Cool video! finally I'm finding good info about this stuff! For archival proposes, is there any advantages to upscale the digitised analog video from the camera?
The advantage to upscale is simply to increase the visual quality, sharpness, and resolution for future preservation. Even though 4K is becoming a standard, HD will still be around for many years.
This method looks great! Can make a video that shows the video feed of this capture method compared with the other methods you've explored in past videos. I'm specifically interested in VHS digitization. I've been using the Elgato Usb dongle, and I'm looking for better quality.
Has anyone noticed any black crush in the digital version of their converted footage when they digitise it this way? I need to convert Hi8 & VHS tapes.
I just came from your in-depth archival method of digitizing (awesome vid btw) and I was wondering. If you daisy chained the black magic mini updowncross converter could you control the frame rate as well? On that note, why do you need control over frame rate? Couldn’t you control it in a software like OBS? Anyways, I appreciate your work!
Yes, if you use the blackmagic updowncross converter with this device, you can change the frame rate. You can change frame rates using software, but I prefer hardware frame rate conversion whenever that is the better option for my projects. For example, when I am editing a feature documentary that is shot in 23.98p, I want all my archival footage already transcoded to that same frame rate, so I get a smoother edit and all my other post production team doesn't have any issues with dropped frames or audio sync or any other technical glitches that happen when mixing frame rates on the same editing timeline.
@@VideoGizmology in addition to the frame rate change capability using the Black magic analog to SDI plus updown cross HD in your other video that you've mentioned (really good one by the way), what other benefits would you get over this device? There is a significant cost difference ($40 vs almost $400 for the blackmagic combo), thus the question. I bought the blackmagic setup based on your video, but this may a simpler option with some limitations. Thanks!
@@Stream-w4b maintaining a consistent frame rate and resolution is the main benefit of the Blackmagic updown HD converter. I also feel like the footage is cleaner of artifacts and is more reliable because video converters are what Blackmagic used to specialize in. But I keep saying if you are not going to use your converted footage for a documentary or media project where you digitize lots of analog video, you don't need a Blackmagic converter and the device I talk about in this video will be fine for average digitizing needs.
The one from your video and the one from the amazon link are different. Have you tried the one from Amazon? Does it work with OBS? Does is remove the glitches from the interlacing 2 fields frame rates? Does it work on Mac? Thank you for your help.
I'm not sure what you are seeing based on your location, but my link is exactly the product that I bought and am showing in this video. So either your region is somehow sending you to a different product or the manufacturer of the product changed their model, but kept their same link. Not sure what is going on. In answer to your other questions, I have not tested this with OBS, but it should work because my computer reads the device using an Elgato CamLink 4K. I'm not sure if it removes glitches. You might need another device for that. I don't notice any glitches, but I cannot confirm with my tests that it completely removes all glitches for every single camcorder/VHS/Tapes. This device does not connect directly to a computer, Mac or PC, you need a USB capture device, like an Elgato CamLink 4K. So does it work on a Mac? yes and no, it depends on your USB capture device.
@@VideoGizmology Thanks for your help. Yes you are right, here in the Uk the are changing the link and they are showing a random RCA Svideo to HDMI Converter for £28. Any recommendation on the YITROX AV Svideo Upscaler for £50, as an alternative? Will a clean power supply like "UL Listed 5V 3A 2.5A" for £15 fix the noise-glitches? Elgato Cam Link 4K is £92 over here, what is the difference between this and Elgato HD60 X fro £160? See here that both option are already expensive. 92+28=£120 or 50+160=£210. One option that I liked is the Diamond VC500 for £35. Do you think is worth stretching another around £150 to go for the upscaling option? Is there other options that I am missing? I work with Mac but I could maybe use Windows with a parallel like app if needed to.
I don't know about the products you listed, except for the Elgato HD60. You only need that if you are a gamer and want to record your game play and loop to another HD screen, otherwise, a CamLink 4K should be all you need for capturing video to your computer. I have other videos on my channel that talk about how to get rid of glitches with analog video. Most of the glitches can be fixed by a Time Base Corrector. ruclips.net/video/KjizFsQkgW4/видео.htmlsi=6TjpwTKw7XqTvotx
I got this unit influenced by this review. I found that it processes footage pretty dark. Crushed blacks and more contrast. And that is with using S-VHS input. Not sure that I care much for that. I'm viewing the output on a BMD 12G Video Assist unit. The converter does have the AR switch (that is nice) and upscales to a 1080p at 59.94 FPS (wish it had 29.97)...but still, if it messes with the picture, and gives me something not too accurate to what the camcorder recorded (or VCR)...well...
In order to go from HD to SD, you'll need a different kind of converter. I actually did a review of one here: ruclips.net/video/YvJ-3_wEsGw/видео.htmlsi=176DQjBSuLENlkok
@@VideoGizmology Thanks for your reply! Are you sure it doesn’t just input the 50fps signal and output it to the Ninja V at 60fps? That’s what’s happening on the converter I have and it seems to be pretty common with these devices. I haven’t found one yet that takes in 50fps and outputs at 50fps.
I unfortunately do not have a PAL camcorder to test this out. All I can do is repeat what it says in the instruction manual of this device and it says it can do PAL and NTSC pass through. If you are using this device for an analog camcorder, they usually only had two kinds of framer ates, 29.97 for NTSC and 25 for PAL, it did not do 50fps or 60fps. 50hz and 60hz is not the same as frame rate, it's an electrical grid frequency. But if you are using this device for another type of output, I'm not sure what's going on with your situation.
That video shown through it looks horribly stroboscopic and low frame rate. Trust me, buy a Cloner Alliance Box Pro. It does incredible digitizing upscaling and deinterlacing and it even records, um, anything that streams. At least that’s what I’ve heard. You will be amazed how great digitizing old 8mm and VHS video looks at 60fps upscaled. …you’re welcome!
He knows me I was watching this on a PC
and btw this video is very helpful thank you
Cool video! finally I'm finding good info about this stuff!
For archival proposes, is there any advantages to upscale the digitised analog video from the camera?
The advantage to upscale is simply to increase the visual quality, sharpness, and resolution for future preservation. Even though 4K is becoming a standard, HD will still be around for many years.
This method looks great! Can make a video that shows the video feed of this capture method compared with the other methods you've explored in past videos. I'm specifically interested in VHS digitization. I've been using the Elgato Usb dongle, and I'm looking for better quality.
Has anyone noticed any black crush in the digital version of their converted footage when they digitise it this way? I need to convert Hi8 & VHS tapes.
I just came from your in-depth archival method of digitizing (awesome vid btw) and I was wondering. If you daisy chained the black magic mini updowncross converter could you control the frame rate as well? On that note, why do you need control over frame rate? Couldn’t you control it in a software like OBS? Anyways, I appreciate your work!
Yes, if you use the blackmagic updowncross converter with this device, you can change the frame rate. You can change frame rates using software, but I prefer hardware frame rate conversion whenever that is the better option for my projects.
For example, when I am editing a feature documentary that is shot in 23.98p, I want all my archival footage already transcoded to that same frame rate, so I get a smoother edit and all my other post production team doesn't have any issues with dropped frames or audio sync or any other technical glitches that happen when mixing frame rates on the same editing timeline.
@@VideoGizmology in addition to the frame rate change capability using the Black magic analog to SDI plus updown cross HD in your other video that you've mentioned (really good one by the way), what other benefits would you get over this device? There is a significant cost difference ($40 vs almost $400 for the blackmagic combo), thus the question. I bought the blackmagic setup based on your video, but this may a simpler option with some limitations. Thanks!
@@Stream-w4b maintaining a consistent frame rate and resolution is the main benefit of the Blackmagic updown HD converter. I also feel like the footage is cleaner of artifacts and is more reliable because video converters are what Blackmagic used to specialize in. But I keep saying if you are not going to use your converted footage for a documentary or media project where you digitize lots of analog video, you don't need a Blackmagic converter and the device I talk about in this video will be fine for average digitizing needs.
Thats the best video i've found on this matter!
The one from your video and the one from the amazon link are different. Have you tried the one from Amazon? Does it work with OBS? Does is remove the glitches from the interlacing 2 fields frame rates? Does it work on Mac? Thank you for your help.
I'm not sure what you are seeing based on your location, but my link is exactly the product that I bought and am showing in this video. So either your region is somehow sending you to a different product or the manufacturer of the product changed their model, but kept their same link. Not sure what is going on.
In answer to your other questions, I have not tested this with OBS, but it should work because my computer reads the device using an Elgato CamLink 4K. I'm not sure if it removes glitches. You might need another device for that. I don't notice any glitches, but I cannot confirm with my tests that it completely removes all glitches for every single camcorder/VHS/Tapes.
This device does not connect directly to a computer, Mac or PC, you need a USB capture device, like an Elgato CamLink 4K. So does it work on a Mac? yes and no, it depends on your USB capture device.
@@VideoGizmology Thanks for your help. Yes you are right, here in the Uk the are changing the link and they are showing a random RCA Svideo to HDMI Converter for £28. Any recommendation on the YITROX AV Svideo Upscaler for £50, as an alternative? Will a clean power supply like "UL Listed 5V 3A 2.5A" for £15 fix the noise-glitches?
Elgato Cam Link 4K is £92 over here, what is the difference between this and Elgato HD60 X fro £160?
See here that both option are already expensive. 92+28=£120 or 50+160=£210.
One option that I liked is the Diamond VC500 for £35. Do you think is worth stretching another around £150 to go for the upscaling option? Is there other options that I am missing? I work with Mac but I could maybe use Windows with a parallel like app if needed to.
I don't know about the products you listed, except for the Elgato HD60. You only need that if you are a gamer and want to record your game play and loop to another HD screen, otherwise, a CamLink 4K should be all you need for capturing video to your computer.
I have other videos on my channel that talk about how to get rid of glitches with analog video. Most of the glitches can be fixed by a Time Base Corrector. ruclips.net/video/KjizFsQkgW4/видео.htmlsi=6TjpwTKw7XqTvotx
@@VideoGizmology Thanks very much for your help.
you ever thought about doing this with the Retrotink 4k?
Does this work for 8mm tapes from an old video camera preserving the two fields for a non glitching image?
I got this unit influenced by this review. I found that it processes footage pretty dark. Crushed blacks and more contrast. And that is with using S-VHS input. Not sure that I care much for that. I'm viewing the output on a BMD 12G Video Assist unit. The converter does have the AR switch (that is nice) and upscales to a 1080p at 59.94 FPS (wish it had 29.97)...but still, if it messes with the picture, and gives me something not too accurate to what the camcorder recorded (or VCR)...well...
Do you plan on continuing using this for now or are you searching for a replacement?
unit will not properly sync video and audio.
that's strange. mine hasn't given me any problems so far.
I saw a version of this on Amazon that supported component. Is it any good?
I don't have that version with component, but the model I have in this video has been working great for me so far.
What If I want to go from my Firestick HDMI to a Standard TV that does not have HDMI it has RC and S jacks wil this work ? Thank You .
In order to go from HD to SD, you'll need a different kind of converter. I actually did a review of one here: ruclips.net/video/YvJ-3_wEsGw/видео.htmlsi=176DQjBSuLENlkok
I can't use composite cables no more i gotta use s-video cables
Does this converter support 50hz (PAL) output? I can only find ones that output at 60fps, even if the input is 50fps.
Yes, this supports both NTSC and PAL.
@@VideoGizmology Thanks for your reply! Are you sure it doesn’t just input the 50fps signal and output it to the Ninja V at 60fps? That’s what’s happening on the converter I have and it seems to be pretty common with these devices. I haven’t found one yet that takes in 50fps and outputs at 50fps.
I unfortunately do not have a PAL camcorder to test this out. All I can do is repeat what it says in the instruction manual of this device and it says it can do PAL and NTSC pass through.
If you are using this device for an analog camcorder, they usually only had two kinds of framer ates, 29.97 for NTSC and 25 for PAL, it did not do 50fps or 60fps. 50hz and 60hz is not the same as frame rate, it's an electrical grid frequency. But if you are using this device for another type of output, I'm not sure what's going on with your situation.
@@VideoGizmology The Digital 8 footage on my tapes definitely doesn’t look like 25fps. I’m pretty sure it’s 50i 🤔
Certainly styled it like a Blackmagic
Composite you mean? 0:18
yes
That video shown through it looks horribly stroboscopic and low frame rate. Trust me, buy a Cloner Alliance Box Pro. It does incredible digitizing upscaling and deinterlacing and it even records, um, anything that streams. At least that’s what I’ve heard. You will be amazed how great digitizing old 8mm and VHS video looks at 60fps upscaled. …you’re welcome!
You are promoting a converter that you did not use yourself.... But heard... Trust me 🤦🏽🤦🏿♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏿♂️🤦🏼 .
Here a medal for you 🥇🫏
Gosh, look at those crappy thin Chinese cables that came with it. The shielding in them can’t be very good.
It is very good actually for a Chinese build.
You should cure your Xenophobia.
Composite not component
yup, I misspoke. thanks for the catching that.