Sorry for the 15 second self promo, but here's the link in case you want to support www.patreon.com/cons_oa Please don't feel compelled - just watching and liking or commenting is already more support than I have any right to ask for Speaking of patreon, thanks to my wonderful patrons. You guys are way too good to me. Hope you enjoyed the 3 whole hours of early access to this x_x (listen i forgot to post it when I uploaded because i was 3am for me lmaooo, sorry about that). Anyway ill add any further tips I find or you guys post, to this comment: You can flash him multiple times per quest if you wait some time between them. Thanks trey, i forgot about the flash decay Not part of the video but people were asking, so I wanna clarify im 99% sure part damage during fire/ice mode doesn't make the horn easier to break in dragon Also most (all) monsters drop shinies when flinched, my bad haha but still keep an eye out for them. Sidenote, geology doesnt double these :( serenity pointed out that you can grab the crystal bursts in area 1 to flinch ala out of annoying moves
another useful tip is flinch shoting Alatreon at the very start of the event quest mission. As soon as you land in the arena he will roar, you can i-frame it (use evasion mantle for the boost if you want but not necessary) or just use rocksteady mantle to ignore it. Clutch claw to the right side of Alatreon's face (your left side) and hit twice then flinch shot. Theres a rock wall right behind he can hit but bear in mind that sometimes his initial attack after the roar might move him a bit off the right position but I always use this strat at the beginning to do good damage to the horns with the wall bang and gives you a good chance to charge your phials (I main CB). Hope this helps someone
Nice tip, but thr horns take no damage in fire or ice mode, they only have hp on dragon mode. So focusing the head when it is on fire or ice is useless unless you are trying to stun
Note that if alatreon tries to do the lightning strike attack while you're hanging on his head, he might veer off slightly to the left and miss the wall entirely when you launch him. You need to slightly delay the 2nd turn to prevent this.
When Alatreon is thundering all around a thunder never strikes two times in the same spot. So if you want to be safe with ranged weapons you should place yourself in a spot already been hit.
The Crystal bursts are also Very useful to stall alatreon while he is flying giving a teammate time to flinch shot him out of the sky in multiplayer you can also use the counter clutch claw from lance and then change stances while grappled
This is a guide we all surely need! Rly love the sprradsheet, very informative for us to find the best weapon-element maximum output combo for the fight
thanks! these sheets were produced by dataminers though, im just sharing the info. I was gonna make my own sheet with all the info summarised, but I'd rather keep it to theirs
Quick caveat about the ineffective nature of Dragon Damage: For Hunting Horn users, bringing even the rarity 11 Alatreon HH (due to the song list) can provide both enough dragon damage and team-wide elemental boosts to merit ignoring the "ooOOoooo but it's not OpITimAL" issue. However, you still could bring along a Safi elemental horn with the same song list if you're really struggling but the numbers Alatreon Revival can hit are practically unmatched.
Hey, man. I just wanted to tell you that I really appreciate your content. You share quality information and have a great understanding of the player perspective. Super cool. Good stuff.
Great video. I really appreciate the tip about the direction of the lightning bolts. I couldn't figure out what the tell for it was. Thank you for the tips!
That CB savage axe tip is nice I've mostly just been spamming saed's I only ever really used savage axe when we failed to break the horn and switched over.
I have noticed that Alatreon consistently uses his nova roughly every 6 to 8 minutes. If you cart before he uses his nova, he will wait until you are back in the arena to nuke.
Today i've made it today solo and i would recommend to get enough alatreon parts to already be able to create at least 3 sets of alatreon armor + alatreon bow, that should be pretty easy with partbreaker 3 skill. With 2 Sets of Alatreon armor you can already get higher elemental damage but with 3 parts you can easy get an elemental resistance from 20+ for all elements. Without element ammo, you won't be able to survive the nova, so for solo i guess a bow with at least fire and ice ammo is really needed, so Soulfire Rasp Blaze or even Xeno Neqiina + should be a good alternative. With my set i've also used 2 parts of namielle y armor for namielle divinity for even more elemental damage. Razorsharp charm is a must have for more ammo, i've also had attack boost 3, health boost 3, fire, water, ice, thunder and dragon res lv3, fire and ice attack lv3, recovery up lv2, fortify, minds eye and free meal 1. For solo free meal is also a must have as you have a chance to have more health options to survive alatreon's nova more often. (in my previous tries i was always out of health options, so i just traded a decoration for elemental attack with a free meal decoration. So i believe tigrex/bruterex and even MR Kulve Armor would be good choices to defeat Alatreon because of the free meal secret, i haven't tried Nargacuga Armor parts as it doesn't have much decoration slots, so i would not recommend that set. I've tried a flash pod while alatreon is in the air, works just fine one time to bring him down, the second time nothing happens. So from my point of view, this fight could be faster with critical boost lv3 and critical element skill but to be honest, i haven't found any kjarr lbg with rapid fire ice and fire element and all the kjarr lbg only comes with fire or ice element, so with two players it would be an option but not for solo, so another option for true critical element would be 4 parts of silver rathalos armor but haven't tried it yet. Another little help would be a palico with a poison weapon, the chance is small that alatreon get's poisoned as it will take some time but that's always some extra damage for free. So it seems that there is some kind of elemental damage check you have to make until you will be able to survive it's nova but that's much better than a monster leaving the quest, so all i have to say, Alatreon is a bit challenging but it's a fun fight, i've enjoyed it a lot but i will try some things to get my armor a bit better to do much more damage. I didn't make any horn breaks but it wasn't really needed, i've made enough elemental damage even if it was in dragon mode, so you don't have to worry to brake the horns to finish him. For those elecric bolt attacks (also as the fire attacks) sometimes Alatreon makes a few in a row, i would recommend to run towards him while he is doing that or do a roll towards him, that's the best chance to get not hit by that attacks. All the spot bolt attacks, mostly under him is a save spot but if not, timing is the key to get not hit.
So I recommend building the Alatreon LBG and upgrading it to it's final version ASAP, I did this before I even defeated him by using a Sticky HBG with partbreaker 3 and Palico plunderblade only focus on the wings until he changes elements the focus the horns only rinse and repeat fortitude helps cause you will be carting by breaking the horns you will have a chance of getting the super rare dragonsphire as a reward after you fail the quest. Your best armor to use is either 5pcs Safi or 3 pcs Safi, 2 pcs Alatreon I go with the Alatreon head and waist beta versions and the rest Safi beta as well, but you seam to want a more defensive build so swap the head with Safi and the legs with Alatreon alpha's. You really don't need all that elemental resistances just get blight 3 , if you can't reach blight 3 go with dragon res 3 and thunder res 3 those are the worst blights to have cause dragon nulifies all you elemental dmg and thunder will stun you if you get knocked over while your blighted with it. I also don't recommend free meal unless your running a widerange build to help your team you just need to optimize you item bag better. I will give you some helpful tips on what you should have on you for healing; 10 mega potions 10 potions 10 honey This will let you craft another 10 so you will have 20 mega potions total. I recommend only making another 5 mega potions then saving the rest of you honey for mega nutrients to make max potions. 2 max potions 5 mega nutrients 5 nutrients 10 mandragora mushrooms This will let you craft 5 more max potions then 5 more mega nutrients (mega nutrients do require honey so don't use it all up making mega potions) then another 5 more max potions so you will have a total of 12 max potions 2 dust's of life 4 gloamgrass buds 3 lifepowders 10 godbugs 6 bitterbugs This will let you make another 4 dust's of life's so you will have 6 total. You can make another 6 lifepowdes so you will have 9 total 1 ancient potion For when you cart before you can eat again 5 astera jerky 5 great sushifish's if you have any not really needed TBH Only use when he is doing his nova use it as soon as your health reaches half you should only need to take one per nova plus a mega potion, lifepowder, or dust's of life So in summery you will have; 15-20 mega potions 7-12 max potions 6 dust's of life 9 lifepowders 1 ancient potion That's a lot of healing I have never used all of it in one fight. Good luck hope this helps.
another tip crystal bursts can flinch him they are found at the camp, useful to stop him from doing moves you don't like, I use it when it's about to wombo combo someone or when its doing thunder :3
One other tip that I see many people not doing: Get those crystal bursts before dropping into the fight. You can shot them at him if he acting too wild and that will pause some of his attacks. Very good if your stuck on the ground and he ready to shot an attack at you. Great video btw. Keep em coming.
Great video cons! So, since elemental damage modifiers occur for every weapon for reaching the elemental cap, would you say it's fine bringing whichever weapon you are most comfortable with in party? My teammates only use a couple weapons like lance and hammer and i was worried we wouldn't reach the elemental cap unless they switched to a more elemental weapon type and learned it
Lance is a pretty good elemental weapon GL not so much. Also Hammers do fairly well you just have to learn the moves that deal the most elemental dmg in Motion values such as the Spin win charge and the Charge 3 grapple attack
@@ConsOA yeah I call it the second dps check. Handler: " good job weakening alatreon! But don't get to happy, you now have to break the horn. Soooooo see you back at camp😅."
2:40 Even easyer, you can just stand on his Frontlegs, you never ever get hit by that attack on them. You may loose Headdamage, but the Frontlegs are bigger Ele Weakspots anyway. Also no Thunderbolt strikes twice on the same Place.
That's a LOT of excellent tips, many that I didn't know before. It seems the "dragon" damage one isn't common knowledge - I see a lot of random people, in multiplayer, bringing dragon damage weapons. And we fail to make the DPS check a LOT when there's multiple of them in group. This makes a lot more sense to me now.....
Thanks for these tips! I tried a bunch of times with pogs, and finally killed him with a healer lbg build using his own weapon XD. You can still dish out some decent damage while buffing and keeping your team alive, as long as the other three are competent. I find that the time you give your team to fight instead of heal more than makes up for whatever less dps you lose by going healer.
Does the flinch shot shiny drop only occur when you send alatreon running into something? Or just when you use flinch shot regardless of whether it moves?
2:00 is really helpful. It's easy to implement in your gameplay and gives you a pretty decent window to do damage. Wouldn't have thought of that myself and judging from my random lobbies that goes for a lot of people.
I want to come back and thank you your tips helped me out a ton I was using ice gsword and fatalis dragon gs and able to make all the weapons I was interested in making on both of my characters
Thanks for checking on the timer for nova, looks like testing didn't line up with my observation; good to know. I will wait and see what testing produces, but it really makes me wonder what dictates it. I'm also glad you worked out the dragon maths, average 0.4 modifier is much lower than 0.8 for the appropriate element, and even if you get pushed to the wrong element for the 3rd phase you still have the raw component to finish the hunt with. Even the off-element (water/thunder) averages to 0.6 which is better than dragon's 0.4. Dragon is worse even in the hunts where you cant break the horns at all; you maintain the consistent 0.4 versus swapping between beneficial (0.8) and detrimental (0.25) for an average of 0.5. the only instance that dragon is better is if you would have otherwise started with the detrimental elements but still managed to break horns. but at this point i feel like its going to be a rare group to pull off, unless you are all running dragon and focusing the head. I'm still a little fuzzy on shot hitzones pre and post tenderize, and how they apply the elemental damage, but that is something I just need to do some reading on. Looks like LBG really isn't the way to go on this hunt unless you want to simplify the hunt to "safety strafe and tape down the trigger". Time to dust off my LS, or actually take the time to learn CB. :D
no problem! its possible it IS on a timer, but is affected by things like rage mode and time spent in elementless mode or stuff like that, but basically i found it not consistent enough for me to try and rely on for safety. i didnt do a huge amount of testing on it tho so who knows and yeah agree with the analysis entirely. Another time it can help is when you're overshooting the ele topple in right phase but under in wrong phase, and not able to horn break. In that case, dropping to dragon might help you consistently topple instead of missing every other one good luck with the weapon choice! yeah im struggling with lbg tho the ala one seems decent so idk
@@ConsOA I was looking into more runs, and it very well may be a "lesser of two values" where it goes to 6m if you don't deal enough damage, or earlier if you break some sort of threshold. I was watching the P3 Hame and it gets pushed to dragon in about a minute, and its dead in 2. Might suggest a forced phase transition based on health. Rage mode is a big deal as well, too many variables without trying to isolate in testing.
I knew about the damage increase, but I prefer to not have him enraged when he enters Dragon Active so that I can still flinch shot him and then break his horns. Also, Lance having a 1 multiplier breaks my heart. Capcom hates elemental lance.
I mean its only 600 elemental damage, its very easy to hit that with a decent set. And if you want to invest nothing into element you can do that albeit its very hard to reach the threshold for most players.
yeah i know what you mean, it's definitely nice to have that flinch shot to do most of the horn damage if youre struggling to reach it yourself and i thought lance put out a decent rate of elemental damage? a modifier of 1 is way better than some of the other weapons (db's needed that nerf lmao) but yeah 1.1 would have been nice
@@ConsOA Lance elemental damage is... alright? It's definitely worse than GS in my runs. Lance has a 0.7 elemental multiplier on all attacks, which is just a shame.
As someone who has been bringing a Safi Dragon IG with an ice kinsect, this has taught me I’m 70% terrible. At least I’m downward thrusting its head. Good info!!
-Alot of his attacks can be evaded by just running/side stepping, not needing to dodge roll even when unsheathe. but this does NOT apply well with heavy weapons tho. -During his flying frost breath attack, you should clutch claw to him to avoid damage AND tenderize a part, howerever during fire breathes you will still get damaged. -It is safer to fight him close and on his sides, therefore use close range modifiers and ballistics jewel on bowgun/bow users. -Evade window is more helpful in the fight than running full def/resist builds. -Avoid using Rocksteady mantle, its more like a bait mantle. -Glider mantle slotted with 2x evade 4+ jewels is a better alternative. Hope this helps!
@@ConsOA His Transition Dragon Nova is a good punish move since the dmg time on the hit box is very short. The Hit box itself is small and sticks fairly close to the body.
Ty so much for these guides I finally managed to solo him after all this time because of your help and I’m beyond thankful over exaggerated i know but I’m to happy lol ty once again :))))
Dual Blade Arts: Instant Horn Clip Technique!!! Assassin mantle + smoke bomb, instant demon dance when hidden facing head only hitting the head. Solo only. Been using this all the time preiceborne. Btw ez sling shots are when it’s on the ground prepping for the frost vomit from the air, just clutch and fire. To avoid its spinning breath attack, just go str8 beneath it for clutch claw to it before it does it. Sometimes I don’t like to run to him so just catch a ride by timing a clutch when he speeds.
yes! i have a video going into those mechanics in way more detail btw, its called "alatreon mechanics explained" or something like that, have a look if you want more details
My question is how much damn damage does it take to hurt him elementally. I've knocked him a few times to where he was drooling but not enough for the Handler's prompt. Idk, I can break the horns but time thinking if u don't do enough damage before dragon phase u cant feet the flinch.
Personally on the big ice and fire AoE's I've been clutch clawing and getting a relatively safe head softening. Also on the lightning storm, the lightning doesn't typically hit the same place twice so pick a spot it just hit next to you and your good. On the elemental numbers I haven't had much issue just running Alatreons weapons, I've beat it with it's IG, LS, CB and Switchaxe, using Safi Head, Chest and Arms and Alatreon Waist and Legs, just keep it at it and pay attention, learn what you can and can't punish with your weapon and you'll be good. Health boost and Blight Resist are a must.
I've soloed him with his dragon weapons with little difficulty (in terms of hitting the ele check) outside of bad RNG with his moves. On the flip side, I've been in groups where 2 or more people were doing no damage during his shift because they were banking on breaking the horns. That paired with bad RNG and we were wiped. You do have to be more offensive and fast to hit the check with dragon but I'll take consistent damage throughout the fight over potentially not doing anything.
It's funny how I ran this with full party with all ice weapons, but we were all wiped every time since we couldn't deal enough damage (like 30 runs, no kidding). Then I ran the party with dragon weapons, and it took less than 5 runs to finally beat this guy. After that, I always run with Alatreon weapon. I'm sure ice might do more damage, but when it comes to multiplayer, count on your randoms who carry"Alatreon" weapons, because it can at least mean that they beat the special assignment and are familiar with how to bring down this monster. *Btw, watch out for those trolls/noobs who bring thunder, water, abnormal statuses weapons* -_-
Alatreon weapons also have high enough Dragon damage to be comparable to other elements after the 0.1 multiplier. A lot of guides dont talk about this.
I don't think I saw you mention this in the previous video, but his horn only takes part damage during dragon active and dragon active only. This means that his horn is immune to part damage when you element topple him, even during dragon active, because he is considered to be out of dragon active state for the duration of the topple (he is 'elementless'). You still want to hit his horns for big DPS since they're so soft, but you need to keep in mind that you are basically making zero progress towards the horn break (if you or your team are struggling to do it for some reason). You might want to use the opportunity to do a head tenderize if you're a bow user (tenderize only increases his head hitzone from 85 to 88.75 for sever and impact so it's not that important for melee users unless you're relying on WEX to cap crit).
yeah people asked in last vids comments and i told them it doesnt work, but i forgot to include it in this video lol. thanks for pointing it out, ive added it to the pinned
For flash I think it's not once per hunt, I flashed Ala twice. I think there's cooldown on dropping Ala using flash pods. Also, the best ele when solo if you can't break horns is thunder/water instead of dragon, huh. Also also, I think the nova cycle is fixed at 5 min per cycle when a hunter is present (within Ala's sight and not on camp) and can be prolonged by flinching
There are at least 2 very important tips that are missing i believe here: 1. You can only damage and break horn in dragon mod. 2. As he makes dragon explosion to change to dragon mod, in front of Alatreon's head is safe zone, you can just position there and land free hit, with SnS, longsword or greatsword it can even be insant hornbreak
I do actually recommend dragon and not going for the horns on most runs, I've seen the most consistent wins even with randoms. If you want sub 8 mins with your friends that are actually good at the game, use fire or ice. Lastly always bring a healer and have high dragon res or blightproof.
Definitely not the way to go. Dragon barely does any damage in both ice and fire active state. If you want to run an element that's effective in all 3 active states you're better off bringing thunder or water. Dragon element is by far the worst.
2:25 What? There are two types of those lightning attacks? I've hunted him multiple times and never noticed it. lol! I usually just stay around his forelegs when he does that move. It's a relatively safe area and just wail on him while he's stuck in his animation.
Are you certain about the flash pods? I'm almost positive I've flashed him more the. Once a hunt. At the end of MHW or maybe the start of IB they changed flash pods to have a cool down period where the monster cant be flashed again, maybe that's what you're seeing?
My best time is 14 I am really struggling when he flys around enraged u can’t knock or flash him down any tips.besides using smoke bombs and ghillie mantle
from personal experience i've noticed that EJ gets triggered from anywhere between 5 to 8 minutes into the hunt for the first time, not sure if that goes on for following EJs. If you are wondering how i got these numbers... we've had a rough day to say the least
You can always claw flinch after he does the double/triple ground pound with the arms if he is in the air, as well as when he does the dragon explosion in tha air!
The real question is dragon or water for an allrounder to help people hit the ele check. Cause in fire mode water does ok. While dragon does ok in dragon mode. So water should be a bit better when it´s the fire starter quest. Since you do ok dmg and you are not useless if he gets into ice somehow.
You may not know anything thing about this, but I'm certain his wings are health gated. I've only had them break near death and that's with focusing on them and ignoring them the whole fight until the end.
So you do more raw damage on the head but more elemental damage on the arms. With a couple elemental dual blades, let's say both horns are already broken, where should you attack to do most overall damage to Alateron, head or arms?
that kind of thing will usually depend on how much ele vs raw you have on the build, and what parts are more consistently available for you to reach. comparing between raw and ele is tough, sorry i cant give anything specific
i'm confused, what is the "elementless mode" you're talking about? I thought he only went fire > dragon > ice (or ice dragon fire), didnt know there was a fourth stage
yeah its only during the topple iirc, maybe like right after a nova or smthin idk, but the topple is when it counts. Dont worry too much tho, we never build around that mode
I beat him yesterday solo for the second time (I switched consoles lol). I didn't kill him after the second horn break so he went ice active on me, BUT I was still able to take him down by being persistent through the loop. If you're struggling to beat him, just go hard on your ice element and if he wipes you once its fine, he'll go back to your effective element afterwards. If you're trying to be fast though, idk maybe build a new set, optimize your hunt, idk what else to do lol.
Hey cons, I just want to let you know that I watch your videos even though I dont even play World. You know how it is. I got 3 victory Rosales at fortnite today tho uwu
Been trying the fight using SA. I've got to the point where the DPS check is easy, the real challenge is reliably breaking the horns. Wall Banging is super inconsistent and buggy hit boxes, so this leaves me with downing from flight. I can down him in flight, but by the time I recover from landing and run to him I get like 4 hits in on the horns and cannot break them. After that hes enraged, and that means no more hitting the head. Kinda stumped.
Huh why is SA's modifier exactly like DB's and Bow of all things, while ZSD does a bunch of elemental damage you need quite a big opening to do it. I only manage to contain "a lot of its power", I don't feel like SA is at the same level as Bow and DBs when it comes to elemental damage, then again maybe it's just me.
I've been killing Alatreon consistently using elemental LBG. My problem is breaking his horns, so my hunt takes roughly 21 minutes. Any tip on how to break his horns using LBG when he switch to dragon element?
stickies/slicing both work depending on your lbg keep him unenraged if possible so you can flinch shot him into the wall sleep + bombs/mines do a nice burst of damage too! but yeah its tough to break the horns with ele lbg for sure
I did my fastest run with the correct element dual blades, but had to die once to change weapons because I could not break it's head the second time before the second escaton judgment. I go with dragon and i seem to be able to do it consistently, but long. Went with with a 3 man team with dragon longswords and we would do it in around 15 mins or so. Though i think it's only true on faster hitting weapons. Even dragon gunlance works him surprisingly
You're wrong about the flash pods. I've flashed him at least twice in 1 hunt. You just have to make sure he's not enraged then give it about 5 minutes in between flashes and you'll easily get 2, possibly 3 per hunt. I've done this myself so I know it works. Also, any monster drops a shiny part when flinched into a wall. Otherwise, awesome information!
How the hell are people having issues with it switching elements after breaking horns? Breaking its horns locks it from changing to to fire if it started ice or vise versa.
Savage axe against him is crazy, i was helping my friend duo slay him who doesn't have any elemental weapons and I by myself met the full element check for 3 novas
Is it still as effective without safi weapons or kjarr weapons ? What’s your build and weapon I really need help lmao I’ve carted too much what element did you usec
@@RhynnMedia I have no idea how it is without Safi and kjarr, I used Safi armor and kjarr cb ice. My build was kjarr CB ice augmented for health, full Safi b armor, health boost 3, full ice attack, one capacity, 3crit boost, and enough critical eye to get to 100% affinity, the rest were random skills like blight resistance, and evade window.
The main thing that helped me was to never do this quest with randoms if you're going to go with a group make sure it's people that you know and you can communicate with solo is the easiest way
Either that or join a group with a person(s) using Alatreon Dominator. They usually know what they're doing (totally not just saying that because I use it....lol). It seems more likely to get a decent team in the event quests than it was for the special assigment, tbf
I completed him enough times to get all the armor and all the weapons that I like to use I just fight him for the fun of it now and because he has decent king defense Sphere drops
The horn break strategy just doesn't work with my team we try using ice for the special assignments did not get the elemental Flinch not once but when we switch to dragon we comfortably get the elemental flinch not needing to worry about the horn really does change how you fight him
Those numbers are slightly off. Dragon works best all around. In a team you can have one teammate run the opposite element it starts in, Evening Star high ice, Death Star high fire. This has worked best for my team. Please do not flash, don't miss out on that free flinch shot knock down damage, equip temp mantle and clutch claw attack to weaken parts and stay consistent with damage while enraged in air, have a teammate with crystalburst stall it. This has worked best for us. Also when he does his spread lightning it's best to hug it's stomach area to keep attacking, lightning does not spawn there, stay away from feet unless your good with longsword you can use that for foresight hits.
I expected CB phials to be a huge contributor but then I saw that data and really...I can sort of understand why but I'm still bummed out to find that out.
I tried fighting it at a MR that gives me no augs and a defense cap of 174 per armor piece (178 for Alatreon armor). Ow. That shit just hurts to a stupid degree. Why did they make this MR24 when anyone actually at that MR would just triple cart from all the damage? Even with kinsect cheese, you still have to not get hit and not miss bug/tenderizes...
yeah the mr entry level is shockingly low for this quest, i think because of all the hype they wanted to get as many people back playing as possible, but damn imagine going straight into this after shara lol
@@ConsOA I basically did, rushing through after one Safi hunt, lmao. It's basically impossible to hunt fairly at this MR unless you're godly enough to not give a shit about Alatreon's set, if only because the damage is scaled to super endgame armor upgrading and augmenting. With a plunderblade and partbreaker 3 you can probably farm the stuff and get out, but hunting it at below the rank that unlocks your first weapon augments with MR appropriate gear? If you can do that reliably, you don't need an elemental resistance set. Edit: Untrue. All of that is completely untrue. All you need to be a bad player in this fight and still win? The almighty crutch, Vaal Soulvein. Especially if you cart enough to make 3pc Alatreon and run AlaVaal immortality build. I found Nexus Gae Bolg to be a fine stick to beat with. Ended up going element boost and dragon for a stick beating mix. Unfortunately, it was still 29:40 with actual glaive hits because I'm trash, especially at aiming the kinsect and clutch claw use (and my hands cramp up fast), but a win is a win.
I don't think escaton is timed. I've been killed just a short while before he was going to use it after his stint in dragon mode. I decided to wait at base camp for it to do its attack before going back in, after 10 minutes he still didn't do it. Instead waited 30 seconds or so after I entered the fight again
@@ConsOA Also it seems like certain modes lock him out of judgement. I've had multiple times were he would do "early" judgements if I flashed him out of the air which seems to mean he won't leave his flying mode for a judgement but as soon as he's out he will go to do it.
Alatreon does escaton ever 6-8 minutes. If you cart right before he uses escaton, Alatreon will wait till you are back in the arena to nuke. Why kill you just once, when he can kill you twice with out you having a chance to fight back.
....this whole time I've been reading that two-table the wrong way around. I've always thought that dragon had 0.5 and 0.4 multipliers respectively in Fire and Ice active phases, fml.
the elemental breakpoints are really funny; they're basically all wrong yesterday I saw a CB streamer get [7:40] for comparison, the best hammer speedrunner in the world can do [7:27] the first hammer elemental topple should be at around 250 GS around 300
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You can flash him multiple times per quest if you wait some time between them. Thanks trey, i forgot about the flash decay
Not part of the video but people were asking, so I wanna clarify im 99% sure part damage during fire/ice mode doesn't make the horn easier to break in dragon
Also most (all) monsters drop shinies when flinched, my bad haha but still keep an eye out for them. Sidenote, geology doesnt double these :(
serenity pointed out that you can grab the crystal bursts in area 1 to flinch ala out of annoying moves
Um what about your build 🤷🏾♂️
1:27 you can also clutch on to him to avoid damage here.
great point!
Jaygonator pretty sure you only take damage if he is using the fire version
another useful tip is flinch shoting Alatreon at the very start of the event quest mission. As soon as you land in the arena he will roar, you can i-frame it (use evasion mantle for the boost if you want but not necessary) or just use rocksteady mantle to ignore it. Clutch claw to the right side of Alatreon's face (your left side) and hit twice then flinch shot. Theres a rock wall right behind he can hit but bear in mind that sometimes his initial attack after the roar might move him a bit off the right position but I always use this strat at the beginning to do good damage to the horns with the wall bang and gives you a good chance to charge your phials (I main CB). Hope this helps someone
thanks for posting! yeah i use this opener for my runs too, it's really nice for rage mode, and proc'ing evasion mantle on the first roar. good stuff
Nice tip, but thr horns take no damage in fire or ice mode, they only have hp on dragon mode.
So focusing the head when it is on fire or ice is useless unless you are trying to stun
Beldr you can still do elemental damage while he is down.
Note that if alatreon tries to do the lightning strike attack while you're hanging on his head, he might veer off slightly to the left and miss the wall entirely when you launch him. You need to slightly delay the 2nd turn to prevent this.
When Alatreon is thundering all around a thunder never strikes two times in the same spot. So if you want to be safe with ranged weapons you should place yourself in a spot already been hit.
The Crystal bursts are also Very useful to stall alatreon while he is flying giving a teammate time to flinch shot him out of the sky in multiplayer you can also use the counter clutch claw from lance and then change stances while grappled
A side note, when he does the lightning strikes AOE, you can punish him between front and back legs the lightning doesn't hit there.
sweet, great tip!
My dude, you're quickly becoming my favourite MH RUclipsr. Good shit man, keep it up! :)
thank you :D that's very kind
This is a guide we all surely need! Rly love the sprradsheet, very informative for us to find the best weapon-element maximum output combo for the fight
thanks! these sheets were produced by dataminers though, im just sharing the info. I was gonna make my own sheet with all the info summarised, but I'd rather keep it to theirs
Quick caveat about the ineffective nature of Dragon Damage: For Hunting Horn users, bringing even the rarity 11 Alatreon HH (due to the song list) can provide both enough dragon damage and team-wide elemental boosts to merit ignoring the "ooOOoooo but it's not OpITimAL" issue.
However, you still could bring along a Safi elemental horn with the same song list if you're really struggling but the numbers Alatreon Revival can hit are practically unmatched.
Great video. Didn't know many of these, especially the CB phials modifier and savage axe mode being better
thanks! glad I could help ^_^
Hey, man. I just wanted to tell you that I really appreciate your content. You share quality information and have a great understanding of the player perspective. Super cool. Good stuff.
I really appreciate that, thanks
i knew probably about half the tips in this video but the other half i learned are quite helpful! thank you and great video
hey cons better do alot of content in the future love the vid
Great video. I really appreciate the tip about the direction of the lightning bolts. I couldn't figure out what the tell for it was. Thank you for the tips!
thank you! and you're very welcome ^_^, took me a while to realise that too
That CB savage axe tip is nice I've mostly just been spamming saed's I only ever really used savage axe when we failed to break the horn and switched over.
same, i never got into savage axe but this fight is making me wanna learn it. I just wanna saed ;-;
Always appreciate you sharing your knowledge and research. Here's to more hunting!
happy hunting ^_^
I have noticed that Alatreon consistently uses his nova roughly every 6 to 8 minutes. If you cart before he uses his nova, he will wait until you are back in the arena to nuke.
That is absolute dogshit
Today i've made it today solo and i would recommend to get enough alatreon parts to already be able to create at least 3 sets of alatreon armor + alatreon bow, that should be pretty easy with partbreaker 3 skill.
With 2 Sets of Alatreon armor you can already get higher elemental damage but with 3 parts you can easy get an elemental resistance from 20+ for all elements.
Without element ammo, you won't be able to survive the nova, so for solo i guess a bow with at least fire and ice ammo is really needed, so Soulfire Rasp Blaze or even Xeno Neqiina + should be a good alternative.
With my set i've also used 2 parts of namielle y armor for namielle divinity for even more elemental damage.
Razorsharp charm is a must have for more ammo, i've also had attack boost 3, health boost 3, fire, water, ice, thunder and dragon res lv3, fire and ice attack lv3, recovery up lv2, fortify, minds eye and free meal 1.
For solo free meal is also a must have as you have a chance to have more health options to survive alatreon's nova more often. (in my previous tries i was always out of health options, so i just traded a decoration for elemental attack with a free meal decoration.
So i believe tigrex/bruterex and even MR Kulve Armor would be good choices to defeat Alatreon because of the free meal secret, i haven't tried Nargacuga Armor parts as it doesn't have much decoration slots, so i would not recommend that set.
I've tried a flash pod while alatreon is in the air, works just fine one time to bring him down, the second time nothing happens.
So from my point of view, this fight could be faster with critical boost lv3 and critical element skill but to be honest, i haven't found any kjarr lbg with rapid fire ice and fire element and all the kjarr lbg only comes with fire or ice element, so with two players it would be an option but not for solo, so another option for true critical element would be 4 parts of silver rathalos armor but haven't tried it yet.
Another little help would be a palico with a poison weapon, the chance is small that alatreon get's poisoned as it will take some time but that's always some extra damage for free.
So it seems that there is some kind of elemental damage check you have to make until you will be able to survive it's nova but that's much better than a monster leaving the quest, so all i have to say, Alatreon is a bit challenging but it's a fun fight, i've enjoyed it a lot but i will try some things to get my armor a bit better to do much more damage.
I didn't make any horn breaks but it wasn't really needed, i've made enough elemental damage even if it was in dragon mode, so you don't have to worry to brake the horns to finish him.
For those elecric bolt attacks (also as the fire attacks) sometimes Alatreon makes a few in a row, i would recommend to run towards him while he is doing that or do a roll towards him, that's the best chance to get not hit by that attacks.
All the spot bolt attacks, mostly under him is a save spot but if not, timing is the key to get not hit.
So I recommend building the Alatreon LBG and upgrading it to it's final version ASAP,
I did this before I even defeated him by using a Sticky HBG with partbreaker 3 and Palico plunderblade only focus on the wings until he changes elements the focus the horns only rinse and repeat fortitude helps cause you will be carting by breaking the horns you will have a chance of getting the super rare dragonsphire as a reward after you fail the quest.
Your best armor to use is either 5pcs Safi or 3 pcs Safi, 2 pcs Alatreon I go with the Alatreon head and waist beta versions and the rest Safi beta as well, but you seam to want a more defensive build so swap the head with Safi and the legs with Alatreon alpha's.
You really don't need all that elemental resistances just get blight 3 , if you can't reach blight 3 go with dragon res 3 and thunder res 3 those are the worst blights to have cause dragon nulifies all you elemental dmg and thunder will stun you if you get knocked over while your blighted with it.
I also don't recommend free meal unless your running a widerange build to help your team you just need to optimize you item bag better. I will give you some helpful tips on what you should have on you for healing;
10 mega potions
10 potions
10 honey
This will let you craft another 10 so you will have 20 mega potions total. I recommend only making another 5 mega potions then saving the rest of you honey for mega nutrients to make max potions.
2 max potions
5 mega nutrients
5 nutrients
10 mandragora mushrooms
This will let you craft 5 more max potions then 5 more mega nutrients (mega nutrients do require honey so don't use it all up making mega potions) then another 5 more max potions so you will have a total of 12 max potions
2 dust's of life
4 gloamgrass buds
3 lifepowders
10 godbugs
6 bitterbugs
This will let you make another 4 dust's of life's so you will have 6 total. You can make another 6 lifepowdes so you will have 9 total
1 ancient potion
For when you cart before you can eat again
5 astera jerky
5 great sushifish's if you have any not really needed TBH
Only use when he is doing his nova use it as soon as your health reaches half you should only need to take one per nova plus a mega potion, lifepowder, or dust's of life
So in summery you will have;
15-20 mega potions
7-12 max potions
6 dust's of life
9 lifepowders
1 ancient potion
That's a lot of healing I have never used all of it in one fight. Good luck hope this helps.
another tip crystal bursts can flinch him they are found at the camp, useful to stop him from doing moves you don't like, I use it when it's about to wombo combo someone or when its doing thunder :3
great point! I forgot about the crystal bursts at camp. ill put it in the pinned comment
One other tip that I see many people not doing: Get those crystal bursts before dropping into the fight. You can shot them at him if he acting too wild and that will pause some of his attacks. Very good if your stuck on the ground and he ready to shot an attack at you. Great video btw. Keep em coming.
great point! i need to start bringing these for the pins lol
Great video cons! So, since elemental damage modifiers occur for every weapon for reaching the elemental cap, would you say it's fine bringing whichever weapon you are most comfortable with in party? My teammates only use a couple weapons like lance and hammer and i was worried we wouldn't reach the elemental cap unless they switched to a more elemental weapon type and learned it
Lance is a pretty good elemental weapon GL not so much. Also Hammers do fairly well you just have to learn the moves that deal the most elemental dmg in Motion values such as the Spin win charge and the Charge 3 grapple attack
7:20 how'd you get a vid of me trying to break the horns🥺?
lmaooo claw is so damn annoying on this monster lol
@@ConsOA yeah I call it the second dps check.
Handler: " good job weakening alatreon! But don't get to happy, you now have to break the horn. Soooooo see you back at camp😅."
ap3 ! I flinch shot him as soon as he gets into dragon mode, it does a good chunk to his horns
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well done, awesome explanation and video editing, thanks for uploading
2:40 Even easyer, you can just stand on his Frontlegs, you never ever get hit by that attack on them.
You may loose Headdamage, but the Frontlegs are bigger Ele Weakspots anyway.
Also no Thunderbolt strikes twice on the same Place.
2:05 You can do this with the lightning wave as well. Stands still long enough for a full combo or a wallshot after it stops sparking.
Glad to find some good tips and tricks for helping people learn hunts.
thanks! glad i could help
That's a LOT of excellent tips, many that I didn't know before.
It seems the "dragon" damage one isn't common knowledge - I see a lot of random people, in multiplayer, bringing dragon damage weapons. And we fail to make the DPS check a LOT when there's multiple of them in group. This makes a lot more sense to me now.....
Thanks for these tips! I tried a bunch of times with pogs, and finally killed him with a healer lbg build using his own weapon XD. You can still dish out some decent damage while buffing and keeping your team alive, as long as the other three are competent. I find that the time you give your team to fight instead of heal more than makes up for whatever less dps you lose by going healer.
I thank u in the name of beginners who r really struggling, I know that feeling pretty well, with ur explanation he is more easy now
thanks, im glad i could help! we were all there once, im glad i can help the people struggling even if only a little
Does the flinch shot shiny drop only occur when you send alatreon running into something? Or just when you use flinch shot regardless of whether it moves?
2:00 is really helpful. It's easy to implement in your gameplay and gives you a pretty decent window to do damage.
Wouldn't have thought of that myself and judging from my random lobbies that goes for a lot of people.
thank you! glad you thought it was handy too, and yeah i know what you mean, quite a few people online dont know lots of these
In fact I finally managed to beat it for the first time a few hours after watching this video. It really helped!
Keep up the good stuff!
I want to come back and thank you your tips helped me out a ton I was using ice gsword and fatalis dragon gs and able to make all the weapons I was interested in making on both of my characters
No problem, glad i could help ^_^
Thanks for checking on the timer for nova, looks like testing didn't line up with my observation; good to know. I will wait and see what testing produces, but it really makes me wonder what dictates it.
I'm also glad you worked out the dragon maths, average 0.4 modifier is much lower than 0.8 for the appropriate element, and even if you get pushed to the wrong element for the 3rd phase you still have the raw component to finish the hunt with. Even the off-element (water/thunder) averages to 0.6 which is better than dragon's 0.4. Dragon is worse even in the hunts where you cant break the horns at all; you maintain the consistent 0.4 versus swapping between beneficial (0.8) and detrimental (0.25) for an average of 0.5. the only instance that dragon is better is if you would have otherwise started with the detrimental elements but still managed to break horns. but at this point i feel like its going to be a rare group to pull off, unless you are all running dragon and focusing the head.
I'm still a little fuzzy on shot hitzones pre and post tenderize, and how they apply the elemental damage, but that is something I just need to do some reading on. Looks like LBG really isn't the way to go on this hunt unless you want to simplify the hunt to "safety strafe and tape down the trigger". Time to dust off my LS, or actually take the time to learn CB. :D
no problem! its possible it IS on a timer, but is affected by things like rage mode and time spent in elementless mode or stuff like that, but basically i found it not consistent enough for me to try and rely on for safety. i didnt do a huge amount of testing on it tho so who knows
and yeah agree with the analysis entirely. Another time it can help is when you're overshooting the ele topple in right phase but under in wrong phase, and not able to horn break. In that case, dropping to dragon might help you consistently topple instead of missing every other one
good luck with the weapon choice! yeah im struggling with lbg tho the ala one seems decent so idk
@@ConsOA I was looking into more runs, and it very well may be a "lesser of two values" where it goes to 6m if you don't deal enough damage, or earlier if you break some sort of threshold.
I was watching the P3 Hame and it gets pushed to dragon in about a minute, and its dead in 2. Might suggest a forced phase transition based on health.
Rage mode is a big deal as well, too many variables without trying to isolate in testing.
I knew about the damage increase, but I prefer to not have him enraged when he enters Dragon Active so that I can still flinch shot him and then break his horns.
Also, Lance having a 1 multiplier breaks my heart. Capcom hates elemental lance.
I mean its only 600 elemental damage, its very easy to hit that with a decent set. And if you want to invest nothing into element you can do that albeit its very hard to reach the threshold for most players.
yeah i know what you mean, it's definitely nice to have that flinch shot to do most of the horn damage if youre struggling to reach it yourself
and i thought lance put out a decent rate of elemental damage? a modifier of 1 is way better than some of the other weapons (db's needed that nerf lmao) but yeah 1.1 would have been nice
@@ConsOA Lance elemental damage is... alright? It's definitely worse than GS in my runs. Lance has a 0.7 elemental multiplier on all attacks, which is just a shame.
As someone who has been bringing a Safi Dragon IG with an ice kinsect, this has taught me I’m 70% terrible. At least I’m downward thrusting its head. Good info!!
nahh you're averaging 0.4 during ice, and a bunch more during fire, so it's really not that bad. More like 20% haha
thanks, glad i could help!
-Alot of his attacks can be evaded by just running/side stepping, not needing to dodge roll even when unsheathe. but this does NOT apply well with heavy weapons tho.
-During his flying frost breath attack, you should clutch claw to him to avoid damage AND tenderize a part, howerever during fire breathes you will still get damaged.
-It is safer to fight him close and on his sides, therefore use close range modifiers and ballistics jewel on bowgun/bow users.
-Evade window is more helpful in the fight than running full def/resist builds.
-Avoid using Rocksteady mantle, its more like a bait mantle.
-Glider mantle slotted with 2x evade 4+ jewels is a better alternative.
Hope this helps!
good ideas!
@@ConsOA His Transition Dragon Nova is a good punish move since the dmg time on the hit box is very short. The Hit box itself is small and sticks fairly close to the body.
Those smoke bombs really help thanks for the info!
Ty so much for these guides I finally managed to solo him after all this time because of your help and I’m beyond thankful over exaggerated i know but I’m to happy lol ty once again :))))
haha not a problem friend, im really glad my advice could help you get that solo ^_^
good job, and best of luck in the future hunts!
Dual Blade Arts: Instant Horn Clip Technique!!!
Assassin mantle + smoke bomb, instant demon dance when hidden facing head only hitting the head. Solo only. Been using this all the time preiceborne.
Btw ez sling shots are when it’s on the ground prepping for the frost vomit from the air, just clutch and fire.
To avoid its spinning breath attack, just go str8 beneath it for clutch claw to it before it does it.
Sometimes I don’t like to run to him so just catch a ride by timing a clutch when he speeds.
As you said, CB savage axe seems to really do the trick ! I equip my Kjarr Ice and the magic is here...
so break the horns when you want him to Stay in that current element ?
yes! i have a video going into those mechanics in way more detail btw, its called "alatreon mechanics explained" or something like that, have a look if you want more details
My question is how much damn damage does it take to hurt him elementally. I've knocked him a few times to where he was drooling but not enough for the Handler's prompt. Idk, I can break the horns but time thinking if u don't do enough damage before dragon phase u cant feet the flinch.
Hey cons. I have a question about sw. I lost some jewels. What i messed uo? Any tips?
Personally on the big ice and fire AoE's I've been clutch clawing and getting a relatively safe head softening. Also on the lightning storm, the lightning doesn't typically hit the same place twice so pick a spot it just hit next to you and your good. On the elemental numbers I haven't had much issue just running Alatreons weapons, I've beat it with it's IG, LS, CB and Switchaxe, using Safi Head, Chest and Arms and Alatreon Waist and Legs, just keep it at it and pay attention, learn what you can and can't punish with your weapon and you'll be good. Health boost and Blight Resist are a must.
I've soloed him with his dragon weapons with little difficulty (in terms of hitting the ele check) outside of bad RNG with his moves. On the flip side, I've been in groups where 2 or more people were doing no damage during his shift because they were banking on breaking the horns. That paired with bad RNG and we were wiped. You do have to be more offensive and fast to hit the check with dragon but I'll take consistent damage throughout the fight over potentially not doing anything.
Cons awesome video as always. Didn't know most. Thank you so much. You are amazing
ahhh i appreciate it mate, glad i could show you some new stuff!
Hey Cons, how does the new Ala hammer compare to lightbreak or Safi hammer?
I recommend getting Felyne Acrobat food skill. It allow you to recover quicker after being send flying. Less time wasted on animations.
It's funny how I ran this with full party with all ice weapons, but we were all wiped every time since we couldn't deal enough damage (like 30 runs, no kidding). Then I ran the party with dragon weapons, and it took less than 5 runs to finally beat this guy. After that, I always run with Alatreon weapon. I'm sure ice might do more damage, but when it comes to multiplayer, count on your randoms who carry"Alatreon" weapons, because it can at least mean that they beat the special assignment and are familiar with how to bring down this monster. *Btw, watch out for those trolls/noobs who bring thunder, water, abnormal statuses weapons* -_-
Alatreon weapons also have high enough Dragon damage to be comparable to other elements after the 0.1 multiplier. A lot of guides dont talk about this.
I don't think I saw you mention this in the previous video, but his horn only takes part damage during dragon active and dragon active only. This means that his horn is immune to part damage when you element topple him, even during dragon active, because he is considered to be out of dragon active state for the duration of the topple (he is 'elementless'). You still want to hit his horns for big DPS since they're so soft, but you need to keep in mind that you are basically making zero progress towards the horn break (if you or your team are struggling to do it for some reason). You might want to use the opportunity to do a head tenderize if you're a bow user (tenderize only increases his head hitzone from 85 to 88.75 for sever and impact so it's not that important for melee users unless you're relying on WEX to cap crit).
yeah people asked in last vids comments and i told them it doesnt work, but i forgot to include it in this video lol. thanks for pointing it out, ive added it to the pinned
For flash I think it's not once per hunt, I flashed Ala twice. I think there's cooldown on dropping Ala using flash pods.
Also, the best ele when solo if you can't break horns is thunder/water instead of dragon, huh.
Also also, I think the nova cycle is fixed at 5 min per cycle when a hunter is present (within Ala's sight and not on camp) and can be prolonged by flinching
There are at least 2 very important tips that are missing i believe here:
1. You can only damage and break horn in dragon mod.
2. As he makes dragon explosion to change to dragon mod, in front of Alatreon's head is safe zone, you can just position there and land free hit, with SnS, longsword or greatsword it can even be insant hornbreak
I do actually recommend dragon and not going for the horns on most runs, I've seen the most consistent wins even with randoms. If you want sub 8 mins with your friends that are actually good at the game, use fire or ice. Lastly always bring a healer and have high dragon res or blightproof.
Definitely not the way to go. Dragon barely does any damage in both ice and fire active state. If you want to run an element that's effective in all 3 active states you're better off bringing thunder or water. Dragon element is by far the worst.
2:25 What? There are two types of those lightning attacks? I've hunted him multiple times and never noticed it. lol! I usually just stay around his forelegs when he does that move. It's a relatively safe area and just wail on him while he's stuck in his animation.
When you say "savage axe" at around 7:25 what exactly do you mean?
For a weapon like IG, is it worth it to stick to the hind legs and tenderize them or better to go for heavy attacks on head and frontlegs?
i would always go for the head personally, but i dont know how the numbers work out tbh
I was shocked how fast savage axe with kjarr melts the element check. I had only been using LS until I tried
Is it possible to use smoke bomb in multiplayer and escape combat mode against Alatreon and return to camp?
Are you certain about the flash pods? I'm almost positive I've flashed him more the. Once a hunt. At the end of MHW or maybe the start of IB they changed flash pods to have a cool down period where the monster cant be flashed again, maybe that's what you're seeing?
You cannot flash Alatreon when he is enraged... you know, when you really need it.
My best time is 14 I am really struggling when he flys around enraged u can’t knock or flash him down any tips.besides using smoke bombs and ghillie mantle
from personal experience i've noticed that EJ gets triggered from anywhere between 5 to 8 minutes into the hunt for the first time, not sure if that goes on for following EJs. If you are wondering how i got these numbers... we've had a rough day to say the least
Topple threshold explains why some weapons seem to do it way easier than others.
You can always claw flinch after he does the double/triple ground pound with the arms if he is in the air, as well as when he does the dragon explosion in tha air!
When he's charging up the area with ice too
The real question is dragon or water for an allrounder to help people hit the ele check. Cause in fire mode water does ok. While dragon does ok in dragon mode.
So water should be a bit better when it´s the fire starter quest. Since you do ok dmg and you are not useless if he gets into ice somehow.
You may not know anything thing about this, but I'm certain his wings are health gated. I've only had them break near death and that's with focusing on them and ignoring them the whole fight until the end.
So you do more raw damage on the head but more elemental damage on the arms. With a couple elemental dual blades, let's say both horns are already broken, where should you attack to do most overall damage to Alateron, head or arms?
that kind of thing will usually depend on how much ele vs raw you have on the build, and what parts are more consistently available for you to reach. comparing between raw and ele is tough, sorry i cant give anything specific
Great video Cons!
Thanks for showing that Numbers, cons!
you're welcome ^_^
i'm confused, what is the "elementless mode" you're talking about? I thought he only went fire > dragon > ice (or ice dragon fire), didnt know there was a fourth stage
Meeting the elemental threshold will cause alatreon to topple, during this time he is in elementless state.
yeah its only during the topple iirc, maybe like right after a nova or smthin idk, but the topple is when it counts. Dont worry too much tho, we never build around that mode
I beat him yesterday solo for the second time (I switched consoles lol). I didn't kill him after the second horn break so he went ice active on me, BUT I was still able to take him down by being persistent through the loop. If you're struggling to beat him, just go hard on your ice element and if he wipes you once its fine, he'll go back to your effective element afterwards.
If you're trying to be fast though, idk maybe build a new set, optimize your hunt, idk what else to do lol.
Is it possible to beat alatreon with a MR below 100?
Yes
Do you know what the threshold is for the Horn Break?
Hey cons, I just want to let you know that I watch your videos even though I dont even play World. You know how it is. I got 3 victory Rosales at fortnite today tho uwu
love you bearman, and good job ^_^
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Been trying the fight using SA.
I've got to the point where the DPS check is easy, the real challenge is reliably breaking the horns.
Wall Banging is super inconsistent and buggy hit boxes, so this leaves me with downing from flight.
I can down him in flight, but by the time I recover from landing and run to him I get like 4 hits in on the horns and cannot break them. After that hes enraged, and that means no more hitting the head.
Kinda stumped.
Huh why is SA's modifier exactly like DB's and Bow of all things, while ZSD does a bunch of elemental damage you need quite a big opening to do it. I only manage to contain "a lot of its power", I don't feel like SA is at the same level as Bow and DBs when it comes to elemental damage, then again maybe it's just me.
I've been killing Alatreon consistently using elemental LBG. My problem is breaking his horns, so my hunt takes roughly 21 minutes. Any tip on how to break his horns using LBG when he switch to dragon element?
Same with me.. I just need one more skywayer for dominator
stickies/slicing both work depending on your lbg
keep him unenraged if possible so you can flinch shot him into the wall
sleep + bombs/mines do a nice burst of damage too!
but yeah its tough to break the horns with ele lbg for sure
I did my fastest run with the correct element dual blades, but had to die once to change weapons because I could not break it's head the second time before the second escaton judgment. I go with dragon and i seem to be able to do it consistently, but long. Went with with a 3 man team with dragon longswords and we would do it in around 15 mins or so. Though i think it's only true on faster hitting weapons. Even dragon gunlance works him surprisingly
What armor did you use?
Here's a way to get past the element dps check, just use insect glaive and have the kinsect fire or ice, works like a charm.
i did a video on this a couple of days ago haha, its really handy
awesome video!
Mowlatove cocktail, what's the damage on that? I never thought of using it for fire damage!!!!!
i honestly have no clue, but palico element is a really good point in general!
You're wrong about the flash pods. I've flashed him at least twice in 1 hunt. You just have to make sure he's not enraged then give it about 5 minutes in between flashes and you'll easily get 2, possibly 3 per hunt. I've done this myself so I know it works. Also, any monster drops a shiny part when flinched into a wall. Otherwise, awesome information!
ah thanks, i forgot about flash pod resistance decaying over time, thanks for pointing that out. ive added it to the pinned coment
All good stuff again.
How the hell are people having issues with it switching elements after breaking horns?
Breaking its horns locks it from changing to to fire if it started ice or vise versa.
Savage axe against him is crazy, i was helping my friend duo slay him who doesn't have any elemental weapons and I by myself met the full element check for 3 novas
Is it still as effective without safi weapons or kjarr weapons ? What’s your build and weapon I really need help lmao I’ve carted too much what element did you usec
@@RhynnMedia I have no idea how it is without Safi and kjarr, I used Safi armor and kjarr cb ice. My build was kjarr CB ice augmented for health, full Safi b armor, health boost 3, full ice attack, one capacity, 3crit boost, and enough critical eye to get to 100% affinity, the rest were random skills like blight resistance, and evade window.
The main thing that helped me was to never do this quest with randoms if you're going to go with a group make sure it's people that you know and you can communicate with solo is the easiest way
Either that or join a group with a person(s) using Alatreon Dominator. They usually know what they're doing (totally not just saying that because I use it....lol).
It seems more likely to get a decent team in the event quests than it was for the special assigment, tbf
I have completed this quest as an event 6 times with complete randoms and 0 times as an assignment. One time our team managed to beat it under 15 mins
I completed him enough times to get all the armor and all the weapons that I like to use I just fight him for the fun of it now and because he has decent king defense Sphere drops
The horn break strategy just doesn't work with my team we try using ice for the special assignments did not get the elemental Flinch not once but when we switch to dragon we comfortably get the elemental flinch not needing to worry about the horn really does change how you fight him
Those numbers are slightly off. Dragon works best all around. In a team you can have one teammate run the opposite element it starts in, Evening Star high ice, Death Star high fire. This has worked best for my team. Please do not flash, don't miss out on that free flinch shot knock down damage, equip temp mantle and clutch claw attack to weaken parts and stay consistent with damage while enraged in air, have a teammate with crystalburst stall it. This has worked best for us. Also when he does his spread lightning it's best to hug it's stomach area to keep attacking, lightning does not spawn there, stay away from feet unless your good with longsword you can use that for foresight hits.
From my experiences, nova times are around 6, 12, and 16.
I have a tip to kill alatreon is 4 easy steps
1. Get kjarr strongarm ice
2. Get full safi armor
3. Learn chargeblade
4. Win
I always use savage axe anyways, so that’s why I’ve been doing so good
I expected CB phials to be a huge contributor but then I saw that data and really...I can sort of understand why but I'm still bummed out to find that out.
I tried fighting it at a MR that gives me no augs and a defense cap of 174 per armor piece (178 for Alatreon armor). Ow. That shit just hurts to a stupid degree. Why did they make this MR24 when anyone actually at that MR would just triple cart from all the damage?
Even with kinsect cheese, you still have to not get hit and not miss bug/tenderizes...
yeah the mr entry level is shockingly low for this quest, i think because of all the hype they wanted to get as many people back playing as possible, but damn imagine going straight into this after shara lol
@@ConsOA I basically did, rushing through after one Safi hunt, lmao. It's basically impossible to hunt fairly at this MR unless you're godly enough to not give a shit about Alatreon's set, if only because the damage is scaled to super endgame armor upgrading and augmenting.
With a plunderblade and partbreaker 3 you can probably farm the stuff and get out, but hunting it at below the rank that unlocks your first weapon augments with MR appropriate gear? If you can do that reliably, you don't need an elemental resistance set.
Edit: Untrue. All of that is completely untrue. All you need to be a bad player in this fight and still win? The almighty crutch, Vaal Soulvein. Especially if you cart enough to make 3pc Alatreon and run AlaVaal immortality build.
I found Nexus Gae Bolg to be a fine stick to beat with. Ended up going element boost and dragon for a stick beating mix. Unfortunately, it was still 29:40 with actual glaive hits because I'm trash, especially at aiming the kinsect and clutch claw use (and my hands cramp up fast), but a win is a win.
I don't think escaton is timed. I've been killed just a short while before he was going to use it after his stint in dragon mode. I decided to wait at base camp for it to do its attack before going back in, after 10 minutes he still didn't do it. Instead waited 30 seconds or so after I entered the fight again
yeah i did the exact same lmaooo, i was desperately hoping to get in after the nova haha
@@ConsOA Also it seems like certain modes lock him out of judgement. I've had multiple times were he would do "early" judgements if I flashed him out of the air which seems to mean he won't leave his flying mode for a judgement but as soon as he's out he will go to do it.
Alatreon does escaton ever 6-8 minutes. If you cart right before he uses escaton, Alatreon will wait till you are back in the arena to nuke. Why kill you just once, when he can kill you twice with out you having a chance to fight back.
....this whole time I've been reading that two-table the wrong way around. I've always thought that dragon had 0.5 and 0.4 multipliers respectively in Fire and Ice active phases, fml.
I killed Alatreon about 25 times but you taught me a lot of things in this video, thanks !
How much damage to break horn on dragon active?
sorry, idk how part damage and break and stuff are calculated. kiranico might have the info, but i have no clue
@@ConsOA no worries man. Your guide already really helpful
Solo i think it is 1200~1300 dmg
With 3/4 players it is about 3300 dmg
@@47slogra thanks, i guess that about right..
I knew the 11th tip, that’s how I got Alatreon GS
nicee, congrats ^_^
such a cool GS
the elemental breakpoints are really funny; they're basically all wrong
yesterday I saw a CB streamer get [7:40]
for comparison, the best hammer speedrunner in the world can do [7:27]
the first hammer elemental topple should be at around 250
GS around 300
theres a scaling applied to those numbers iirc, the modifiers are what's important from that diagram to get a feel for the relative buffs/nerfs