"Computers will be the thing of the future." She had no idea how right she was. I'm amazed at the accuracy of the predictions of these people. The computer scientist was dead on, and last guy knew everyone would have access to email.
Yes, smart lady right there. I knew people that retired around in the late 80's/early 90's to avoid having to learn computers during the transition. I had a teacher who was really smart, but still called computers fads in the mid 1990's. (What an incorrect opinion that was.)
I was born in 1983 but my first memories were from 85/86. So in my memory things looked like this. Thanks again for the archived footage. 8:41 reminds me of always reading and wanting more information. When my family got AOL, all i did was look up and read, while everyone else was trying to find music.
To me, this video speaks to the importance of archives - and how the information in said archives can bring power to the people who may lack it. What a wonderful idea. Even the existence of this video or your channel itself, shows the importance of archives and records. We shouldn’t just let all these lessons in history slip through our fingers! By listening to the ordinary person and their earnest words, we are blessed with an honest and rare account of what’s really going on. Information is for and by the usual person - of course. Thank you David Hoffman Independent Filmmaker. I’m learning so much
Thank you for your comment. If your resources allow, I would sure appreciate your using the THANKS button under any of my videos including the one you have commented on. It is something new that RUclips is beta testing and would mean a great deal for my continuing efforts. David Hoffman filmmaker
This is how we're talking about AI now. I think the first employee speaking is hilarious, lol. She knows the ins and outs and says how some aspects are frustrating but with wit and humor. Also, I think my mom had similar glasses! I'm sending this to her.😊😆
I love this! I remember when my older brother bought a CD player. We listened to Talking Heads and it sounded so crisp and clear and loud! I recall how awe struck we all were.
I know that what's published on YT is often described as 'content', but I can't help myself to think in some case it is really reductive. So, thank you Mr Hoffman, for sharing with us your work, you are a great filmmaker, and a great person to share all these with us
I worked in law firms for 40 years. Prior to the time when computers were brought in beginning with central word processing centers and before everyone had their own computers, the belief was that someday law offices would be paperless. The reality, however, was that even more paper was used once we all had computers working on a network. In the not so "old" days, the quickest way to get a letter to its destination was by "Air Mail", which was also the most expensive option at the time. Computers certainly made instant communication possible, but ironically, they also made it easier to produce more paper with printers easily at hand. And regardless of having electronic copies of everything retained electronically in a document management system, hard copies always needed to be retained. If a network went down at the same time a client was calling with something that needed immediate clarification, one could not tell that client "Oh, I'm sorry, the network is down; I'll call you back when it comes back up." That's not good customer service! Rather, the hard copy was pulled from the file so the client didn't have to wait for a time sensitive resolution of its issue.
Hi David Hoffman 👋😊 I remember this video from the past when I started to watch your videos on RUclips like 6 years ago. I was 4 in 1980 yes you can't really video something like this anymore without some PR get on you to see what your up to lol. Getting out to video tape some interviews is different now a days. Thanks for sharing. Have super Saturday Dave and happy Easter 🐇🐣
Very interesting. I especially enjoyed the observations the professor made about Harvard transitioning from a finishing school and about access to information.
The learning curve was huge in that day; I was writing large operating manuals on IBM Selectric typewriters in 1977. We got a word processor in 1978. It was easier to produce pages then but things just got more complicated as we tried to do more and more with the increasing technology.
I was typing on that IBM Selectric at IBM lol. Then we got the MagCard and it was a dream for some of us and a nightmare for others lol. We got about one page of info on each magnetic card. So a 50-page document had 50 cards to keep in order and some people just could not envision how each keystroke was stored on that card. Interesting how the woman at the Social Security office said politics shouldn't be involved in an office like theirs. The 80s really brought money and a sort of meanness into politics that has continued to worsen until today. The guy who thought computers would bring information and knowledge to everyone's fingertips probably never thought many people would move backwards, tricked by misinformation instead of forwards seeking truthfulness. This was really interesting!
Ironically enough, I work at a large physician practice where we are still on paper charts. Currently in the process of changing over to emr but our record system is so large and involved that this transition will take time. I totally relate to this video. The paper work is crazy!
A class distinction between knowledge and ignorance when knowledge was beginning to be available at the touch of a button. Now, here we are with the knowledge of the universe in our hands, and yet so many of us remain ignorant.
My Dad sold mainframe software in the 70's & 80's. He was proud of the graph showing how many data entry people would be needed by the late 70's going forward to enter all the data until it was all of the people in the world. He laughed at how ridiculous it all seemed until he realized it all came true. We are all doing it all day long now.
WOW speaker at minute 11-- wish the so called private media could hear. And how prophetic the speaker at minute 14 is. So much privacy gone and the rest going 😢
This was fascinating to watch in light of what the world has become in the 21st century. I know less paper is environment friendly. I know since the dawn of automation machines in the workplace jobs have been eliminated, make me glad that I am a baby boomer I know what life was like before the internet and having instant access to information Communitions and shopping at our fingertips 24/7.
Thank goodness for computers! The office is now a very very organized and different place as far as filing and storing documents and sharing them. I keep all my personal stuff at home on different storage media and I can always find it and share it and keep my personal life organized. 👍🏻👌🏻 I started working in 1980, I was 19yrs old. I worked in offices and delivered inter mail all over the place, email changed that, and filed as well. At 62, now I just use the PC for everything not even having to leave my chair, LOL. WOW. When I decide to retire who knows what will be next to be upgraded in the work environment.
I think what most people, including myself, love about these interviews is the geniune responses of the interviewees. Also seeing some of them get a bit silly in their responses. I feel like much of your "cinema verite" style content from this time, stripped down of much editting or otherwise, gives a really special and faithful picture of the people being interviewed! Naturalistic! Also a love how the sound man has the bloopy thing strapped to him. David, I've wondered a few things all this time after seeing these, most of all... did the woman actually tell you what was the first thing that came to mind in response to "beauracracy"?? Because the clip suddenly jumped to her giddily snickering as if she said it! Was something cut?? (I'm guessing she meant "this company"? lmao)
They did tell me the first thing came to mind. That is what I asked them. That is how they responded. Thank you for your comment. David Hoffman Filmmaker
We had hundreds of forms, and when filled out, they generated more papers that got filed in notebooks for audits. We had multiple years of data. Okay, computers came in. We were told we would never need paper again...that didn't happen.
People looked bored back then. Look at the people in the background at 17:10. Today they would be on their phone doing something productive, back then they just sat and stared. Aren't we all glad we live in 2023
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 You mean like everyone walking around like zombies with their phone stuck to their face. Checking facebook, instagrahm, twitter and ticktock. Ya, so productive. I lived in those days, people were more vibrant and alive.
The guy at 14:00 hit the nail on the head perfectly. These other guys talking brand themselves as "intellectuals", when historically intellectualism was a tool used by nobles to justify their own power, so of course the "common rabble" does not vibe with it. Education itself needs to be rethought. as something outside of a "system" The fact there are degrees for coding and computer science nowadays is laughable, considering that referencing previous coding works would be equal if not more proof of talent and capability than a degree.
That guy said in the future people will have all the knowledge in the world instantaneously available to them with the touch of a button. After googling what instantaneously means, I’d have to say I tend to agree with him.
I wonder how it would be if we had known then what we know now. They were concerned with many of the same things we are today, but I think no one had any idea how quickly the “Information Age” would change…and how much.🖤🇨🇦
Great video, David. You manage to organize your work and find the relevant interview to publish just in time without having organized your collection first on a computer, refuting some of the claims in this interview?
l Brazil (1985 film) Brazil is a 1985 dystopian black comedy film directed by Terry Gilliam and written by Gilliam, ... This is a great comedy about a lot of paper shuffling
@14:40 to 15:00 was poignant and ‘is’ exactly where we’re at today in 2023; Where the government in concert with large private companies are using the information collected to control us. The control will increasingly get to the point (not far from now) where they will have ‘absolute’ power over your life and of your finances via the Chinese model of ‘social credit scoring’.
But some things weren't as different as one imagines. Though the boxes have got smaller, quicker and more interactive. Then as now, lawyers produced and used masses of printed information. Goodrickes Attorneys, then one of the biggest (and still the oldest) attorneys' firms in Durban, South Africa, had a word processing department, and a printing and binding 'machine room', that would not be out of place in an office today. This was in the mid-'70s!
Would we even be able to go back to this if we can’t use computers and the internet? Might be better to go into farming and hunter gatherer societies before that 😂
1980 was a good year for me, I think. I was 12 years old, life was simple and hadn't gotten too complicated yet. I think the worst thing was moving to a new town, starting in yet another new school and leaving friends behind. In response to the narrative, the mega-corporation I work for is really secretive about what they will allow employees to say and the public to see. I know of cases where they have used Social Media to spy on employees !
When I was a 12 year old in the early 80s I remember while programming a game on my commodore in basic from a computer gaming magazine, I was thinking about how the future was going to be in computers and then came autocad in dos in my high school years and I knew right then that copmputers would some day be designing complex things that would have taken a man alone 100 years to design. I saw a bell curve where technology was going to create greater technology until AI would come and be able to out think men with the highest IQs and abilities. This should show us all to have caution going forward in AI just so as we should fear devious practices going forward in pharma and genetics...
Here is another historic clip from my interviews in 1980. Cedar Rapids Iowa
ruclips.net/video/eNT1L3jGjbA/видео.html
I love the innocence you can see in these people’s eyes and hear in their voices. Social media changed people.
"Computers will be the thing of the future." She had no idea how right she was. I'm amazed at the accuracy of the predictions of these people. The computer scientist was dead on, and last guy knew everyone would have access to email.
Yes, smart lady right there. I knew people that retired around in the late 80's/early 90's to avoid having to learn computers during the transition. I had a teacher who was really smart, but still called computers fads in the mid 1990's. (What an incorrect opinion that was.)
I was born in 1983 but my first memories were from 85/86. So in my memory things looked like this. Thanks again for the archived footage. 8:41 reminds me of always reading and wanting more information. When my family got AOL, all i did was look up and read, while everyone else was trying to find music.
Lol I'll never forget those days especially using a dial up modem that would take forever just to load up one website lol.
To me, this video speaks to the importance of archives - and how the information in said archives can bring power to the people who may lack it. What a wonderful idea.
Even the existence of this video or your channel itself, shows the importance of archives and records. We shouldn’t just let all these lessons in history slip through our fingers! By listening to the ordinary person and their earnest words, we are blessed with an honest and rare account of what’s really going on. Information is for and by the usual person - of course.
Thank you David Hoffman Independent Filmmaker. I’m learning so much
Thank you for your comment. If your resources allow, I would sure appreciate your using the THANKS button under any of my videos including the one you have commented on. It is something new that RUclips is beta testing and would mean a great deal for my continuing efforts.
David Hoffman filmmaker
This is how we're talking about AI now. I think the first employee speaking is hilarious, lol. She knows the ins and outs and says how some aspects are frustrating but with wit and humor. Also, I think my mom had similar glasses! I'm sending this to her.😊😆
I love this! I remember when my older brother bought a CD player. We listened to Talking Heads and it sounded so crisp and clear and loud! I recall how awe struck we all were.
Your content is so interesting and historically relevant, it’s amazing!
I know that what's published on YT is often described as 'content', but I can't help myself to think in some case it is really reductive.
So, thank you Mr Hoffman, for sharing with us your work, you are a great filmmaker, and a great person to share all these with us
I worked in law firms for 40 years. Prior to the time when computers were brought in beginning with central word processing centers and before everyone had their own computers, the belief was that someday law offices would be paperless. The reality, however, was that even more paper was used once we all had computers working on a network. In the not so "old" days, the quickest way to get a letter to its destination was by "Air Mail", which was also the most expensive option at the time. Computers certainly made instant communication possible, but ironically, they also made it easier to produce more paper with printers easily at hand. And regardless of having electronic copies of everything retained electronically in a document management system, hard copies always needed to be retained. If a network went down at the same time a client was calling with something that needed immediate clarification, one could not tell that client "Oh, I'm sorry, the network is down; I'll call you back when it comes back up." That's not good customer service! Rather, the hard copy was pulled from the file so the client didn't have to wait for a time sensitive resolution of its issue.
I have always worked with a computer. Interesting to see how people before felt, looked and worked. Thanks for sharing David❤️
Reply that 'forms room' was the same in 1960.
Just fascinating David...you had the insight to capture this!
Hi David Hoffman 👋😊 I remember this video from the past when I started to watch your videos on RUclips like 6 years ago. I was 4 in 1980 yes you can't really video something like this anymore without some PR get on you to see what your up to lol. Getting out to video tape some interviews is different now a days. Thanks for sharing. Have super Saturday Dave and happy Easter 🐇🐣
Very interesting. I especially enjoyed the observations the professor made about Harvard transitioning from a finishing school and about access to information.
The learning curve was huge in that day; I was writing large operating manuals on IBM Selectric typewriters in 1977. We got a word processor in 1978. It was easier to produce pages then but things just got more complicated as we tried to do more and more with the increasing technology.
I was typing on that IBM Selectric at IBM lol. Then we got the MagCard and it was a dream for some of us and a nightmare for others lol. We got about one page of info on each magnetic card. So a 50-page document had 50 cards to keep in order and some people just could not envision how each keystroke was stored on that card.
Interesting how the woman at the Social Security office said politics shouldn't be involved in an office like theirs. The 80s really brought money and a sort of meanness into politics that has continued to worsen until today.
The guy who thought computers would bring information and knowledge to everyone's fingertips probably never thought many people would move backwards, tricked by misinformation instead of forwards seeking truthfulness. This was really interesting!
3 decades in tech, there’s no way we could produce the volume of work business requires today without massive levels of technology.
Ironically enough, I work at a large physician practice where we are still on paper charts. Currently in the process of changing over to emr but our record system is so large and involved that this transition will take time. I totally relate to this video. The paper work is crazy!
Glasses in the 80s were so big lol
The glasses are wearing people
I like it
True!
Yeah, that's coming back. All because of the younger generation thinking they're doing something new and cool.
@Kyle Dodson
Shoulder pads were even bigger lol 😂.
A class distinction between knowledge and ignorance when knowledge was beginning to be available at the touch of a button. Now, here we are with the knowledge of the universe in our hands, and yet so many of us remain ignorant.
Oooh yeah.Took computer classes in highschool and college, and remember floppy discs and printers printing out reems of papers😂gr8
vIdeo
She's adorable! ❤ I love her glasses
My Dad sold mainframe software in the 70's & 80's. He was proud of the graph showing how many data entry people would be needed by the late 70's going forward to enter all the data until it was all of the people in the world. He laughed at how ridiculous it all seemed until he realized it all came true. We are all doing it all day long now.
Thank you for sharing. You are a legend. Appreciate your works. Stay well.
What an amazing time machine adventure that was.
Thank you, Sir.
WOW speaker at minute 11-- wish the so called private media could hear. And how prophetic the speaker at minute 14 is. So much privacy gone and the rest going 😢
Great snapshot in time...! Thank you.
This was fascinating to watch in light of what the world has become in the 21st century. I know less paper is environment friendly. I know since the dawn of automation machines in the workplace jobs have been eliminated, make me glad that I am a baby boomer I know what life was like before the internet and having instant access to information Communitions and shopping at our fingertips 24/7.
Her blouse is fantastic.
I Love your Art David.
Peace!
\o/
Thank goodness for computers! The office is now a very very organized and different place as far as filing and storing documents and sharing them. I keep all my personal stuff at home on different storage media and I can always find it and share it and keep my personal life organized. 👍🏻👌🏻 I started working in 1980, I was 19yrs old. I worked in offices and delivered inter mail all over the place, email changed that, and filed as well. At 62, now I just use the PC for everything not even having to leave my chair, LOL. WOW. When I decide to retire who knows what will be next to be upgraded in the work environment.
You're still working at 62? Take a break dude. u deserve it
This may be the wave of the future but it also opened the door to scams.
I appreciate your history and memories elicited.
I think what most people, including myself, love about these interviews is the geniune responses of the interviewees. Also seeing some of them get a bit silly in their responses. I feel like much of your "cinema verite" style content from this time, stripped down of much editting or otherwise, gives a really special and faithful picture of the people being interviewed! Naturalistic!
Also a love how the sound man has the bloopy thing strapped to him.
David, I've wondered a few things all this time after seeing these, most of all... did the woman actually tell you what was the first thing that came to mind in response to "beauracracy"?? Because the clip suddenly jumped to her giddily snickering as if she said it! Was something cut??
(I'm guessing she meant "this company"? lmao)
They did tell me the first thing came to mind. That is what I asked them. That is how they responded. Thank you for your comment.
David Hoffman Filmmaker
10:42
How perfect.
Release that as a 'short' David.
Peace!
\o/
Yep. Social media in collusion with govt have literally been turning the switch off--silencing Americans. What happened to the 1st amendment??
We had hundreds of forms, and when filled out, they generated more papers that got filed in notebooks for audits. We had multiple years of data. Okay, computers came in. We were told we would never need paper again...that didn't happen.
People looked more alive back then.
How so?
People looked bored back then. Look at the people in the background at 17:10. Today they would be on their phone doing something productive, back then they just sat and stared. Aren't we all glad we live in 2023
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 You mean like everyone walking around like zombies with their phone stuck to their face. Checking facebook, instagrahm, twitter and ticktock. Ya, so productive. I lived in those days, people were more vibrant and alive.
First girl is super cute!
0:15 the eye roll 🙂 😍
That's what I was saying
@@temporarybackup5077 that sent me❤ she was a lot of fun you could tell.
The guy at 14:00 hit the nail on the head perfectly. These other guys talking brand themselves as "intellectuals", when historically intellectualism was a tool used by nobles to justify their own power, so of course the "common rabble" does not vibe with it.
Education itself needs to be rethought. as something outside of a "system" The fact there are degrees for coding and computer science nowadays is laughable, considering that referencing previous coding works would be equal if not more proof of talent and capability than a degree.
That guy said in the future people will have all the knowledge in the world instantaneously available to them with the touch of a button. After googling what instantaneously means, I’d have to say I tend to agree with him.
That second lady, the one in the overalls, has an interesting accent.
Galbraith's predictions have come true.
I wonder how it would be if we had known then what we know now. They were concerned with many of the same things we are today, but I think no one had any idea how quickly the “Information Age” would change…and how much.🖤🇨🇦
Great video, David. You manage to organize your work and find the relevant interview to publish just in time without having organized your collection first on a computer, refuting some of the claims in this interview?
You could get radio stations with those big glasses !
Gosh to hear the man talk about the population being 4 billion, now we are 8 billion plus
Bet she wanted to curse when she heard bureaucracy 🤣
That computer scientist was a genius
Thanls, I like Mr. ROGERS
l Brazil (1985 film)
Brazil is a 1985 dystopian black comedy film directed by Terry Gilliam and written by Gilliam, ... This is a great comedy about a lot of paper shuffling
4:11 Gotta love confident, brainy girls. Meow!! 😍
And look where we are now!
Makes lions wonder when the IRS is going to abolish paper tax returns & require all of us to go through that hellish e-file login.
Didn’t you just upload this interview a few months ago…?
@14:40 to 15:00 was poignant and ‘is’ exactly where we’re at today in 2023; Where the government in concert with large private companies are using the information collected to control us. The control will increasingly get to the point (not far from now) where they will have ‘absolute’ power over your life and of your finances via the Chinese model of ‘social credit scoring’.
But some things weren't as different as one imagines. Though the boxes have got smaller, quicker and more interactive. Then as now, lawyers produced and used masses of printed information. Goodrickes Attorneys, then one of the biggest (and still the oldest) attorneys' firms in Durban, South Africa, had a word processing department, and a printing and binding 'machine room', that would not be out of place in an office today. This was in the mid-'70s!
Consider they were 4 billion people in 1980 and in 2023 there are nearly 8,000,000,000
how often do you feel like you are under a mountain
*atleast once a week*
So how, when and who converted all these mountain's of paper onto a computer ? So many questions Haha
Yo what is the machine at 45 seconds in??
Black lady at the start was so beautiful, and I’m a white guy
Weird flex, but ok
Was Galbraith old for his whole life?
I am smiling.
David Hoffman filmmaker
“Knowledge is instantly available to anyone at the press of a button “ yet we are here watching HD porn smh
Saves less time! What we all want.
why are they so pretty
People weren't afraid to smile back then.
13:58 No comment needed.
we have adequate technology to go back to improve human’s core of ethics rather than continue to focus on carrying our problems to Mars
It might have your job one day be careful what you say.
Would we even be able to go back to this if we can’t use computers and the internet? Might be better to go into farming and hunter gatherer societies before that 😂
1980 was a good year for me, I think. I was 12 years old, life was simple and hadn't gotten too complicated yet. I think the worst thing was moving to a new town, starting in yet another new school and leaving friends behind. In response to the narrative, the mega-corporation I work for is really secretive about what they will allow employees to say and the public to see. I know of cases where they have used Social Media to spy on employees !
Thank you for the video
When I was a 12 year old in the early 80s I remember while programming a game on my commodore in basic from a computer gaming magazine, I was thinking about how the future was going to be in computers and then came autocad in dos in my high school years and I knew right then that copmputers would some day be designing complex things that would have taken a man alone 100 years to design. I saw a bell curve where technology was going to create greater technology until AI would come and be able to out think men with the highest IQs and abilities. This should show us all to have caution going forward in AI just so as we should fear devious practices going forward in pharma and genetics...
I’m interested in the eye wear fashions too. OMG. huge. 🤣🤣. And. Hasn’t she got lovely teeth.
Goodness. Wasn’t Steve Jobs a revolutionary thinker and visionary. 📱