Cool RUclipsrs I like (mainly commentary): •Drew Gooden •Danny Gonzalez •Not Even Emily •Casey Aonso •Mikaela Long •D'Angelo Wallace •Hailey Elizabeth •miiasaurous •Amanda Maryanna •Kim, from the channel For Harriet •Tee Noir •amandabb •Khadija Mbowe •ContraPoints (although she is a...polarizing...figure) •Lindsay Ellis •Sarah Z •Jenny Nicholson •hbomberguy •Micarah Tewers •Mina Le •Xiran Ray Zhao •ModernGurlz •withcindy (she used to be a BookTuber, but she's done other stuff too - super entertaining) •Sideways (he does cool videos about how music is used in movies, and the video essays are 🤌🏽) •TiffanyFerg •Faline San (not commentary, but rather chaos. If you like Joana Ceddia, you'll like Faline too) And that's everyone coming to my mind right now. They're all super awesome and as far as I know, decent people. Check them out!
Tbh what Tati did wasn't even that horrible compared to the other 4. Don't think she involved her fans or other people but just the small circle of influencers.
Tati definitely didn’t do anything wrong in the first place. If there’s something I’m missing lmk but she legit got ripped apart for calling a predator a predator.
@@pillbugm8914 I mean she upset people who she had every right upset. they didn’t like that she was telling the internet about who they really were/are. The worst part is people turning on HER of all people to make her sound like a bad guy. It blows my mind.
Whilst I don't disagree with that I'm not sure these people could really be looped in with elites. If they were elites, you would not have heard about the controversies.
@@pillbugm8914 that’s not true at all. Things leak. The problem is when they’re leaked and people can clearly see something is wrong and still nothing gets done about it.
I don’t think Shane knows life without internet attention. He’s addicted to it and as long as the internet is around and Shane is alive then he will make more content.
@@rinnerebirth1171 shaming him for his body accomplishes nothing. even horrible people don’t deserve to have their appearance and weight hyperanalyzed and made fun of
The problem is that many of those cancelled creators have young audiences that don’t realize the gravity of the controversies... or that they are being manipulated and gaslit by ADULTS :/
Sadly, yes, especially with Shane. Most of his fans are young teenage girls who either don't understand why what he did was wrong, or they haven't looked it up at all and are just believing whatever he's told them. I even saw one comment from a fan that said literally "I don't know what all this is about but...", and then proceeded to say that they love and support him. It's sad.
@@brittneybrisbin744 well what exactly did he do? Did he actually assault someone? Also my point was just that everybody are using the word gaslighting for every kind of manipulation, and it’s not really what the word meant originally.
@@NinjaOutfitInTheWash i dont think brittney was commenting in response to what you said. Some of the things Shane has done/been accused of doing were listed in this video, the rest is a simple google search away. Assaulting someone doesn't come close to what most of these problematic creators have done. We are talking about pedophilia, grooming, SA and much more. edit: and yes some of these creators have both gaslit AND manipulated their audiences and people around them in different ways. We know there is a difference though gaslighting is a form of manipulation, but the content creators talked about including shane, have done both if not more forms of manipulation.
They are all bad but David definitely feels the worst to me for some reason, I feel like he kind of embodies the “boys will be boys” attitude in way that is so dangerous
Even 30 yr olds want him back (my sister and her friend for example) even if they know what he did. Its just people who care vs people who only care about themselves and are pedo/beastiality apologists.
@@punchdrunkassassin The premise that it was made of was kind of defending James Charles, so he took all three down after everything came out about him
@@punchdrunkassassin i believe he also took it down because he wanted to prove to himself that he could improve. he spoke more about it on kurtis conner's podcast Very Really Good
This is gonna be kind of off topic but when you started talking about how it must be for the victims of all these situations seeing these creators come back must to be terrible. And I’m not sure why but my mind instantly compared it to this classmate who bullied me and said inhumane, racist things about me, yet when he came back from the principals office with little to no punishment, my classmates who I thought cared about me instantly accepted him back even though they knew what he did. Even though they knew I felt unsafe. I’m not sure what this adds to the video but that’s all I could think about. My heart goes out to all of the victims.
people can be way too forgiving sometimes, which is sometimes a strength and sometimes a flaw, you can probably guess which one your story correlates to
a similar thing is happening to me right now. i'm autistic, and it shows. back in march, someone in my friend group said some incredibly ableist shit, so i called them out. and every single person except for one told me that i was being overdramatic, that i just misunderstood it, that i couldnt take a joke. so i left. the bullying didn't stop either, the one friend i had left from that group kept me updated they would say everything awful you could think of. my friend just sent me a text a hour ago that someone that i thought was on my side is hanging out with our old friend group. hanging out, being friends with them, after they bullied me and called me the r slur for years. people act like because someone didnt get punishment, that their actions are excused, that they don't matter anymore.
as a fellow victim of bullying, EXACTLY. People always forget about the victims because they think just aknowledging that the abuser's behaviour was bad is a statisfying form of justice. smh
I think you’re just the right amount of negative today! Idk how these people mainly David takes a couple months away from the internet thinking everyone is a goldfish and then comes back like nothing happened. Meanwhile you have people like Jenna leaving for over a year having seen nothing from her anywhere besides Julien uploads and still she isn’t in those. There are creators who actually care and take a step back and work on themselves. It seems like Tati may have done that she left for a while too. But David, Shane, Jeffrey, James? No just no.
All these people are terrible, don't get me wrong, but I'm the most upset about Shane Dawson trying to come back. As you said his whole career is built on being a shitty person with questionable values. I really don't understand how people are okay with forgiving him
I think another reason for the reaction to Carson vs James Charles is that Carson is straight, and James is gay. I don't care about James one bit, his actions were gross and abusive, but you can't tell me the backlash against him isn't influenced by homophobia....
And people had the nerve to say that because the victims were male it would be ignored. Hopefully everyone can learn from this that all victims are barely ever cared about. I hate when victims are compared when coming forward about abuse is hard enough, they shouldn’t have to deal with “but if you were a (blank) people would have (blank)”
I loved CallmeCarson as a creator. I genuinly thought that he's a comedic genius and I still do. But the moment I saw about the contoversy, I just though, "What a shame." And I don't mean that it's a shame, what they did, because it's horrible. What is a shame, that at all time, creators loose a healthy relationship with their influence and power and abuse it. And honestly, the saddest part is, that I can't even be sure that it wouldn't happen to me, if I got a platform.
@@lilygirllisa That's quite interesting. I mean it makes sense, that he appeals to the "dark humour" kind of people. But I didn't expected that he wouldn't call them out, if there would be a problem.
@@lucebutnot3143 the thing about fandoms is they are different everywhere you go. No one group of call me Carson fans are gonna be exactly the same to they can’t really label all Carson fans as one solid thing. I do agree that in general they are really cringe though lmao REALLY cringe
lol hope you dont get famous then. jk but nah power is a drug and addicts will do anything to get it. i feel like it takes massive amounts of willpower and a v humble attitude to not abuse it. and many “creators” were def socially ostracized at some point of their life, which makes the thirst for power even stronger
your point about internet celebrities already being super rich but still coming back to RUclips is actually so interesting. so many of them could survive financially living offline forever, but it’s clear they miss the attention, and maybe even the controversy
Imagine being groomed, and having those messages spread for the whole Internet to see. You think, maybe youll finally get justice. Only for people who have never met you to say "I don't care. Its not that big of a deal. I would rather have your groomer all over the Internet again so I can watch him and put him back into a position of power where he could do that again." People literally care more about 10 minute videos than the lives of real victims
@@brittneybrisbin744 yeah, they care more about their own self media they take in for entertainment and who’s going to give them haha funnies instead of sympathizing for the victims of horrible actions
I think Tati has really good chances as she hasn't been involved in any other major dramas or slip ups beforehand. She has been very professional before the drama which definitely helps her now. Shane and Jeffree have a high record of shit things, that's a completely different context to consider
yeah but tati still sandwiched a potential victim’s story between homophobic fear tactics and simping for her brand. Even if she was right (I have no idea if she was) she still presented it in a really harmful way.
@@krishna-dp1hd Yeah using homophobic fear tactics from the 50s totallyy isn’t preying on homophobia to de platform someone. “He tried to turn a straight guy gay” was a sentiment repeated throughout the entirety of that video. There was no way for Tati to know that the waiter in question was straight, and even if that was the case, asking about someone’s sexuality isn’t “trying to turn them gay”. There are more examples but that’s the most obvious one. Also please look up what slander is. Slandering someone is to spread negative things about them that you KNOW aren’t true. I’m not even saying Tati is homophobic, just that her video was.
A Rosenthal and she was right wasn’t she? James chipotle is an actual predator, And I’m gay so I’m sure I can make a judgement whether she’s being homophobic or not.
@@krishna-dp1hd It’s honestly worse if she was right because she made HER VITAMIN BRAND the focus of A POTENTIAL VICTIM’S STORY. To reiterate, she used homophobic fear tactics to get people to blindly turn against James without considering the actual story of the victim, as well as using it to promote her brand. Also guess what? I’m gay too :). Her blindly claiming that “he tried to trick a straight guy into thinking that he’s gay” could easily be a quote from the 1960 PSA “BOYS BEWARE” and you’d never know the difference. Preying on old fears about homophobia to get people to hate someone when there’s other substantial things to hate them for is homophobic. This really shouldn’t be a debate.
The thing about Tati is that one of the main reasons she made the video was because she allegedly saw James making moves on minors. But after James’ defense video, people sent hate to Tati either saying she lied or was manipulated. This led to her forming a lawsuit against Jeffree and Shane, which was explained in a video that has since been deleted. But, with all the new allegations on James and his admission video, people realized that Tati might’ve been right all along. This is why I think people are more forgiving to Tati since they all believe they may have gaslit her into not believing herself. I am not for nor against Tati, but I wanted to give some background information to hopefully clear some things up
Which I think it is also notable that compared to the other three her main victim was James. Then she also went for JS and Shane which then led to Shane's manifesto and then everyone started digging up everything they could on him. I know Tati's earlier support of Jeffree hurt people and such but comparatively while she made mistakes in how she went about things I don't think her transgressions are completely unforgivable. Many may never care to support her again which is fine but I think she will easily win back the support of her audience that was always just there for the makeup.
No I don't forgive tati. 1. She made a video without proper receipts to manipulate her audience. If you really care about predatory behaviour of James, you would go to the police not make a video. Social media is not a place to seek justice. Law enforcement and courts exist for imparting justice. Millions of anonymous internet mobs can't realistically do anything. As you see cancel culture doesn't really exist. But jails do. So the biggest issue is that tati choose to ignore proper channels. Firstly, that's unprofessional to blame somebody for something without proof. Doing so is labelled as gossip and spreading rumours. In any legal situation, if you try to spread slander outside of the court case, it always works against you in the court. There is a process for everything. Making a social media post is never the answer. If she had some receipts, she could have made a case. Her video in the court could have been evidence as whistle blower act. But no she didn't have anything on him at that time. Collect your evidence first before blaming people. 2. Her main tigger for reporting a predator was the vitamin pills. So you are okay knowing he is a predator as long as he is promoting your company? Firstly, that's just problematic. But also, if a lawyer can prove that your case is gone. And she unfortunately started her video with that. She admitted that her main motivation to make the video is spite. 3. She admitted that she was concerned that he was straight fishing. Corrupting straight youth etc. Although no court care about this as much. Because there are no laws as such about for or against this. But this doesn't settle well with me.
She kind of did lie though. She said James was preying on this straight guy, and then James showed receipts of their convo where he said he was actually bi and interested in meeting up. Tati was also mostly going after the fact that he did a sponsorship with a vitamin company that wasn’t hers. And let’s not forget she was a 40 year old woman releasing a 40 minute video called Bye Sister trying to take down a teenager who was previously her friend (seems immature and dramatic to me). If she were actually aware of him being with MINORS and wanted to hold him accountable publicly, she could have briefly tweeted about it. She also later apologized for the video and said she was manipulated by JS and SD so I think they told her James was predatory on straight men and she ran with it in her initial take down video.
the whole thing about carson's fanbase of edgelords constantly defending him and standing by horrendous statements gets me so frustrated. if a person's ACTUAL CLOSE FRIENDS who know them OUTSIDE of their youtube persona, actually spoke out supporting the VICTIM and not the person (abuser), then why are you defending them???
Because people on his fanbase probably relate to what he did, and like other comments said, is mysoginistic. Nerds can be mysoginistic, but they think they're the right guys because they aren't classic Chad Dudebro Football ™
@@Phill.__. he took advantage of the power dynamic between content creator and audience to speak explicitly and exchange nudes with underaged fans. multiple times in fact. previous friends of his mentioned him coming to them about it earlier and him promising to stop, which he did not do. he's a repeat offender who hasn't really shown any fervent desire to improve himself. hope this clears stuff up
@@seachelle2316 Is he not allowed to try and get help a second time? I agree that Carson did something pretty rotten, but I don't think he should be run off the internet for good. That's not giving him a chance to prove that he can change. Whether or not he does will be seen in the future, but for now, he should at least get the chance to try and make things right.
We need a new diagnosis -- internet amnesia. Symptoms: forgetting someone online is a terrible person (usually within a month of them committing a crime); calling anyone who questions their actions a hater; disregarding trauma as 'old tea'.
This video actually links up to your last one really well: cancel culture isn't real and after a certain amount of following no public outcry that doesn't go along with a legal case and following jail sentence can keep an influencer from coming back. All of the examples you mentioned have lost some following, but there will always be people who either don't know about the scandal or don't care about it enough to stop watching. And that platform enables them to build their followers back up by bringing in a new generation of fans. In the case of predators this is of course horrible as they are again put in a position of power which they can use to their advantage, but I would see that more as a failure of the justice system. Overall I would still say it's a good thing no-one can be cancelled permanently, because while most of these examples don't deserve it in my opinion, depending on the scandal others deserve the chance to change and come back.
Duncan: “I don’t understand why these people just can’t stay off RUclips” Also Duncan, about 2 minutes later: *perfectly explains why these people keep coming back to RUclips*
my sister said she read david x liza fanfiction in middle school and her explanation was "it was a dark time" edit: i just found a poster in our room signed by david dobrik as well which i think she got for free at an event… also i love my sister so no hate to her
Ahhh, I miss Jenna. I miss her all the time, but I know she is thriving and living her best life and even got engaged. She is probably happier offline and that’s the best thing we all could want. But….my every Wednesday/Thursday is dead now lol
How gaslight-y is it to be shamed off of the internet for your horrendous ACTUAL crimes and then return with an instagram post like "I know I've been quiet! Hehe!" Like we couldn't possibly remember the reason you've been quiet?
The fact that people have been more hard on James Charles than Carson I think also has to do with James being gay. When minorities mess up people are often more hard on them than they are on non-minorities.
Especially since he's stereotypical too, a flamboyant gay, almost written for homophobes (and unrealising homophobes), usually notice more disrespect towards stereotypical minorities
@@amemelia Yeah, whenever any person who identifies as a member of the LGBTQ+ community does something predatory, they become a scapegoat for homophobes to use as evidence about "gay people corrupting youth" or some shit. The number of times I've seen people bring up individual examples of criminals who happen to be gay or trans as an excuse to be bigoted towards entire communities is so depressing, and the same thing often happens with race or religion
THIS! There's So Many Factors To How People Treat James And Carson James Is A Young, Flaboyant Gay Guy Who Does Makeup Videos And Had Rumours Around This. He Also Is Really Famous Carson Is A Straight Guy Who Does Videos About Reddit And Memes And Has A Soothing Voice And Wasn't In Any Drama I Think All Of That Affects It. Minorities Get Attacked And Stereotype On The Interent All The Time Weather The Interent Wants To Admit It Or Not. James Does Makeup And The Beauty Has A Reputation Of Being Toxic. Carson Does Reddit And Memes, 2 Things That Are Also Toxic (Ik Memes Seems Like A Weird One To Consider Toxic But It's The People Who Use Them) But Straight White Men Uses Both, So Ofc People Will Gloss Over That. James Is Big And Successful While Carson Is Also Successful, But Not James Level. James Is...Problematic Before The Incident While Carson Had A "owo soft boi" Persona
Seems like david doesn't know what jokes 2 use anymore bc the only jokes he knows are sexist/racist/homophobic ect. It's like watching a deer in headlights pretend he's not a deer while a car hits him
also, i heard a theory that the reason all of these comebacks are happening now is because a lot of people are distracted by the creepshow art situation.
what's up with that? I saw videos in my recommended but didn't really care, did see that the people accusing creepshow also had drama between each other so the whole thing feels like reality tv without context
The comeback of Carson and Shane have officially ruined my year (and that's saying something) Edit: I'm not comparing the two, I used to be fans of them and stopped after what they did. The thought of them coming back is unbelievable to me
I still can’t believe that Shane used Jenna’s departure to apologize “take accountability” (I hate how youtuber’s have ruined that word lol) and also said he is willing to “lose everything” …. yea right lmao
He also used the typical deflection tactic of "I don't even know who that person (himself in the past) is!" A lot of people do that as a way of avoiding accountability for their actions. They try to make it seem like who they were x amount of years ago is a totally different person. No, that's you. You may not like it, but that's still you.
tati is 100% making use of her nice white lady image and weaponizing her tears, making herself a victim like she isn't a whole adult making decisions she always marketed herself as this 'im just like you, i used to be poor and my hardwork got me here!' and tried to stay relatable and casual despite... the luxury she used to surround herself with. i stopped caring after her spat with jackie aina, related ofc to jofre starfish
I just commented about this, I stopped following her because of her support of Jeffree and making excuses for his behavior by saying "he had a rough childhood". That's why when she said she didn't know he was that bad, I call BS. People were trying to tell her about him and she kept having him on her channel and telling people how wrong they were for bringing up his past and how he was a different person now 🙄
@@ninawth the only good thing that came from dramaggedon are all the nicknames people were making up to avoid writing JS name. I still chuckle thinking about Jasereje Sebiunouba or Jovfefe Stonks
In regards to Tati, in her "A Year Later..." video she seems genuinely in a different place mentally than she was a year ago. Like she truly has done a lot of work and thinking and truly wants to just come back to youtube and talk about beauty and makeup and never involve herself in any type of "youtube drama" ever again. Which if she does I think she will do well and easily be accepted by her audience. I think she made mistakes for sure but nothing to the level of a career ending cancelation that she could never come back from.
I love negative Kuncan, he spits the truth. Make him a recurring character that says all the pessimistic stuff you don't really want to speak on all the time.
Just want to input that the Carson thing could still absolutely be illegal. If he was under 18 and there was a year gap between them, that would be 'two kids', but he's not. He was over the age of consent, she was a year under it. As someone who was groomed and abused by a 19 year old (I was 13 at the time, so there was a bigger age gap, but same abuser age) I'm so disgusting by the idea that its not an age to be held responsible at.
the david dobrik video feels so awkward because didn’t his “friends” all denounce his actions/inactions? but now they’re all back together?… is it just me who is like 🧍🏿♀️
don’t feel bad for being negative in this video, these people suck. they don’t suck on a cringe level like lele pons or someone of the like, just as human beings in general
This is why we can't cry cancel culture tho...like it's more like "attention gathering fake tears apology going on a vacation with the ad revenue generated from said apology video until I boomerang and repeat culture" but I guess that's too much of a mouthful😬
not to be That person but how does someone who made a shit video over a petty reason (tati) has to be more careful on how they express themselves, apologize, and come back to the platform than people who commited actual crimes (the rest) (idk if i missed tati drama so if there's something more pls let me know but yeah idk everything's all just really creepy)
as far as I know Tati's drama was petty at most, and yeah her return is actually the most interesting since she's addressing it in it's own video and everyone else is ignoring it- I wonder if there's something about her that makes that different (sarcasm)
Well Tati spoke about how James was using the fact that he was James Charles to force straight guys to get with him. Whether that's because he "betrayed" her with vitamins promotion or because she really just wanted to expose him, it ended up being true 2 years later.
honestly, pls don't apologize for being overtly negative. I don't think there's any way to not be when it comes to these people lmfao plus the amount of spite makes me feel represented
With the CallmeCarson drama, the issue not only is there an issue with him going after fans, but also his manipulative tendencies. Traves and Cooper left the house they lived in because of how they were treated by Carson. As well, Schlatt had said on the Weekly Slap that he had been told by Carson that he had stopped doing those things, and then the controversy came out, which means that he had done similar things before. The Narrator spoke about his experience with Carson as well, and how he said that he never goes out of “content mode.” Pushing people around him to laugh at them, even while knowing it may be something sensitive. That’s a common problem I think with big creators. They see that people online love this online persona of them, and so they just gradually change to fit that mold without even seeing how annoying that type of person would be.
I’m not sure but... did Carson even apologize or respond or anything? It feels like he just turned off his internet for a few months after it all came out.
He definitely avoided apologizing for everything. I have no idea if he's going to address it in a new video or just pretend it never happened but I guess since it's happening we just have to wait and see
I mean, he also didn't just post a new video. He posted one tweet that implied he wasn't coming back (yet). He should definitely apologize, especially if he's coming back, but it's not clear that he is.
I think I remember something about him saying an apology wouldn’t change anything and he felt it was better to just leave before he does more damage and he acknowledged he deserved to lose his place on the internet. Can’t quote me though.
I’m always so relieved to hear your take on Carson, EVERYONE keeps mentioning the age saying “she consented so it’s fine” like does abuse of power or even the concept of power imbalance not exist to you guys??
I remember coming across Shane’s post and immediately going to the comment section - he deletes EVERY negative comment so it looks positive & makes you start to second guess him.
i think part of the reason why people are more hostile towards james vs carson is simply homophobia. also his past scandals etc, he's a dividing figure
Yeah definitely, however you have to remember James’s reasons for being cancelled we’re not only “promised” to not happen again and he BROKE that promise.. but that he was way more pedophilic than Carson was. Carson’s situation is far less severe and in some senses was technically fine if only Carson wasn’t an influencer. But I do agree that homophobia didn’t help james either.
…And her ignoring the things people were actually doing , she only called James out at first because of the vitamins … Shane and jefree did the same stuff + more .
The comment about there being a difference between how James and Carson were treated for basically the same crime made me think that homophobia might play a part. I feel like because James Charles fits into the homophobic "gay predator" stereotype, it's much easier to cast him as the villain and therefore punish him harder and ridicule him more. What he did was undeniably shitty and I'm not trying to defend him at all. I just think it's interesting how bigotry (passive or aggressive) can exacerbate how a celebrity is punished by the public.
why is the difference in age gap not a factor here? Carson wasn't talking to 15 year olds. homophobia will always be a factor but to call it the same crime is weird
the only thing i hated about carsons comeback is that he said "i talked to the victim privately and apologized" but everyone was saying "no apologize in public" or "im gonna completely forget what you just said and pretend like you didnt just say you apologized to the victim. apologize to the victim AND us you scumbag!" like jesus, he did it in private. all we have to do is take his word for it. he doesnt owe us an apology except for the victims. we arent the vicitims
...why do videos of unfunny and uncharasmatic people flexing their wealth do so well? Like, hasn't everyone had a rich cousin or classmate who talks about expensive stuff they got from their parents for the entire visit? also omg shane would find a way to make web design racist or creepy. He's definitely just someone who got lucky by being on RUclips early, there's no reason he should be rewarded for his consistently terrible work.
I think an important difference to highlight here is, no matter how the internet reacted, only one of these people deserved to be cancelled. Tati was publicly an asshole to someone she at the time was friends with, but everyone else committed actual crimes. You can argue whether Tati deserves a comeback or not, but everyone else shouldn't have been cancelled, they should have been put in jail.
Dobrick’s laughter is so fkn unsettling. It’s basically like “you better laugh along with me or I will destroy your reputation your body and your career hahahsAhwha”
growing up on the internet has really warped my sense of what the “right amount” of negative is. lots of bad stuff is going on all the time & we’re mad about it constantly !
Coming from someone who put over 30 job apps out over the last three months, has a bachelors degree, and is only making about 800 dollars a month… I literally hate hearing wealthy people talk about their wealth. It makes me sick to think that I can create a go fund me to try and help get myself back to China to work (I was there when Covid started) and struggle to get enough donations… but these influencers are given money non stop. I don't care that I am bitter about it either.
“I have a memory that can recall all of the bad things he’s done, so this is not a good enough distraction for me.” Wow!!! This is such a profound depiction of honestly everyone being around humans again, and for those of us who have encountered something like what David did…and we have to be reminded that *barely anyone with narc abuse patterns will show any remorse*. Yeah idk this is just exactly how I feel about being around a lot of people. Their current actions cannot distract me from their past abuses bc WHOOPS they are EERILY similar. Love your thoughtfulness, don’t apologize for being “negative” when it’s profound and as well articulated as your points are! 💜
Thank you for mentioning about CallMeCarson situation, I find it disappointing that many people actually think CallMeCarson did nothing wrong because of the age gap, while I think what he did is not the definition of pedophilia, but it's the abuse power of a dynamic gap and he took advantage of that, I wish more people understand that.
Hearing davids laugh again brought back so much fear it felt as if i was a kid again thinking i beat the last level to a video game i’ve been trying to finish for the past 6 months only to find out the final boss has been revived and all the energy i put into beating him last time has to be quadrupled if i actually want to stand a chance.
so so happy to see you covering the cmc situation as the channels i follow rarely if ever bring him up despite him fitting into the influencer drama box with david and james
That these creators are able to keep a large, loyal following is yet again proof that cancel culture doesn’t actually exist. Many people argue that you can enjoy someone’s creative work even if they’ve committed atrocious things in real life, but I don’t see how you for example can legally stream R. Kelly’s or Chris Brown’s music, thus directly financially supporting them and then live with yourself. The same should go for RUclipsrs who in any way exploit their underage fans for their own gain. Sidenote: I absolutely adore the pessimism in this vid! ✨
Me in the middle of a piano lesson frantically opening RUclips so I can like the video without even watching it first just because I’m excited for the update
@@KuncanDastnermy piano teacher is going off on a tangent about her 5 birds and the only thing keeping me from going crazy is thinking “as soon as this is over I can watch the video”. Your weird rambles are the only thing keeping me sane right now😂 if she tells me about her bird hopping from the cage to the floor one more time I might scream
I will never understand how people didn't catch onto David being a bad person when all of his content is based on bullying his friends and acting like a high school bully
My ex boyfriend never understood my argument against callmecarson and used the argument of “oh it’s only a two year age difference.” That’s one reason he’s an ex lmao
Your outtro is always so soothing especially after a video on such a negative topic. I really appreciate that reset so I don’t stay mad throughout my day :)
Omg I hate Shane Dawson’s fake “🥺 uwu” personality I can’t it’s so passive He’s rich and pretends to be poor and you’re right he just wants validation I sometimes wonder what’s going on in his head what does he think of himself “For some reason these mother fuckers can’t stay off RUclips” I died Anyways thanks for the video again. 💕
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Can we try and uplift good creators now? David Dobrik seems like the guy to look out at the Los Angeles skyline and unironically say "I own this city"
Hey!! I live there!!
you heard the man it’s time to uplift duncan!!
Yeah like why do we all support entitled millionaires, sex offenders, abusers, and racists? There are better youtubers out there
I’d be happy to uplift you king
Cool RUclipsrs I like (mainly commentary):
•Drew Gooden
•Danny Gonzalez
•Not Even Emily
•Casey Aonso
•Mikaela Long
•D'Angelo Wallace
•Hailey Elizabeth
•miiasaurous
•Amanda Maryanna
•Kim, from the channel For Harriet
•Tee Noir
•amandabb
•Khadija Mbowe
•ContraPoints (although she is a...polarizing...figure)
•Lindsay Ellis
•Sarah Z
•Jenny Nicholson
•hbomberguy
•Micarah Tewers
•Mina Le
•Xiran Ray Zhao
•ModernGurlz
•withcindy (she used to be a BookTuber, but she's done other stuff too - super entertaining)
•Sideways (he does cool videos about how music is used in movies, and the video essays are 🤌🏽)
•TiffanyFerg
•Faline San (not commentary, but rather chaos. If you like Joana Ceddia, you'll like Faline too)
And that's everyone coming to my mind right now. They're all super awesome and as far as I know, decent people. Check them out!
the fact that tati is the least egregious of these showcases how awful the things these people did truly are
Hm? Tati looks good without context too. She didn’t really do anything bad in any context.
Tbh what Tati did wasn't even that horrible compared to the other 4. Don't think she involved her fans or other people but just the small circle of influencers.
Tati definitely didn’t do anything wrong in the first place. If there’s something I’m missing lmk but she legit got ripped apart for calling a predator a predator.
@@pillbugm8914 I mean she upset people who she had every right upset. they didn’t like that she was telling the internet about who they really were/are. The worst part is people turning on HER of all people to make her sound like a bad guy. It blows my mind.
@@jenrivera5893 there was the Jackie Aina controversy if I'm not mistaken!
Accountability doesn’t exist for the elites.
You know what? That's a perfect summary of this whole video
Whilst I don't disagree with that I'm not sure these people could really be looped in with elites. If they were elites, you would not have heard about the controversies.
@@pillbugm8914 that’s not true at all. Things leak. The problem is when they’re leaked and people can clearly see something is wrong and still nothing gets done about it.
@@pillbugm8914 things always come to light sooner or later, like the whole epstein situation blew a very big lid off a bunch of actual elites.
true almost like being a woman
Kuncan absolutely dunking on David Dobrik for the entire section is a WHOLE mood
he grinds my gears, what can I say
one could say.. he was kunking on david
@@maisynelson7202 you win the funny award !!
@@maisynelson7202 should I laugh at this or commit a crime?
@@abigaelt3624 why not both
I don’t think Shane knows life without internet attention. He’s addicted to it and as long as the internet is around and Shane is alive then he will make more content.
I agree, and can I just say, off topic- but I love your 2D pfp!
@@alexthebudgie9071 thank you! Even though he’s 42, 2D’s still adorable
HEY i saw your comment pinned on drew’s recent video!!! congratz
Shane got fat asf too
@@rinnerebirth1171 shaming him for his body accomplishes nothing. even horrible people don’t deserve to have their appearance and weight hyperanalyzed and made fun of
Duncan, how long are you gonna pretend you couldn't make money on onlyfans? Seriously, we all know the truth.
He liked it, it's coming
@Ruari Burke you would pay for more then supporting him cmon dont be shy, we all would
How old is Duncan? I might be too old to follow him on only fans without it being really pervy 🤔
@@punkybrewstar83 hes 22
@@hr-es2jj there you go!not pervy since he’s over 22. Go for it girl!
The problem is that many of those cancelled creators have young audiences that don’t realize the gravity of the controversies... or that they are being manipulated and gaslit by ADULTS :/
Sadly, yes
Now it seems that manipulating = gaslighting. Or honestly just about anything is gaslighting.
Sadly, yes, especially with Shane. Most of his fans are young teenage girls who either don't understand why what he did was wrong, or they haven't looked it up at all and are just believing whatever he's told them. I even saw one comment from a fan that said literally "I don't know what all this is about but...", and then proceeded to say that they love and support him. It's sad.
@@brittneybrisbin744 well what exactly did he do? Did he actually assault someone? Also my point was just that everybody are using the word gaslighting for every kind of manipulation, and it’s not really what the word meant originally.
@@NinjaOutfitInTheWash i dont think brittney was commenting in response to what you said. Some of the things Shane has done/been accused of doing were listed in this video, the rest is a simple google search away. Assaulting someone doesn't come close to what most of these problematic creators have done. We are talking about pedophilia, grooming, SA and much more.
edit: and yes some of these creators have both gaslit AND manipulated their audiences and people around them in different ways. We know there is a difference though gaslighting is a form of manipulation, but the content creators talked about including shane, have done both if not more forms of manipulation.
Wow, at least some of them pretended they were taking time to think things over and change. David Dobrik didn’t even try
He’s never tried to be fair. At least he’s consistent 🤷🏻♀️
Well Carson did genuinely leave to think things over. Cant say about the rest though.
They are all bad but David definitely feels the worst to me for some reason, I feel like he kind of embodies the “boys will be boys” attitude in way that is so dangerous
@@carolinej3074 ugh yes that’s so true. Like “I was just having fun!!” As though that excuse makes rape okay
@@katie-allen he literally almost killed his friends at least twice 💀
Problematic you tubers are like horror movie villains- you think they’re dead but BAAM they’re in 20 more movies 😐😐😐
The Saw Movie treatment!
cancel culture is like the Halloween series: it's supposed to different everytime, bUT ITS JUST THE SAME GUY OVER AND OVER
😂😂😂
Most upsetting thing about Shane's comeback is there will be a horde of 12 year olds ready to watch him
@@RenuNohbar yeah not blaming them, just sucks that he still has an audience
Lmao my friend thought keemstar was a good guy until I told her yesterday
He's really getting ready to groom up an entirely new generation of victims. Fucking disgusting. We can't let him get away with this
as a 12 year old i'm offended 🦧
Even 30 yr olds want him back (my sister and her friend for example) even if they know what he did. Its just people who care vs people who only care about themselves and are pedo/beastiality apologists.
D’Angelo took the Shane video down and Shane thought everybody would just forget what we learned from it
Why did he take it down again? I know there was a reason, but I can't remember. It was so well made.
@@punchdrunkassassin The premise that it was made of was kind of defending James Charles, so he took all three down after everything came out about him
@@Sunnytyme RIGHT. Thank you! I totally understand why he'd do that
@@punchdrunkassassin i believe he also took it down because he wanted to prove to himself that he could improve. he spoke more about it on kurtis conner's podcast Very Really Good
This is gonna be kind of off topic but when you started talking about how it must be for the victims of all these situations seeing these creators come back must to be terrible. And I’m not sure why but my mind instantly compared it to this classmate who bullied me and said inhumane, racist things about me, yet when he came back from the principals office with little to no punishment, my classmates who I thought cared about me instantly accepted him back even though they knew what he did. Even though they knew I felt unsafe. I’m not sure what this adds to the video but that’s all I could think about. My heart goes out to all of the victims.
I'm so sorry to hear that you went through that, that's so awful
people can be way too forgiving sometimes, which is sometimes a strength and sometimes a flaw, you can probably guess which one your story correlates to
a similar thing is happening to me right now. i'm autistic, and it shows. back in march, someone in my friend group said some incredibly ableist shit, so i called them out. and every single person except for one told me that i was being overdramatic, that i just misunderstood it, that i couldnt take a joke. so i left. the bullying didn't stop either, the one friend i had left from that group kept me updated they would say everything awful you could think of. my friend just sent me a text a hour ago that someone that i thought was on my side is hanging out with our old friend group. hanging out, being friends with them, after they bullied me and called me the r slur for years. people act like because someone didnt get punishment, that their actions are excused, that they don't matter anymore.
@@amia560 All I can say is I'm sorry. Hopefully they realize how shitty they are being.
as a fellow victim of bullying, EXACTLY. People always forget about the victims because they think just aknowledging that the abuser's behaviour was bad is a statisfying form of justice. smh
I think you’re just the right amount of negative today! Idk how these people mainly David takes a couple months away from the internet thinking everyone is a goldfish and then comes back like nothing happened. Meanwhile you have people like Jenna leaving for over a year having seen nothing from her anywhere besides Julien uploads and still she isn’t in those. There are creators who actually care and take a step back and work on themselves. It seems like Tati may have done that she left for a while too. But David, Shane, Jeffrey, James? No just no.
All these people are terrible, don't get me wrong, but I'm the most upset about Shane Dawson trying to come back. As you said his whole career is built on being a shitty person with questionable values. I really don't understand how people are okay with forgiving him
How is it not David when he’s actually physically hurt people in multiple vlogs and actively helped cover up SA?
I think it’s because Shane preyed on actual children. David’s a horrible person, but not a pedophile
@@gail5248 wait shane preyed on children???? I didn’t even know that
@@omgitskittyandjaja that's literally like the MAIN reason he's "cancelled" atm
@@MadMaddi21 i though it was all of his stuff mixed together and the part that was preying on kinds was when he was making those willow smith jokes
“why doesn’t shane retire and do web design?”
because he has no discernible talent, next question
exactly! the only place he can really succeed is here on youtube with his deluded fans supporting his every move
I think another reason for the reaction to Carson vs James Charles is that Carson is straight, and James is gay. I don't care about James one bit, his actions were gross and abusive, but you can't tell me the backlash against him isn't influenced by homophobia....
yes!!
And people had the nerve to say that because the victims were male it would be ignored. Hopefully everyone can learn from this that all victims are barely ever cared about. I hate when victims are compared when coming forward about abuse is hard enough, they shouldn’t have to deal with “but if you were a (blank) people would have (blank)”
uhh. they're both terrible. let's not pretend james is better or worse just because he's gay???
not to mention james had a way bigger age gap and pretended like he didn't know the ages of the people he sexted?? uhm
@@boots1622fan I don’t think they are defending James Charles, just pointing out that he will get a larger and more fuelled reaction due to homophobia
just wanna say as a victim of SA and grooming, i appreciate you advocating for victims. it’s healing to not feel completely silenced and forgotten.
I loved CallmeCarson as a creator. I genuinly thought that he's a comedic genius and I still do. But the moment I saw about the contoversy, I just though, "What a shame." And I don't mean that it's a shame, what they did, because it's horrible. What is a shame, that at all time, creators loose a healthy relationship with their influence and power and abuse it.
And honestly, the saddest part is, that I can't even be sure that it wouldn't happen to me, if I got a platform.
I tried to join his fandom but his fans were racist and homophobic for some reason and he never called them out
@@lilygirllisa That's quite interesting. I mean it makes sense, that he appeals to the "dark humour" kind of people. But I didn't expected that he wouldn't call them out, if there would be a problem.
@@lucebutnot3143 the thing about fandoms is they are different everywhere you go. No one group of call me Carson fans are gonna be exactly the same to they can’t really label all Carson fans as one solid thing. I do agree that in general they are really cringe though lmao
REALLY cringe
@@lucebutnot3143 so he probably didn’t call them out Bc it was a subsection of fans that didn’t have enough attention to notify Carson of the issue
lol hope you dont get famous then. jk but nah power is a drug and addicts will do anything to get it. i feel like it takes massive amounts of willpower and a v humble attitude to not abuse it. and many “creators” were def socially ostracized at some point of their life, which makes the thirst for power even stronger
your point about internet celebrities already being super rich but still coming back to RUclips is actually so interesting. so many of them could survive financially living offline forever, but it’s clear they miss the attention, and maybe even the controversy
I wonder if theres such thing as a "Stayaway" where the celebrities don't comeback and stay away forever
Death
If it isn't it needs to be
Jenna marbles is the only example I can think of of someone who will likely actually stay off the internet.
I was hoping that was what Carson was gonna do, but we can’t have nice things
Jenna marbles is probably the only person who will stay away and she is the only person we want back 😔
Imagine being groomed, and having those messages spread for the whole Internet to see. You think, maybe youll finally get justice. Only for people who have never met you to say
"I don't care. Its not that big of a deal. I would rather have your groomer all over the Internet again so I can watch him and put him back into a position of power where he could do that again." People literally care more about 10 minute videos than the lives of real victims
Especially since who the fans like isn't even a real person. It's just their fake persona.
@@brittneybrisbin744 yeah, they care more about their own self media they take in for entertainment and who’s going to give them haha funnies instead of sympathizing for the victims of horrible actions
@@hailey-rosevintora6211 who is yandevs groomer?
@@liseegeskov8769 Idk her name but she was a teen and he was am adult during this
@@hailey-rosevintora6211 saying "Yandev's groomer" makes it sound like yandev was the one who was groomed.
"I'm not rooting for anybody" perfect summary of what I think about these people
I think Tati has really good chances as she hasn't been involved in any other major dramas or slip ups beforehand. She has been very professional before the drama which definitely helps her now. Shane and Jeffree have a high record of shit things, that's a completely different context to consider
yeah but tati still sandwiched a potential victim’s story between homophobic fear tactics and simping for her brand. Even if she was right (I have no idea if she was) she still presented it in a really harmful way.
@@arosenthal3318 she wasn't homophobic,nor did she imply any homophobia. stop going around slandering people and spreading rumors.
@@krishna-dp1hd Yeah using homophobic fear tactics from the 50s totallyy isn’t preying on homophobia to de platform someone. “He tried to turn a straight guy gay” was a sentiment repeated throughout the entirety of that video. There was no way for Tati to know that the waiter in question was straight, and even if that was the case, asking about someone’s sexuality isn’t “trying to turn them gay”. There are more examples but that’s the most obvious one. Also please look up what slander is. Slandering someone is to spread negative things about them that you KNOW aren’t true. I’m not even saying Tati is homophobic, just that her video was.
A Rosenthal and she was right wasn’t she? James chipotle is an actual predator, And I’m gay so I’m sure I can make a judgement whether she’s being homophobic or not.
@@krishna-dp1hd It’s honestly worse if she was right because she made HER VITAMIN BRAND the focus of A POTENTIAL VICTIM’S STORY. To reiterate, she used homophobic fear tactics to get people to blindly turn against James without considering the actual story of the victim, as well as using it to promote her brand. Also guess what? I’m gay too :). Her blindly claiming that “he tried to trick a straight guy into thinking that he’s gay” could easily be a quote from the 1960 PSA “BOYS BEWARE” and you’d never know the difference. Preying on old fears about homophobia to get people to hate someone when there’s other substantial things to hate them for is homophobic. This really shouldn’t be a debate.
The thing about Tati is that one of the main reasons she made the video was because she allegedly saw James making moves on minors. But after James’ defense video, people sent hate to Tati either saying she lied or was manipulated. This led to her forming a lawsuit against Jeffree and Shane, which was explained in a video that has since been deleted. But, with all the new allegations on James and his admission video, people realized that Tati might’ve been right all along. This is why I think people are more forgiving to Tati since they all believe they may have gaslit her into not believing herself. I am not for nor against Tati, but I wanted to give some background information to hopefully clear some things up
Which I think it is also notable that compared to the other three her main victim was James. Then she also went for JS and Shane which then led to Shane's manifesto and then everyone started digging up everything they could on him. I know Tati's earlier support of Jeffree hurt people and such but comparatively while she made mistakes in how she went about things I don't think her transgressions are completely unforgivable. Many may never care to support her again which is fine but I think she will easily win back the support of her audience that was always just there for the makeup.
What I think is interesting is she decided to call him out once he crossed her with the vitamins
she said he was a predator to STRAIGHT people not kids, i think is an important thing to differentiate
No I don't forgive tati.
1. She made a video without proper receipts to manipulate her audience. If you really care about predatory behaviour of James, you would go to the police not make a video. Social media is not a place to seek justice. Law enforcement and courts exist for imparting justice. Millions of anonymous internet mobs can't realistically do anything. As you see cancel culture doesn't really exist. But jails do.
So the biggest issue is that tati choose to ignore proper channels. Firstly, that's unprofessional to blame somebody for something without proof. Doing so is labelled as gossip and spreading rumours. In any legal situation, if you try to spread slander outside of the court case, it always works against you in the court. There is a process for everything. Making a social media post is never the answer.
If she had some receipts, she could have made a case. Her video in the court could have been evidence as whistle blower act. But no she didn't have anything on him at that time. Collect your evidence first before blaming people.
2. Her main tigger for reporting a predator was the vitamin pills. So you are okay knowing he is a predator as long as he is promoting your company?
Firstly, that's just problematic. But also, if a lawyer can prove that your case is gone. And she unfortunately started her video with that. She admitted that her main motivation to make the video is spite.
3. She admitted that she was concerned that he was straight fishing. Corrupting straight youth etc. Although no court care about this as much. Because there are no laws as such about for or against this. But this doesn't settle well with me.
She kind of did lie though. She said James was preying on this straight guy, and then James showed receipts of their convo where he said he was actually bi and interested in meeting up.
Tati was also mostly going after the fact that he did a sponsorship with a vitamin company that wasn’t hers. And let’s not forget she was a 40 year old woman releasing a 40 minute video called Bye Sister trying to take down a teenager who was previously her friend (seems immature and dramatic to me). If she were actually aware of him being with MINORS and wanted to hold him accountable publicly, she could have briefly tweeted about it. She also later apologized for the video and said she was manipulated by JS and SD so I think they told her James was predatory on straight men and she ran with it in her initial take down video.
the whole thing about carson's fanbase of edgelords constantly defending him and standing by horrendous statements gets me so frustrated. if a person's ACTUAL CLOSE FRIENDS who know them OUTSIDE of their youtube persona, actually spoke out supporting the VICTIM and not the person (abuser), then why are you defending them???
He's A White Male Who Makes Memes A Personality, That Alone Will Have Most People Support And Defend Him
simply because they don’t give a shit about what he did lol searching for empathy in edgelords is a losing battle
You're completely right. His fanbase is....something. They are also very misogynistic so I wouldn't expect them to not to be supportive of carson.
People like him
Because people on his fanbase probably relate to what he did, and like other comments said, is mysoginistic. Nerds can be mysoginistic, but they think they're the right guys because they aren't classic Chad Dudebro Football ™
this is how i found out that carson was returning and fuck, seeing the amount of likes on his tweet is TERRIFYING.
it's VERY upsetting
@@KuncanDastner I’m still not sure, why is it not ok for him to come back?
Yeah...
@@Phill.__. he took advantage of the power dynamic between content creator and audience to speak explicitly and exchange nudes with underaged fans. multiple times in fact. previous friends of his mentioned him coming to them about it earlier and him promising to stop, which he did not do. he's a repeat offender who hasn't really shown any fervent desire to improve himself. hope this clears stuff up
@@seachelle2316 Is he not allowed to try and get help a second time? I agree that Carson did something pretty rotten, but I don't think he should be run off the internet for good. That's not giving him a chance to prove that he can change. Whether or not he does will be seen in the future, but for now, he should at least get the chance to try and make things right.
We need a new diagnosis -- internet amnesia.
Symptoms: forgetting someone online is a terrible person (usually within a month of them committing a crime); calling anyone who questions their actions a hater; disregarding trauma as 'old tea'.
This video actually links up to your last one really well: cancel culture isn't real and after a certain amount of following no public outcry that doesn't go along with a legal case and following jail sentence can keep an influencer from coming back. All of the examples you mentioned have lost some following, but there will always be people who either don't know about the scandal or don't care about it enough to stop watching. And that platform enables them to build their followers back up by bringing in a new generation of fans. In the case of predators this is of course horrible as they are again put in a position of power which they can use to their advantage, but I would see that more as a failure of the justice system. Overall I would still say it's a good thing no-one can be cancelled permanently, because while most of these examples don't deserve it in my opinion, depending on the scandal others deserve the chance to change and come back.
Cancel culture is real- just not for the "elite"
Duncan: “I don’t understand why these people just can’t stay off RUclips”
Also Duncan, about 2 minutes later: *perfectly explains why these people keep coming back to RUclips*
my sister said she read david x liza fanfiction in middle school and her explanation was "it was a dark time"
edit: i just found a poster in our room signed by david dobrik as well which i think she got for free at an event… also i love my sister so no hate to her
she read what now
there was fanfiction of them...? 😭
@@houdaini7 there's fanfiction of Drew Gooden and Danny Gonzalez. God has forsaken us.
@@kefkiroth42 for a while I thought they were the same person
I can't believe your sister stole Jeffree Star's favorite excuse
Only youtuber comeback I'd like is Jenna
yes!! joana ceddia too
Ahhh, I miss Jenna. I miss her all the time, but I know she is thriving and living her best life and even got engaged. She is probably happier offline and that’s the best thing we all could want. But….my every Wednesday/Thursday is dead now lol
@@cubeography Joana still around tho, she just posts less nowadays
@@eduardaarrais no, she said she's taking a break off the internet rn.
@@samoaahh but it's not like she was canceled like the others
"he's addicted to online validation and he's craving another hit" is honestly the realest shit i've heard someone say about shane dawson
How gaslight-y is it to be shamed off of the internet for your horrendous ACTUAL crimes and then return with an instagram post like "I know I've been quiet! Hehe!" Like we couldn't possibly remember the reason you've been quiet?
The fact that people have been more hard on James Charles than Carson I think also has to do with James being gay. When minorities mess up people are often more hard on them than they are on non-minorities.
That's extremely fascinating to consider, but it makes a lot of sense
Especially since he's stereotypical too, a flamboyant gay, almost written for homophobes (and unrealising homophobes), usually notice more disrespect towards stereotypical minorities
@@amemelia Yeah, whenever any person who identifies as a member of the LGBTQ+ community does something predatory, they become a scapegoat for homophobes to use as evidence about "gay people corrupting youth" or some shit. The number of times I've seen people bring up individual examples of criminals who happen to be gay or trans as an excuse to be bigoted towards entire communities is so depressing, and the same thing often happens with race or religion
THIS! There's So Many Factors To How People Treat James And Carson
James Is A Young, Flaboyant Gay Guy Who Does Makeup Videos And Had Rumours Around This. He Also Is Really Famous
Carson Is A Straight Guy Who Does Videos About Reddit And Memes And Has A Soothing Voice And Wasn't In Any Drama
I Think All Of That Affects It. Minorities Get Attacked And Stereotype On The Interent All The Time Weather The Interent Wants To Admit It Or Not. James Does Makeup And The Beauty Has A Reputation Of Being Toxic. Carson Does Reddit And Memes, 2 Things That Are Also Toxic (Ik Memes Seems Like A Weird One To Consider Toxic But It's The People Who Use Them) But Straight White Men Uses Both, So Ofc People Will Gloss Over That.
James Is Big And Successful While Carson Is Also Successful, But Not James Level.
James Is...Problematic Before The Incident While Carson Had A "owo soft boi" Persona
And there are still homophobes that think that James Charles has a "gay shield" while many in the LGBTQ community is calling him out.
Duncan? More like Dunking on bad influencers amiright
NICE
*kunking
Seems like david doesn't know what jokes 2 use anymore bc the only jokes he knows are sexist/racist/homophobic ect. It's like watching a deer in headlights pretend he's not a deer while a car hits him
Weren't you the pinned comment on Gabbie's music video?
@@kumjumba1377 whaaaaaaaa¿
@@rarellw342 I'm just asking. I only watched it once but the profile picture is the same, l'm certain!
Listening to David's laugh is like nails on a chalk board
Lmao
also, i heard a theory that the reason all of these comebacks are happening now is because a lot of people are distracted by the creepshow art situation.
I assumed it was either that or Frenemies ending, but who's to say
what's up with that? I saw videos in my recommended but didn't really care, did see that the people accusing creepshow also had drama between each other so the whole thing feels like reality tv without context
@@colinouille2786 well she has been accused of stalking someone for a decade. The whole situation is a mess
@Someone 333 sociopaths are better than her
"Get it? Because haha, weed. Do you get it? Haha. Weed. Get it? Get it? Weed." THE UNBRIDLED FRUSTRATION, LMFAO-
The comeback of Carson and Shane have officially ruined my year (and that's saying something)
Edit: I'm not comparing the two, I used to be fans of them and stopped after what they did. The thought of them coming back is unbelievable to me
Same
Wtf how is Carson at all comparable to a Shane Dawson
@@foreskinh8ter the comment isn’t comparing them???
@@foreskinh8ter they aren’t comparing them
and david 😔
the correct amount of negative, Duncan, you are being the correct amount of negative.
I still can’t believe that Shane used Jenna’s departure to apologize “take accountability” (I hate how youtuber’s have ruined that word lol) and also said he is willing to “lose everything” …. yea right lmao
He also used the typical deflection tactic of "I don't even know who that person (himself in the past) is!" A lot of people do that as a way of avoiding accountability for their actions. They try to make it seem like who they were x amount of years ago is a totally different person. No, that's you. You may not like it, but that's still you.
Jenna was the only good decent human RUclipsr
tati is 100% making use of her nice white lady image and weaponizing her tears, making herself a victim like she isn't a whole adult making decisions
she always marketed herself as this 'im just like you, i used to be poor and my hardwork got me here!' and tried to stay relatable and casual despite... the luxury she used to surround herself with. i stopped caring after her spat with jackie aina, related ofc to jofre starfish
I just commented about this, I stopped following her because of her support of Jeffree and making excuses for his behavior by saying "he had a rough childhood".
That's why when she said she didn't know he was that bad, I call BS.
People were trying to tell her about him and she kept having him on her channel and telling people how wrong they were for bringing up his past and how he was a different person now 🙄
"jofre starfish" That's just so great. I love it. (I would personally go for the spelling Joffrey, because of Game of Thrones.)
@@ninawth the only good thing that came from dramaggedon are all the nicknames people were making up to avoid writing JS name. I still chuckle thinking about Jasereje Sebiunouba or Jovfefe Stonks
@@kefkiroth42 jeremiah starfish is gonna stay my fave forever
@@kefkiroth42 Jovefe Stonks is one I've never heard before, but I'm going to use it always. That's amazing 😂
In regards to Tati, in her "A Year Later..." video she seems genuinely in a different place mentally than she was a year ago. Like she truly has done a lot of work and thinking and truly wants to just come back to youtube and talk about beauty and makeup and never involve herself in any type of "youtube drama" ever again. Which if she does I think she will do well and easily be accepted by her audience. I think she made mistakes for sure but nothing to the level of a career ending cancelation that she could never come back from.
seeing shanes attempt to return and paint himself as an innocent, "wholesome" guy is genuinely eerie
I love negative Kuncan, he spits the truth. Make him a recurring character that says all the pessimistic stuff you don't really want to speak on all the time.
Just want to input that the Carson thing could still absolutely be illegal. If he was under 18 and there was a year gap between them, that would be 'two kids', but he's not. He was over the age of consent, she was a year under it. As someone who was groomed and abused by a 19 year old (I was 13 at the time, so there was a bigger age gap, but same abuser age) I'm so disgusting by the idea that its not an age to be held responsible at.
the david dobrik video feels so awkward because didn’t his “friends” all denounce his actions/inactions? but now they’re all back together?… is it just me who is like 🧍🏿♀️
don’t feel bad for being negative in this video, these people suck. they don’t suck on a cringe level like lele pons or someone of the like, just as human beings in general
This is why we can't cry cancel culture tho...like it's more like "attention gathering fake tears apology going on a vacation with the ad revenue generated from said apology video until I boomerang and repeat culture" but I guess that's too much of a mouthful😬
Yeah that won't fit in a clickbait title for me :/
not to be That person but how does someone who made a shit video over a petty reason (tati) has to be more careful on how they express themselves, apologize, and come back to the platform than people who commited actual crimes (the rest) (idk if i missed tati drama so if there's something more pls let me know but yeah idk everything's all just really creepy)
as far as I know Tati's drama was petty at most, and yeah her return is actually the most interesting since she's addressing it in it's own video and everyone else is ignoring it- I wonder if there's something about her that makes that different (sarcasm)
that's part of Cancel Culture for you. double standards everywhere.
at least for all her fuck-ups tati seems to be the only one who feels remorseful
Well Tati spoke about how James was using the fact that he was James Charles to force straight guys to get with him. Whether that's because he "betrayed" her with vitamins promotion or because she really just wanted to expose him, it ended up being true 2 years later.
as far as i know tati didn't commit any crimes, so yeah im pretty sure it was just petty stuff
Probably doble standard?? I don’t know
Wow Kuncan really gonna come back and act like he wasn’t cancelled 😤
This had me sweating I was trying to remember what I did
So problematic
honestly, pls don't apologize for being overtly negative. I don't think there's any way to not be when it comes to these people lmfao plus the amount of spite makes me feel represented
thank u kunc im crying rn this is exactly what i need
don't cry!! but keep watching!!
Omg is that a ferret! I love ferrets(in your profile picture lol)
i was legit just crying too 😭🙏✨
@@siennag5039 Yesss he is my little man his name is Jon
@@biggaylol5438 give Jon lots of love for me
With the CallmeCarson drama, the issue not only is there an issue with him going after fans, but also his manipulative tendencies. Traves and Cooper left the house they lived in because of how they were treated by Carson. As well, Schlatt had said on the Weekly Slap that he had been told by Carson that he had stopped doing those things, and then the controversy came out, which means that he had done similar things before.
The Narrator spoke about his experience with Carson as well, and how he said that he never goes out of “content mode.” Pushing people around him to laugh at them, even while knowing it may be something sensitive.
That’s a common problem I think with big creators. They see that people online love this online persona of them, and so they just gradually change to fit that mold without even seeing how annoying that type of person would be.
I’m not sure but... did Carson even apologize or respond or anything? It feels like he just turned off his internet for a few months after it all came out.
He definitely avoided apologizing for everything. I have no idea if he's going to address it in a new video or just pretend it never happened but I guess since it's happening we just have to wait and see
he did on discord i’m pretty sure
@@iamrightandyouarenot2466 that is not a public apology unfortunately
I mean, he also didn't just post a new video. He posted one tweet that implied he wasn't coming back (yet). He should definitely apologize, especially if he's coming back, but it's not clear that he is.
I think I remember something about him saying an apology wouldn’t change anything and he felt it was better to just leave before he does more damage and he acknowledged he deserved to lose his place on the internet. Can’t quote me though.
seeing david dobrik on the trending page really made my blood boil
I'll admit, my jaw dropped and I was silent for a good 5 minutes
@@asdcwdfvrebttnyt2183 surprised? No. Disappointed? Yes.
I’m always so relieved to hear your take on Carson, EVERYONE keeps mentioning the age saying “she consented so it’s fine” like does abuse of power or even the concept of power imbalance not exist to you guys??
I remember coming across Shane’s post and immediately going to the comment section - he deletes EVERY negative comment so it looks positive & makes you start to second guess him.
i think part of the reason why people are more hostile towards james vs carson is simply homophobia. also his past scandals etc, he's a dividing figure
Yeah definitely, however you have to remember James’s reasons for being cancelled we’re not only “promised” to not happen again and he BROKE that promise.. but that he was way more pedophilic than Carson was. Carson’s situation is far less severe and in some senses was technically fine if only Carson wasn’t an influencer. But I do agree that homophobia didn’t help james either.
David Dobrik’s return was such a depressing reminder that lasting consequences dont exist for some people
Saying Tati’s whole controversy was over vitamins is kind of a gross oversimplification of her calling out people for things they were actually doing
…And her ignoring the things people were actually doing , she only called James out at first because of the vitamins … Shane and jefree did the same stuff + more .
@@renee4319 I was gonna say this. Thank you.
Nature starts healing, the predators come back to the food chain
it's the four horsemen of the apocalypse all over again guys, i'm tired
All the videos I've seen by this guy are him saying "I usually make happy videos, but this one isn't so happy". I've yet to see a happy video
That's true I might have to reevaluate what I do here lol
@@KuncanDastner I enjoy the videos, I just think it's funny. I haven't seen all your videos tho to be fair
The comment about there being a difference between how James and Carson were treated for basically the same crime made me think that homophobia might play a part. I feel like because James Charles fits into the homophobic "gay predator" stereotype, it's much easier to cast him as the villain and therefore punish him harder and ridicule him more. What he did was undeniably shitty and I'm not trying to defend him at all. I just think it's interesting how bigotry (passive or aggressive) can exacerbate how a celebrity is punished by the public.
why is the difference in age gap not a factor here? Carson wasn't talking to 15 year olds. homophobia will always be a factor but to call it the same crime is weird
@@chaunceyloveshack and I also remember hearing that Carson went to therapy or something.
the only thing i hated about carsons comeback is that he said "i talked to the victim privately and apologized" but everyone was saying "no apologize in public" or "im gonna completely forget what you just said and pretend like you didnt just say you apologized to the victim. apologize to the victim AND us you scumbag!"
like jesus, he did it in private. all we have to do is take his word for it. he doesnt owe us an apology except for the victims. we arent the vicitims
...why do videos of unfunny and uncharasmatic people flexing their wealth do so well? Like, hasn't everyone had a rich cousin or classmate who talks about expensive stuff they got from their parents for the entire visit?
also omg shane would find a way to make web design racist or creepy. He's definitely just someone who got lucky by being on RUclips early, there's no reason he should be rewarded for his consistently terrible work.
I think an important difference to highlight here is, no matter how the internet reacted, only one of these people deserved to be cancelled. Tati was publicly an asshole to someone she at the time was friends with, but everyone else committed actual crimes. You can argue whether Tati deserves a comeback or not, but everyone else shouldn't have been cancelled, they should have been put in jail.
This is a reallllllly good point.
It is just scared how those people aren’t in jail
tis the season to forget that you’re problematic
Swiftie ?
Dobrick’s laughter is so fkn unsettling. It’s basically like “you better laugh along with me or I will destroy your reputation your body and your career hahahsAhwha”
I support everyone who does onlyfans except the already rich people exploiting it. :/
Every time you said “am I being too negative” I was like “no no, keep going”
growing up on the internet has really warped my sense of what the “right amount” of negative is. lots of bad stuff is going on all the time & we’re mad about it constantly !
I don't even feel like David Dobrik took a break, we've all been talking about him constantly.
Great video
Coming from someone who put over 30 job apps out over the last three months, has a bachelors degree, and is only making about 800 dollars a month… I literally hate hearing wealthy people talk about their wealth. It makes me sick to think that I can create a go fund me to try and help get myself back to China to work (I was there when Covid started) and struggle to get enough donations… but these influencers are given money non stop. I don't care that I am bitter about it either.
I think you're absolutely in the right to be bitter, I'm right there with you
“I have a memory that can recall all of the bad things he’s done, so this is not a good enough distraction for me.”
Wow!!! This is such a profound depiction of honestly everyone being around humans again, and for those of us who have encountered something like what David did…and we have to be reminded that *barely anyone with narc abuse patterns will show any remorse*. Yeah idk this is just exactly how I feel about being around a lot of people. Their current actions cannot distract me from their past abuses bc WHOOPS they are EERILY similar. Love your thoughtfulness, don’t apologize for being “negative” when it’s profound and as well articulated as your points are! 💜
I finally know how to describe myself: regular negative.
this just makes me more depressed on how Jenna is probably never coming back (I respect her decision, but still sad about it)
I mean she was friends with most of these horrible influencers.. Imagine figuring out your friends were pedos and predators
Jenna Is The Only Person Who Actually Took Accountablity. She Even Called Herself Out Without Anybody Knowing About It And I Respect That.
Why did she leave anyway?
@@starlessfae She Wanted To Leave
@@buzz4205 true, I would be devastated
Your takes about Carson were refreshing. I used to love him, too, but the amount of slack people give him makes me so fucking uncomfortable.
IT MAKES ME SO MAD OMFG. Usually its because there was only a 2 year age gap but that is the dumbest fucking excuse ever.
Thank you for mentioning about CallMeCarson situation, I find it disappointing that many people actually think CallMeCarson did nothing wrong because of the age gap, while I think what he did is not the definition of pedophilia, but it's the abuse power of a dynamic gap and he took advantage of that, I wish more people understand that.
Hearing davids laugh again brought back so much fear it felt as if i was a kid again thinking i beat the last level to a video game i’ve been trying to finish for the past 6 months only to find out the final boss has been revived and all the energy i put into beating him last time has to be quadrupled if i actually want to stand a chance.
so so happy to see you covering the cmc situation as the channels i follow rarely if ever bring him up despite him fitting into the influencer drama box with david and james
my friends and i were literally just talking about how all these influencers/youtubers are coming back at once i am so perplexed
That these creators are able to keep a large, loyal following is yet again proof that cancel culture doesn’t actually exist. Many people argue that you can enjoy someone’s creative work even if they’ve committed atrocious things in real life, but I don’t see how you for example can legally stream R. Kelly’s or Chris Brown’s music, thus directly financially supporting them and then live with yourself. The same should go for RUclipsrs who in any way exploit their underage fans for their own gain.
Sidenote: I absolutely adore the pessimism in this vid! ✨
adblock my friend :)
I feel like with youtubers it’s 100% worse because you come to watch their personalities
@@adora7096 yeah and then that personality is shit 😂
Me in the middle of a piano lesson frantically opening RUclips so I can like the video without even watching it first just because I’m excited for the update
no wait keep doing piano!! don't let my weird rambles interrupt that
@@KuncanDastnermy piano teacher is going off on a tangent about her 5 birds and the only thing keeping me from going crazy is thinking “as soon as this is over I can watch the video”. Your weird rambles are the only thing keeping me sane right now😂 if she tells me about her bird hopping from the cage to the floor one more time I might scream
You're my favourite new creator, a breath of fresh air in contrast to these...whatever they are.
That's a swagalicious desk you have there kuncan
Thank you it's technically a standing desk but I am very lazy so no it isn't
It's "don't worry I'm coming back for you guyz" girl summer bb!!
Still looking for someone cancel culture actually cancelled.
Maybe regular people? 🤔 I wonder what happens with all those people that lose their jobs when exposed as racist and/or sexist.
Hopefully Creepshow, that'd be a cool place to start.
I feel like it actually kinda got Kat Von D. She has no relevance, and she doesn't even have her makeup brand anymore.
I will never understand how people didn't catch onto David being a bad person when all of his content is based on bullying his friends and acting like a high school bully
Same. I never liked him, he always seemed like a dbag to me
idk how duncan hasn't gotten more popular. he's really smart and clear in his speech and tone. i hope that he becomes really popular in a positive way
I’m SO disgusted by the amount of support on David’s recent vlogs ... seriously what the fuck
My ex boyfriend never understood my argument against callmecarson and used the argument of “oh it’s only a two year age difference.” That’s one reason he’s an ex lmao
i'm absolutely obsessed with your channel lately
Your outtro is always so soothing especially after a video on such a negative topic. I really appreciate that reset so I don’t stay mad throughout my day :)
And named the " quirkiest cult leader" LMAO ☠ that took me out and it's only 5 minutes in
"i'm easily disappointed by the internet" should be my new twitter bio, that's gold
Omg I hate Shane Dawson’s fake “🥺 uwu” personality I can’t it’s so passive
He’s rich and pretends to be poor
and you’re right he just wants validation
I sometimes wonder what’s going on in his head what does he think of himself
“For some reason these mother fuckers can’t stay off RUclips” I died
Anyways thanks for the video again. 💕
im super stressed since i have a history exam tomorrow thank you for uploading it’s calming