my personal experience as a tank, it is better to use antique cuirass. not only it is have others benefit, it can reduce granger damage making your teammate more survivable
In attempt 1 and attempt 2,we see how blade armour gives more damage reduction while in attempt 3 and attempt 4,antique gives more eamage reduction. Its due to the malefic roar equipped by granger in attempt 3 and attempt 4 that gives more damage because the more defense the enemy has the more damage malefic roar will do and blade armour gives more physical defense than antique cuirass. So in short, if granger has malefic roar antique is a better choice but if granger doesnt have malefic roar blade armour is the better choice
My experience as an exp laner, while playing grock, building damage item, in the early game, granger barely does any dmg to me, that's because i had damage reduction from phy atk via passive. Getting a large amount of defense is important for tanks, but after a certain amount, HP items would have a greater effect on survivability. Like Guardian Helmet and Cursed Helmet for tanks, or War Axe and Queen's Wings for fighters are good example of useful HP items. You could also think of it this way: It takes you 20 hits to die with all of your defense. You can either: add another defense item to make it 22 hits, or add an HP item to make it 25 hits. With 6000 HP you can take 300 damage 20 times to die. You can either: lower that damage to 260 with an extra blade armor and live for 23 attacks now, or keep the damage the same but change your HP to 7500 with Guardian helmet and live for 25 attacks now. This is really just for mid-late game when you already have all the defense you want, and it's still important to factor in the item's passive for each scenario you're in. Also, instead of buying either all defense items first or all HP items first and then the opposite after, you could switch between them each item purchase to flow more evenly with the game(assuming neither side is dominating)
So, in a sense of dmg dealers, more raw attack point item is better than pen if you already have moderate pen? I still tryna figure this out too tbh. On which is better.
Unrelated to the video, but as a tank I love it when you can buy all the items needed and counter all the enemies. Like example enemy has lesley, granger, vexana, lapu lapu and franco. Antique(for lapu and granger and ig franco) Blade(for Lesley and granger and ig lapu) Athena(for vex) Twilight(for all) Guardian(Healing) This shit meth for me
My 2cents on blade armor is to get it if there are at least 2 crit users or their main carry is a crit user. Other than that, AC is really a better counter to Granger overall.
Blade Armor for Granger would only be good in early to early-mid game as a 2nd or 3rd item for tanks However, it's still situational especially since the 1st item for tanks is Dominance Ice If the enemy team has 2-3 Basic Attack dependent heroes, not including any Magic Damage heroes (except Natan), I would pick Blade Armor as 2nd/3rd item If there are at least two Physical Damage dependent heroes and just one Basic Attack hero, in this case the Marksman, I will choose Antique Cuirass as 2nd/3rd item If there are equal amounts of Physical Damage and Basic Attack dealers, I will choose Antique Cuirass first and Blade Armor second because in this case, the other Physical Damage heroes would have their damage reduced, which will help the team and the Basic Attack heroes would have Physical Damage skills that would in turn reduce their Basic Attack damage Then I would choose Radiant Armor, Athena's Shield, and/or Twilight Armor as last items That's my thought process at last, as a World Rank/Global Carmilla - 1st item Thunder Belt
Ty I'd like to ask you something now man, while ago I heard hanabi's basic attacks are counted as skill attacks and not basic attacks, i was kinda shocked after hearing it can you make a video about all the exceptions like this so we can understand the game better? As an houner_glory player I'm supposed to know these detail but I feel like there's a lot of them I don't know of
I think you mean 'Attack Effect' instead of 'Skill Attack' 😅. I just tested it out, and it seems the bounce can’t trigger Spell Vamp, Brave Smite, or items like Ice Queen. So yeah, it’s still treated as a Basic Attack but with a lower percentage of attack effect 😁
Hello can you make HP vs physical defense and HP vs Magic defense video, I don't really know what's better to build more HP or more defense as a roamer, and thanks for your efforts ❤
Hey, thanks for your support 😊 As for your request, I’m sorry, but I don’t think I can make it because there are too many factors that can affect which stats are better 😥 As a roamer like Belerick, going for HP would be great since his Passive can increase Hp-Based Items. For Jhonson, going for Phy Defense Items can make his shield tougher, but if his enemies have lots of magic-damage delaer, then Athena's or Radiant Armor will become a better choice 😅
I think I’ve already covered this in one of my previous videos about damage calculation (ruclips.net/video/F-lIt_vFazU/видео.html) 😁, Thanks for the idea though 😊🙏
Take in account the actual defense it gives, once you got % penetration on granger and he started getting the defenses of the dummy closer to the ones with other items, antique quirass pasive started coming into account. It's not about the critical damage reduction since that calculation is also wrong, it's about the amount of defence you have + pasives
Yes, I know exactly what you're thinking because I understand the in-depth analysis of damage calculation in Mobile Legends (you can check out my other video about it). However, I’m worried that if I explain it the way you explained, the video might go over two minutes since I’m aiming to make a quick video. If I were to go deeper, I’d need to break it down further so everyone can understand it. Also, Blade Armor does affect Granger’s last bullet damage. While it’s not a huge amount, we should still take that into account
@@MLQuickGuideok, i understand it from your pov as a content creator and appreciate your work and bringing the community up to light with these videos. About the in depth research, as you referred to it, i'll try to make it myself since it's harder to explain it rather than obtain the answer to it.
Just some information for u But if u play tank/fighter with tank build and the enemy have another burst dmg like enemy have granger and moskov, i test in game and twilight is better
I think blade armor also counters granger bc of its high base physical stat, and i think antique cuirass is way better cuz it reduces all ohysical attack, which could also help if the enemies have a lot of skill based physical heroes
If it damage it wouldn't effect him too much, but if it nerf about his passive consumption increase then its a great deal, because his dash/blink that what make him hard to kill, because in late game granger almost feel like wan wan with all constant dash/blink move
Yes, you can, but if you're up against more mages or magic damage dealers, I think buying Athena's Shield and Radiant Armor, along with choosing between Blade Armor or Antique Cuirass, will be better
I’m not entirely sure since I’m not a Lunox main, but it could be good if you’re aiming for more sustain. However, for burst damage, I think there are better item options. You’d also need to activate Concentrated Energy’s passive first to unlock its full potential 😅
It does provide lot of sustain, combining the spell vamp and the regen from 1st skill, you don't have to go to base in late game. Also in her dark form, she gets half of the spell vamp as magic pen which is again a win.
@@studenthigh8120 they are talking about the annoying anti spiral comments that appear in multiple videos, they don't say anything BUT anti spiral, and is annoying because of the fact that they are the first comment to be recommended by yt in videos multiple times.
my personal experience as a tank, it is better to use antique cuirass. not only it is have others benefit, it can reduce granger damage making your teammate more survivable
Plus cuirass has health, protecting you more against magic and true dmg.
Blade armor more physical defence is useless because most granger buy penetration
Most importantly Granger is a burst hero. I would say Blade Armor for rapid fire MM. Antique for Burst…
@@MrSeong-kr2dj antique and twilight for burst while blade and dominance for rapid fire/dps
@@DawnWingsml of course I knew that lol, I’m not mythic below…… I’m talking about the video
In attempt 1 and attempt 2,we see how blade armour gives more damage reduction while in attempt 3 and attempt 4,antique gives more eamage reduction.
Its due to the malefic roar equipped by granger in attempt 3 and attempt 4 that gives more damage because the more defense the enemy has the more damage malefic roar will do and blade armour gives more physical defense than antique cuirass.
So in short, if granger has malefic roar antique is a better choice but if granger doesnt have malefic roar blade armour is the better choice
If he use true damage item like endless and war axe use antique because of the extra hp
My experience as an exp laner, while playing grock, building damage item, in the early game, granger barely does any dmg to me, that's because i had damage reduction from phy atk via passive.
Getting a large amount of defense is important for tanks, but after a certain amount, HP items would have a greater effect on survivability. Like Guardian Helmet and Cursed Helmet for tanks, or War Axe and Queen's Wings for fighters are good example of useful HP items.
You could also think of it this way: It takes you 20 hits to die with all of your defense. You can either: add another defense item to make it 22 hits, or add an HP item to make it 25 hits. With 6000 HP you can take 300 damage 20 times to die. You can either: lower that damage to 260 with an extra blade armor and live for 23 attacks now, or keep the damage the same but change your HP to 7500 with Guardian helmet and live for 25 attacks now.
This is really just for mid-late game when you already have all the defense you want, and it's still important to factor in the item's passive for each scenario you're in. Also, instead of buying either all defense items first or all HP items first and then the opposite after, you could switch between them each item purchase to flow more evenly with the game(assuming neither side is dominating)
So, in a sense of dmg dealers, more raw attack point item is better than pen if you already have moderate pen?
I still tryna figure this out too tbh. On which is better.
finally a channel which don't just show how good there in ml. and actually do research on the numbers. good contend man keep it up
Old Granger ult are crit which can be reduced by Blade armor, and it can hold longer since Blade armor reduce 40% crit while antique reduce 18
Iirc
*20% crit dmg reduction
While antique reduce 18% of all incoming physical DMG
@@ZayiksIqariMB i actually forgot it's 20% not 40% lol
my biggest takeaway is twilight armor is better than i thought lol (in the late game atleast)
I think antique is better especially early game you can just buy the stage 2 item of it and get similar effect for much cheaper
Genius
Let's take into consideration that granger mostly won't be hitting all his 1st skill shots
Anti cuirass for skill based physical damage.
Blade armor for basic attack physical damage.
Twilight Armor for burst type physical damage.
Unrelated to the video, but as a tank I love it when you can buy all the items needed and counter all the enemies.
Like example enemy has lesley, granger, vexana, lapu lapu and franco.
Antique(for lapu and granger and ig franco)
Blade(for Lesley and granger and ig lapu)
Athena(for vex)
Twilight(for all)
Guardian(Healing)
This shit meth for me
My 2cents on blade armor is to get it if there are at least 2 crit users or their main carry is a crit user. Other than that, AC is really a better counter to Granger overall.
So what you are saying to me
If i want to really get violative to granger, i build all 3
antique for the win aside from its effect it 1 ups blade armor by its hp amount you get for buying it
Blade Armor for Granger would only be good in early to early-mid game as a 2nd or 3rd item for tanks
However, it's still situational especially since the 1st item for tanks is Dominance Ice
If the enemy team has 2-3 Basic Attack dependent heroes, not including any Magic Damage heroes (except Natan), I would pick Blade Armor as 2nd/3rd item
If there are at least two Physical Damage dependent heroes and just one Basic Attack hero, in this case the Marksman, I will choose Antique Cuirass as 2nd/3rd item
If there are equal amounts of Physical Damage and Basic Attack dealers, I will choose Antique Cuirass first and Blade Armor second because in this case, the other Physical Damage heroes would have their damage reduced, which will help the team and the Basic Attack heroes would have Physical Damage skills that would in turn reduce their Basic Attack damage
Then I would choose Radiant Armor, Athena's Shield, and/or Twilight Armor as last items
That's my thought process at last, as a World Rank/Global Carmilla - 1st item Thunder Belt
Ty I'd like to ask you something now man, while ago I heard hanabi's basic attacks are counted as skill attacks and not basic attacks, i was kinda shocked after hearing it can you make a video about all the exceptions like this so we can understand the game better? As an houner_glory player I'm supposed to know these detail but I feel like there's a lot of them I don't know of
I think you mean 'Attack Effect' instead of 'Skill Attack' 😅. I just tested it out, and it seems the bounce can’t trigger Spell Vamp, Brave Smite, or items like Ice Queen. So yeah, it’s still treated as a Basic Attack but with a lower percentage of attack effect 😁
Hello can you make HP vs physical defense and HP vs Magic defense video, I don't really know what's better to build more HP or more defense as a roamer, and thanks for your efforts ❤
Hey, thanks for your support 😊 As for your request, I’m sorry, but I don’t think I can make it because there are too many factors that can affect which stats are better 😥
As a roamer like Belerick, going for HP would be great since his Passive can increase Hp-Based Items. For Jhonson, going for Phy Defense Items can make his shield tougher, but if his enemies have lots of magic-damage delaer, then Athena's or Radiant Armor will become a better choice 😅
@MLQuickGuide thank you
Here's a vid idea: Does damage reduction from defense stack with dmg reduction from skills and items?
I think I’ve already covered this in one of my previous videos about damage calculation (ruclips.net/video/F-lIt_vFazU/видео.html) 😁, Thanks for the idea though 😊🙏
I usually build both 😅
Take in account the actual defense it gives, once you got % penetration on granger and he started getting the defenses of the dummy closer to the ones with other items, antique quirass pasive started coming into account. It's not about the critical damage reduction since that calculation is also wrong, it's about the amount of defence you have + pasives
Yes, I know exactly what you're thinking because I understand the in-depth analysis of damage calculation in Mobile Legends (you can check out my other video about it). However, I’m worried that if I explain it the way you explained, the video might go over two minutes since I’m aiming to make a quick video. If I were to go deeper, I’d need to break it down further so everyone can understand it. Also, Blade Armor does affect Granger’s last bullet damage. While it’s not a huge amount, we should still take that into account
@@MLQuickGuideok, i understand it from your pov as a content creator and appreciate your work and bringing the community up to light with these videos.
About the in depth research, as you referred to it, i'll try to make it myself since it's harder to explain it rather than obtain the answer to it.
Thank you so much
You're most welcome 😁🙏
I'm suprised that blade armor can win again quiras cuz granger's damage is all from his skill
Maybe it's because of the "Antique" passive triggering, so Granger's first to third bullets won't be fully reduced 😅
@@MLQuickGuidebut why do in full item quiraz can win again blade armor?
@@antidro_XYhigher def stats overall. Remember blade armor has the most def before the nerf. And still is.
That high flat def stat is nice
Just some information for u
But if u play tank/fighter with tank build and the enemy have another burst dmg like enemy have granger and moskov, i test in game and twilight is better
Moskov is DPS not burst
I think blade armor also counters granger bc of its high base physical stat, and i think antique cuirass is way better cuz it reduces all ohysical attack, which could also help if the enemies have a lot of skill based physical heroes
Dw guys granger getting nerf, i have a friend whos leaker and they said hes getting nerf in ult
If it damage it wouldn't effect him too much, but if it nerf about his passive consumption increase then its a great deal, because his dash/blink that what make him hard to kill, because in late game granger almost feel like wan wan with all constant dash/blink move
And this is why moonton balance is so retarted, cuz your right, it's his pace, the cd of skills and basic dmg that's too high
but granger will win the voting, so no nerfs lmao
So, when will be twilight armor util? Even with 4 HP items seems like a waste of gold
It scales with max HP. It becomes useless If you aren't using 10k HP tanks like Hylos, Belerick etc
Your a former top global ruby, right?
Yess 😃
Cant u build both ?
Yes, you can, but if you're up against more mages or magic damage dealers, I think buying Athena's Shield and Radiant Armor, along with choosing between Blade Armor or Antique Cuirass, will be better
kinda missing old granger
yeah its alot better than this spammy bs
@@shijou2867true. Old granger took a brain to play compared to now
Bro is concentrated energy good for lunox?
I’m not entirely sure since I’m not a Lunox main, but it could be good if you’re aiming for more sustain. However, for burst damage, I think there are better item options. You’d also need to activate Concentrated Energy’s passive first to unlock its full potential 😅
It does provide lot of sustain, combining the spell vamp and the regen from 1st skill, you don't have to go to base in late game. Also in her dark form, she gets half of the spell vamp as magic pen which is again a win.
is waraxe good for granger?
Moderate. Sustain granger? Ok. Ass + Pen granger? Nope.
Depends on ur playstyle, but pen still better than some itty-bitty discounted 5% true dmg tbh.
Waraxe is good on him bc he can maintain the stacks so effortlessly. So you essentially are always dealing true dmg.
Ban Anti spiral
What is spiral?
@@studenthigh8120 they are talking about the annoying anti spiral comments that appear in multiple videos, they don't say anything BUT anti spiral, and is annoying because of the fact that they are the first comment to be recommended by yt in videos multiple times.
@@studenthigh8120they appear more in posts from yt from my experience
@@studenthigh8120 to what ive heard, its some cosmic level entity from some anime
Blade armor is not really a good option because it will not reflect the skill 1 and ult