Cloughie is a legend in the city I come from, but I can totally see why it didn't work out for him at Leeds. He was an extremely unique personality, Derby and later Forest were unfancied clubs willing to do things exactly as he wanted them, these players were already proven winners under Don Revie.
As a Leeds fan, the other big issue Cloughie had was he didn't have Peter Taylor alongside him at ER. As the latter half of his stint at Forest proved after he had fallen out with Peter Taylor he was as useful as he was at Leeds. As good as he was, he was nothing without Peter Taylor.
History shows that Clough was a good manager that is without question, but you have to ask what on earth was the chairman thinking about when he appointed a man who had spouted so much vitriol against the club, it was never going to work in a million years. He should have taken the advise of Revie and given Giles the job. Look at the succession through the ranks at Liverpool after Shankly left.
If you had told me 10 years ago Murinho would be managing united and guide them to their highest post Fergie I wouldn't believe it. Someone like Clough wouldn't let their personal preference get in the way. they want to win more than anything.
wngmv clough did let his personal feelings get in the way though, he went in the first week and told the players they were dirty bastards who should throw their medals away. Clough’s goals at Leeds weren’t driven by wanting himself or the club to be successful, he wanted to spite Don Revie because he fucking hated him
Thankfully Johnny Giles did come to West Brom and he took us back to the top division. He was a great player yes he was tough but he was also a midfield maestro IMO. Thank you Johnny Giles boing boing you are always welcome at The Hawthorns 👍
Only Brian Clough could have taken a team from the second division to European champions within three years. And people forget he took Derby County from the second division to a European Cup semi-final which they probably would have won but for a bought referee. The greatest manager of them all. From a Villa fan.
@@stevekaminski7203 Shankly did not win the European Cup he won the UEFA cup in the 72-73 season beating Borussia Mönchengladbach. They would meet again in the 1977 European Cup Final. Liverpool and Bob Paisley winning their first European Cup in 1977 after Shankly retired in 1974. Leeds United have never won the European Cup. They have won the Fairs Cup twice though. Clough didn’t just take Forest to the European Cup Final. They won it two years in a row.
@@RichardSmith-ew3xz thank you I’m not a Clough fan (RIP). But don’t want to elaborate now the man’s dead. But he wasn’t the right man for us at Leeds. 🤷♂️
NO, HE TOLD THE LEEDS CHAIRMAN TO STICK THE JOB UP HIS ASS AND UP YOUR JUMPER IS A TERM USED BY POLITE WORKING CLASS MEN IN IRELAND WHO WOULD NOT LOWER THEMSELVES IN FRONT OF ANOTHER WHEN IT IS THEY WHO HAVE THE UPPER HAND.
Kianmur ....but he was a dirty bastard!...the game is called Football....and there are RULES!....trying to fuckin' maim someone is NOT FOOTBALL!....and Revie himself was a CHEAT!....
Modern players would be too fit and that Leeds team would be in league 2. That's if modern day fanny refs didn't sent at least 3 of them off possibly 10
The problem was Clough only knew how to build great teams in his own image from the ground up. Leeds was a different animal, they were already successful under someone else.
@@kazeveready4915 Why's it not successful? It was generally acknowledged that the UEFA Cup was the hardest of the three European competitions to win. The Champions League of today is essentially a merging of the old European Cup and the UEFA Cup. Cup Winners Cup was scrapped. If Real Madrid won the Spanish League, and Barcelona come second, Barcelona go into the UEFA Cup. Are they not a strong team? If Juventus win the Italian League, and AC & Inter Milan finish 2nd and 3rd, they go into the UEFA Cup. Are they not strong teams? I could go on and on. The following season, these teams, or one of them, would often win their respective leagues and qualify for the European Cup, and one of them would lift the UEFA Cup. It was a strong competition with often stronger teams than the European Cup, and more of them. Anyone who won it was a damn good team and the Super Cup should really have been played between the European Cup winners and the UEFA Cup winners.
Clough was right . That team had all the skill in the world but were more interested in showing how tough they were. They won a lot under Revie but they came second a lot too. Clough should have kept quiet and slowly made them play more expansive football. Clough keeping quiet was never going to happen.
Clough , genius as he was , suffered hubris big time at Leeds. You tread carefully when you pull people down, even if your intention is to wipe the slate clean and build up again. He failed spectacularly there.
David . On the face of it Yes you could say that . However I look at it differently . IF the Leeds players had of swallowed their pride and forgotten about their massive egos for a while and acted professionally and just rode out the storm and did what Clough told them to do then I have no doubt that he would have turned things around and turned Leeds into an even greater side eventually . But these things take time in football and due to the players he wasn’t given that time was he? 44 days or whatever it was is not enough time to prove your worth as a manager. They could have sacked Alex Ferguson after 44 days as he wasn’t doing very well at all at Man Utd after that time period and there were calls for him to go during that short time , I remember well . Also they could have sacked Alf Ramsey after a month or so because people at the time didn’t like or agree how he was changing the way England played . This is Not Right , the press were saying at the time . Then again Forest could have sacked Clough again after 44 days as there were problems initially there too. And if these 3 managers had of been sacked after that short time then all of us would have said , Oh Ferguson failed at Man U didn’t he and Ramsey was a failure at England and Clough has failed again at Forest. And yet look at the results of having faith in them and leaving them alone for a number of years to get on with their jobs . They all succeeded BIG TIME and went on to achieve incredible GLORY with their teams . I feel certain that Clough would have done the same at Leeds IF he had of been given a lot longer than 44 days to work with . It’s not his fault or failure that the players , fans and board of directors didn’t have faith in him and couldn’t see past their noses . They were mugs in my opinion and lost out on the chance of future unparalleled success . It’s not often a GREAT manager like Clough comes along to take over your team . When they do , you put up with the crap and hardships for a while and just wait for the success and glory to come . Leeds missed out big time and instead of the chance of becoming even greater they just preferred to relive past glories . A SAD day for them when they sacked Clough but a GREAT day for Nottingham Forest .
@@choppy249 no Clough was just a spastic without Taylor and brought his grudge with revie into the squad. Shit decision making all round to have him there
@@martinputt6421 OG 97 is right if a little harsh. Clough & Taylor needed each other. If Taylor had gone to Leeds with Clough it would have been a different story. Together they were brilliant, apart they never hit the same heights. Read Peter Taylor’s book if you get a chance. It’s very enlightening about the whole saga.
Those of us who saw these players play on muddy pitches will never forget them they were all brilliant and we could name every team back then, unlike today as there were 11 on the pitch and 1 sub. Johnny was a fantastic player would be worth 200 million today and I am a life long Arsenal fan. I even ended up working in the game doing sports psychology.
Don’t think Clough would have done any better for England than he did for Leeds. What he and peter Taylor did superbly was to build teams from scratch with players he knew would be exactly right for the team and that he would be able to get the best out of them. England team is, by definition, full of big egos!
@@deeestuarythe thing is, for England he didn't need to worry about any budget or chairman, he could've literally have any player in the country he wanted
I'm glad Cloughie didn't get the England job. It was the end for Revie, it would have done the same for Cloughie. As with most sports, the moustachioed, blazer-wearing, jag-driving, chinless wonders would have sapped his will to live. It's more than Derby or Forest fans who remember Brian. Look at RUclips. It's FULL of Brian Clough stories. Any Don Revie stories usually have Brian in them as well! I will happily spend hours just listening to the crazy stuff Brian got up to, his ex players seem to have limitless anecdotes about him!
edwin starr55 - Jimmy Armfield should have got England job. Revie was clueless manager with superb team. Clough would have alienated all players aka Leeds.
Bremner, Charlton J, Hunter, Lorimer, Joe Jordan - are you fcking kidding me? jesus h fucking Christ almighty what a bunch of hard b*strds and Giles the man who punched Keegan out in the charity shield
@@edhoughton2609 stand corrected. There was also a scrap between Bremner and Keegan in the same match and they were both sent off... Hard to know which you were referring to.
That's an insight into part of the internal strife of the club of which Brian Clough was not a party to. That Leeds team were growing older yet most of those players didn't want to face up to that. All most of them had known within their playing careers was Revie's style of management hence the reluctance to take on or adapt to a different system. To come in and settle down all that angst and rancour was a feat of man management by Jimmy Armfield as proved by reaching the European Cup Final in 1975.
Thats bollox they would have adapted the fact is Clough disrespected them on the very first meeting and thats why he was forced out he was a total wanker pure and simple .
He says it was because he was a socialist. Their loss. What have they won since 66? Their only trophy came under a Labour government. Never forget that
p 28 . If not then very close to it certainly . But his legacy as a footballer has been tarnished beyond repair by some of his disgusting behaviour towards his fellow professionals . If a player today did what he did back in the 70s then he would probably be facing several lawsuits and many lengthy bans , if not a lifetime ban .To be fair to Giles he has since come out to say that he feels ashamed over some of his past behaviour on the football pitch . Unfortunately that cannot undo the harm that was done to some of his opponents .
This is absolutely brilliant what has happened to football I was born 92 and I heard so much stories of the game from my grandparents...GANE IS GONE SOFT absolutely discraceful
For a ten year period Leeds never finished lower than fourth and played in around fifteen semi finals and finals with virtually the same playing staff Clough's teams came no where near that Leeds were better and far more dominant setting several records in the process.
cheers Markus, I knew someone would bite I never said they did, but they did win two European fairs cups, which if you remember, to qualify for this competition you had to finish in the top four which you only have to do now to qualify for the champions league/ European cup, so, in effect, the champs Lge, is the fairs cup.They were robbed in '75 European cup by a bent ref and robbed in the cup winners cup In '73 by another bent ref
Revie, great manager. Clough, great manager. Interesting noting that Clough's Derby vs Revie's Leeds saw them play 12 times, Leeds/Revie winning 10 of those. Search for the Clough meets Revie video and Clough refers to Revie being the one to aspire to. Leeds were tough, dirty yes, but that was football of that age, it was fight or flight. There's enough footage going around to show that Leeds played some breathtaking football and how the best football minds of that time said they were one of the best, if not the best English club side up until that point. Why not appreciate two great characters of the game who achieved remarkable success with their sides. RIP to both.
Stats don't always tell the full story. During the Cloughie/Revie wars, Leeds always had the upper hand over Derby. At the time, Leeds was an established top-flight side, with experienced seasoned internationals, trophy winners and European football experienced players, whereas, Derby was up and coming, newly promoted from the second tier of English football (old 2nd Division), which takes time to adjust to top-flight football. So you would expect Leeds to win the majority of their games against Derby. Whether you like them or not, they both left a big mark on British football.
@@Aerojet01 Sorry, I don't agree when you say it takes time to adjust from 2nd Division to First. Leeds got promoted in the 63/64 season. Next season they came 2nd to Man Utd on the old goal average system and reached the FA Cup Final losing 2-1 to Liverpool. They won promotion again in 1990, finished 4th the following season and won the last First Division 1 title the season after.
@@frankmachin5438 Hey Frank look for some of his highlights and matches he played in . He played the sweetest passes into the biggest open spaces for people to run on to. Small but boy could he tackle as hard as anyone. Never stopped working. Great all rounder.
Graham Walker yes I agree I’ve seen everything available on RUclips about Giles, and have been a life long Leeds fan (in my 50’s) - thus my above comment agreeing with you - the ‘before my time’ comment was in relation to John Charles
Johnny Giles! No bs Irishman and a great player! Cloughie at Leeds as a bad fit all round! That Leeds team went on to be cheated out of the European Cup in the final against Bayern Munich. Leeds marched to the final managed by the late great Jimmy Armfield who was a gentleman on and off the field!
As a time seved Leeds fan, 69 first game, it always puzzled me why such a skillful player could be such a dirty twat as well, Paul. Loved em all, none the less.
the Leeds board have a long history of treating the players and fans badly. When John Charles came back in the mid 60s the board put up the admission prices
So basically they refused to play for him...I would take the Bill Shankly stance, 'if you're well payed and not giving 100% you are a menace and should be thrown in jail'...every player who under performed just to get Clough the sack, basically threw games, when fans were paying to come and watch them can hang their heads in shame, this is one of the most despicable things I've ever seen in football
One Drop Boxing got it in 1. by the letter of the law they DID through games what a disgusting club they are. as cardiff fans we look down our noses at them
Hear Hear! Roy Keane, a very talented young player came to Forest, Cloughie described him as "My Lucky Break" and he did try and was focused. One occasion he wasn't switched on, Cloughie punched Keane (the rumours were he knocked Keane out but that maybe exaggerated) when he made a costly mistake. Keane learned from it and there were no hard feelings.
He was born in Ireland and considered himself Irish. He played for the IFA team that used to represent the whole country. Was he expected not to play for them and play for the FAI team? George Best was certainly at least as Irish as many who play or do play for the FAI team. I take it is okay for a Belfast protestant to consider himself and be considered Irish.
@@gaetanomancuso3334 He also said that if anyone disagreed with him, they'd go into his office for a chat about it then after 20 minutes they would decide he was right. What an egotistical piece of sh*t he was. Vile man.
He got transferred because he fired back. Busby liked yes men. Got rid of people who survived Munich on a whim. Revie didn't mind that type. Knew he was good.
Man Utd's squad before the crash was immense so much that the reserves consisted of internationals, the third teams had Giles, stiles coming through, couple all this with Law who was already on the radar and later George Best, i doubt in history of any football club having a better squad, but for the crash it would've been interesting who would've stayed/left..
Clough was right, Leeds were hated and still are. Clough was the master he proved this with TWO European Cups with unfashionable Nottingham Forest, this is the real reason why Leeds mob are so very bitter about Brian Clough.
I've had the privilege to see the best club side this country has ever seen put todays Man City up against Revie's Leeds there's only going to be one out come a Man City defeat.
Virtually the same players one sub for a ten year period never finished lower than fourth runners up five times champions twice around 15 finals and semi's broke several records that's why that Leeds team is regarded as the best.
Imagine if Giles had succeeded Revie and there was immediate continuity, without the disruption from Clough. Yes they were an ageing team, but things might have pushed on with fresh signings and carrying on in the "Leeds" way - building strength from within.
Taylor didnt want to go he quite fancied a crack at being a manager but Clough was later generous enough to say had Taylor gone to Leeds with him, He (Clough) may not have made the mistakes he made
@@barrycanavan6268 Leeds have an up/down history. Would I like 2 European Cups? Of course... Would I prefer where we are now compared to Forest? LOL fuck NOOO!
If Clough had of been able to get his way at Leeds they would have went on to win European cups and league titles. They were a big club as well and would have been able to hang onto players which cloughed struggled with at Forest. If only Leeds had a little bit of vision.
For any manager to be successful, they have to work in their own unique way. That means working to particular systems, using particular types of players. And that means getting rid of players who don’t suit your way of working, and replacing them as quickly as possible with those that do. Clough used a lot of psychology to get players to work for him, or to get them to move on quickly.
@@Kotikjeff I'm lost on how he went on to prove it......he won a shit load but Giles made no mention of that, and whether leeds were poor champions with dirty players was an opinion not something that could be proven as factual
Kotikjeff he wasn’t right about Leeds though, which is why he got sacked. Telling the players to throw their medals in the bin because they hadn’t won them fairly. Also Leeds got to the European cup final after he was sacked, Leeds had success after Clough
Clough went on to win more trophys with forest never had much time for Giles they should have shown the best manager never to manage England respect tells me enough about them at leeds
There is a lot of hate towards that Leeds team of that era. Well I watched them and remember them as one of the great teams. Them and Liverpool were consistently the top 2 teams. Derby, Forest, Arsenal and Everton had their moments but not the consistency. Yes Leeds were hard but they had great players even on the subs bench. Whoever had an easy game against Leeds? I am a Newcastle fan and even at our best we were a class below Leeds. The surprise to me growing up in that era was that it all fell apart for Leeds unlike Liverpool who have always been near or at the top.
@@lisarubanowicz3401 OK now I am talking about the 60s and 70s. Get your fingers out and count back from 2020 to 1970. Yes that's 50 years. I am serious and you need to go back to maths class. LOL
Leeds United were actually regarded as a dirty team in the early 70s. And they inspired their fans. I remember in junior school games lessons. We would be having a game of football and anyone in a white shirt with a yellow trim would always go into tackles heavily. Always big rough lads with more aggression than skill. And this was 8, 9 and 10 year olds! The 70s eh?
My dad was a Leeds fan. He encouraged that philosophy of which you speak. My first proper game 9 years old 1976 , sent off in the ninth minute . Never forgot the old boys attempt at consoling me. " Don't worry Doug , that refs a proper soft arse. Bite your legs Hunter gets away with that every week." L.O.L
I am 64 and Leeds were without doubt the dirtiest team ever to win the league and they barred their GK Sprake from the ground for blowing the whistle on Revie bribing other teams. That is the reason Revie left the England job under a cloud as the story was going to break. When i lived in Winchmore Hill an ex player at the time confirmed this to me in private.
My mate's sister's boyfriend's uncle had a pub in Leeds and a bloke came in and told him in confidence that his brother-in-law had it on good authority that the ex-player was less than reliable.
A key player in the classic Leeds squad , world class, today he would be a millionare. Brian Clough should have been England manager , certainly not Leeds Utd
How strange ??? When Giles is stood in the dressing room, notice how the 1st three tracksuit tops that are hanging up together, all belong to the 3 players that have sadly passed away.
Well he was a strange man, to take the Leeds job and then how did he expect that highly experienced team of battle hardened players to react ....honestly, the Leeds chairman was daft to offer it to him.. but he had a lovely wife and he was apparently a very generous man. His time at Derby Nottingham was just amazing was it a double act?
Johnny Giles 'The man the players read' 🤭. His words not mine. Brian Clough the man the players and fans respect....Not to mention a legend of the game. You work it out.
To be honest, the title win of 1973-74 and the European Cup Final of 1975 would be Leeds last great harrah. Their league positions in the following years would support this analysis... 9th, 5th, 10th, 9th, 5th, 11th, 9th, 20th (R), -, they would then disappear into the bowels of the second tier for 9 years. In the FA Cup since losing to Sunderland in 1973, Leeds best achievement was reaching a semi-final against Coventry City in 1987...
Your comment is spot on.The ironic thing about the post 75 decline was the fact the REALLY GREAT players were on the whole replaced by more than half decent players, Currie, Hankin, Mckenzie, Flynn, Hankin. Mcqueen and Jordan were already there so the club should have done better from75 onwards
League Cup semi final in both 78,79 and FA Cup semi final in 77, Champions of England in 92 incase you forgot about that and a league cup final in 96 plus A UEFA cup semi final and champions league semi final
@@mick6370 you dont get nothing for reaching a semi final , leeds went from 74 - 92 without winning a major trophy . since 92 leeds aint won a carrot .
Good old big 'ead, he's so right about Leeds. He wouldn't have done any "better" at ENG and we'd've missed the glory of Notts packin in Malmoe; and besides, for the mamers in Leeds á la Yorath et al I've also got me own opinion.
It would have been a lot better for Leeds United in the long term if they appointed a joint management team of Billy Bremner and Johnny Giles when Don Revie left Leeds to become England Manager in 1974 Leeds would have achieved a lot more
If Johnny Giles had become Leeds manager like the DON wanted we would of been successful again what might of been Johnny Giles world 🌎 class player legendary player the biggest mistake Matt Busby said he made in his life letting Johnny Giles go it was our Gain the rest is History Billy BREMNER and JOHN GILES two of the best midfielders in the world who understood each other telepathic the best Marching on together we all love Leeds 🦚🇮🇨🤍💛💙🙏🤝
In an alternate reality don revie stays at Leeds United and they continue to dominate English football in the 70’s, Clough becomes England manager and they win the 1974 and 1978 World Cup
They never dominated football when revie was there, why would they have carried on ffs you leeds fans are the most deluded lot in the country you really are one city club should have done much better and you know it "we dominated" the facts mean you are telling porkie pies or dremt it
The side needed rebuilding when Revie left for England and one wonders whether he would have had the heart to break up the side many of whom had played for him for 10 years or more
@@millwallholdings Leeds won more trophies in the 10 seasons Revie managed them in the first division than any other club in England at that time and ok domination may be a slightly too strong a word, they were certainly the most successful
@@OG-97 Kalvin is not even close to Johnny Giles or Billy Bremner....Leeds were playing in the European Cup, Cup Winners cup and Fairs Cup year after year mixing with the best players in Europe as well as England. Kalvin will do well to get near that.
@@LG-kl3co don't understand how you oldies don't see how much better players are technically and physically. Footballers these days shit over footballers from the past. Please don't let nostalgia get in the way. Sure they were good and brilliant at some parts. But football has evolved and players are naturally better than players were decades ago
Hated everywhere outside West Yorkshire for that 10 year period, roughly 1965 - 1975., It can't be denied regardless of their sometime approach to the game that they were formidable opposition. They played their part in ensuring the English first division was without question the best league in world football. They won a bit - and it was 'a bit'. I did a quick research a few years ago and couldn't believe how many times they finished 'runner up' in competition. Factor in also beaten semi finalists. Credit where it's due - If they had won just 50% where they came 'second' they would be lauded in the same style as Liverpool of the 1970's/80's and Man U of 1990's/2000's.
7 weeks wasn't enough and isn't enough in any job. What Clough did and how he did it was besides the point. The point is had he been given long enough Clough would have made leeds in his own image not Revie's Ex and they would have been European champions. They needed to be told to raise their game, that they weren't good enough a year later. Harsh but true. He also wanted a few of them gone so he could replace them. Leeds' loss Forest's gain.
Creating a huge rift with the players immediately can hardly be described as great management. He wasn’t forced to make a mess of the situation, and given they had just won the league, they were hardly a washed up team.
I say this, although I am not a leeds or notts forest fan ... the players got rid of clough by not playing for him. Leeds reached the 1975 European Cup Final and lost then got relageted in the early 1980s So what happened to Brian Clough ... he took over a lowley east midlands second division club, won the second division. In the first year in the first division, they The League Championship! In 1978 they knocked out Liverpool (The twice consecutive European Champions) and went on to win The European Cupin79-80 one after the other just like Liverpool ... Oh and the won numerouse League Cup wins as well ... Leeds United "Oh You Stupid FOOLS" it could have been YOU!.
They would have had to humble themselves wouldn't they .. It wasn't going to work I remember it all it was bizzare. But he liked his players to be humble and that N Forest team were ...
From what i read about clough, he was a manager who rather build up a team than take up a ready team. I believe jurgen klopp represents his style today.
Big difference between taking over for Don Revie compared to Brendan Rodgers. Clough was destined to fail at Leeds albeit the players were to blame to a great degree.
Shows that all of us have successes and failures in life. Clough got it wrong at Leeds. It was also the wrong decision to take the job in the first place! A great manager.. but a mortal man!
He was a small & hugely skillful player at a time in English Football where guys like that were mercilessly preyed upon week in, week out & offered little or no protection by match officials. One bad tackle & your career could be finished. He and others like him quickly came to the realisation that being perceived as a guy who'd take no nonsense from the likes of Chopper Harris, Peter Osgood or Peter Storey was the only way to preserve your physical and mental integrity. As Giles has always professed, great players have the moral courage to never hide from the ball - get on it, impose your game, don't be cowed or intimidated & have confidence in your skills to deliver for the team. He was no angel, but boy could that guy play. Just felt the discussion needed a bit of context by the way.
Well yes, I agree he was a superb player but he had a nasty streak that you chose to leave out. I was spoilt though, having supported West Ham where Brooking for some reason never 'left the foot in' or used his studs. There was something nastier than you are prepared to grant and yours is special pleading really i.e. you'd not be judging him thus if he were not a Leeds player I think. But his passing was as good as Hoddle's - he governed the midfield better though, a general - and he was part of an unlikeable but very impressive Leeds side. I still recall that 1971 Cup final replay with Chelsea. Blimey! Best wishes Gary P.S. Nice to recall Chopper features in Monty Python's version of 'The Importance of Being Ernest' where he "brings down Lady Bracknell with a series of short jabbing punches to the neck" or some such. Top stuff. Their Madeley "goal" was good, merely describing a cross and a header, with another, Cooper possibly said "Great goal Paul." Still makes me laugh. Best wishes. Gary
And Norman said "I couldn't give a fuck". That completely sums up the mentality of Leeds United football club and everybody they represent, including fans. We don't care in the slightest what anybody thinks of us, completely 100% stubborn and arrogant. A big reason why so many people hate us, and I fucking love it.
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Johnny in the locker room...very moving for me...these players were very proud of what they achieved in the 1970's
As Clough correctly said they never won anything without cheating
Cloughie is a legend in the city I come from, but I can totally see why it didn't work out for him at Leeds. He was an extremely unique personality, Derby and later Forest were unfancied clubs willing to do things exactly as he wanted them, these players were already proven winners under Don Revie.
He reminds me of mourinho if that makes sense. Listening the the clough interviews.
they cheated their way to the title
@@bobtudbury8505 Forest did? I never knew that.
still cannot admit that leeds cheated and revie was a pile of junk, there is no cure for you @@CB-xr1eg
As a Leeds fan, the other big issue Cloughie had was he didn't have Peter Taylor alongside him at ER. As the latter half of his stint at Forest proved after he had fallen out with Peter Taylor he was as useful as he was at Leeds. As good as he was, he was nothing without Peter Taylor.
History shows that Clough was a good manager that is without question, but you have to ask what on earth was the chairman thinking about when he appointed a man who had spouted so much vitriol against the club, it was never going to work in a million years. He should have taken the advise of Revie and given Giles the job. Look at the succession through the ranks at Liverpool after Shankly left.
Funnily enough though didn't Shankly recommend Jack Charlton as his successor only to be overruled?
If you had told me 10 years ago Murinho would be managing united and guide them to their highest post Fergie I wouldn't believe it.
Someone like Clough wouldn't let their personal preference get in the way. they want to win more than anything.
colin moss That is absolutely true. A mountain to climb. But well worth the effort if you have the vision. Leeds failed to have the vision.
wngmv clough did let his personal feelings get in the way though, he went in the first week and told the players they were dirty bastards who should throw their medals away. Clough’s goals at Leeds weren’t driven by wanting himself or the club to be successful, he wanted to spite Don Revie because he fucking hated him
Harvey Holmes They couldn’t deny it.
Thankfully Johnny Giles did come to West Brom and he took us back to the top division.
He was a great player yes he was tough but he was also a midfield maestro IMO.
Thank you Johnny Giles boing boing you are always welcome at The Hawthorns 👍
Tough? He was dirty. All Leeds' players were dirty. Revie encouraged it.
Stephen Reeds Hear, Hear, all those in favour say Eee by Gum I’m a Yorkshire mon.!
It was Leeds loss that they didn’t appoint Giles as Manager, he would have been perfect to take over after Revie
@@stephenreeds3672 Jealous!!
As a player manager he was superb. Not so much when he returned with brother in law Nobby Stiles and Norman Hunter. In life you should never go back.
Jonny had the vision that many players could only dream of......he was that good.... world class....
Only Brian Clough could have taken a team from the second division to European champions within three years. And people forget he took Derby County from the second division to a European Cup semi-final which they probably would have won but for a bought referee. The greatest manager of them all. From a Villa fan.
Bullshit. Do your homework first.
@@hossainshaikhani1297which bit?
Revie. Leeds from 2nd division. Shankly. Liverpool ditto. & several more mangers took 2nd div clubs to european finals. 🤷♂️
@@stevekaminski7203 Shankly did not win the European Cup he won the UEFA cup in the 72-73 season beating Borussia Mönchengladbach. They would meet again in the 1977 European Cup Final. Liverpool and Bob Paisley winning their first European Cup in 1977 after Shankly retired in 1974. Leeds United have never won the European Cup. They have won the Fairs Cup twice though. Clough didn’t just take Forest to the European Cup Final. They won it two years in a row.
@@RichardSmith-ew3xz thank you I’m not a Clough fan (RIP). But don’t want to elaborate now the man’s dead. But he wasn’t the right man for us at Leeds. 🤷♂️
Johnny is and will always be a Total Leeds Legend.
Phenomenal player and passer of the ball. Untouchable with Billy....
Leeds legend. And when he came to wba he was our saviour. Brilliant player.come on John. Did you really say up your jumper.
NO, HE TOLD THE LEEDS CHAIRMAN TO STICK THE JOB UP HIS ASS AND UP YOUR JUMPER IS A TERM USED BY POLITE WORKING CLASS MEN IN IRELAND WHO WOULD NOT LOWER THEMSELVES IN FRONT OF ANOTHER WHEN IT IS THEY WHO HAVE THE UPPER HAND.
@@christopherobrien6680 shiver mi timbers, mr o. i knew you'se doffed ya cap to the filth that is the "brothers".....history now ?.....alaw !
Have I missed something? West Brom? And what ? They're world beaters eh? More dust in their trophy cabinet than dusty mc brooms dustpan.
My dad said leeds under revie were dirty but brilliant. I asked him about Johnny Giles and he said he was phenomenal player
Giles was a maestro in midfield. Ran the show
Your mother said he dirty but brilliant too.
Giles was an incredible midfielder, he had it all he was like Roy Keane, Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard all rolled into one. He was phenomenal
Kianmur ....but he was a dirty bastard!...the game is called Football....and there are RULES!....trying to fuckin' maim someone is NOT FOOTBALL!....and Revie himself was a CHEAT!....
Brilliant on the ball dirty as fk off it .. old school Scottish mentality
Modern players wouldn’t last five minutes amongst these lot....hard men in hard times...
Modern players would be too fit and that Leeds team would be in league 2. That's if modern day fanny refs didn't sent at least 3 of them off possibly 10
The problem was Clough only knew how to build great teams in his own image from the ground up. Leeds was a different animal, they were already successful under someone else.
Domestically successful. Not successful in europe..
Kai Everill not yet
@@kazeveready4915 They won the UEFA Cup twice. I'd call that successful.
@@limedickandrew6016 I wouldnt call that successful,I'd call winning the champions league 2 years in a row as not many teams do that at all
@@kazeveready4915 Why's it not successful? It was generally acknowledged that the UEFA Cup was the hardest of the three European competitions to win. The Champions League of today is essentially a merging of the old European Cup and the UEFA Cup. Cup Winners Cup was scrapped. If Real Madrid won the Spanish League, and Barcelona come second, Barcelona go into the UEFA Cup. Are they not a strong team? If Juventus win the Italian League, and AC & Inter Milan finish 2nd and 3rd, they go into the UEFA Cup. Are they not strong teams? I could go on and on. The following season, these teams, or one of them, would often win their respective leagues and qualify for the European Cup, and one of them would lift the UEFA Cup. It was a strong competition with often stronger teams than the European Cup, and more of them. Anyone who won it was a damn good team and the Super Cup should really have been played between the European Cup winners and the UEFA Cup winners.
Clough was right . That team had all the skill in the world but were more interested in showing how tough they were. They won a lot under Revie but they came second a lot too. Clough should have kept quiet and slowly made them play more expansive football. Clough keeping quiet was never going to happen.
Clough , genius as he was , suffered hubris big time at Leeds. You tread carefully when you pull people down, even if your intention is to wipe the slate clean and build up again. He failed spectacularly there.
David . On the face of it Yes you could say that . However I look at it differently . IF the Leeds players had of swallowed their pride and forgotten about their massive egos for a while and acted professionally and just rode out the storm and did what Clough told them to do then I have no doubt that he would have turned things around and turned Leeds into an even greater side eventually . But these things take time in football and due to the players he wasn’t given that time was he? 44 days or whatever it was is not enough time to prove your worth as a manager. They could have sacked Alex Ferguson after 44 days as he wasn’t doing very well at all at Man Utd after that time period and there were calls for him to go during that short time , I remember well . Also they could have sacked Alf Ramsey after a month or so because people at the time didn’t like or agree how he was changing the way England played . This is Not Right , the press were saying at the time . Then again Forest could have sacked Clough again after 44 days as there were problems initially there too. And if these 3 managers had of been sacked after that short time then all of us would have said , Oh Ferguson failed at Man U didn’t he and Ramsey was a failure at England and Clough has failed again at Forest. And yet look at the results of having faith in them and leaving them alone for a number of years to get on with their jobs . They all succeeded BIG TIME and went on to achieve incredible GLORY with their teams . I feel certain that Clough would have done the same at Leeds IF he had of been given a lot longer than 44 days to work with . It’s not his fault or failure that the players , fans and board of directors didn’t have faith in him and couldn’t see past their noses . They were mugs in my opinion and lost out on the chance of future unparalleled success . It’s not often a GREAT manager like Clough comes along to take over your team . When they do , you put up with the crap and hardships for a while and just wait for the success and glory to come . Leeds missed out big time and instead of the chance of becoming even greater they just preferred to relive past glories . A SAD day for them when they sacked Clough but a GREAT day for Nottingham Forest .
@@choppy249 no Clough was just a spastic without Taylor and brought his grudge with revie into the squad. Shit decision making all round to have him there
@@OG-97 Bitter much.
@@martinputt6421 won't hide that I'm bitter, won't also hide the fact I'm speaking facts either
@@martinputt6421 OG 97 is right if a little harsh. Clough & Taylor needed each other. If Taylor had gone to Leeds with Clough it would have been a different story. Together they were brilliant, apart they never hit the same heights. Read Peter Taylor’s book if you get a chance. It’s very enlightening about the whole saga.
Those of us who saw these players play on muddy pitches will never forget them they were all brilliant and we could name every team back then, unlike today as there were 11 on the pitch and 1 sub. Johnny was a fantastic player would be worth 200 million today and I am a life long Arsenal fan. I even ended up working in the game doing sports psychology.
Two bad moves revie goin england,clough goin leeds,clough should have been england manager
Don’t think Clough would have done any better for England than he did for Leeds. What he and peter Taylor did superbly was to build teams from scratch with players he knew would be exactly right for the team and that he would be able to get the best out of them. England team is, by definition, full of big egos!
@@deeestuarythe thing is, for England he didn't need to worry about any budget or chairman, he could've literally have any player in the country he wanted
I'm glad Cloughie didn't get the England job. It was the end for Revie, it would have done the same for Cloughie. As with most sports, the moustachioed, blazer-wearing, jag-driving, chinless wonders would have sapped his will to live. It's more than Derby or Forest fans who remember Brian. Look at RUclips. It's FULL of Brian Clough stories. Any Don Revie stories usually have Brian in them as well! I will happily spend hours just listening to the crazy stuff Brian got up to, his ex players seem to have limitless anecdotes about him!
The F.a and Clough hated each other never going to happen
edwin starr55 - Jimmy Armfield should have got England job. Revie was clueless manager with superb team. Clough would have alienated all players aka Leeds.
Look at the names on those tops hanging up in the changeroom - what a squad that is regardless of any pre-existing bias.
Bremner, Charlton J, Hunter, Lorimer, Joe Jordan - are you fcking kidding me? jesus h fucking Christ almighty what a bunch of hard b*strds and Giles the man who punched Keegan out in the charity shield
There isn't an average player there. Non. No wonder they were successful.
@@ehought Bremner. Not Giles.
@@SirPeter6464 It was Giles ruclips.net/video/2BWAL7ADsi0/видео.html
@@edhoughton2609 stand corrected. There was also a scrap between Bremner and Keegan in the same match and they were both sent off... Hard to know which you were referring to.
You are the best manager we never had. Johnny giles. What a man. What a player. M. O. T.
Thé greatest manager who ever lived was Don Revie.His name will live for ever.merci
@@DA-ol8dp
Absolutely right.
@@DA-ol8dp I think you need to actually read and understand his comment numb nuts
That's an insight into part of the internal strife of the club of which Brian Clough was not a party to. That Leeds team were growing older yet most of those players didn't want to face up to that. All most of them had known within their playing careers was Revie's style of management hence the reluctance to take on or adapt to a different system. To come in and settle down all that angst and rancour was a feat of man management by Jimmy Armfield as proved by reaching the European Cup Final in 1975.
Thats bollox they would have adapted the fact is Clough disrespected them on the very first meeting and thats why he was forced out he was a total wanker pure and simple .
As the old saying goes, 'you can't teach an old dog new tricks'.
brian clough the best england manager england sadly never had!
Tell yourself that if it makes you feel better.
He says it was because he was a socialist. Their loss. What have they won since 66? Their only trophy came under a Labour government. Never forget that
@@saxglend9439 where are u from? How old are you? What the f**k do u know whippersnapper?
@JD C outstanding comments fella
mike strutter they would never have gone for clough he wasn’t a yes man the fa wanted
Giles was world class.
True world class.
A nasty little fooker.
p 28 . If not then very close to it certainly . But his legacy as a footballer has been tarnished beyond repair by some of his disgusting behaviour towards his fellow professionals . If a player today did what he did back in the 70s then he would probably be facing several lawsuits and many lengthy bans , if not a lifetime ban .To be fair to Giles he has since come out to say that he feels ashamed over some of his past behaviour on the football pitch . Unfortunately that cannot undo the harm that was done to some of his opponents .
Lots of bulls
"I went for him" :-D
Giles sounds a real character!
Or a psychotic thug.
This is absolutely brilliant what has happened to football I was born 92 and I heard so much stories of the game from my grandparents...GANE IS GONE SOFT absolutely discraceful
The nicest football manager I came across working in an hotel in west Bromwich 83/84
You mean to say "the only one you came across"
Clough was nothing but a mouth and a bully
He's talking about Giles ya numpty
@@fenway7794 clough knew how to win things like alex Ferguson and jose all 3 are bullys
The thing is, Clough won two European Cups - Revie won none.
John Robertson.
For a ten year period Leeds never finished lower than fourth and played in around fifteen semi finals and finals with virtually the same playing staff Clough's teams came no where near that Leeds were better and far more dominant setting several records in the process.
yep, nearly......Same playing staff were coming to the end of their road, good as they were they could not go on forever..
Get your facts right, the Don won two European trophies with Leeds
cheers Markus, I knew someone would bite I never said they did, but they did win two European fairs cups, which if you remember, to qualify for this competition you had to finish in the top four which you only have to do now to qualify for the champions league/ European cup, so, in effect, the champs Lge, is the fairs cup.They were robbed in '75 European cup by a bent ref and robbed in the cup winners cup In '73 by another bent ref
Revie, great manager. Clough, great manager. Interesting noting that Clough's Derby vs Revie's Leeds saw them play 12 times, Leeds/Revie winning 10 of those. Search for the Clough meets Revie video and Clough refers to Revie being the one to aspire to. Leeds were tough, dirty yes, but that was football of that age, it was fight or flight. There's enough footage going around to show that Leeds played some breathtaking football and how the best football minds of that time said they were one of the best, if not the best English club side up until that point.
Why not appreciate two great characters of the game who achieved remarkable success with their sides. RIP to both.
The game was a lot different in that era - Revie-style would be dominant during that period but agree both great managers
Stats don't always tell the full story. During the Cloughie/Revie wars, Leeds always had the upper hand over Derby. At the time, Leeds was an established top-flight side, with experienced seasoned internationals, trophy winners and European football experienced players, whereas, Derby was up and coming, newly promoted from the second tier of English football (old 2nd Division), which takes time to adjust to top-flight football. So you would expect Leeds to win the majority of their games against Derby. Whether you like them or not, they both left a big mark on British football.
@@Aerojet01 Sorry, I don't agree when you say it takes time to adjust from 2nd Division to First. Leeds got promoted in the 63/64 season. Next season they came 2nd to Man Utd on the old goal average system and reached the FA Cup Final losing 2-1 to Liverpool. They won promotion again in 1990, finished 4th the following season and won the last First Division 1 title the season after.
Best player Leeds ever had. Ever. No doubt.
Well that’s just our opinion....😉
John Charles was the best.
David Hardwick yes that’s what people say but just a little before my time....😀
@@frankmachin5438 Hey Frank look for some of his highlights and matches he played in . He played the sweetest passes into the biggest open spaces for people to run on to. Small but boy could he tackle as hard as anyone. Never stopped working. Great all rounder.
Graham Walker yes I agree I’ve seen everything available on RUclips about Giles, and have been a life long Leeds fan (in my 50’s) - thus my above comment agreeing with you - the ‘before my time’ comment was in relation to John Charles
He was absolute class...
Johnny Giles! No bs Irishman and a great player! Cloughie at Leeds as a bad fit all round! That Leeds team went on to be cheated out of the European Cup in the final against Bayern Munich. Leeds marched to the final managed by the late great Jimmy Armfield who was a gentleman on and off the field!
John Giles is a legend of a man
As a time seved Leeds fan, 69 first game, it always puzzled me why such a skillful player could be such a dirty twat as well, Paul. Loved em all, none the less.
“Nothing can be loved or hated unless it is first understood.”
Leonardo da Vinci.
the Leeds board have a long history of treating the players and fans badly. When John Charles came back in the mid 60s the board put up the admission prices
So basically they refused to play for him...I would take the Bill Shankly stance, 'if you're well payed and not giving 100% you are a menace and should be thrown in jail'...every player who under performed just to get Clough the sack, basically threw games, when fans were paying to come and watch them can hang their heads in shame, this is one of the most despicable things I've ever seen in football
One Drop Boxing
got it in 1. by the letter of the law they DID through games
what a disgusting club they are.
as cardiff fans we look down our noses at them
Agreed. Also Clough was right but them being dirty.. They were not hard - they were dirty. Big difference. Glad they just history now.
still happens
Hear Hear! Roy Keane, a very talented young player came to Forest, Cloughie described him as "My Lucky Break" and he did try and was focused. One occasion he wasn't switched on, Cloughie punched Keane (the rumours were he knocked Keane out but that maybe exaggerated) when he made a costly mistake. Keane learned from it and there were no hard feelings.
Ha ha Clive Bindley, You do not need perfect grammar or spelling to know your stuff or say it as it is and Philip Perry did just that.
Clough-Taylor magnificent, Clough without him not so great
Clough won honours without Taylor, in fact 10 years after Taylor left.
@@charlypassant3036 No Charly. Clough was at Forest for 9 years after Taylor, not 10, and he won just 2 league cups. Plus alcoholic of the year award.
Johnny Giles was Irelands best player in my opinion ...wonderful passing ability
It's not about the jackeen, mr Redmond. Context, young man, context.
Matt Busbys biggest mistake was selling Giles
He certainly wasn't as good as George Best.
@@vincentmcnabb939
He didn't play for Ireland.
He was born in Ireland and considered himself Irish. He played for the IFA team that used to represent the whole country. Was he expected not to play for them and play for the FAI team? George Best was certainly at least as Irish as many who play or do play for the FAI team. I take it is okay for a Belfast protestant to consider himself and be considered Irish.
Brian Clough wasn't the best manager in the world but he was in the top one!
He, said so !
@@gaetanomancuso3334 He also said that if anyone disagreed with him, they'd go into his office for a chat about it then after 20 minutes they would decide he was right. What an egotistical piece of sh*t he was. Vile man.
I just started watching man Utd just before Giles left .he was the type of player I liked who got stuck in.
He got transferred because he fired back. Busby liked yes men. Got rid of people who survived Munich on a whim. Revie didn't mind that type. Knew he was good.
Man Utd's squad before the crash was immense so much that the reserves consisted of internationals, the third teams had Giles, stiles coming through, couple all this with Law who was already on the radar and later George Best, i doubt in history of any football club having a better squad, but for the crash it would've been interesting who would've stayed/left..
Clough was right, Leeds were hated and still are. Clough was the master he proved this with TWO European Cups with unfashionable Nottingham Forest, this is the real reason why Leeds mob are so very bitter about Brian Clough.
I've had the privilege to see the best club side this country has ever seen put todays Man City up against Revie's Leeds there's only going to be one out come a Man City defeat.
mick lufc 😆😂
If you were the best club side you'd of won the European cup like other teams have.
Virtually the same players one sub for a ten year period never finished lower than fourth runners up five times champions twice around 15 finals and semi's broke several records that's why that Leeds team is regarded as the best.
But it isn't regarded as the best is it, maybe by you but you know if there was a vote it wouldn't be top 3. Though this all all subjective.
Brian Clough is a legend.
But not at Leeds! Bad fit, made worse by his insulting attitude to the players on first meeting them. Also nowhere as good without Peter Taylor.
but it should really be Clough-Taylor
1990 he was a legend God bless him.
1990 yes he was a forest legend. Giles was a Leeds legend. I'm not a Leeds supporter. Just seeing how it was in the 70s.
Mizofan, ..Yes you're right it should, Clough won next to nothing without Taylor.
Imagine if Giles had succeeded Revie and there was immediate continuity, without the disruption from Clough. Yes they were an ageing team, but things might have pushed on with fresh signings and carrying on in the "Leeds" way - building strength from within.
He should never have gone there without Peter Taylor.
El Ta . So very true . It all could have been so totally different if he had .
Damned United good movie but bollocks.
Taylor didnt want to go he quite fancied a crack at being a manager but Clough was later generous enough to say had Taylor gone to Leeds with him, He (Clough) may not have made the mistakes he made
Could peter taylor be the biggest unsung hero of all time?
Some great managers have had very good assistants
77-78.,when Forest won the league in a division that included Derby & Leeds, sweet!
gavin reid also got them relegated in 92/93 👍
@@andrekilner9962 he was well past his best by then he had lot of drinking problems
@@andrekilner9962 won 2 European cups with forest, Leeds wish it was them.
@@barrycanavan6268 Leeds have an up/down history. Would I like 2 European Cups? Of course... Would I prefer where we are now compared to Forest? LOL fuck NOOO!
If Clough had of been able to get his way at Leeds they would have went on to win European cups and league titles. They were a big club as well and would have been able to hang onto players which cloughed struggled with at Forest.
If only Leeds had a little bit of vision.
Clough shot himself in the foot at Leeds. Well and truly.
Right club wrong time
@@SMSJSC no he didn't I'd rate him above than revie tbh then again I was born in 2000
For any manager to be successful, they have to work in their own unique way. That means working to particular systems, using particular types of players. And that means getting rid of players who don’t suit your way of working, and replacing them as quickly as possible with those that do. Clough used a lot of psychology to get players to work for him, or to get them to move on quickly.
jonny giles was on hell of a good player believe me...
he sure was mate, i was a regular in the glory days. saw all the home games. well i missed the start of a few when stuck in the peacock. lol
Giles. Great player. Clough was right. Went on to prove it.
Right about what?......
jon Johnson Leeds. What else?
@@Kotikjeff I'm lost on how he went on to prove it......he won a shit load but Giles made no mention of that, and whether leeds were poor champions with dirty players was an opinion not something that could be proven as factual
jon Johnson Lost? Yes. You would be. Leeds. Lost.
Kotikjeff he wasn’t right about Leeds though, which is why he got sacked. Telling the players to throw their medals in the bin because they hadn’t won them fairly. Also Leeds got to the European cup final after he was sacked, Leeds had success after Clough
Back then players were cannon fodder how the tide has turned
Good man , good father, I would rather have 1 Brian clough in the trenches with me than the whole Leeds squad
Wow.
I’d only want him in the trenches on the odd day he managed to remain sober.
Clough was great!
Clough went on to win more trophys with forest never had much time for Giles they should have shown the best manager never to manage England respect tells me enough about them at leeds
Great manager but this was just a case of wrong time, wrong place. It happens sometimes.
There is a lot of hate towards that Leeds team of that era. Well I watched them and remember them as one of the great teams. Them and Liverpool were consistently the top 2 teams. Derby, Forest, Arsenal and Everton had their moments but not the consistency. Yes Leeds were hard but they had great players even on the subs bench. Whoever had an easy game against Leeds? I am a Newcastle fan and even at our best we were a class below Leeds. The surprise to me growing up in that era was that it all fell apart for Leeds unlike Liverpool who have always been near or at the top.
Are you serious. Liverpool haven't won the league in 30 years.
@@lisarubanowicz3401 OK now I am talking about the 60s and 70s. Get your fingers out and count back from 2020 to 1970. Yes that's 50 years. I am serious and you need to go back to maths class. LOL
Lots of second positions !
Johnny Giles...What a player.How much would he go for in todays market?
150 million easy
@@josephbutterfield2440 Pence.
Leeds United were actually regarded as a dirty team in the early 70s. And they inspired their fans. I remember in junior school games lessons. We would be having a game of football and anyone in a white shirt with a yellow trim would always go into tackles heavily. Always big rough lads with more aggression than skill. And this was 8, 9 and 10 year olds! The 70s eh?
Gelderd Aggro 😂😂
My dad was a Leeds fan. He encouraged that philosophy of which you speak. My first proper game 9 years old 1976 , sent off in the ninth minute . Never forgot the old boys attempt at consoling me.
" Don't worry Doug , that refs a proper soft arse. Bite your legs Hunter gets away with that every week."
L.O.L
Anyone else notice that they've spelled Joe Jordan's name wrong on the back of his tracksuit at 2.59?
There was a gag from another team. Why don't we put our name on our tracksuits boss? Don't need to son. We know each other.
Yep, seen that. They had "Jordon" ;0)
Anyone else notice 3:00 they spelled Joe Jordan's name wrong on his tracktop ? The good old days.
Maybe that is why he left for Man United; they promised to spell his name correctly!
Leeds of the 70s were a fantastic side.
Could pass the ball for fun.
Giles is right Clough was barking up the wrong tree.
Liverpool fan.
Matt Busby biggest mistake letting Giles go
I am 64 and Leeds were without doubt the dirtiest team ever to win the league and they barred their GK Sprake from the ground for blowing the whistle on Revie bribing other teams. That is the reason Revie left the England job under a cloud as the story was going to break. When i lived in Winchmore Hill an ex player at the time confirmed this to me in private.
My mate's sister's boyfriend's uncle had a pub in Leeds and a bloke came in and told him in confidence that his brother-in-law had it on good authority that the ex-player was less than reliable.
Top satire. Well done.
I know the player !
dave wilkinson
correct sir
Phil Atkinson
Funny as fuck Phil ...lol
One of the greatest managers of all time but maybe this was wrong time, wrong place. That happens sometimes.
It would be like Arsene Wenger getting the UTD job when Fergie retired.
A key player in the classic Leeds squad , world class, today he would
be a millionare.
Brian Clough should have been England manager , certainly not Leeds Utd
top man top player mot 💛💙💛💙🇬🇧
Doubtin Thomas
Johnny Giles Irish legend
Legend is one word. I have another word. Arrogant.
YES, this was Cloughie without his vital counterpart Peter Taylor.
THE Leeds directors gave Johnny Giles a HUGE slap in the face.
Brilliant
How strange ???
When Giles is stood in the dressing room, notice how the 1st three tracksuit tops that are hanging up together, all belong to the 3 players that have sadly passed away.
It's 4 now that we lost Peter Lorimer which was right beside the other 3, it's almost eerie.
And (Joe) 'Jordon' on his tracksuit top 🙄
Clough was right
It was a clash of personalities and it happens in high level sports.
And Giles and the rest did so well.
True Leeds Legend! Love Johnny Giles MOT
Clough with no Taylor, the answer is there.
He wouldn't have been successful even with Taylor. That stint was damned from the beginning.
Well he was a strange man, to take the Leeds job and then how did he expect that highly experienced team of battle hardened players to react ....honestly, the Leeds chairman was daft to offer it to him.. but he had a lovely wife and he was apparently a very generous man. His time at Derby Nottingham was just amazing was it a double act?
Johnny Giles 'The man the players read' 🤭. His words not mine.
Brian Clough the man the players and fans respect....Not to mention a legend of the game.
You work it out.
Giles a as a player won far more than Clough as a manager.
Can someone tell me how I see the whole interview? ☺️
To be honest, the title win of 1973-74 and the European Cup Final of 1975 would be Leeds last great harrah. Their league positions in the following years would support this analysis... 9th, 5th, 10th, 9th, 5th, 11th, 9th, 20th (R), -, they would then disappear into the bowels of the second tier for 9 years.
In the FA Cup since losing to Sunderland in 1973, Leeds best achievement was reaching a semi-final against Coventry City in 1987...
Your comment is spot on.The ironic thing about the post 75 decline was the fact the REALLY GREAT players were on the whole replaced by more than half decent players, Currie, Hankin, Mckenzie, Flynn, Hankin. Mcqueen and Jordan were already there so the club should have done better from75 onwards
League Cup semi final in both 78,79 and FA Cup semi final in 77, Champions of England in 92 incase you forgot about that and a league cup final in 96 plus A UEFA cup semi final and champions league semi final
@John Saunders Leeds United Number 1 on and off the pitch when it mattered!
@@mick6370 you dont get nothing for reaching a semi final , leeds went from 74 - 92 without winning a major trophy . since 92 leeds aint won a carrot .
@@chrisbaldwin3609 So what its about supporting your team you fell in love with as kid Allan Clarke and that white kit did it for me .
Nice to see the flip side
Lovin those purple tracksuits
Clough remembered a lot more than Revie
You must be joking!!
Deluded!
Good old big 'ead, he's so right about Leeds. He wouldn't have done any "better" at ENG and we'd've missed the glory of Notts packin in Malmoe; and besides, for the mamers in Leeds á la Yorath et al I've also got me own opinion.
It would have been a lot better for Leeds United in the long term if they appointed a joint management team of Billy Bremner and Johnny Giles when Don Revie left Leeds to become England Manager in 1974 Leeds would have achieved a lot more
If Johnny Giles had become Leeds manager like the DON wanted we would of been successful again what might of been Johnny Giles world 🌎 class player legendary player the biggest mistake Matt Busby said he made in his life letting Johnny Giles go it was our Gain the rest is History Billy BREMNER and JOHN GILES two of the best midfielders in the world who understood each other telepathic the best Marching on together we all love Leeds 🦚🇮🇨🤍💛💙🙏🤝
Giles was a great player...world class
Young language makes you look worse than what you incontinently condemn.
gary morgan . Who you then my teacher. or just troll of the week with your fancy words.
On word actually. Crikey any more and I think a nervous collapse might've followed.
"One" (there, told you I make mistakes).
Wouldn't play for his club manager though ... not a team player. Fuck them all.
Cloughy is legend
great days of footie
In an alternate reality don revie stays at Leeds United and they continue to dominate English football in the 70’s, Clough becomes England manager and they win the 1974 and 1978 World Cup
They never dominated football when revie was there, why would they have carried on
ffs you leeds fans are the most deluded lot in the country you really are
one city club should have done much better and you know it
"we dominated" the facts mean you are telling porkie pies or dremt it
The side needed rebuilding when Revie left for England and one wonders whether he would have had the heart to break up the side many of whom had played for him for 10 years or more
@@millwallholdings Leeds won more trophies in the 10 seasons Revie managed them in the first division than any other club in England at that time and ok domination may be a slightly too strong a word, they were certainly the most successful
That is a bit disrespectful to the Germans and Argentinians.
2:45
Ah, now I get it why they were called "Dirty Leeds".
Perfect.
hahahahaha good one !!!!
Wish we had "a" Giles now.
L G I
It will never happen again. English and British football as a whole is not focused on young players and it is not focused on skill.
We have a kalvin Phillips
@@OG-97 Kalvin is not even close to Johnny Giles or Billy Bremner....Leeds were playing in the European Cup, Cup Winners cup and Fairs Cup year after year mixing with the best players in Europe as well as England. Kalvin will do well to get near that.
@@LG-kl3co don't understand how you oldies don't see how much better players are technically and physically. Footballers these days shit over footballers from the past. Please don't let nostalgia get in the way. Sure they were good and brilliant at some parts. But football has evolved and players are naturally better than players were decades ago
⚽️💙💛Super Leeds United💛💙⚽️
Hated everywhere outside West Yorkshire for that 10 year period, roughly 1965 - 1975., It can't be denied regardless of their sometime approach to the game that they were formidable opposition. They played their part in ensuring the English first division was without question the best league in world football.
They won a bit - and it was 'a bit'. I did a quick research a few years ago and couldn't believe how many times they finished 'runner up' in competition. Factor in also beaten semi finalists.
Credit where it's due - If they had won just 50% where they came 'second' they would be lauded in the same style as Liverpool of the 1970's/80's and Man U of 1990's/2000's.
7 weeks wasn't enough and isn't enough in any job. What Clough did and how he did it was besides the point. The point is had he been given long enough Clough would have made leeds in his own image not Revie's Ex and they would have been European champions. They needed to be told to raise their game, that they weren't good enough a year later. Harsh but true. He also wanted a few of them gone so he could replace them. Leeds' loss Forest's gain.
Creating a huge rift with the players immediately can hardly be described as great management. He wasn’t forced to make a mess of the situation, and given they had just won the league, they were hardly a washed up team.
Wonderful player and wonderful man❤️
Did anyone else feel really let down when johnny cursed? Noooooooo!!!!
Not a Leeds fan, but it would have been interesting to see if Clough had stayed, or if Johnny Giles had took over on Don Revie's recommendation.
I say this, although I am not a leeds or notts forest fan ... the players got rid of clough by not playing for him. Leeds reached the 1975 European Cup Final and lost then got relageted in the early 1980s
So what happened to Brian Clough ... he took over a lowley east midlands second division club, won the second division. In the first year in the first division, they The League Championship! In 1978 they knocked out Liverpool (The twice consecutive European Champions) and went on to win The European Cupin79-80 one after the other just like Liverpool ... Oh and the won numerouse League Cup wins as well ...
Leeds United "Oh You Stupid FOOLS" it could have been YOU!.
They would have had to humble themselves wouldn't they .. It wasn't going to work I remember it all it was bizzare. But he liked his players to be humble and that N Forest team were ...
100% agree
I like Johnny and I like Cloughie.
From what i read about clough, he was a manager who rather build up a team than take up a ready team. I believe jurgen klopp represents his style today.
Big difference between taking over for Don Revie compared to Brendan Rodgers. Clough was destined to fail at Leeds albeit the players were to blame to a great degree.
Shows that all of us have successes and failures in life. Clough got it wrong at Leeds. It was also the wrong decision to take the job in the first place! A great manager.. but a mortal man!
Leeds & Irish footballing legend.....What a player!
yepppp
ppl keep forgeting its not lufc. its weeds
or dirty leeds
lets be honest
leeds is just a boil on the backside
Eoin Kiely
All day long
Philip Perry jealous little bell-end, i bet it really gets to you princess that Leeds are still as popular as ever.
proper player
No he's got a point, as have you: great player but too prone to going over the ball; nasty.
He was a small & hugely skillful player at a time in English Football where guys like that were mercilessly preyed upon week in, week out & offered little or no protection by match officials. One bad tackle & your career could be finished. He and others like him quickly came to the realisation that being perceived as a guy who'd take no nonsense from the likes of Chopper Harris, Peter Osgood or Peter Storey was the only way to preserve your physical and mental integrity. As Giles has always professed, great players have the moral courage to never hide from the ball - get on it, impose your game, don't be cowed or intimidated & have confidence in your skills to deliver for the team.
He was no angel, but boy could that guy play. Just felt the discussion needed a bit of context by the way.
Well yes, I agree he was a superb player but he had a nasty streak that you chose to leave out. I was spoilt though, having supported West Ham where Brooking for some reason never 'left the foot in' or used his studs. There was something nastier than you are prepared to grant and yours is special pleading really i.e. you'd not be judging him thus if he were not a Leeds player I think. But his passing was as good as Hoddle's - he governed the midfield better though, a general - and he was part of an unlikeable but very impressive Leeds side. I still recall that 1971 Cup final replay with Chelsea. Blimey! Best wishes Gary P.S. Nice to recall Chopper features in Monty Python's version of 'The Importance of Being Ernest' where he "brings down Lady Bracknell with a series of short jabbing punches to the neck" or some such. Top stuff. Their Madeley "goal" was good, merely describing a cross and a header, with another, Cooper possibly said "Great goal Paul." Still makes me laugh. Best wishes. Gary
short arse fucking thug....with taggles in his socks...proper gay scout boys
Blimey, you're childish. Why broadcast it to the world though?
Wish I had that Leeds team on pes
And Norman said "I couldn't give a fuck". That completely sums up the mentality of Leeds United football club and everybody they represent, including fans. We don't care in the slightest what anybody thinks of us, completely 100% stubborn and arrogant. A big reason why so many people hate us, and I fucking love it.