda sad on American products where as on most of the Canadian stuff they seem to be pretty good. Scale Trains and Athearn are the way to go for 90s and modern equipment... i just hope they do more Canadian stuff as I model CN, CP, & BCOL from 1992 to 2016. check out a playlist called CN & CP in the Fraser Thompson canyon during the 1990s. my mom grew up in spences bridge during the mid 70s to 1986 when she moved back down to the lower mainland of BC to live with my grandfather. I still visit the town and the many cool railway locations still active in the canyon even though CN & CP share eachothers lines now from Hope BC to between Spences bridge and Ashcroft. happy modelling Dan. :)
Man o man, that is a major disappointment. I have yet to pick mine up, but it is in stock and awaiting my next trip to my pusher. I guess Rapido is sort of like Bowser, they only model what they see out their windows, speaking about those triangular pieces at the corner steps. Then again looking at the Rapido folks I keep getting a "Trailer Park Boy's" vibe, I won't say who is who, but will leave that to the readers. I'm thinking mine will go to auction at some point and I will add Rapido to the list with Intermountain, Fox Valley and Tyco of who not to buy power from. In conclusion, I do not think you were too critical, you missed a few things that I thought obvious like the light packages looking bent as do the stacks, but that might be your camera lens too, so I will not go into this here. I have also determined that ESU can not do EMD sound effects worth a damn. That, or they use junk speakers, either way my only ESU's will be either Alco's, GE's or Baldwin's; leaving Tsunami for my 567's and 645's. I'm not going to spend this sort of money just to get a starting point for a long list of corrections.
I have to admit that I'm becoming hesitant to purchase more locomotives from Rapido. I use ESU decoders exclusively and I think the EMD sounds are generally good. This model either has a bad sound file or a poor quality speaker. Sometimes manufacturers use their own sound files with ESU decoders rather than the ones that are available for free on the ESU website. With a good speaker and the standard sound files, the ESU decoders sound really good. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi Hi again, I also have the Walthers SP SD9E and its sound is just not as good as my P2K's with Tsunami's onboard. I suppose it might be speakers, but then I have an ESU on P2K GP20 and it is the worst sounding unit I have. All my Alco's and Baldwins are ESU and they sound amazing; just as I remember the real ones! I lived in and around the SD9's and EMD switchers for many years and their sound is quite burned into my soul. I have yet to try a 645 file from ESU, but their 567's just don't make it for me. I have a friend who has the ESU programmer, maybe we can see if that might help. Thanks. Oh, I was about to order the Rapido U25B's in Santa Fe, but I think not after seeing the reviews on this SW1200.
White Lightning 1973 Burt Reynolds has a scene where a sw1200 Cotton Belt 2293 is interfering with a chase, I think this was the first unit with no plates on top.....might be useful for ideas
This unit has failed a comprehensive assessment test! I will not purchase this unit anytime soon. Dan should of gave this model an "F" for fiasco! Trust me! I have another locomotive with a different brand and model that was very close of failing a model comprehensive assessment. The speaker and motor quality was below average and the ditch lights(front) were very dim. I will have to pay for the replacement of those items plus labor. These will cost me more than what I originally paid for the locomotive in the first place. When it comes to quality, they really need to take it more seriously these days. If they don't, they will drop like flies and regret their mistakes later.
If you buy a DCC equipped loco and live in California, the CA Lemon Law applies and these model train companies are on the hook if they have dealers in the state. Regardless if it's a decoder problem or missing/broken parts they have to fix them.
I think this one could have been a lot better. I understand what you're saying about the ditch lights. Some of the models that come with them are really awful, which is why I often end up redoing the lighting. I really love the old Athearn ones that use bulbs that point straight up, so most of the light is wasted on the inside of the ditch light housing. Thanks for watching!
I suppose that might have been slightly snarky. I usually don't mind the jokes, but when a model has serious flaws like this one did, they don't seem as funny. I'd rather they put more effort into getting the details right. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi Dan, it’s great to meet you finally. I’m in San Antonio, TX and you’re always welcome to visit our club SAMRA if you’re passing through. I’ve been watching and learning from your videos for many years. I retired from the Army (Infantry) in 2009 and I dusted off my Model Railroading hobby and re-engaged in 2012. My job had me moving every couple years so building a layout was out of the question and the movers lost many of my models which annoyed me greatly so I just put it on ice. I also own and restore vintage military vehicles and firearms so that kept me busy. I always aim to buy second hand items for railroading and I’ve done pretty well as a result. In all of your videos I’ve seen, this was the first one that was pretty harsh and I verified what you said about the mistakes, I don’t know what Rapido was thinking when they approved production of this neat little switcher so that’s why I felt that one word would describe the results.
I'm sure those will be nice. Most of the models I review from ScaleTrains get good scores. I am buying less these days, and focusing more on my 1990s era SP theme, and Tier 4 locomotives are too new for that. I do have quite a bit of more modern equipment already, that possibly could be used for retro reviews. Thanks for watching!
A lot of modelers want detail and are willing to pay higher prices, while others are less concerned about it. I think that's why ScaleTrains has their Operator line and more expensive Rivet Counter line, to give people the option. Rapido might take note. I like detail, but when I pay higher prices for it I also expect it to be correct. Thanks for watching!
Well, I bought one... I like a lot of detail in my models. I have a rule of thumb that what I consider a good locomotive in terms of detail, sound, lights, and smooth running, usually costs at least $250. That's true whether I buy it from the factory, or if I take an old Athearn blue box that I got for $20 and rework it to my standards. By the time I factor in the cost of all the parts, sound decoder, paint, etc., the price ends up in the same range. Thanks for watching!
Seems that reviews of late are more about whining, crying and complaining. Here's an idea...You make a perfect model and sell it for less...your problem is solved!
I apply the same standards and tests to every model that gets reviewed, and present the information in as objective a way as I can. I don't recall ever whining or crying in a review video. If you think criticism counts as complaining, then that's your interpretation. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a certain level of accuracy and detail from an expensive model when other models a similar price range score better. My recent review of Athearn's HO SD90MAC-H is a good example. Good score there. No complaints. Sometimes I guess I ruffle feathers of people who are easily offended. Thanks for watching!
Considering the price is 335 for a DCC one, I think you’re fully justified for being harsh on it
I agree!
people will complain about the hole in a donut.
Thanks for the support!
My bearing caps were also missing. Rapido replaced them. I wasn't super happy with this model either. For Rapido it should of been top notch. Good review.
I really think if they're going to do rotating end caps, that they should throw a few extras into the parts bag like ScaleTrains and some others do. I'd rather not have the rotating end cap feature than have a model arrive with missing parts. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi I agree. Wanted to share that the Rio Grande model number boards light with the headlight. Now why couldn't they do that with the SP model. Poor designing, Shame on Rapido for that one.
As usual, an outstanding review. This model was on my "nice to have, but do I really need it?" list. Thanks for saving me $225. Your videos are priceless.
I'm glad you found the review helpful, and that it saved you some money. Thanks for watching!
Rapido appears to have lost its way. Perhaps they have grown too quickly and are trying to do too much with too little. Reputations take time and effort to build, and they can be lost very quickly. Thank you for this highly detailed review. Rapido may complain, but you are doing them a favor.
It's possible, and I can see why you'd say that, but on the other hand, it might be a blip, and they've made products that were sort of duds before, it's not like they've ever been a company that never screws up... I'd be more worried about Athearn going downhill (SD60M fiasco, loss of in-house talent and rumors of discord, weird typos in their flyers, etc), personally. Where I think your "too much with too little" comment definitely hits home is that Rapido tried to do waaaaay too many roadnames of SWs in this first run -- they admit as much -- and quality may have suffered as a result.
I agree with your thoughts regarding Athearn and believe they suffer from being only a small contributor to their parent, Horizon Hobby. For example, why does Athearn continue to use those silly plastic clips to secure wires to the decoder. Mother boards and 21-pin MTC decoders represent a better, more reliable approach. Getting back to Rapido, I like their spirit and innovation and want them to succeed. However, a product whiff like the SW1200 makes me feel they neither respect nor value my support. God help them if the screw up the E units. Thanks for considering my thoughts and taking the time share yours.
@@theodoreshasta7846 Makes sense!
A lot of interesting thoughts here. I don't have any insider information about any of the model making companies, so I can only go by the products that I buy and review to make judgments. I do think they could have done a better job with this one. I almost bought one of those new Athearn SD60Ms but decided against it... maybe that was a good thing. Thanks for watching!
Good review,I hope Jason see's this and takes care to repair the mistakes!!.
It would be nice to see at least the sill issue corrected, though I don't think I have any special influence with Rapido or any other companies. Thanks for watching!
Rapido should have adressed these issues. Considering the prices I think a c- overhaul score is too high.
I certainly think this one could have been better. Thanks for watching!
Rapido sacrifices quality control for detail
Thank you for your 2 cents ! Good points were made in your review . Thumbs up 10 out 10 review
I'm glad you liked the review. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for not pulling any punches on your reviews. That's a lot of money for a model with detail and decoder issues. I also noticed the front stack seemed to be leaning slightly toward the cab. I feel Athearn would have done a much better job if they modeled this locomotive.
I use dc ,how much does it cost?
Thanks for the feedback. I intend to keep the review format since most people seem to appreciate it. Thanks for watching! @John Floyd - I mentioned it in the review, but the MSRP for the DC version is $225.
0:42 “Some of rapidos “attempts” at humor” 😂😂
You caught that, too! Nothing wrong with humor, but I'd rather have a model with fewer issues.
Thanks for watching!
That makes sense and for the price that’s a fair expectation. I don’t know much about SP or little switchers like these. Is the SP an obscure prototypes or is this pretty standard for an SW12000?
I was just about to order one from ModelTrainStuff. Thank goodness I watched this review first. Excellent job reviewing this model. Thanks for the honesty.
You're welcome. I'm glad it helped with your purchase decision. Thanks for watching!
Great review Dan just in time as I was going to order one but have now decided not just due to it costing more with the exchange rate from nz
I'm glad you found it helpful with your purchasing decision. Thanks for watching!
I agree with you, Dan. At that price, the model should be an A, or A+ quality. I think you were more than fair.
Thanks for the kind words and for watching!
I had similar issues with my unit. I used the loksound programmer to set up the brakes.
I've done that with a couple other Rapido engines I had, and was able to fix that particular issue. Since it's basically just software, this seems like one of the easiest things they could fix on this model. Thanks for watching!
Very detailed reviews! I enjoy watching them, however I do not use dcc locomotives, but I would like to see you run some of these in your videos and note how they roll and how they can handle curves
I'm glad you like the reviews. I've been thinking about doing that kind of thing. When I get my layout started I plan to add more real world tests to the reviews. It's hard to do that right now since I don't have a permanent setup in HO. Thanks for the suggestion and for watching!
I really like your reviews. I un-subbed last year thinking I was getting away from HO, but am getting pulled in again. I loved SP as a kid and probably saw these SW1200 locos hundreds of times growing up in the old T&NO area. I nearly bought this Rapido and am grateful I didn't after watching your review. Thanks for being so thorough! Re-subbed! 🙂
Welcome back! I'm glad you found the review helpful. I also do N scale, and many of the videos on this channel can apply to multiple scales. Thanks for watching!
Excellent review. Thank you.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
This was on my "wish" list of switchers but not anymore. In addition to the flaws Dan pointed out in the review, I also have some problems with fit and finish on certain details. The stacks, primarily the lead stack is tilted back instead of being straight and SP light packages, primarily the lead seem to be tilted which could cause the light rays to point more downward rather than straight ahead. Mind you there is a possibility these issues may not be present on other examples but were present on the model Dan used for review. I'm by no means a die-hard rivet counter, however, I strive for my models to be as accurate as possible. I'll let some MINOR detail inaccuracies slide, but when there's this many, coupled with a major flaw (the triangular brace plates), it ruins what could have been an absolute home-run of a model. Sorry Rapido, no dice on this one.
I have to admit I missed the stack issue. I think I was too flabbergasted by the triangular plates. Thanks for catching that!
Considering Rapido had the same F10 problem on the RS11 you'd think they'd get that fixed!
Yes, I agree. I'm not sure why they keep repeating the same error. Thanks for watching!
I had emailed their tech support after having watching your review on the RS11. I was told at the same a fix would be released shortly.....still waiting for them to put out that fix.
Once again Dan thanks for your review hats off to you it’s really sad that rapido is making these mistakes but I love the humor in there Advertisements but yeah they shouldn’t be shipping the switches with that many problemsThanks again
I'm glad you liked the review. I don't mind the humor but I'd rather have a model with fewer issues. If it were as good as I was hoping it would be, then the humor would be a lot funnier. Thanks for watching!
At this price point, I think the level of review given is completely appropriate. The thickness of the coupler lift bar stuck out to me as soon as you pulled it out of the box. Yikes! I like Rapido as a company. But maybe less horsing around, and more attention to detail would be beneficial. Thanks!
I agree. Thanks for watching!
Your reviews are objective and refreshing. You are also more than generous as it is quite apparent you could have taken off even more points than you did. I love Rapido, but they still have a long way to go when it comes to quality control. Unacceptable given how much their products cost.
I'm glad you like the reviews. Rapido has had quality issues that I'd like to see them address in future releases. I'd also like it if they would not build a model with a major hard to fix error, like the triangles on the sill on this model. They have all the elements of an outstanding company, they just need to be a little more thorough. Thanks for watching!
Good call Dan, you are like me as I
would rather buy a cheaper Athearn
and detail it for Conrail as you do
for your favorite SP and SF!!! We can
get closer to what we want for half
the cash!!! Heck that WP switcher
you built was sweet and cheaper,
Conrails mainstay was SW1500s
and SW7s and some Calfs so they
are easy to model!!! Man you need
to start grabbing lumber while the
prices are down, because it might
not last long!!!
I have a couple Proto 2000 SW1200s that I'd like to do something with. Switchers are cool. I wish I could have liked this one more. You're right that with some work, older models can be every bit as nice as new ones. Thanks for watching!
Excellent unbiased review,I bought the same model which had a missing bearing cap and function 10 brake didn't work so I returned it to the retailer for a refund.This was the first Rapido model I have tried and I was very disappointed with it especially as in the UK it's a very expensive item.
You know it's just the retailer that loses when you do that though right? If they're really good they'll test/inspect and attempt to re-sell it as used to get back as much money as they can towards it. Otherwise they'll just pretend it's still brand new and sell it to some other sucker in hopes they don't notice or don't open it for a while. Either way it doesn't cost the manufacturer anything. I guess with enough returned ones we re-consider selling a certain brand's products, but then you're just the dealer who doesn't sell the brands customers are wanting and they shop elsewhere.
@Tony Wright I'm glad you liked the review. Several Rapido models that I've reviewed have had the same brake issue. I was able to fix it in one case by tweaking the decoder CVs, and in another by loading in a new sound file. I haven't tried to fix this one, but likely it would be one or the other. Still, it shouldn't have to be done. I haven't tried returning my model, but it may end up on eBay at some point. Thanks for watching!
@D-Rail I rarely return models to the dealer. Years ago I returned one to a hobby shop, and more recently I returned a really bad model to an online retailer. I can see how it probably wouldn't directly impact the manufacturer. However, if a model maker consistently puts out substandard products, then demand for those products may decrease. Thanks for watching!
Dan a review is supposed to let us the other modelers aware of locomotives that we save to buy and if they are flawed we should know about those issues, so be harsh if other models don't appreciate that, well sucks to be them. Thank you for your honesty.
Thanks, I'm glad you appreciate my efforts. And thanks for watching!
I don't know what to say. I watch your reviews because you are so thorough. I particularly like that you show some of the steps needed to remediate some of the issues. Like the oversized breaker bars. Its one of the reasons for years I've been hesitant to buy Atlas stuff. Things like windshield wipers being too big. And not that hard to fix. But it bothered me such easy fixes were ignored for so long. That said, I like to run trains. Blue or bright white headlights bother me more. I am looking for general look and feel rather than exactness. Little details like the wrong lift ring.... meh. But I still keep coming back. Always enjoy what you have to say.
I'm generally not too bothered by small details that can be replaced with better aftermarket parts, like the wipers and such on some Atlas models. And for myself I often redo the lighting anyway. Like you said, easy fixes. Big things that require a lot of work to fix, like the triangular plates near the steps on this model, are a whole different story. It's not like it's difficult to find photos of these things, or even take measurements since there are a lot of them still around. I really don't see how that kind of error can happen if model makers do their homework. Thanks for watching!
Great with this thorough assessment of this engine. And I was planning on picking one up this Friday and do a quick review on it, but thanks for the heads up!
I know not every model Rapido comes out with will not be perfect, nor top notch, but I hope that they see this as a teachable moment in quality; especially with that high price tag!
All this time I've been waiting over a year now for them Metro North Commuter Railroad Comet commuter cars, with the waiting and price, when I do my review on them, they best be accurate and of top quality!
After this review if they are watching, going forward, I expect nothing less!!!!!
Great review Dan!
I'm glad you liked the review. I don't know how similar they will be, but I'm also working on a review of a Rapido HO Amtrak Horizon coach. Thanks for watching!
Nice update today .Enjoyed it thanks
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi Thanks Daniel and Thank you very much for replying to my comment. I would love if you could take a quick look at my page and any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
When you're spending that kind of money on a ho locomotive, you expect everything to be right.
At the very least I certainly expect it to be free of really bad errors. Thanks for watching!
At the price point this is marketed as, I expect a lot as well. I agree with your judgment completely!
I'm glad you found the review helpful. Thanks for watching!
Very nice and honest review. I like that you are hard in your reviews, this way I can pick and choose which details/flaws are for me. I almost bought this model, I don’t think I will now. And to think that Rapido have an Espee modeler in their ranks....mmmm
I'm glad you like the format and found the review helpful. I didn't know Rapido had someone working there who is an SP fan. Really makes the errors in this one a puzzler. Thanks for watching!
Agree Dan for the price too many flaws
This one was a disappointment. I had high hopes for it. Thanks for watching!
Although I admire what Rapido Trains tries to do, I admire your honesty.
I appreciate that. Thanks for watching!
Thanks Dan for a very detailed review, you saved me some money I won't be buying any Rapido locomotives that's for sure.
The B36-7 were very accurate and got much better score from Dan. Not all Rapido is crappy. I think they rushed this release and tried to do too many railroads at once.
I have reviewed other locomotives from Rapido that scored better. I'm glad you found the review helpful. Thanks for watching!
Sweet! I did an unofficial one but your is WAY better bro!! Great job and the price is great vs. Brass
I'm glad you liked the video. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for such a thorough review.
You're welcome. I'm glad you found it helpful. Thanks for watching!
@Daniel, I too found the errors in this model quite disappointing. Thanks for all "adjustment" tips. I really helps. Here are some of the problems I found with the loco:
1. Both of the head and rear light stands are mounted crooked.
2. The horn is bent downward. (I fixed that luckily)
3. The number boards do not light up, as you pointed out.
4. The manual suggests that both F11 and F16 turn on/off the cab lights. This is confusing. Upon try this on one throttle (A) it corresponds to F16. When I use a 2nd throttle (different throttle id) it corresponds to F11. It would be most favorable if only one function controlled the cab lights.
5. When I turn off the gyro-light the cab lights go out. Unexpected behavior.
6. F19 is to turn off the number boards. However the number boards never come ON. NO know function to turn them on., as you pointed out.
7. A pair of sun shades are included with “guide pins”. There is, however, no holes in the side of the cab for the guide pins to fit into, as you pointed out.
8. A pair of footboards are included. However there are no holes in the front of the loco to accept the footboard guide pins , as you pointed out SP did not come with them.
9. No parts schematic is included
10. There was no antenna on mine
I really feel like this one had too many issues. The function key assignment oddities can be fixed with programming, but it's still extra work. Thanks for the extra info and for watching!
Love the speed at which you review...I am busy, don't have a lot of time and you "blaze" thru the comments nice and quick ...much appreciated. I purchased this model and when I set it on the track an annoying "Forrest Gump" movie quote kept playing over and over....It is not mentioned anywhere in the literature but function keys F-21 is Forrest gump quote and F-22 is Ferris Bueler movie quote. I desperately contacted Rapido tech support for a solution and they knew nothing about the two movie quotes or how to turn them off...after hours of attempts, I stumbled upon the two Function Keys and finally got the movie quotes turned off....Rapido's tech support suggestion was perform F8 factory reset to destroy all my CV settings and that might get the quotes turned off??!!.....I would give a -10 points for that....very frustrating
I didn't experiment with the high numbered function keys, so I missed that. Rapido often puts stuff like that in their sound files. Some of their models have Star Trek noises. It's cute for a minute but I agree that it's out of place and can be annoying after that minute (or less). If you have a LokProgrammer you can load a different sound file which will likely take care of it. You could also reprogram the function key assignments so those sounds will never be triggered. Thanks for watching!
Tip, we always used a thicker paint brush hair for the antenna whips on SP power. The whip on this SW1200 looks like a broom handle.
That's a great idea! When I'm detailing a model myself I often just put the antenna base on the model with nothing, or sometimes with some very fine wire. The hair would be less likely to be a skin poker, though. Thanks for the suggestion!
I'm far from a "rivet counter" as people would say, specially because I don't have the money for it. (Don't take this the wrong way Dan, you're in no shape or form a rivet counter, just so people don't get the wrong idea).
and I think you're justified on being harsh on a model like this specially because of its absurd price tag, for that much a model should come out of the box straight to the rails without any work needing to be done. Some of the errors you showed are just "gross" and have no place in a model for that price.
I agree. The triangular plates are the real deal breaker for me, as that is a big project to fix. For this price, a model shouldn't be a project. Thanks for watching!
Excellent model product review as always, this is an attractive looking switcher locomotive but with viewing all of the detail & performance flaws along with a price tag of $270-$300, i am not in a rush to purchase this model. This sw1200 switcher model is interesting but features many visual appearance and operation issues that need to be corrected & eliminated- Tom.
I definitely think it could have been better. I'm glad you found the review informative. Thanks for watching!
thanks dan for the great review perhaps I'll reconsider getting one from rapido.
I'm glad you found the review helpful. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for your in depth review 👍
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
I always enjoy your honest reviews. I think the manufacturers need to put a little more effort into accuracy of their models for the price we are paying.
I agree. It's one thing when the usual stuff like coupler height comes up, but having the design be wrong is another thing altogether. There are a lot of photos of these things, too, which makes it even harder to understand how they could get something so wrong. Thanks for watching!
One thing we can honestly say about your reviews: you clearly are NOT in the pocket of any manufacturer! (I have yet to find another reviewer who could say the same. We know you pay for your stuff so that permits you tell the truth. The minute any kind of “freebie” or other incentive is given the review will end up distorted. So thanks!)
The fact that Dan is not in any one’s pocket is one of his greatest attributes when doing a review. Well stated struck2 soon. Thank you Dan for the heads up on this Rapido model. I wait for a better option or detail an older model.
I think so far there's only been one model I've gotten as a free review sample on this channel, and that was a kit. I've been told that my review methods should be changed if I want to get free models. I'm not worried about that, though. I'm going to keep doing things the same way. Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi if they were giving you models you would be obliged to not say bad things about them. Then we would just end up with soap-sud reviews the same as James Wright does, which don’t drill down to the nitty-gritty. In other words pointless!
I contacted Rapido when I received mine. According to them the number boards on this model could not light up as there isn't a small enough LED available. Considering the price, I agree more stringent quality controls should be put in place before the final production run.
I realize that doing custom work is different from making a production model, but there are 603 and 402 surface mount LEDs that are plenty small enough to fit inside the number board housings on this model. I've used them in tight situations many times. Quality control seems to be a recurring issue in a lot of newer high-detail models. Thanks for watching!
Good review Dan. If I can get my hands on one of these I'll use your review to get it up to snuff. I love SP equipment and when John Abatacola did the review of the MP15DC I just had to have one. My one concern is the triangular pilot skirts being too small. If brought back to proper size wouldn't this restrict the allowable radius track it could handle ? You really know your stuff ! Bob M.
I am not sure if the triangular pieces would interfere with the truck swing or not. The old Proto 2000 SW1200 model has the correct shaped triangles and it works okay, but of course that's a different chassis. Some manufacturers try to get their equipment to handle super tight curves. I'm not sure if that was what Rapido was thinking or if they just missed that detail. I decided fixing that issue was too much work for an expensive model, so I sold mine. Good luck with your project and thanks for watching!
Dan you don't sugarcoat anything. I prefer the way you do your reviews over others.
I try to be as honest and objective as possible. I'm glad you like the format. Thanks for watching!
Very disappointing. This could have been a terrific model, and the manufacturer should know that modelers, especially SP modelers would pay attention to accuracy, upgradability, and function. As a boy growing up in West Los Angeles, my friends and I would “hop” the Santa Monica local at night instead of taking the bus, or riding our bikes. For several years, SW-1200s would be on point, although replaced by SW-1500s later on…
Yes, I've noticed that SP modelers (myself included) seem to be especially interested in having correct details. I love switchers, so this one was more than a little bit of a let down. That sounds cool that you got to seem them when you were younger. Thanks for watching!
Rapido is notorious for using CN or CP detailing for models and then apply American Railroads to it without modifications. It looks like they used a CN or CP detailed SW1200 with Southern Pacific markings. This was evident in their Pullman dining car release which offered a Union Pacific Pullman dining car. The Union Pacific did not operate Pullman dining cars
From a marketing point of view, I understand why some manufacturers paint freight cars and such in schemes that aren't accurate for the model, because they know they can sell them to people who like a particular railroad. I really dislike the practice on higher-end models, which are generally expected to be more accurate (and advertised as such). That's what we're paying for after all. And using a Canadian sill on a US prototype switcher just seems like laziness. Thanks for watching!
I bought two of these because I love the bloody nose scheme. I am going to have them repainted for the Pittsburgh and Shawmut which has a different design so I wasn't too worried about the accuracy of the Southern version However, finding out from the comments that the reader boards don't light up is a major disappointment and should have been disclosed in bold in the original selling description. Also, as a aside Rapido Customer Service is at present non existent. Before purchasing these two I purchased two in the Great Northern scheme and sent them to someone else to repaint and he did not only a terrible job but caused damage as well. I wanted to see if I could buy new shells from Rapido but if you try calling them it goes directly to voicemail and they say that they aren't taking calls and you can't leave a voicemail. Multiple emails and online requests in the last month have gone unanswered as well. When I think of all of the people like me that need support and can't get it I get both mad and sick to my stomach.
I've found a couple of Rapido's recent releases to be disappointing. I hope they can get their act together. I haven't tried contacting them the way you did, and it sounds like they could use some work in that area as well. Parts availability is an issue with a lot of models these days. Limited production seems to also mean that there are little or no spare parts produced. Some companies like Atlas keep at least some parts and shells in stock. It would be nice if everyone did that. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi Thanks so much for responding. You are doing a great service to the hobby with your reviews. I have since found out that they are having both software upgrade and staffing issues which now explains the lack to date of a response.
Surprising that Walthers did a better job in terms of prototype accuracy
I almost bought one of the Walthers models to review. I'm pretty sure the Walthers models are based on the old Proto 2000 SW9/1200 tooling. I have a couple of those, not SP but just the standard versions, and they're very good models overall. I may go with my original plan and build one of those into an SP unit. Thanks for watching!
I would have to agree with your indings, Rapido always seems to have a good reputation and the prices reflect their so called reputation for accuracy.
I think most people who buy higher-end models want accuracy and a lot of detail, so that there's nothing really to do to the model. When an expensive model falls short, it's disappointing. Thanks for watching!
It took me some time to find your videos, but here I am. Nice review! Hope you can make a review from German locos (Roco, Brawa, Trix) as those are really nice machines
Thanks for finding the channel! I don't have any German prototype equipment, except for a couple Marklin Z engines that I'm using to make Nn3 narrow gauge steam locomotives. Some of the European models are really cool, though. Thanks for watching!
That’s a lot of issues for a $335 retail product. I agree with just about everything you said. I did buy 3 of Rapido’s B36-7 units when released and they look pretty good, but I don’t like how they make it so difficult to take the shell off yourself if you need to make any repairs or swap decoders
I have been opening up some of the models I review lately, but I didn't take the shell off this model because the process described in the manual seemed like a lot of work. I have two of the B36-7s, one SP. I reviewed them both on this channel if you haven't seen those yet. Thanks for watching!
Great video! I had a feeling you'd get this and review it. 😂😂😂
I'm glad you liked the review. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi Good News. Walthers Proto recently announced a run of SW1200s in HO scale with SP being one of the road names. Thought this would interest you.
@@mgr_video_productions I saw something about that. I'm trying to decide if I want to get one. Thanks for the info!
Been a long time subscriber and have always been a fan of your unbiased and detailed reviews. Keep up the good work.
I'm glad you like the review format. Thanks for watching and subscribing!
1:08: “My model arrived with one of the missing rotating axle end cap”;
1:16: "I am sure Rapido will replace the end cap": did they?
I have not contacted Rapido as yet. To be honest I was so disappointed with this model that I just put the box in a closet and haven't looked at it since. Thanks for watching!
Great review Dan, either horn was definitely not a old cast P-3.
I thought it looked a little odd. Thanks for the info!
@@DanielCortopassi , not only the look but the sound.
What kind of decoder is installed, a 21pin or N18 style? I know it has Loksound I’m asking for if the silent version is purchased.
I didn't open up this engine because it looked like quite a job to do so, and unfortunately no exploded view drawings are included in the instructions. There is a section for them on the Rapido website, but it says "coming soon". So I'm not sure what style of decoder connector they used. Sorry I can't be of more help on this one. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi that’s okay. Thank you for the information you could give. The model does look good and I have to hunt down a generic looking one to repaint in the Reading Lines style.
LOL, you used to say that the manual contained "some of Rapido's usual humor," but now it's "attempts at humor" -- ouch! Seriously, a welcome review, thanks as always for your honest insight. I hope their recently-announced Speed Lettering B36-7 is more to your liking!
You caught that! Even though the speed lettering works perfectly for my 1990s era, I might skip the next run of B36-7s. I am starting to try to think about how many GE 4-axle units I really need. I have one B36-7 that I reviewed a while back, I'm building a B30-7 as part of my SP consist build, and I also have an Atlas B23-7 in SP. We'll see how I feel when they're released, but I don't have any on pre-order. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi Haha, yeah, I guess you wouldn't need four B-Boats for a Donner Pass layout... if it were a Pine Bluff engine terminal layout or something, sure, sure, but not Donner Pass...
Hello Dan! Along with Rapido Trains why aren't there perfect manufacturers build perfect models without errors? What'll happen if Rapido Trains Inc. and the competition had made perfect trains?
If the trains were perfect then they'd get a 100 point perfect score! So far I've only had two or three of those. I don't really know why models end up having errors. I can understand how things like coupler height could be off because someone goofed up a little during the assembly process. But with modern CAD and 3D scans and such, I don't understand how the design of the model can be wrong (like the triangles I mention in this review). Thanks for watching!
Thanks for an honest review
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
😱 That's the lowest score i have seen since i regularly view your channel! I know that coupler was messed up in height I liked the brown rust detail. I guess RAPIDO didn't use KADEE GRAPHITE DRY GREASEM. Its a fine looking engine but you knew best of its historic or current details. I found it hilarious when you blew the horn & you said:" That doesn't sound right (correct) 🤣🤣. Someone really goofed up the details including the sunshades. I would use metal as well. I agree with your score. I enjoyed viewing this as always. 👋👋👋👋
I think way back I gave a 65, but that was for some passenger cars, not a locomotive. I'm glad you liked the review. Thanks for watching!
What other SW1200 would you recommend? Brand? Thanks in advance.
I would probably go with the Proto 2000. I have a couple of those. Granted, they're not as detailed, but the body shell is good and basically correct. Details can always be added. Thanks for watching!
Well done nice and Fair review 🚂🏆
Thanks so much!
Sounds like a Loksound 5 decoder. AFAIK F10 doesn't work out of the box on those, you have to set it up.
I believe you are correct that it's a LokSound 5. I wouldn't object to having to set it up, if the manual said that's what you needed to do. Personally I don't really use the brake function, but I know a lot of people like it. I've had this same problem with two other Rapido locomotives, and I really think it's something they should address. Or change the manual so that it doesn't lead you to believe that it should just work. Thanks for watching!
The smoke stacks look bent to me.
A few people have noticed that. I didn't while I was doing the review, so thanks for catching it!
Let us know if Rapido gets back to you?
If they do I'll talk about it in an Ask Dan & Nichole episode. Thanks for watching!
Did rapido ever reply?
I also had issues with a Rapido engine (B36-7). I refuse to buy another.
I did a review of two of those, one CSX and one SP a while back. They had a few issues but not as many as the SW1200. I am kind of leaning that way myself, though. I'm not sure I want to buy any more locomotives from Rapido. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi yes I did see that video also when you did the Rapido F40PH. That was the first rapido I brought in Amtrak ph3 as delivered and it was great engine. I think you gave it a perfect score.
hola amigo como le hago para comprar una locomotora asi como esta lindura
I usually buy model trains either online or at a hobby shop. Unfortunately models like this one tend to sell out quickly. Sometimes you can find them on eBay. I hope I answered your question and thanks for watching!
Is it my eyes or does it look like the whole front end is actually bent up a bit?
The front end is bent slightly. I kind of mentioned it when I talked about having to file the coupler mounting pad at an angle to get the Kadee replacement couplers to come out at the right height. I probably could have taken more points for that issue. Thanks for catching that!
Major takedown. I'll stick to my blue box babies😂😂😂
This one definitely had some issues. Thanks for watching!
Disappointing model considering Rapido claims they want to model perfection or nothing in my email correspondence with them. Can you do a review on the new Walthers Mainline Mechanical PFE reefers? Body wobble is out of this world!
It is disappointing when a model is touted as being super accurate and then it shows up with obvious errors. I'll see about the PFE cars. Those would fit into my theme so they might be a candidate for purchasing. Thanks for watching!
i also see a sadly noticeable mold seem on the long hood nose
I didn't call that out in the video. There were so many things with this one. This engine had enough issues that I decided not to keep it. It belongs to someone else now. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi that sucks. Rapido's quality control is kinda sad on American products where as on most of the Canadian stuff they seem to be pretty good. Scale Trains and Athearn are the way to go for 90s and modern equipment... i just hope they do more Canadian stuff as I model CN, CP, & BCOL from 1992 to 2016.
check out a playlist called CN & CP in the Fraser Thompson canyon during the 1990s. my mom grew up in spences bridge during the mid 70s to 1986 when she moved back down to the lower mainland of BC to live with my grandfather. I still visit the town and the many cool railway locations still active in the canyon even though CN & CP share eachothers lines now from Hope BC to between Spences bridge and Ashcroft.
happy modelling Dan. :)
Man o man, that is a major disappointment. I have yet to pick mine up, but it is in stock and awaiting my next trip to my pusher. I guess Rapido is sort of like Bowser, they only model what they see out their windows, speaking about those triangular pieces at the corner steps. Then again looking at the Rapido folks I keep getting a "Trailer Park Boy's" vibe, I won't say who is who, but will leave that to the readers. I'm thinking mine will go to auction at some point and I will add Rapido to the list with Intermountain, Fox Valley and Tyco of who not to buy power from.
In conclusion, I do not think you were too critical, you missed a few things that I thought obvious like the light packages looking bent as do the stacks, but that might be your camera lens too, so I will not go into this here.
I have also determined that ESU can not do EMD sound effects worth a damn. That, or they use junk speakers, either way my only ESU's will be either Alco's, GE's or Baldwin's; leaving Tsunami for my 567's and 645's. I'm not going to spend this sort of money just to get a starting point for a long list of corrections.
I have to admit that I'm becoming hesitant to purchase more locomotives from Rapido. I use ESU decoders exclusively and I think the EMD sounds are generally good. This model either has a bad sound file or a poor quality speaker. Sometimes manufacturers use their own sound files with ESU decoders rather than the ones that are available for free on the ESU website. With a good speaker and the standard sound files, the ESU decoders sound really good. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi Hi again, I also have the Walthers SP SD9E and its sound is just not as good as my P2K's with Tsunami's onboard. I suppose it might be speakers, but then I have an ESU on P2K GP20 and it is the worst sounding unit I have. All my Alco's and Baldwins are ESU and they sound amazing; just as I remember the real ones! I lived in and around the SD9's and EMD switchers for many years and their sound is quite burned into my soul. I have yet to try a 645 file from ESU, but their 567's just don't make it for me.
I have a friend who has the ESU programmer, maybe we can see if that might help. Thanks.
Oh, I was about to order the Rapido U25B's in Santa Fe, but I think not after seeing the reviews on this SW1200.
There are 6 axle Athearn Genesis DCC equipped locomotives at MSRP that are cheaper than this.
Athearn Genesis models usually score much better, too. Thanks for watching!
Yep! I got a Genesis 2.0 triclops SD60M decorated for Burlington Northern and it was pretty much perfect.
Number font is wrong
Another issue... thanks for noticing!
White Lightning 1973 Burt Reynolds has a scene where a sw1200 Cotton Belt 2293 is interfering with a chase, I think this was the first unit with no plates on top.....might be useful for ideas
They really screwed the pooch on a lot of the details on these. I have no use for these because of so many flaws.
The triangle things near the steps are the killer for me. It would require some major surgery to fix. Thanks for watching!
This unit has failed a comprehensive assessment test! I will not purchase this unit anytime soon. Dan should of gave this model an "F" for fiasco! Trust me! I have another locomotive with a different brand and model that was very close of failing a model comprehensive assessment. The speaker and motor quality was below average and the ditch lights(front) were very dim. I will have to pay for the replacement of those items plus labor. These will cost me more than what I originally paid for the locomotive in the first place. When it comes to quality, they really need to take it more seriously these days. If they don't, they will drop like flies and regret their mistakes later.
If you buy a DCC equipped loco and live in California, the CA Lemon Law applies and these model train companies are on the hook if they have dealers in the state. Regardless if it's a decoder problem or missing/broken parts they have to fix them.
I think this one could have been a lot better. I understand what you're saying about the ditch lights. Some of the models that come with them are really awful, which is why I often end up redoing the lighting. I really love the old Athearn ones that use bulbs that point straight up, so most of the light is wasted on the inside of the ditch light housing. Thanks for watching!
Hola buenas tardes excelente video abrazo grande
Thanks so much and thanks for watching!
Guitar strings make good antennas.
That's a great idea, and I have those! Thanks for watching!
"Rapido's usual attempts at humor"
Ouch.
I suppose that might have been slightly snarky. I usually don't mind the jokes, but when a model has serious flaws like this one did, they don't seem as funny. I'd rather they put more effort into getting the details right. Thanks for watching!
Ouch.
Indeed. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi Dan, it’s great to meet you finally. I’m in San Antonio, TX and you’re always welcome to visit our club SAMRA if you’re passing through. I’ve been watching and learning from your videos for many years. I retired from the Army (Infantry) in 2009 and I dusted off my Model Railroading hobby and re-engaged in 2012. My job had me moving every couple years so building a layout was out of the question and the movers lost many of my models which annoyed me greatly so I just put it on ice. I also own and restore vintage military vehicles and firearms so that kept me busy. I always aim to buy second hand items for railroading and I’ve done pretty well as a result.
In all of your videos I’ve seen, this was the first one that was pretty harsh and I verified what you said about the mistakes, I don’t know what Rapido was thinking when they approved production of this neat little switcher so that’s why I felt that one word would describe the results.
Into DETAILS much.???
Details are why most people buy models like this, so they should be correct. Thanks for watching!
@@DanielCortopassi I'm just different - I just buy whats less expensive and looks good.
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Thanks for watching!
Buy a Scaletrains T4.
I'm sure those will be nice. Most of the models I review from ScaleTrains get good scores. I am buying less these days, and focusing more on my 1990s era SP theme, and Tier 4 locomotives are too new for that. I do have quite a bit of more modern equipment already, that possibly could be used for retro reviews. Thanks for watching!
Rapido is too much detail and too high a priced. My Locos are Athearn (not Genesis) and Stewart/Kato Fs.
A lot of modelers want detail and are willing to pay higher prices, while others are less concerned about it. I think that's why ScaleTrains has their Operator line and more expensive Rivet Counter line, to give people the option. Rapido might take note. I like detail, but when I pay higher prices for it I also expect it to be correct. Thanks for watching!
Way too much 😕
With the amount of issues this model has, I agree completely. Thanks for watching!
and Rapido products ask for all the money...expensive
Price is definitely a factor with many of today's models. It would be nice if higher priced models didn't have errors. Thanks for watching!
I think anyone who spends over $200 for this is a little wacked.
Well, I bought one... I like a lot of detail in my models. I have a rule of thumb that what I consider a good locomotive in terms of detail, sound, lights, and smooth running, usually costs at least $250. That's true whether I buy it from the factory, or if I take an old Athearn blue box that I got for $20 and rework it to my standards. By the time I factor in the cost of all the parts, sound decoder, paint, etc., the price ends up in the same range. Thanks for watching!
CV8
I think you were following up on your last comment, and yes, that's the reset CV. Thanks for watching!
Very poor model quality for that price.
Yes, I've sold this one already. Thanks for watching!
Seems that reviews of late are more about whining, crying and complaining. Here's an idea...You make a perfect model and sell it for less...your problem is solved!
I apply the same standards and tests to every model that gets reviewed, and present the information in as objective a way as I can. I don't recall ever whining or crying in a review video. If you think criticism counts as complaining, then that's your interpretation. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a certain level of accuracy and detail from an expensive model when other models a similar price range score better. My recent review of Athearn's HO SD90MAC-H is a good example. Good score there. No complaints. Sometimes I guess I ruffle feathers of people who are easily offended. Thanks for watching!