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Dr Elizabeth Celi talks about men's health, domestic abuse and social bias against men
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- Dr Elizabeth Celi, author of Regular Joe Vs Mr Invincible appears on the Ten Network's 9am With David & Kim program (Australia), talking about men's health, domestic abuse and social bias against men
There was a male teacher at back when I was in high school who in a domestic violence lesson (they often had awareness meetings at my school), he said “domestic violence victims can be male or female, violence is wrong no matter who is the victim”. Our teacher for that class was changed and he was suspended from the school the next week. Apparently a few teachers complained about him “promoting mysogony” to students. Turns out he was just worried about us guys because his best friend was pushed through a window and stabbed by his girlfriend. He nearly died of blood loss. The lady was never charged, and there was no investigation. That’s not domestic violence - that’s ATTEMPTED MURDER, and the cops did NOTHING. And when my teacher tried to speak up he got suspended from work!!!
Omg! As a female this is annoying the crap out of me! The feminazisies again always tilt the balance on every issue so it itself becomes biased towards men. It's not helping anyone in the real world.
That's is truly disgusting! It's shocking how much things have deteriorated.
She is a breath of fresh air. THANK YOU!
If Dr Elizabeth Celi was a male, there wouldn't have even been an interview.
And if this was about male violence you wouldn't have watched :)
He would've watched a thousand similar ones, tho, because they're everywhere.
...wut?
Kiara Jones did you watch this?.
I had a friend that was hauled off to jail after his wife beat the piss out of him, he was cut and bleeding from his head, she had a scratch on her arm from him blocking the blows so he was arrested, doesn't seem right
I spent three years in the army avoiding the draft ( I just missed Vietnam, and thought I would do my time under Carter). I was part of the intelligence community. Everyone that I worked with would have had an IQ in the top ten percent. I had a friend/colleague who was an E5 and on a career path. One day our platoon sergeant called him to his office to take a phone call. He came back to our work area white as snow. His sister-in-law had blown his brother's head off with a shotgun. I know that siblings can be quite different, but I also was very much aware that my friend was raised to be a gentleman, and to treat women with respect. It is difficult for me to imagine that my friend's brother deserved to have his head shot off. But we all knew that the police wouldn't even bother to investigate. His brother was, at the least, guilty of being male.
She looks like a mature women that doesn't need to destroy men to feel like a strong woman. Godbless her work and her good example for other women to emulate!
It is high time for true equal rights for BOTH Men and Women
Equality - but only when it benefits women!
@@jonahtwhale1779 "All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others."(George Orwell, Animal Farm).
I agree, Syed.
She should do a TED talk, she's pretty easy to listen to. ^_^
Woman who abuses their partner need anger management? No they need to be treated just like a man would be… Even in the discussion the double standard is prevalent.
+darkblood626 no surprise really, is it
It's amazing that this was shown on aussie daytime television. Fantastic.
It takes a women to speak for men so it's actually taken seriously. Gotta love 3rd wave feminism.
Violent and abusive behavior can be a trait of everybody in the world regardless of sex.
These days it's not OK to abuse women, gays or trans people but it's encouraged to mock and abuse men. It makes me really angry.
Thanks for putting this out there. It's very important.
Great stuff.
She's right when she says that the stuff that's offensive to men would not even make it onto the drawing board if it was against women, yet it gets to the stage of airing on TV when it's men.
This woman is amazing and I wish more women were like her and realized these issues.
This woman is amazing!
I'm glad that there's a video like this that there are women that realized that men are being treated poorly just as much as the other way around. I do believe that a woman shouldn't be hit. Neither does men. Many women use the advanatage that they are victims and it makes innocent men get blame. I don't want any gender to be treated poorly.
Thank you for having this conversation on TV. High Time.
Excellent interview all round, but the money quote starts at 7:35 - mental, emotional and psychological forms of abuse are at least as (if not more) destructive as physical forms, but they leave no visible scars. And that's how many people - female and male - get away with it.
Don't let them.
The statistics are bullshit and I think it is amazing that men will go to no end to turn themselves out as victims it is astonishing. They are now finally realising that masculinity does no one any favours, but now that they know it can be seen as something that can really 'harm' and 'damage' them, they get to yell WHAT ABOUT MEN all they fucking want it's amazing...
Women and children are overwhelmingly killed by men and I can't stand this shit.
You got to remember also when women kill men they most often use other men to do it for them
Women like this are the only reason i'm NOT a misogynist. Good to know women can fight for men straight up, without also feeling obligated to placate women by saying everything is 50/50 and that we share the same problems equally...
what ever happened to equal force self defence ?
She ran more than 12 hours away with my children, sold my belongings to pawshop, And so much more! I WAS ALSO, AM ALSO... A REGISTERED FOSTER PARENT of Quebec! We adopted 1boy under tutorship. And we have 3 biological children.
How are you, these days, Daganerabus? I hope you're managing OK despite having such awful treatment.
very good... if there was one thing i'de love feminist to understand is that to be respected you have to respect. I myself don't respect the equality movement because i simply don't see respectful actions being done towards men and towards women from women involve in it. Ofc this is not the case for all women.
Not all feminists support the ideology of 'power to women only'.
then they should be equalitarians.. not feminists...
Pedro Nunes
That's *egalitarian, not trying to be rude.
***** Seeing as how no feminists have helped with men's issues EVER I would say they are.
@@jayobryan4516 Actually, there are Feminists interested in Men's issues, though they likely don't qualify as the same sort of Feminists most people think of.
Lara Stemple did work on Male Sexual Assault...when men are sexually assaulted and raped, particularly by women, and in fact worked to try and change the law to include men as potential victims of rape in the legal sense.
Look up her research on the matter.
9:10 But feminists would rather we didn't know that!
I am glad that more and more women are starting to speak out, and stand up for Men. especially when it's Politically Incorrect for Men to do it themselves(though, don't let that deter us)
What and amazing woman, the sad truth is if the interview was done to a man, it would fall under the ridicule they talk about.
This is the type of woman I salute to, they want real equality and rip the covers off misandry.
What sad though is that whenever the topic is talked about, there is always someone stunned because they never heard of such a thing.
Does anyone have a link to the Canadian studies that Elizabeth refers to?
I'd like to know who thumbed this video down
@Hl A as a female I despise feminazisies.
my ex wife because i sent her the link
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I am going through this now... in one of the worst cases ever. I been ordered out of PROVINCE of Quebec! lost my Job, my home, every earthly possession, and Unable to obtain the continued health care i was undergoing. Which now has compromised my health, my Life. My Children remain in danger. Post-partum mother who had thoughts of Harming Killing our children. (Documented) She had an episode.. dangerous one.. I had to call the police. I was arrested. .
I wrote and directed a full-length drama (“Tulips” ruclips.net/video/doGdyYEBhiQ/видео.html) exploring why there’s so little support for male DV victims & the way they often get stonewalled. We got a sh*tload of resistance & I found out later that the last attempt at this (“Men Don’t Tell” in 1993) was pulled from the main airwaves for similar reasons. 28 years later it’s still too taboo for some people.
@ManSpeakOut I was thinking the same thing. It's so nice to know that beyond the hoardes of misandric, double standard having, chivalry expecting yet independant women that there are women who see through this facade of equality. The mistreatment of men is not okay and it's not going to be tolerated anymore.
I have been saying how bad pink was for years starting with the there you go video, but during her concert she takes a male dancer and hits him rich flair style in the balls. Look at Thor dark world... Jane foster slaps Thor for not coming back and his excuse was that he was saving the nine realms. Moonstruck with cher the famous, snap out of it.
I was disgusted and shocked at Pinks videos. No excuse and I never held up any pop stars as role models for my girls thankfully because they are all shocking role models for females full stop.
The fact that we always have to say that it doesn't take away from women's issues in itself is problematic... Helping men is not taking anything away from women... On the contrary, it might help women out with some of the issues that they have a hard time with!
Totally agree.
I was an only child (male). My mom abused me for years. Two physical altercations and hundreds of nights of verbal abuse. If you think verbal abuse is nothing, try listening to someone complain and blame you and your father for hours on end (4+). I wish I was making this up...
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I agree!
She kinda reminds me of actress Rachel Griffiths who plays Brenda on Six Feet Under. I agree with everything she said we need more people like her in the world. Although women have it worse off worldwide I don't believe that's the case in modern countries. In some fields women have it worse, in others it's men who have it worse. We should talk about both of these equally rather than just womens rights.
Indeed. We all knew this was true all along, but we live in a bubble. No, normalized misandry doesn't exist. Not at all. This is why feminism will die; it's time is over. It's time for a men's rights movement.
Well, certain elements in already existing MRA's are failing in the same way modern feminism is and together these 2 do become an us vs them battle of the sexes, who's
more victimized, less 'privileged' etc etc.
I do think it's needed for sure, not just because of the lack of attention to men's/boy's issues but even a callous dismissal and trivializing and even hostile position from feminists, society, politicians and the media.
The problem though is that I've seen plenty of examples of outright racist, homophobic and indeed misogynist views and comments from MRA's, doing men's rights issues only
more harm as society now even believes the self-righteous, callous feminists over anything that comes from somebody identifying as MRA (or even assumes one is an MRA if you bring up
men's/boy's issues to contrast the false and over-simplistic image feminists propagandize constantly).
Robert LC - Digital Artist
I've been observing the MRA phenom you're talking about. There appear to me to be two primary (larger) groups within the MRA bunch and they are divided along some pretty basic differences in personality. One group wants it to return to the past (the one's you reference in the negative) and another that wants it to be egalitarian (wants it to change); and who do *not* believe that feminism stands for egalitarianism.
Sigrun Van Houten
Although I have by no means in-depth knowledge on the MRA's, from what I've seen I think you're right but the problem is that both the general public and feminists
either genuinely only see the 1 group of chauvinists, sometimes even racist and misogynists or simply choose to do the very thing we're not supposed to do with feminists; stereotype and generalize a diverse group of people with different goals and beliefs.
It's also something more trivial sounding and that's simply the name...'men's rights'....
Rights movements have always been about systematically disadvantaged and oppressed demographics (blacks, gays, women) and men's rights therefore sounds silly, though
the facts are there; in specific areas men/boys are disadvantaged, often directly by the hands of feminists and sheepish media, society and politically correct politicians and increasingly
courts and large businesses as well.
The idea is, and often literally argued by feminists/social justice crowd, that your issues don't count as long as they're happening to a demographic that's, on average, more privileged.
This is a cold, callous and irrational way of looking at very serious problems and people's experiences but it's the current climate and dare to speak out, even as a woman, and you are told to 'check your privilege' or accused of 'being afraid to lose your power/privilege'.
Robert LC - Digital Artist
"The idea is, and often literally argued by feminists/social justice crowd, that your issues don't count as long as they're happening to a demographic that's, on average, more privileged."
And this is the problem. It's called normalized misandry. When something is normalized people don't see it. It is accepted as "normal" because that's "just the way it is". It is never even placed in the context of "rights" or "equality"; it is artificially divorced from it and considered an inevitable burden men must carry. Even MRAs argue that it's "genetic" or "innate". So, I do not agree that men are, "on average, more privileged". There are innumerable objective social measures to demonstrate that in western society this is nonsense. This is why feminists are not a positive force for change.
Seriously you guys, find me a traditionalist MRA. I've been an MRA for the past 2-3 years and I have not found a single MRA that advocated going back to traditional gender roles.
Sources?
Oh he was? Thankfully, you, his lawyer are here to say it for him. Thank you!
Made a lot of sense to me. Violence is violence, not about gender.
Here in the states no one is open to talking about this
excellent video. I hate to say it but im glad that they had a woman on. Male mens rights campaigners are never taken seriously
So, did the mandatory review of legislation come to pass? Or was the recommendation just shelved? Any info on this greatly appreciated.
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So true
I like that USA talks so much about this! Here in Brazil this theme is so discriminated and subestimated. Talk about men's rights and violence against men is a joke here in Brazil, even with the high rate of male victims of homicide in our country (something about 46.000 per year)
We need to stop all these madness Immediately..
Justice is for everyone... Not justice for women!!
Towards the end she highlights that women are stronger at the abuse which can't be reported. Using the kids is up there. The bloke has worked out that if he wants a place in the home he'd better not upset his wife, and that the smallest disagreement can send her nuclear.
Which women? Who do you know personally that faced these issues? Who are you trying to avenge by punishing the blameless?
We reached the level of equality 20 years ago and we are quickly starting to rock the other way.
None of the men alive today voted to keep women from voting, none tried to silence women or tried to oppress them, and many are still tied down to chivalry, unable to see their own position in society.
Stop punishing one group for another's crimes.
4 If it is indeed being not just trivialised but laughed at, I think the fact explained above that it's seen as unrealistic or expected also explains that laughter, because the unexpected happens to be fundamental to what makes things amusing. A scrawny guy overpowering a man he looks like he shouldn't be able to, would potentially be amusing for the same reason. However I'm not sure it actually is being played for laughs except for the laughs at the "crazy stalker".
Fair play to our Australian cousins doing what the yanks and my own cousins don't have the balls or the honesty to do.
This is not a joke Thiago: Go to a Jiu-jitsu or Luta Livre school and ask to learn the "lion killer" choke (Mata Leao). I have twice used this to put a violent woman to sleep. It solves your self defense problem and doesn't leave any marks.
Why did Network 10 get rid of this show? Dumb move.
Can't have common sense of reality on tv. Only the agendas being pushed.
Club 1 Fan why doesn't channel ten have a tv show that always talk about t.v ads?.
2 Instead, the main reason for the reaction to that video IMO is that a man doing that to a woman is seen as something that does happen often and could easily be encouraged to happen more by such imagery, whereas such over-the-top (cartoonish) violence when female-to-male is seen as too unrealistic to be representing actual female-to-male abuse,because of people's false belief that even violent females never treat men quite like that, because of people's false belief that even violent (contd)
But if the imagery was replaced with a man beating and abusing his girlfriend, with bruises all over her face, being pushed off a stage, strapped to a wheelchair, that musical artist would have to fear for their career at best, and their life at worst. The fact that people tolerate that imagery, in context or not, and laugh at it, proves that people now have the capacity to laugh at a man being abused. The context is not the issue, I think. It's the imagery and our ability to laugh at it.
I was horrified by the Pink clip at first, but having watched the video (Please Don't Leave Me) from the beginning and hearing to the lyrics, it's not as bad in full context. I still think it unwise/risky because a lot of people aren't going to get the allusion to the film Misery, the self-deprecating "I'm a psycho bitch in relationships and I feel bad about it" message, or that the violence is probably just an absurdist representation of how "psycho" she or the song's protagonist feels she is.
But - a non violent attack on sexuality in which the man is not presumed to be the stronger sex and the attack by a woman on a man is not considered unusual still gets the same reaction (laughter). Connect the dots; aggression by women against men (of all sorts) is (has been made) socially acceptable.
i'm a victim of this, i nearly got charged for assault when i was the one being verbally, emotionally, and even physically abused on a daily basis, all she had to do was go to the police first. HUGE problem in our society, i'm canadian, many of us are victims, the police don't believe us, lost friends who haven't experienced such a thing, and are brainwashed as FUCK. i may be overly embittered, but i hope infrastructure crumbles, and women lose their rights, i don't think they should have them
@sp00nytube You should check out the manwomanmyth channel. Also the websites angryharry. com and avoiceformen. com. They'll help you see behind the lies that are used to control people! Avoiceformen has an internet radio program that can be listened to by clicking on the grey arrow tab at the left of the screen on that website, and clicking the play icon. The current episode is particularly good!
3 kidnapping and tying them up etc. It's the too-small perception of the extent of the violence women sometimes commit that's primarily why this imagery persists, IMO. Education about crime statistics, as Dr Celi starts to do here (I agree with her overall) would one of the best solutions if I'm right about that. Whereas if we go around accusing people of not caring about male abuse because they don't care about men, and that's not the case, you'll only offend and make them stop listening.
They use weapons *its dangerous and crucial*
@christianj162000 I live in the U.S. and theres an act that gives women money if the've been demostic violence,but doesn't give men who are abuse victimes anything.
Who disliked this?
LOL 11 years ago!
5 If Dr Celi hadn't put the idea in viewers' heads while showing the clip, I'm not sure it would ever have occurred to me that the victimisation itself was intended to be funny, but I might be wrong.
And when EVER were women the public object of scorn, abuse, mockery and used as cannon fodder in wars? NEVER!! They have always been the protected sex!
Which is exactly the problem.
Yeah, no kidding. It's the same with GirlWritesWhat.
But hey, we don't have a problem with women at all. Having women interested in the discourse is encouraging, because most of the understand that helping men out doesn't devalue women's rights. Talks like this encourage us to look at gender issues together, and so men become more interested in women's rights when women also show interest in men's.
2009 and only 1 555 views. i laugh at my fate.
No more excuses.
Has anything actually come from this review?
yes it has, 10 years after the interview we now have a government department for women rights along with a minister for women in Australia, with a budget of 100 million
this department spends 2 million dollars of that money to find out why 6 men kill themselves every day in this country over 40 per week
MGTOW is the only way to save our AUS men
1 While I myself wouldn't broadcast this imagery anymore than if the genders were reversed, I think there are more complex reasons for most people's different reaction than the fact that it's a man being abused per se, otherwise defenseless men being abused by much stronger men wouldn't be taken seriously either, but it's taken seriously as thuggery just as (presumed) defenseless women being abused by much stronger men is taken seriously; it's just FEMALE-on-male abuse that's not. ged IMO.
In Australian TV advertisements the man is generally portrayed as a moron and if you are intelligent you are a figure of ridicule, how is that ever going to work?
So glad these two are no longer on air
Why would you say that Melissa?
What's the fastest way to a man's heart?
Through his chest with a sharp knife.
and not every woman is innocent simply because some woman are being done wrong...
SHE STATED, YOU are the MAN! No one will believe you, they will always believe a woman first. Then she stated, i will never see my children again, and that they will call a new man daddy. And everything she said she could do, have done. Has been done. Been over 2months, Because of this Order outof province, I been denied all LEGAL RIGHTS, COUNSEL, legal Aid, From both provinces. I have been made a non-resident. And since, have taken very ill. The story gets worse.
I would love to know where to find these "statistics" they are talking about. Although both husbands and wives might be said to be 'aggressive', many more husbands than wives are 'violent'. Oh, and by the way, intimate partner violence against men is overwhelmingly committed in same-sex relationships, rather than heterosexual relationships.
While I appreciate this info, can't anyone else seem the misandristic assumptions in having a woman bring this info on the air, rather than a man. In how the male co-host restricted himself to mostly questions without expressing any real opinion of his own while these women did so openly?
Since when is trying to impress women and attract a partner treating them like "hookers"?
Oh, that's right, I forgot. Male sexuality is "Oppressive and wrong", right?
No just a silent epidemic of us with battered souls and bodies. Did you ev er stop to think taz, that by defending the status quo, you are in fact enabling child abuse the moment it's a boy being abused by their mother.
Now maybe that wasn't your intent, but when you defend the stereotype of "all women are victims" that is exactly what you are doing. You might want to reflect on that.
"Oh, and by the way, intimate partner violence against men is overwhelmingly committed in same-sex relationships, rather than heterosexual relationships." can you show any kind of proof for this? there's peer reviewed studies that show that women are more likely to be violent in a partnership, the men deal more damage. But women are more often the instigators.
demeaning ads for women?
You mean the ones where women agree to take off their clothes to help sell a product, in exchange for money?
There are just as many demeaning ads for Men. considering Men are always portrayed as idiots in commercials and TV. and not all Men are Ryan Gosling look alike's.
"Not every man is innocent simply because some men are being done wrong"
and not ALL Men are guilty because there are SOME out there that are doing wrong.
spare us your bigotry
Lol, Brainwashing, even the guy on the show is extremely uncomfortable talking about this. He feels that there's no way this could be true. It's like "you're saying we as men are weak, we are strong". Protecting his own ego even when confronted by reality.
Oh man this is awful... I don't agree with violence in any type! Nor with men nor women, is sad to heard what you saying
Is she trying to cash in on a niche market?